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[desijat]

Why do you take things personal, is modi your relative? Or because you have no meat to give on your arguments? This just reflects that how weak of a character you are. This is neither my forte, nor my taste, good luck.

ya waa e se... kittna e chhet lyo fer bhi nyu kehvagi, ak dedh ke beej eeb ke haath laa ke dekh....hahahaha

 

[vicky84]

BJP has a habbit of running away from facts. I believe Mr. Katju has presented strong facts here and they should be countered with facts as a reply, not usual cheap words

http://justicekatju.blogspot.com/

Some excerpts

Today, 48% Guajarati children are malnourished, which is a higher rate of malnourishment than the national average. In Gujarat there is high infant mortality rate, high women's maternity death rate, and 57% poverty rate in tribal areas.
More than a third of adult men in Gujarat have a body mass index of less than 18.5 – the 7th worst in the country.


Echoing the same question in the blog, business leaders no doubt claim that Modi has created a business friendly environment in Gujarat, but are businessmen the only people in India?

It's very tough to measure on this parameter specially when people are vegetarian(Lack of protiens and Vitamins is very common when adequate amount of food is not consumed.)It also depends upon dietary practices. Even people who are rich might be malnourished because of poor dietary practices. An unbalanced diet leads to malnutrition. So malnourishment depends upon a lot of factors.

 

[desijat]

It's very tough to measure on this parameter specially when people are vegetarian(Lack of protiens and Vitamins is very common when adequate amount of food is not consumed.)It also depends upon dietary practices. Even people who are rich might be malnourished because of poor dietary practices. An unbalanced diet leads to malnutrition. So malnourishment depends upon a lot of factors.

You are replying like Modi did, and am sorry to say it sounds very absurd. By your logic Japan with low meat consumption should have had most malnutrition children but instead they have the highest life expectancies.

I am a vegetarian, so are most of hindus, just being vegetarian does not mean you are bound to be malnutrition. The same standard can be applied to rest of the India as well, Gujarat's figures outshines national average and is leaps and bounds ahead of poor countries like Ethiopia and Somalia. Even states like Rajasthan(dry), UP(mass populated), Jharkhand fair much better than Gujarat on these statistics.

 

[vicky84]

You are replying like Modi did, and am sorry to say it sounds very absurd. By your logic Japan with low meat consumption should have had most malnutrition children but instead they have the highest life expectancies.

I am a vegetarian, so are most of hindus, just being vegetarian does not mean you are bound to be malnutrition. The same standard can be applied to rest of the India as well, Gujarat's figures outshines national average and is leaps and bounds ahead of poor countries like Ethiopia and Somalia. Even states like Rajasthan(dry), UP(mass populated), Jharkhand fair much better than Gujarat on these statistics.

First of all Japnese are not vegetarian. They consume meat as well as sea food(Both are good source of protien when consumed). In my previous post, I mentioned about adequate amounts. Meat has more protein than lentials per 100 gms. For example, 100 gms cooked lentils give you 9 grams of protien. Whereas you get 36 grams of protien from 100 grams of red meat. Similary see food(e.g Tuna Fish) is a rich source of protien(Comparing with lentils per 100 grams).

Since we all know lentils and pulses are main source of diet in India. So in order to get 36 grams of protien one has to consume 400 grams of lentils per serving. So one has to consume about half a kilo of lentis to get that much protein.

As I said earlier, it all depends upon culture and dietry practices. A family which is well off may suffer from malnutrition if poor dietry practices are followed.

Thats is why it depends upon a lot of factors. It's not that easy to measure of these parameters.

 

[desijat]

Thats is why it depends upon a lot of factors. It's not that easy to measure of these parameters.

But the parameter is same for other states across India as well, no?

 

[vicky84]

But the parameter is same for other states across India as well, no?

Desi read this blog. How deceiving this figures could be:

Economics Journal: Is India as Malnourished as Data Suggest?

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/...nal-is-india-as-malnourished-as-data-suggest/

Excerpt:

Arvind Panagariya, a professor of public and international affairs at Columbia University and well-known India commentator, has questioned accepting the results of such studies at face value. Mr. Panagariya told India Real Time the reasons for his skepticism of the conventional narrative. According to him, in the state of Kerala, which exhibits social indicators close to developed country standards and almost as high as China’s, 25% of children are apparently stunted, whereas in, for example, Senegal, which is much poorer and fares worse in just about any social indicator, the figure is 20%. Likewise, he asks, how plausible is it that 37% of children in Punjab, “the breadbasket and the dairy of India,” are stunted?

 

[desijat]

Desi read this blog. How deceiving this figures could be:

Economics Journal: Is India as Malnourished as Data Suggest?

I read the entire note, and I myself agree that studies can be deceiving when carried by different agencies, on that hypothesis I am setting aside the comparison with Ethiopia and Somalia.

But planning commission has been doing this over the years and same standards are applied throughout all the states. According their studies Gujarat is 4th worst state where Children are malnourished, their report bounds to have some consistency and correctness of data, more-so when the data is actually supplied by state govts.

 

[vicky84]

I read the entire note, and I myself agree that studies can be deceiving when carried by different agencies, on that hypothesis I am setting aside the comparison with Ethiopia and Somalia.

But planning commission has been doing this over the years and same standards are applied throughout all the states. According their studies Gujarat is 4th worst state where Children are malnourished, their report bounds to have some consistency and correctness of data, more-so when the data is actually supplied by state govts.

Desi,

I agree that there is some truth in these reports. No complete denial at . Having said that, I also blame poor implementation of government schemes. Central Government control a lot of business. Public Distribution System has a lot of leakage. Rampant corruption and too centralised schmes have caused this problem. I blame congress for this because Congress has been in power for a long time than any other party(About 90 Percent).

Congress screwed up the country, first by socialist policies and now with rampant corruption.

Also read this:

http://www.economist.com/node/17090948

Even the children of wealthier families suffer surprisingly high rates of malnutrition. Government data show that a third of children from the wealthiest fifth of India's population are malnourished. This is because poor feeding practices—foremost among them a failure exclusively to breastfeed in the first six months—play as big a role in India's malnutrition rates as food shortages. Here lies an opportunity: educating parents about how to feed their children should be more quickly achieved than ensuring that the 410m Indians who live below the UN's estimated poverty line of $1.25 a day have enough to eat.

 

[desijat]

But Atish again the same point, Center makes policy for all the states uniformly and this is same point of comparison. You think if thr would have been any disparity Modi and his brigade would have been quite?

More so stuff like Mid Day Meals, Ration etc comes under state govt. preview.

 

[desijat]

What Makes Modi Unacceptable

A Brilliant note in Outlook, and this is not paid media:

An interesting debate raging across opinion columns in Indian newspapers is whether the Gujarat model—or the ‘Modi miracle’—is real or not. Many critics charge chief minister Narendra Modi with exaggerating the extent of Gujarat’s development and argue that, in reality, its growth rates are similar to other economically advanced states like Maharashtra. Further, they point out that Gujarat has benefited from historical advantages—an entrepreneurial class; relatively good infrastructure; and an extensive coastline—and would have grown irrespective of whether Modi was at the helm or not. Lionized by a deviously clever PR machine and an invidious personality cult, Modi has succeeded in fashioning himself as the face of vibrant Gujarat.

Modi supporters, an impassioned and argumentative lot, opine that India's economic growth is almost inextricably linked to Modi’s journey from Gandhinagar to New Delhi. Modi would, in a few decisive strokes, end the massive corruption and endemic sloth which characterises the UPA government. They also accuse his critics of bias, claiming that their views are coloured by the 2002 Gujarat riots. They do have a point. For two reasons.

First, it is absolutely true that the majority of Modi critics are biased. They are busy unpacking the Modi model not out of a genuine curiosity to understand what really works in Gujarat (and what doesn’t) but because they have watched with rising alarm how the wily chief minister has metamorphosed into a development icon. Like the cleverest war generals, they pick holes in Modi’s major selling point—Gujarat’s development story—to show that at best he is a pedestrian chief minister with some minor redeeming qualities. So Modi may have built roads, but has it benefited that last tribal in Dang? It is an impossible standard which frankly no leader can meet.

Second, no other politician has received the same degree of scrutiny Modi has. For instance, Bihar’s chief minister Nitish Kumar—beloved of some of Modi’s most ardent critics—has largely flown under the radar with multiple laudatory stories in the national media and minimum scrutiny. So why would Modi receive so much more critical attention than Nitish Kumar who has hardly been shy about the miracle he has apparently wrought in Bihar? There you have it. And if after 50 years of nearly uninterrupted Congress rule, India remains one of the world’s poorest countries, what does it say about its aam aadmi credentials? If mediocrity is acceptable from everyone else, why is perfection demanded only from Modi? Note:Agreed, but read ahead

This is not to say Modi hasn’t embellished the Gujarat story or his own role in it. But that is hardly a strike against him. Which politician after all behaves any differently?

So let’s stop this rather silly nitpicking and concentrate on what really matters: The riots of 2002 and Narendra Modi’s role in it. It is true that the Gujarat strongman has not been convicted in a court of law and it is possible that he may entirely escape legal punishment. But it is equally true that 2002 represented a massive administrative and moral failure. Modi’s subsequent actions—whether his inability to apply a healing touch or his attempts to protect the likes of Maya Kodnani—reveal a troubling lack of basic humanism and moral scruples.

The strongest argument against Modi is not the intricacies of the Gujarat model but that he is seen as the face of 2002 riots. He is viewed as emblematic of India’s unfair treatment of its minorities; a thin veneer of secularism hiding an ugly face of Hindu majoritarianism.

Now, it would be unfair to blame Modi entirely for this troubling state of affairs. Indian secularism often thrives on promoting fear rather than hope but make no mistake about it: There is a real danger of Muslim dissatisfaction with the Indian democracy and Modi’s accession would only further exacerbate it. And it is this environment of grievance and scepticism which promotes the rise of sectarian Muslim parties like the Assam United Democratic Front and Peace Party perhaps reaching its apogee in Akbaruddin Owaisi's alleged hate speech at Nirmal. The findings of the Sachar Committee—disputed as they may be—lend a certain empirical credibility to cries of pervasive discrimination. The average Indian Muslim may oppose some of Owaisi’s more vitriolic comments but would agree enthusiastically with his litany of complaints against the Indian state. Fairly or unfairly, Modi represents the worst of India—its broken promises and its failures, both real and imagined—to the Indian Muslim. With hardened positions on both sides, that perception is almost impossible to change. In that sense, Modi props up both Hindu as well as Muslim communalism—a dangerous and combustible mixture which is sadly ignored by some of his more enthusiastic supporters. India can ill-afford another Muslim League which locates its redemption not in her mainstream parties but in exclusivist and chauvinistic religious formations.

In a multi-ethnic/religious country like India, no leader can perhaps command the support of all communities but he must not attract the implacable hostility of India’s largest minority. For instance, former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee may not have enjoyed widespread support among Muslims but was not treated as an enemy either. Call it what you will, but it is this ‘Muslim veto’ which makes Modi unacceptable as India’s next leader. This may disappoint those who place their faith unflinchingly in the power of the individual. But as Pratap Bhanu Mehta has argued, even some of the founding fathers agreed that any concept of citizenship which distances itself completely from religious identity would be untenable in India. Communitarianism is a sociological reality in India and while there is always the danger of it degenerating into narrow sectarianism, its political effects simply cannot be ignored.

Whether it makes Modi unelectable as NDA/BJP’s putative leader is another story. Nevertheless, India can survive poor governance for the next few years but what it cannot survive is the further estrangement of its Muslim minority. Even if the promise of a high Modi-led growth is accepted at its face value, it is simply not worth risking the fraying of India’s multiple fault lines.

 

[vicky84]

But Atish again the same point, Center makes policy for all the states uniformly and this is same point of comparison. You think if thr would have been any disparity Modi and his brigade would have been quite?

More so stuff like Mid Day Meals, Ration etc comes under state govt. preview.

Desi,

It is a grey area, how these paramters applied and work. It depends upon lot of factors. Infact Government schemes do not fullfill the dietary requirements.

For example, Excerpt from above link:

The two meals served at Vishal's anganwadi—a plate of puffed rice dotted with a few nuts and a serving of sprouted moong dal—seem unlikely to give him 500 calories.

If adequate amount of food is not consumed(Specially in vegetarian diet), chances of malnutrition are higher.

So there are many factors which may contribute to this.

 

[vicky84]

The riots of 2002 and Narendra Modi’s role in it.

Desi,

It is not good to jump to conclusions like this. Nothing concrete has been proved against Modi yet. Let the law of country and courts decide.We should respect our judiciary.

 

[desijat]

But moral responsibility? Like we(me as well) hold Congress responsible for 1984 why cant we hold Modi administration responsible? While courts are assessing the case there have been several instances like sting operations that have strongly hinted ad Modi's role.

Besides, Modi has not even shared a remorse over the riots, is that what an administrator is supposed to do?

Desi,

It is not good to jump to conclusions like this. Nothing concrete has been proved against Modi yet. Let the law of country and courts decide.We should respect our judiciary.

 

[ssgoyat]

nyu he handta rahiye jindagi bhar seengh aljhata hadkai beerbani dhaal.

Why do you take things personal, is modi your relative? Or because you have no meat to give on your arguments? This just reflects that how weak of a character you are. This is neither my forte, nor my taste, good luck.

aur tanne me 'desijat' te 'botrujat' ise baat khattar to kahya karu....ke baat ki ke bana de se (coz modi ka to kittne naam/jikra bhi na kiya manne 'eeb tak' kitte bhi.. 'kisse bhi post me'...arr na manne kade gujarat/modi ko badhiya bataya, ya avval kaha, ya bihar etc ko bimaru kaha)
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me to teri tarkshakti (thought-process/analytical skills) ka kayal hu.... kimme ho bhaandta reh se... khaamkha roj apni kutti:topsy_turvy: karvaye reh se... tadke te saanjh ..

 

[desijat]

ke baat ki ke bana de se (coz modi ka to kittne naam/jikra bhi na kiya manne 'eeb tak' kitte bhi.. 'kisse bhi post me'...arr na manne kade gujarat/modi ko badhiya bataya, ya avval kaha, ya bihar etc ko bimaru kaha)
...

to is thread pe kyu bhinak ra hai? kise aur ne dhundh le aljhan ku bina baat ke, bhatere hai teri dhaal ke.

 

[ssgoyat]

to is thread pe kyu bhinak ra hai? kise aur ne dhundh le aljhan ku bina baat ke, bhatere hai teri dhaal ke.

aur thread chalau eeb nayi.... ak 'jat ho to botrujat jaisa'.... hude teri bakwaad posts ne copy karke gerta rahu... arr fer hude quote karke reply karu?

mere dhaal ke baaki bhi tere dhaal alyan ne toh ke suvaad liya karein ;-)... tu suvaad dei jaya karr... ji sa laagya reh se 'mere dhaal' alya ka bhi..kise aur ne kyun dhundhna...

 

[sivach]

ye bahut hi derogatory remark hai mahilao ke uppar.

nyu he handta rahiye jindagi bhar seengh aljhata hadkai beerbani dhaal.

Why do you take things personal, is modi your relative? Or because you have no meat to give on your arguments? This just reflects that how weak of a character you are. This is neither my forte, nor my taste, good luck.

 

[sunnytewatia]

yes, agree. In order to please his congress' bosses he can go to any level.

ye bahut hi derogatory remark hai mahilao ke uppar.

 

[desijat]

Sivach bhai,

I am not even going to defend it, yes it is derogatory for me to compare woman with such menaces and I will correct it(or any other) if any member finds my any remark objectionable for a logic.

But, is that the ONLY derogatory remark you find on this entire thread? Please do answer.

Thanks!

ye bahut hi derogatory remark hai mahilao ke uppar.

 

[sivach]

Vikas bhai,

mujhe jo theek nahi laga usko pointout kar diya ab ye aap par hai ki aap usko kis tarah se lete ho.

rahi baat auro ke comments ki to mera manna hai yahan har member apne ya uski party ke uapr kiye gaye comments ka jawab dene me kaabil hai aur fir koi naa maane to moderators ko report kar sakta hai uski.

Sivach bhai,

I am not even going to defend it, yes it is derogatory for me to compare woman with such menaces and I will correct it(or any other) if any member finds my any remark objectionable for a logic.

But, is that the ONLY derogatory remark you find on this entire thread? Please do answer.

Thanks!