It was not an attack but I doubted by seeing all the posts from Desijaat.... What is our major concern here the loss of life and esteem of our brothers or the concern is Narendra Modi ... Why to drag him and take the discussion to political terms only. SP is in power in UP and Congress in India so they both are accountable. If they think that there is any hand of BJP members sue them arrest them confiscate them and book them. They are not powerful than state & union govt. Just to malign the image people keep blabbering BJP...BJP . But I know it is still hard to make everyone understand. For ex, the gathering which happened in Khala par on 30th witnessed all the muslim leaders across the party lines together on stage and giving sermons . But when a mahapanchayat called on 7th was there anyone from SP/BSP/Congress/RLD ... it was only BJP even if people say for political gains.
Communal Tension in Muzaffarnagar, Shamli of west UP
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It was not an attack but I doubted by seeing all the posts from Desijaat.... What is our major concern here the loss of life and esteem of our brothers or the concern is Narendra Modi ... Why to drag him and take the discussion to political terms only. SP is in power in UP and Congress in India so they both are accountable. If they think that there is any hand of BJP members sue them arrest them confiscate them and book them. They are not powerful than state & union govt. Just to malign the image people keep blabbering BJP...BJP . But I know it is still hard to make everyone understand. For ex, the gathering which happened in Khala par on 30th witnessed all the muslim leaders across the party lines together on stage and giving sermons . But when a mahapanchayat called on 7th was there anyone from SP/BSP/Congress/RLD ... it was only BJP even if people say for political gains.
The power vests in the people - not the government or the govt. books.
We as a community need to realize this.
Can anybody throw light on how many MLA and MP seats are there in UP which can be directly/indirectly influenced by Jat votes? Let us ensure that these pseudo-secularist do not come to power again.
I would also at the same time not support the idea of Jat girls not going to schools/colleges because of fear of these mullahs or the farmers not being able to work on their fields. Let them not PUT US IN A CORNER. It should have been the other way round. Our children should be free to move around where they like and when they like without any fear. Anybody even harbouring any evil designs/thoughts against Jats should attract such harsh and swift punishment that others will reform for generations to come.
Peaceful economic sanctions is the most powerful tool. A social and economic boycott of them will not only bring them to their knees but also make them look for other pastures (places to migrate). Entire countries have been brought down to their knees by economic sanctions whereas these are just a rag tag of uneducated and violent people with a criminal bent of mind.
Also may God endow those Jats with sense and self-respect (and respect for the community) who gave shelter to these people in their houses. I am not saying that these people should have been killed. But they should have been made to leave when they were leaving of their own free will. These examples give credence to what is generally said - Jat hee Jat ka dushman hae!
We as a community need to realize this.
Can anybody throw light on how many MLA and MP seats are there in UP which can be directly/indirectly influenced by Jat votes? Let us ensure that these pseudo-secularist do not come to power again.
I would also at the same time not support the idea of Jat girls not going to schools/colleges because of fear of these mullahs or the farmers not being able to work on their fields. Let them not PUT US IN A CORNER. It should have been the other way round. Our children should be free to move around where they like and when they like without any fear. Anybody even harbouring any evil designs/thoughts against Jats should attract such harsh and swift punishment that others will reform for generations to come.
Peaceful economic sanctions is the most powerful tool. A social and economic boycott of them will not only bring them to their knees but also make them look for other pastures (places to migrate). Entire countries have been brought down to their knees by economic sanctions whereas these are just a rag tag of uneducated and violent people with a criminal bent of mind.
Also may God endow those Jats with sense and self-respect (and respect for the community) who gave shelter to these people in their houses. I am not saying that these people should have been killed. But they should have been made to leave when they were leaving of their own free will. These examples give credence to what is generally said - Jat hee Jat ka dushman hae!
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sandeepsirohi
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मुजफ्फरनगर [जागरण कार्यालय]। भले ही पुलिस-प्रशासन जनपद में पूर्ण शांति के दावे कर रहा हो, लेकिन देहात में अब भी खौफ बरकरार है। फायरिंग के भय से किसान खेतों में नहीं जा पा रहे। कई गांवों के जंगलों में किसानों पर फायरिंग हो चुकी है। काली ड्रेस धारी एक दर्जन युवक देहात के इलाकों में दहशत का सबब बने हुए हैं।
देहात के कई हिस्सों में अभी भी तनाव और दहशत के हालात हैं। इसकी एक प्रमुख वजह जंगल [खेत] में आए दिन किसानों पर हो रहे हमले व फायरिंग है। फुगाना, सोंटा, पचेंडा, बडोड़ी व जानसठ समेत कई स्थानों पर जंगलों में किसानों पर फायरिंग हो चुकी है। गोली लगने से कई किसान गंभीर रूप से घायल हो चुके हैं। इस तरह की घटनाओं से किसान दहशत में हैं। वे फसलें सूखती देख भी जंगल में जाने की हिम्मत नहीं जुटा पा रहे। कुछ बाहरी बस्तियों में भी आए दिन फायरिंग की वारदातें सामने आ रही हैं।
http://www.jagran.com/news/national-muzaffarnagar-riots-miscreants-fire-at-farmers-10733885.html
देहात के कई हिस्सों में अभी भी तनाव और दहशत के हालात हैं। इसकी एक प्रमुख वजह जंगल [खेत] में आए दिन किसानों पर हो रहे हमले व फायरिंग है। फुगाना, सोंटा, पचेंडा, बडोड़ी व जानसठ समेत कई स्थानों पर जंगलों में किसानों पर फायरिंग हो चुकी है। गोली लगने से कई किसान गंभीर रूप से घायल हो चुके हैं। इस तरह की घटनाओं से किसान दहशत में हैं। वे फसलें सूखती देख भी जंगल में जाने की हिम्मत नहीं जुटा पा रहे। कुछ बाहरी बस्तियों में भी आए दिन फायरिंग की वारदातें सामने आ रही हैं।
http://www.jagran.com/news/national-muzaffarnagar-riots-miscreants-fire-at-farmers-10733885.html
Check my posts, I have condemned violence. Posting an article isn't taking sides.
I want to ask the supportes of Kangress, why is congress not taking any stand on MJN roits. 1) Governor has said it was a complete failure of the state govt 2) An advisory was issued and no measures were taken to prevent it 3) Sting operation by Times Now/Aaj tak which revealed the truth of the roits. Now please don't tell me "Answer to every question is 2022 roits and N. Modi"
samarkadian
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Can I politely dare to ask brethren not to at-least throw stones at each other here in this ultra-sensitive topic and issue. Please?
We never faced such things ever in recent times and so we need to be ultra-patient in reaching a conclusion here apolitically.
We never faced such things ever in recent times and so we need to be ultra-patient in reaching a conclusion here apolitically.
On this forum , I believe we all are highly educated Jats and understand the politics of our nation a little bit. There is no need to ask Congress supporters don't we know the simple arithmatic of numbers. UPA needs 272 to remain in govt. and SP always provides support 
. It simple formula give n take. Congress can never take action against SP because that will lead to confrontation and blocking of important bills ( for vote bank ,i.e, Food Security, Land Acquisition, Communal violence etc etc) and falling of govt as minority. Now after the bankrupt governing of India for more than 9 years , Congress is desperately busy in image makeover and giving a free hand to SP and other regional parties considering the present situation and future alliances.
. It simple formula give n take. Congress can never take action against SP because that will lead to confrontation and blocking of important bills ( for vote bank ,i.e, Food Security, Land Acquisition, Communal violence etc etc) and falling of govt as minority. Now after the bankrupt governing of India for more than 9 years , Congress is desperately busy in image makeover and giving a free hand to SP and other regional parties considering the present situation and future alliances.What I'm reading here .. All leaders of various Khaps considering themselves as HINDU??
Would be interesting to hear the views of few intellects who believe Jats are not Hindus ..
Would be interesting to hear the views of few intellects who believe Jats are not Hindus ..
Muzaffarnagar riots: Arrest us and see what happens, BJP's Uma Bharti warns Akhilesh Yadav
"Our MLAs (state legislators) will not oppose their arrest, but the government is responsible for what will follow. I am warning them," she said, in comments directed to the ruling Samajwadi Party (SP). "If any MLAs are arrested, it means they (SP) want to restart the riots... and this time, they want to target one particular community and one party."
Mr Som has admitted that his office circulated a fake video that claimed to show the lynching of two Hindu Jat boys; he said that the video had been uploaded by the ruling Samajwadi Party originally.
And before you jump at me with anti-bjp band wagon, let me say it on outset even Azam Khan should be arrested after sting.
Dont blame anyone for riots but attitude of such politicians
"Our MLAs (state legislators) will not oppose their arrest, but the government is responsible for what will follow. I am warning them," she said, in comments directed to the ruling Samajwadi Party (SP). "If any MLAs are arrested, it means they (SP) want to restart the riots... and this time, they want to target one particular community and one party."
Mr Som has admitted that his office circulated a fake video that claimed to show the lynching of two Hindu Jat boys; he said that the video had been uploaded by the ruling Samajwadi Party originally.
And before you jump at me with anti-bjp band wagon, let me say it on outset even Azam Khan should be arrested after sting.
Dont blame anyone for riots but attitude of such politicians
drrajpalsingh
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Let us pray for peace to the departed souls and strength enough to the members of their family to bear the irreparable loss of their near and dear ones.
Those brethren who have suffered need our solidarity, sympathy and support. So some solid steps may be suggested/undertaken to help the victims so as to provide balm to their wounds.
Also try to control passions and avoid blaming on the site one another without rhyme and reason.
Hope better sense would prevail and there would be no recurrence of such bad incident in future.
Those brethren who have suffered need our solidarity, sympathy and support. So some solid steps may be suggested/undertaken to help the victims so as to provide balm to their wounds.
Also try to control passions and avoid blaming on the site one another without rhyme and reason.
Hope better sense would prevail and there would be no recurrence of such bad incident in future.
I suggest people should not propagate their Congress agenda here as this thread belongs to riots in MZN where our brothers were attacked n sisters were stalked by SECULAR ISLAMIC people. Jats are completely humiliated by state SP govt. and fully ignored by UPA Congress govt. We have to give both of them a befitting reply on their face. Congress will never get vote of Jats from western UP as we all are deeply saddened.
Now lets talk abt Mr modi... he is not appeasing them . He just want to use them orders them to come in skull cap as ghettos but he doesn't wear a one
like all congis n sikulars. NAMO is not a seasoned politician he came at this position with the support of rank n file among cadres.
Now lets talk abt Mr modi... he is not appeasing them . He just want to use them orders them to come in skull cap as ghettos but he doesn't wear a one
like all congis n sikulars. NAMO is not a seasoned politician he came at this position with the support of rank n file among cadres.It is absolutely true that the onus of maintaining law and order lies on the head of the powers that be and it is pointless to pass on the blame on the opposition parties. (Opposition cannot be held responsible for mishandling of the case of the killing of two Jat boys and the Jolly Canal carnage which are said to have triggered the communal riots according to DNA India http://www.dnaindia.com/india/18880...al-killings-triggered-the-muzaffarnagar-riots ). However, the role of some opposition parties also has been dubious in pursuit of narrow sectarian gains. It is a common knowledge that for easy political gains the political parties in India can stoop to any level. Therefore, to expect a responsible behaviour from the opposition is sheer foolishness. This is characteristic of almost all the Indian Political Parties to capitalise on the flash points, especially during communally charged atmosphere. Moreover, the time is opportune for them as the election time is drawing nearer.
As for the argument that only BJP attended the Mahapanchayat, it is my opinion that Mahapanchayats can deliver only if these are apolitical in character and formation. The moment any political party hijacks any particular Panchayat, it is obvious other parties will refrain from it. It is in the best interest of our community if we do not let ourselves hijacked and used as a commodity by any political party. Our Panchayats/Khaps have an important role to play in the circumstances.
Some young chaps have been castigating all those who are not falling in line with them to support one particular individual or party. They have gone to the extent of hurling abuses and derogatory language against their own brothers. Ironically, they do not tire of talking about Jat unity, inspite of their vitriolic frothing and strident rhetoric of supporting only one individual.
As Rajpal Ji, Samar and some other respected members have flagged the need of support to the victims of this mindless violence, we must concentrate on that only. The important issue here is how to prevent such kind of unfortunate incidents in future. How to forge a united front to save the dignity of our community while keeping the political opportunists at bay? Politics we discuss separately, later on. How our organisations can be made more effective and representative assumes greater importance at this juncture.
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http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar-10735705.html
महिलाओं ने कहा कि सांप्रदायिक हिंसा की आड़ में पुलिस एक तरफा कार्रवाई कर उत्पीड़न कर रही है। निर्दोर्षो को इस मामले में झूठा फंसाया जा रहा है। कुछ लोगों को पुलिस उठाकर ले गई, जबकि बाकी लोग पुलिस की डर की वजह से गांव छोड़कर चले गए। घरों पर अब महिलाएं ही रह गई है। कोई खेत पर जाने वाला नहीं है और न ही पशुओं के लिए चारा खेत से लाया जा रहा है। सिंचाई न होने से खेत सूख रहे हैं। इस दौरान पुलिस उत्पीड़न से परेशान कई महिलाएं तो जोर-जोर से रोने लगी। महिलाओं ने यहां तक कहा कि अगर उनके साथ अन्याय हुआ तो गलत करने वालों को भगवान भी माफ नहीं करेगा।
महिलाओं ने कहा कि सांप्रदायिक हिंसा की आड़ में पुलिस एक तरफा कार्रवाई कर उत्पीड़न कर रही है। निर्दोर्षो को इस मामले में झूठा फंसाया जा रहा है। कुछ लोगों को पुलिस उठाकर ले गई, जबकि बाकी लोग पुलिस की डर की वजह से गांव छोड़कर चले गए। घरों पर अब महिलाएं ही रह गई है। कोई खेत पर जाने वाला नहीं है और न ही पशुओं के लिए चारा खेत से लाया जा रहा है। सिंचाई न होने से खेत सूख रहे हैं। इस दौरान पुलिस उत्पीड़न से परेशान कई महिलाएं तो जोर-जोर से रोने लगी। महिलाओं ने यहां तक कहा कि अगर उनके साथ अन्याय हुआ तो गलत करने वालों को भगवान भी माफ नहीं करेगा।
ग्रामीणों पर मुकदमे दर्ज
कांधला : सांप्रदायिक दंगों के बाद कांधला आकर रह रहे विस्थापित परिवारों के सदस्यों में बुधवार को गांव बहावडी निवासी शौकीन पुत्र अली हसन ने गांव के 37 लोगों, नबाब पुत्र करीम ने 35 लोगों तथा मीरहसन पुत्र समेदीन ने 41 लोगों के खिलाफ लूट, आगजनी व मारपीट का मुकदमा दर्ज कराया है। वही दूसरी ओर गांव लिसाढ़ निवासी शमशाद पुत्र नब्बू ने 22 लोगों, मोहम्मद पुत्र जमालु ने 10 लोगों, हनीफ पुत्र नसरु ने 5 लोगों व साहब पुत्र अब्दुल ने गांव के 6 लोगों के खिलाफ मुकदमा दर्ज कराया है।
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar-10735697.html
कांधला : सांप्रदायिक दंगों के बाद कांधला आकर रह रहे विस्थापित परिवारों के सदस्यों में बुधवार को गांव बहावडी निवासी शौकीन पुत्र अली हसन ने गांव के 37 लोगों, नबाब पुत्र करीम ने 35 लोगों तथा मीरहसन पुत्र समेदीन ने 41 लोगों के खिलाफ लूट, आगजनी व मारपीट का मुकदमा दर्ज कराया है। वही दूसरी ओर गांव लिसाढ़ निवासी शमशाद पुत्र नब्बू ने 22 लोगों, मोहम्मद पुत्र जमालु ने 10 लोगों, हनीफ पुत्र नसरु ने 5 लोगों व साहब पुत्र अब्दुल ने गांव के 6 लोगों के खिलाफ मुकदमा दर्ज कराया है।
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar-10735697.html
sumitjattan
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Well satyeshwar in this article they have mentioned two dozen muslim died in these riots , so we can get Jat casualty by deleting two dozen from total casualty
http://www.bhaskar.com/article/UP-four-farmers-injured-in-community-violence-4375629-NOR.html
शामली: खेतों में काम कर रहे किसानों पर सैकड़ों लोगों ने किया हमला
मेरठ/मुजफ्फरनगर. जनपद शामली थाना फुगाना क्षेत्र के गांव में खेत में पशुओं का चारा लेने गये एक समुदाय के किसानों पर दूसरे पक्ष के सैकडों लोगों ने हमला कर दिया। जिसमें खेत में कार्य कर रहे चार किसान गोली लगने से घायल हो गये है। किसानों पर हमले की सूचना पर पहुंचे ग्रामीणों और हमलावरों के बीच कई घंटे तक फाइरिंग चलती रही। मामले की सूचना पर पुलिस मौके पर पहुंच गई। घायलों को शामली के जिला चिकित्सालय में भर्ती कराया गया है।
आपको बता दे गांव फुगाना व आसपास के गांव से दंगों के बाद, एक समुदाय के लोग पलायन कर गये थे। गांव व आस-पास के गांवों में एक समुदाय के 13 लोग इसकी चपेट में आकर अपनी जान गंवा बैठे थे। पलायन करने वाले लोग पास के ही एक गांव में पहुंच गये थे। यहां पर गांव फुगाना में पिछले दो दिनों से एक समुदाय के लोग लगातार किसानों पर हमले कर रहे थे। उनकी ट्यूबवैलों को लगातर नुकसान पहुंचा रहे थे।
आज भी एक पक्ष ने खेत में कार्य कर रहे किसानों ने हमला कर दिया। हमले में चार किसान गोली लगने से गंभीर रूप से घायल हो गये औऱ एक किसान के पशु की मौत हो गई। घटना स्थल पर भारी पुलिस बल तैनाती की गई है लेकिन इस मामले में कोई भी अधिकारी जानकारी देने से कतरा रहे है
शामली: खेतों में काम कर रहे किसानों पर सैकड़ों लोगों ने किया हमला
मेरठ/मुजफ्फरनगर. जनपद शामली थाना फुगाना क्षेत्र के गांव में खेत में पशुओं का चारा लेने गये एक समुदाय के किसानों पर दूसरे पक्ष के सैकडों लोगों ने हमला कर दिया। जिसमें खेत में कार्य कर रहे चार किसान गोली लगने से घायल हो गये है। किसानों पर हमले की सूचना पर पहुंचे ग्रामीणों और हमलावरों के बीच कई घंटे तक फाइरिंग चलती रही। मामले की सूचना पर पुलिस मौके पर पहुंच गई। घायलों को शामली के जिला चिकित्सालय में भर्ती कराया गया है।
आपको बता दे गांव फुगाना व आसपास के गांव से दंगों के बाद, एक समुदाय के लोग पलायन कर गये थे। गांव व आस-पास के गांवों में एक समुदाय के 13 लोग इसकी चपेट में आकर अपनी जान गंवा बैठे थे। पलायन करने वाले लोग पास के ही एक गांव में पहुंच गये थे। यहां पर गांव फुगाना में पिछले दो दिनों से एक समुदाय के लोग लगातार किसानों पर हमले कर रहे थे। उनकी ट्यूबवैलों को लगातर नुकसान पहुंचा रहे थे।
आज भी एक पक्ष ने खेत में कार्य कर रहे किसानों ने हमला कर दिया। हमले में चार किसान गोली लगने से गंभीर रूप से घायल हो गये औऱ एक किसान के पशु की मौत हो गई। घटना स्थल पर भारी पुलिस बल तैनाती की गई है लेकिन इस मामले में कोई भी अधिकारी जानकारी देने से कतरा रहे है
When such blatant, one-sided, politically motivated unfortunate incidents happen, tempers are bound to rise on every forum.
Who would be the Jat who would sit non-chalantly while his sister is being molested on a regular basis?
What would the Jat do when the parents of the molesters challenge the brothers that their sons would continue doing come what may?
What would the Jat do when the police refuses to register a case against the molesters under pressure and instructions from the Communal SP govt.?
What would the Jat do when while returning from Mahapanchayat his brothers are gunned down by AK 47s and the govt. refuses to intervene?
What would the Jat do when his arms licence is revoked and the other side has all the illegal arms in the world including AK 47 rifles?
What would the Jat do when the media reporting is totally biased and one sided?
What would the Jat do when leaders of almost all the political parties including Khangress, SP, BSP stand shoulder to shoulder in the mob where muslims are being incited against Jats/Hindus?
What would the Jat do when their CM wears skull cap at the time when violence is still taking place in a few places?
What would the Jat do when PM and Madam visit only the Muslims and only 2 Jat villages (and that too on the last minute advice of a UP govt. official)?
What would the Jat do when the Jat MP (son of Sh. Ajit Singh) visits only mosques/madrassas?
I agree that we should maintain calm and peace and we as a community (despite being a martial race) are doing exactly that. However, at the same time I have seen no member hurling abuses or using derogatory language against fellow members as alleged by some other members. While thinking of ways of healing the wounds of brothers in W.UP. we should refrain from settling our own agendas against fellow brothers on Jatland by alleging wrong things. Let us at least NOT use this thread to complain and get some other member whose philosophy does not coincide with ours banned as has been done in the past.
Who would be the Jat who would sit non-chalantly while his sister is being molested on a regular basis?
What would the Jat do when the parents of the molesters challenge the brothers that their sons would continue doing come what may?
What would the Jat do when the police refuses to register a case against the molesters under pressure and instructions from the Communal SP govt.?
What would the Jat do when while returning from Mahapanchayat his brothers are gunned down by AK 47s and the govt. refuses to intervene?
What would the Jat do when his arms licence is revoked and the other side has all the illegal arms in the world including AK 47 rifles?
What would the Jat do when the media reporting is totally biased and one sided?
What would the Jat do when leaders of almost all the political parties including Khangress, SP, BSP stand shoulder to shoulder in the mob where muslims are being incited against Jats/Hindus?
What would the Jat do when their CM wears skull cap at the time when violence is still taking place in a few places?
What would the Jat do when PM and Madam visit only the Muslims and only 2 Jat villages (and that too on the last minute advice of a UP govt. official)?
What would the Jat do when the Jat MP (son of Sh. Ajit Singh) visits only mosques/madrassas?
I agree that we should maintain calm and peace and we as a community (despite being a martial race) are doing exactly that. However, at the same time I have seen no member hurling abuses or using derogatory language against fellow members as alleged by some other members. While thinking of ways of healing the wounds of brothers in W.UP. we should refrain from settling our own agendas against fellow brothers on Jatland by alleging wrong things. Let us at least NOT use this thread to complain and get some other member whose philosophy does not coincide with ours banned as has been done in the past.
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I fully endorse your opinion. But the unfortunate part is that we have a habit of forgetfulness and very often tend to forget about our own attitude and disguised agendas. Anyway, let us not drag this topic into another controversy and move in a right direction. No one here can claim to be free from political bias and all of us need to do a little introspection and retrospection.
Before anyone speculate my political ideology . I would like to tell it proudly to avoid any confusion or speculation in coming future. I am a big fan of RSS and because of that of BJP . I am Hindu first then a Jat.
Very Much Right, We are first Hindu then JAT. If JAT wants to retain respect in society & politics then this is the Only Mantra. After AAJ TAK Sting Operation it has become clear where we need to go.