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singhvp said:
The rhetorical references made by the right wing political alchemists of India to the Gujarat saga (some of them happen to be on this site) have started giving a palpable sense of fatigue and nausea. During Nazi dictatorship Germany also made phenomenal progress - both economically and militarily. But at what cost? Democratic rights and civil liberties were crushed with iron hand. A reign of terror, xenophobic massacre, and macabre killing of Jews in Gas Chambers still send a shiver down the spines. Man doesn’t live merely by bread and butter. Dignity is also of paramount importance. Moreover, Spectre of a few highways, electric grids and shopping malls in some metros should not be taken as the only criteria of development. As may be seen in the State Wise Human Development Index of India for 2012, 10 Indian States are still ahead of Gujarat which includes even Haryana. Gujarat might have recorded a phenomenal rise in the fortunes of the billionaire-fraternity having stakes there. But have the benefits of growth really trickled down to the huts in the far-flung hamlets to the extent it should have been? What is the spectre of rural health care, education in rural sector, employment generation in rural areas and the overall improvement in the lives of the marginal farmers and agricultural workers? As I have never been to Gujarat, I am asking these questions for my knowledge, no offence please.

It is, however, only a pity that a country of billions has only two individuals at their disposal who are worthy of becoming the Prime Minister of largest democracy of the world. In my considered opinion there are at least 10-15 members on Jatland who could prove to be better Prime Ministers than the two under comparison. Why this hullaballoo. The topic has become very boring by now. The original poster may like to close it down. Just a suggestion, no offence please.
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VPji, is this not rhetoric ? do you really think Nazi rule in Germany and what has happened in Gujarat in last decade can be compared? Let us not analyze this comparison between apple and orange. I'm not big fan of BJP but Modi has not been convicted for what happened in Godhra ( please done say he has manipulated judiciary)but on the other hand we have congress Mps convicted for 84 sikh riots so can you say the same thing for delhi as well? 'When big tree falls earth shakes' Rajeev gandhi gave this explanation to justify the Sikh pogram. Could you please shade some light on that?

coming to haryana, i can vouch for it that in your own village you dont get power for more than 8 hours and you dont have a direct bus to national capital or a train station where you can take train for big cities n road conditions are pathetic nowdays in haryana as well if leave out Rohtak.

I think out of those 10-15 people here you are at top to lead the nation :)
 
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desijat said:
"Jo Gujrat me hua tha wahi tumhare sath bhi karenge”…Modi's supporters to protestors
http://kafila.org/2013/02/08/bhag-m...st-against-narendra-modi-at-delhi-university/
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Desi, where was this person when there was lathi charge on girls protesting against rape in delhi or when there was lathi charge on Ramdev camp overnight or in on policeowman by congress supporter (in orissa i think) ? It is surprising that it happened in delhi where we have congress govt and in center also we have congress govt then who is at fault, want to think now?

ye to va hogi ki kutte ki lath kisi aur ne mara aake roya mere ghar aagey to galti kiski?
 
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rinkusheoran said:
Desi, where was this person when there was lathi charge on girls protesting against rape in delhi or when there was lathi charge on Ramdev camp overnight or in on policeowman by congress supporter (in orissa i think) ? It is surprising that it happened in delhi where we have congress govt and in center also we have congress govt then who is at fault, want to think now?

ye to va hogi ki kutte ki lath kisi aur ne mara aake roya mere ghar aagey to galti kiski?
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How does it matter? 2 wrongs doesnt make it right, do they?
 
Delhi govt cant do shyt about Delhi's law and order- even if they want to.


The debate is not about what police did or did not do but with what ABVP folks said, is that why they are supporting so that they can repeat Gujarat? Is thay why Modi has not even once shared remorse on Godhra so that he can have such support?

rinkusheoran said:
It is not two wrong dear, it is only one here. Ebb delhi mein bjp govt thodi hai jo two wrong ho gaye.delhi govt should act if something like that happened.Dusre pahlu se bhi scoha kar
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rinkusheoran said:
VPji, is this not rhetoric ? do you really think Nazi rule in Germany and what has happened in Gujarat in last decade can be compared? Let us not analyze this comparison between apple and orange. I'm not big fan of BJP but Modi has not been convicted for what happened in Godhra ( please done say he has manipulated judiciary)but on the other hand we have congress Mps convicted for 84 sikh riots so can you say the same thing for delhi as well?

coming to haryana, i can vouch for it that in your own village you dont get power for more than 8 hours and you dont have a direct bus to national capital or a train station where you can take train for big cities n road conditions are pathetic nowdays in haryana as well if leave out Rohtak.

I think out of those 10-15 people here you are at top to lead the nation :)
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Neither was Hitler ever convicted, neither have any Congress leaders been convicted. So if you want to go with the not guilty untill proven by the courts notion, Modi, Hitler, Bhagat, Sajjan, Tytler all fit in right.
 
swaich said:
Neither was Hitler ever convicted, neither have any Congress leaders been convicted. So if you want to go with the not guilty untill proven by the courts notion, Modi, Hitler, Bhagat, Sajjan, Tytler all fit in right.
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Sajjan is going on court hearing and was convicted in lower court and was asked not to fight election. Do you really think you can compare Nazi rule in Germany with gujrat of last decade??
 
rinkusheoran said:
Sajjan is going on court hearing and was convicted in lower court and was asked not to fight election. Do you really think you can compare Nazi rule in Germany with gujrat of last decade??
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Yes, similar signs.

A demi-god
Polarized society
Apparent economic rise
Mass Hysteria
State-sanctioned violence
Lack of Kalinga effect (as explained by KPS Gill)
 
desijat said:
Tytler has been given a clean chit to my knowledge though is not contesting elections
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Yes you are right and I didnt say he is convicted , he only got highlighted in bold and his not contesting election is another topic that can be discussed in details. Off topic:-there was controversy sometime back while preparing a list of candidate of election he mentioned caste and religion against the candidates and congress being a secular never does so :P :D controversy ye nhi thi ki ussne mention kia lekin vo media k hath aa gia thi :)
 
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swaich said:
Yes, similar signs.

A demi-god
Polarized society
Apparent economic rise
Mass Hysteria
State-sanctioned violence
Lack of Kalinga effect (as explained by KPS Gill)
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similar and same are exactly not same things. There is different view as well to this and he is elected third time in a row so it means people are happy the way he is working from same point where we say for Gandhi family.As far as i have met people from Gujrat both Muslim and Hindu.Both community have voted for BJP and you can force anyone to vote and we have ecletion commission as well so i dont know what is your point here. I myself dont see polarized society and neither i'm gone believe it if same is written by paid media in their new articles. Any party other than congress is yet to do mastery in politics of minority. BJP is yet to learn it fully otherwise they would never gone out of power.Mass hysteria and sycophancy it very much prevalent in congress instead in BJP . this can be said for Rahul Gandhi where people in rule are afraid as they might lose their managerial position if they go against him and i think you are part of this mass and you are not hysterical about it.The terminology that you have used are created by the same media who is projecting him the BJP candidate for PM. This is quite amusing that we believe it when media say it was state sanctioned violence but when same media say he could be PM we say it is his PR machinery ?
 
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This is the first time I fully watched the whole speech by Modi, I have watched few min videos earlier in bits and pieces but never a full speech. I find it really impressive and motivating. The passion he shows for Gujarat( mera gujarat) is worth appreciating. I wish we had any leader like that in Haryana who can say mera Haryana with such passion all we got is either mera Rohtak, mera Hissar or mera Sirsa and that also they say from the point of votebank. He spoke without reading from any paper, point to be noted he talk about skill development, improving productivity and marketing products. We hear about all these things discussed and debated by politician in West but this is the first time I see any Indian politician speaking with a vision what is required to make us prosperous.
I dont know the figures he was quoting are true or not but if he has increased the no of univ. from 11 to 44 in last decade thats 4 time increase when se compare it with haryana we only have ku, hau, gju, rohtak univ and sirsa univ( ginati ki panch) since haryana was created. He talked about constructing 6 lakh chak bandh and improving water table while in our village I always hear pani 10-15 hath niche chala jata hai har saal.
All in all a very impressive.
 
rinkusheoran said:
similar and same are exactly not same things. There is different view as well to this and he is elected third time in a row so it means people are happy the way he is working from same point where we say for Gandhi family.As far as i have met people from Gujrat both Muslim and Hindu.Both community have voted for BJP and you can force anyone to vote and we have ecletion commission as well so i dont know what is your point here. I myself dont see polarized society and neither i'm gone believe it if same is written by paid media in their new articles. Any party other than congress is yet to do mastery in politics of minority. BJP is yet to learn it fully otherwise they would never gone out of power.Mass hysteria and sycophancy it very much prevalent in congress instead in BJP . this can be said for Rahul Gandhi where people in rule are afraid as they might lose their managerial position if they go against him and i think you are part of this mass and you are not hysterical about it.The terminology that you have used are created by the same media who is projecting him the BJP candidate for PM. This is quite amusing that we believe it when media say it was state sanctioned violence but when same media say he could be PM we say it is his PR machinery ?
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Going by your remark, which mass am I a part of ? Didnt understand that. Please elaborate.

And I also dont understand how media is biased. Which media is this? English, Hindi, regional, print, TV, internet? I see them all as equally over hyping or condemning Modi.

Like you, I too base my views on Modi on Gujarati I have met and interacted. And I read from various sources, like you do. How to interpret these interactions or readings, is based on our own individual understanding and deep lying values. And that's where we diverge.

Agreed, BJP hasnt mastered minority votebanks but they have mastered the minority within the majority votebank. Let me see if you can decipher that.
 
swaich said:
Going by your remark, which mass am I a part of ? Didnt understand that. Please elaborate.

And I also dont understand how media is biased. Which media is this? English, Hindi, regional, print, TV, internet? I see them all as equally over hyping or condemning Modi.

Like you, I too base my views on Modi on Gujarati I have met and interacted. And I read from various sources, like you do. How to interpret these interactions or readings, is based on our own individual understanding and deep lying values. And that's where we diverge.

Agreed, BJP hasnt mastered minority votebanks but they have mastered the minority within the majority votebank. Let me see if you can decipher that.
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You talked about mass hysteria , are you not part of this same mass? i never said media is biased instead i said same media call him mass murderer and same media hype(for some it is his PR machinery) him which you have already mentioned so why only accept one part of that? why media question him only 2002 but no questions to Sonia/Rahul on Assam/ or 84 sikh riots riots? Why no questions to rahul/sonia for corruption or crime ?why no questions to people who enjoy power without responsibility? Power without responsibility is very dangerous dear. N i dont see any minority within majority which might be again created by plethora of journalist that we have who just writes for TRP or without facts.
 
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