Congress: Greatest Threat to Hindu Religion and India

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cooljat said:
You talk like fellow Kashmiris who always whine about the so called atrocities by Army but they forget what they actually have done to Kashmiri Pandits. You know what pseudo-intellects and human right activists are bigger threat to nation than terrorists.

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Nope, the dishonest, corrupt and greedy officers/indians are a bigger threat.

Many in the establishment do not serve the nation but themselves and their masters. These officers make money and torture people for "fun" in the name of national security. At the behest of politicians, corporate house and individuals they tape and provide personal communications/information, all in the name of surveillance.
 
swaich said:
That's your iron fist in action.
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That was Brutal Jaspreet and not justified, but the fact remains such strictness got Punjab back on track and made it peaceful and if Kashmir has to be solved we will need such controlled measures, however Kashmir is much more complex than Punjab was due to interests generated by other countries(China, US) as well.
 
Arvindc said:
Nope, the dishonest, corrupt and greedy officers/indians are a bigger threat.

Many in the establishment do not serve the nation but themselves and their masters. These officers make money and torture people for "fun" in the name of national security. At the behest of politicians, corporate house and individuals they tape and provide personal communications/information, all in the name of surveillance.
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A Kashmiri friend often told me about corruption in Army in Kashmir and their rule. He often said he wishes for RTIs on army in Kashmir on every tender they give, the corruption there would put a lot of our scams to shame.
 
desijat said:
A Kashmiri friend often told me about corruption in Army in Kashmir and their rule. He often said he wishes for RTIs on army in Kashmir on every tender they give, the corruption there would put a lot of our scams to shame.
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Bhai tune apne dost ki baat sachi man li n ho bhi sakta hai ye sach ho lekin bhai tu saluram n rajpal ji har baat k piche karana mangta hai usse nhi pucha :) n do you really think that army should come under RTI? what are your thoughts on that ?
 
cooljat said:
You talk like fellow Kashmiris who always whine about the so called atrocities by Army but they forget what they actually have done to Kashmiri Pandits. You know what pseudo-intellects and human right activists are bigger threat to nation than terrorists.

If you believe it's not possible then why do we have army at first place .. what is the use of it, why we waste so much money and sacrifice precious lives of our soldiers?

Interesting satire - http://dashamlav.com/1624
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You know, I wish I could hold an online tutorial for you in defense and internal security.

Army is for security from external elements, not internal. Police and paramilitary are for internal security. Now wonder why we had to use Army for internal security in Punjab, Kashmir and NE? Because the govt's ineptness let situation go out of hand to such an extent over the course of decades that police and paramilitary could not handle it.

How would you feel, if the army you so lovingly watch on 26 Jan parade marches onto your homes, ransacks it and in some cases rapes the women? And is this fair to the army itself who was trained to fight a conventional war and not Counter-insurgency (COIN) operations?

Kashmiri Pandits migration from Kashmir has many shades to it which your perhaps don't even realize reading the sources you do. Read this account by a Kashmiri Pandit. [h=1]Footprints on a Timeline: Gayatri Ugra[/h]All this will feel like pseudo-intellectualism until you experience it or observe it from close quarters. Untill then keep wishing for an iron fist and just hope it doesnt land somewhere close to you.
 
desijat said:
That was Brutal Jaspreet and not justified, but the fact remains such strictness got Punjab back on track and made it peaceful and if Kashmir has to be solved we will need such controlled measures, however Kashmir is much more complex than Punjab was due to interests generated by other countries(China, US) as well.
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Punjab is normal to the outsider. Those brutal measures alienated a vast section of population. This alienation doesn't manifest itself in terrorism or a return to violence, as Punjabis are much more practical and realistic. But it manifests itself in other ways that are latent and hard to see for an outsider. That is why there was mass anger in a Rajoana case and people came out on the streets. When Beant Singh's (one of the assassins of IG) son stood for elections in Bathinda, old women folks would shower him with 'shagan' in the villages.

About Kashmir, these controlled measures havent helped, have they? True the number of active militants in Kashmir have declined. But does an ordinary Kashmiri feels like an Indian today? No. So what use is forced peace, when the population doesnt wish to be with you?

And these controlled measures have had other effects via incidents in other parts of the country. So in essence, terrorism has spilled out from Kashmir into other parts of the country. 25 years ago, when the militancy started in Kashmir, all incidents were restrained to Kashmir Valley. Delhi hardly saw any bomb blasts. Now Delhi is periodically on the terror radar and moreover so are other metros. So have those controlled measures made India safer overall?

The simple fact is that, the state can't use 'You kill 1, we will torture, harass, rape, murder 100' against its own people to tackle terrorism. If it does, there is no difference between the state and the terrorist.
 
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Bhai insan insan ki baat ka bhi farak hota hai, tu manta hai Saluram ar Rajpal ji ki ar baat ko andh bhakt ki dhaal? sachi bataiye

And I reiterated his views, never said I endorse them, you are simply assuming it.

rinkusheoran said:
Bhai tune apne dost ki baat sachi man li n ho bhi sakta hai ye sach ho lekin bhai tu saluram n rajpal ji har baat k piche karana mangta hai usse nhi pucha :) n do you really think that army should come under RTI? what are your thoughts on that ?
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OK......now enlighten us by telling the solution please.....

swaich said:
Punjab is normal to the outsider. Those brutal measures alienated a vast section of population. This alienation doesn't manifest itself in terrorism or a return to violence, as Punjabis are much more practical and realistic. But it manifests itself in other ways that are latent and hard to see for an outsider. That is why there was mass anger in a Rajoana case and people came out on the streets. When Beant Singh's (one of the assassins of IG) son stood for elections in Bathinda, old women folks would shower him with 'shagan' in the villages.

About Kashmir, these controlled measures havent helped, have they? True the number of active militants in Kashmir have declined. But does an ordinary Kashmiri feels like an Indian today? No. So what use is forced peace, when the population doesnt wish to be with you?

And these controlled measures have had other effects via incidents in other parts of the country. So in essence, terrorism has spilled out from Kashmir into other parts of the country. 25 years ago, when the militancy started in Kashmir, all incidents were restrained to Kashmir Valley. Delhi hardly saw any bomb blasts. Now Delhi is periodically on the terror radar and moreover so are other metros. So have those controlled measures made India safer overall?

The simple fact is that, the state can't use 'You kill 1, we will torture, harass, rape, murder 100' against its own people to tackle terrorism. If it does, there is no difference between the state and the terrorist.
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vikda said:
OK......now enlighten us by telling the solution please.....
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The first and foremost step towards a solution would be to make the executive, police and judicial arms free of political influence. Police and administration, even when it wants to be impartial are forced to take sides by the politicians. This happens everywhere in India. The ruling party bends the police and administration to its whims and the common man suffers. Kashmir saw rigged elections, many times. The last in late 80s, which was the final spur for militancy. Indira looked the other way when Bhindrawala and his men openly brandished unlicensed firearms as she was using him to cut Akali base in Punjab. Take the Naxal issue. Corrupt forest, mining, industry officials collude with local sarpanches and businessmen to siphon off timber and minerals, leaving the tribals and lower castes poor. Because the political leaders are upper classes and non tribals, they don't care and participate in this exploitation. The riots in 1984, 92, 2002 are other sagas on political influence colluding with rioters. I read an article by an ex-professor of the IAS training academy who recounted how IAS trainees had distributed sweets and congratulated each other on the destruction of the Babri Masjid. And these are the people who are supposed to take over the reigns of governance and act impartially.

What this also leads to is a total erosion of faith in the administration. When the people who are supposed to guard your safety can collude and exploit you, who do you trust?

Second would be to not treat every issue as a law and order problem. Every militancy related problem starts out as a social or religious problem. But the govt. wakes up far too late and mostly its first knee jerk reaction is to use force. In 1966, two decades after we attained independence, the IAF bombed Aizawal because the state had seen an uprising. Imagine bombing civilians of your own country. Simply put, if we are using the armed forces - army, air force, against our own people, we have failed already and the problem is damaged irrevocably if not beyond solution.
 
desijat said:
Bhai insan insan ki baat ka bhi farak hota hai, tu manta hai Saluram ar Rajpal ji ki ar baat ko andh bhakt ki dhaal? sachi bataiye

And I reiterated his views, never said I endorse them, you are simply assuming it.
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Insaan insaan ka fark hota hai ye to tune bilkul.thik kaha....tabhi to teri baato ko koi like tak ni karta
 
If most likes are criterions of someone being right, why are you so anti-congress which has been liked by majority of India for over 50 years in India that it votes it back to rule?

Waha to na tikta tu apne bhashan pe?


cutejaatsandeep said:
Insaan insaan ka fark hota hai ye to tune bilkul.thik kaha....tabhi to teri baato ko koi like tak ni karta
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desijat said:
If most likes are criterions of someone being right, why are you so anti-congress which has been liked by majority of India for over 50 years in India that it votes it back to rule?

Waha to na tikta tu apne bhashan pe?
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Dear Akhil Bhai,
It is not better point to any relegion, All the Anti National Forces are anti relegion whether they are Hindu,Muslim or Sikh, and do not expect any good from Kasmiri Hindu also, separate Kasmir movement was initially started by Kasmiri Hindus and supported by Congress man Mr.Nehru , He objected the Sardar Patel handling Kashmir. We should not blame Muslim for all that.
Take current example of banning Khap by SC & Congress over the issue of marriage in same Gotra. Except JATS where are the other Hindu , why are they not putting their views and support the Khap on the issue.
Where are Hindu Relegion Head now ?
Issue is that Hindu are so selfish and dominated by media and they have forgotten their relegion basics. Why JATS are alone in fighting the Court & congress over the issue of banning marriage in same gotra. It is more matter of Hindu relegion . Have you seen any Hindu relegeious leader supporting us?

Regards
Krishan Lakra
 
ravinderjeet said:
इसमे मिजोरिटी कहाँ हे ????????????
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To bhaisab, Jatland ke 3000 member bhi lagao, unme se 4-5 is sandeep aur un jaiso ki post like karte hai, wo kaam hai, you like my post I like yours blindly.... wo majority kaha se hui? Maine to uski us like wali baat ka jawab dia tha.
 
mere khayal se tu is thread ki post no 611 ki baat kar rhya hai jo sandeep ne likhi hai... ek bar fir se padh le... or is bar dhayan se padhiyo... jahan tak mugjhe padhne mai aay, mugjhe lag ruha hai usne ye likha hai ki "teri post kisi ko pasand nahi aati" na ki ye ki uski post 4-5 logon ko pasand aati hai... or dono baato mai bahot farak hai...

khair teri samajh mai ye baat bhi mushkil te aavegi manne is baat ka pakka yakeen hai...

desijat said:
To bhaisab, Jatland ke 3000 member bhi lagao, unme se 4-5 is sandeep aur un jaiso ki post like karte hai, wo kaam hai, you like my post I like yours blindly.... wo majority kaha se hui? Maine to uski us like wali baat ka jawab dia tha.
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