Rohtak in news again for honor killing!!

soniadabas said:
I agree that even relatives would refrain from keeping them as even they are afraid of the blame they might get if, they run away from there custody .
I think that such issue must be dealt with utmost sensitivity. We must see the practicability .
I am sure before the duo was killed , they too were humiliated in public in front of relatives .Did they stop after all that torture. No,I don’t think so,
You can not win a person’s trust by humiliating them.
By indulging in childish behavior like making them tie a rakhi or insulting them in front of relatives wont be of any help at all. Such behaviour will not help in finding a solution.
Feelings of affection won’t die in a day or two. It requires time to heal a wound.
We must not forget that, it is not only the family that is suffering but also the duo who is at the receiving end. They get constant humiliation from family and relatives. Therefore they need counseling from a mature person who can guide them. They must not be judged at every now and then.
The family must free them self from the gulit of being associated with them. They must understand that they are there own children. Give them proper counselling, instead of making fun of them.
Moreover they have only committed mistake by not making a right choice but that doesnot label them as a criminal.
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Big words don't pay always. Yoy advocated in previous post "honor does not lie in killing..jat brothers had not killed muslim boy..there would not have been any riots in M.Nagar".... History is the evidence jats have never bowed down against injustice..you want to kill that conscience and dignity that keep a Jat going......here two you rejected all the previous suggestions and advised "proper counselling"..funny?..don't get offended but you sound lilke a bhappa girl sitting in front of a news channel and talking non-sense
 
prashantacmet said:
Big words don't pay always. Yoy advocated in previous post "honor does not lie in killing..jat brothers had not killed muslim boy..there would not have been any riots in M.Nagar".... History is the evidence jats have never bowed down against injustice..you want to kill that conscience and dignity that keep a Jat going......here two you rejected all the previous suggestions and advised "proper counselling"..funny?..don't get offended but you sound lilke a bhappa girl sitting in front of a news channel and talking non-sense
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Okay, but then what was the outcome, killing of so many hindu- muslim, who were not even directly linked to the incident. I did not rejected my previous two suggestions . I said most would refrain but not all . N offcourse If counselling does not work, then last option left is to let them be on there on. Let them bear the fruit of there Karma.

I still do stand by my opinion that HONOR does not lie in killing but finding a solution peacefully.
May i have a few serious suggestions from your end too.
Why would I be offended by your figment of Imagination ?
What you think is your problem n not mine .
 
And that is what I also want to appeal to media that stop throwing the Rohtak Honor Killing case as a whole on Jats and Khaps.......Alas! media could also listen to your views sir, certainly I won't have brought this video here with such special remarks!

DrRajpalSingh said:
No caste tags of the victims please.

Every brute act deserves condemnation in severest words, there is no question of the caste of the victims involved !

It is the death of human beings and the mankind as such.
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soniadabas said:
I agree that even relatives would refrain from keeping them as even they are afraid of the blame they might get if, they run away from there custody .
I think that such issue must be dealt with utmost sensitivity. We must see the practicability .
I am sure before the duo was killed , they too were humiliated in public in front of relatives .Did they stop after all that torture. No,I don’t think so,
You can not win a person’s trust by humiliating them.
By indulging in childish behavior like making them tie a rakhi or insulting them in front of relatives wont be of any help at all. Such behaviour will not help in finding a solution.
Feelings of affection won’t die in a day or two. It requires time to heal a wound.
We must not forget that, it is not only the family that is suffering but also the duo who is at the receiving end. They get constant humiliation from family and relatives. Therefore they need counseling from a mature person who can guide them. They must not be judged at every now and then.
The family must free them self from the gulit of being associated with them. They must understand that they are there own children. Give them proper counselling, instead of making fun of them.
Moreover they have only committed mistake by not making a right choice but that doesnot label them as a criminal.
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As if there was no mature person in their bade bujurgs, family, kunba, gali, panna, gaam, rishtedari, biradari. And they were still a few hours short of complete moral counselling course.... They surely would be getting their daily dose of moral counselling.....morning, afternoon, evening and night.

soniadabas said:
Okay, but then what was the outcome, killing of so many hindu- muslim, who were not even directly linked to the incident. I did not rejected my previous two suggestions . I said most would refrain but not all . N offcourse If counselling does not work, then last option left is to let them be on there on. Let them bear the fruit of there Karma.

I still do stand by my opinion that HONOR does not lie in killing but finding a solution peacefully.
May i have a few serious suggestions from your end too.
Why would I be offended by your figment of Imagination ?
What you think is your problem n not mine .
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If this is the end result of your brainstorming & final verdict.

Coming love-nuts won't mind a couple of months humiliation, moral counselling...but will patiently wait for "let them be on there on". In a belief, it's their test of real love (/as Samar rightly called incestual relationship) & will become highly motivated individuals inspiring other love-nuts.

PS: I've not supported their killings, so don't start beating me on that false assumption, to satisfy your replies. :-p
 
Being human one should condemn the brutal killing, of other human being. People are talking about counseling of couple blah blah …, they had affairs since last three year, don’t we think enough counseling must have been done by both families before taking such harass step.

None parents will take tough stand to kill their own kids that too when they were aware about the outcome of killing/murder.

Our value system became corrupt with show off modern virus, that’s why young kids are not understanding values/culture system which taught to learn refrain from such kind of illicit relationships, and pray to this modernization culture.
 
annch said:
Another media article out to tarnish the image of Haryana......first it was TOI and not Yahoo news sensationalizing for saleability........based on utter non sense....just based on an isolated incident that could have happened anywhere in the country, yet our state has been singled out...
http://in.news.yahoo.com/one-rescue...-crises-of-policemen-in-palwal-071539504.html
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people of this state and all jats irrespective of their religion and region need a "proper counselling"..they are living in stone-age..
 
sanjaymalik said:
Being human one should condemn the brutal killing, of other human being. People are talking about counseling of couple blah blah …, they had affairs since last three year, don’t we think enough counseling must have been done by both families before taking such harass step.

None parents will take tough stand to kill their own kids that too when they were aware about the outcome of killing/murder.

Our value system became corrupt with show off modern virus, that’s why young kids are not understanding values/culture system which taught to learn refrain from such kind of illicit relationships, and pray to this modernization culture.
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Friend,

Causes are well known The Himalayan question remains - What is the remedy?

Has the time not arrived to counsel both, parents and children, to adjust themselves according to the need of the hour; ie. parents groom children from their early childhood and inculcate value system expected from them and the adolescents reciprocate and pay heed to their sane advice.

Thanks
 
prashantacmet said:
people of this state and all jats irrespective of their religion and region need a "proper counselling"..they are living in stone-age..
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Friend,

Even in stone age this type of 'justice' has not been brought out to light by the archaeologists.

This brute system is reflection of the medieval Ages when some tribes started to kill their daughters to maintain their false sense of honour.

In the instant case, perhaps, the girl and boy might have been saved if services of some trained psychiatrist had been utilised by the concerned parents of both of them.

But now there is no use to tell ifs and buts.

The lesson from this incident can prove to be eye opener for others if they show more care to upbringing their children and also try to change their mind set.
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The children should be told in plain words the negative impact of inbreeding [same gotra marriages] at an early age and it is hoped that they would definitely cooperate with their parents to uphold this tradition based on scientific positive results.

This system is not only taboo in India but elsewhere also. Looking at its harmful impact, it has been forbidden by law in many countries.

So many studies and laws are there which forbid inbreedings in various countries of the world if one bothers to know of them.

Thanks
 
1) with khaps helpless to do anything? But then nobody listens to khaps.

2) what about the people? The bystanders? Shouldn't they know what is right and wrong? No, because they mind their own business and take care of their own households....

3) can the community do something? Nope, because it has been exploited, crushed by the unfair governments with unemployment and frustration rising among its well qualified youth unable to find means of living. The community is too lost in itself to take care of a woman who is not even a jat and from another state.

4) can the family of the girl do something? Yes, they should not have allowed the girl out of the house. So, the family and the girl deserve what they got.

This is all ridiculous. Moral values, humanity is nothing. long live the genes!!!we must preserve the genes.why? isn't there anything else left to take pride in? Is anybody else listening to the "great" genes?.....No, because they are all envious of our great genes!!!!!

prashantacmet said:
people of this state and all jats irrespective of their religion and region need a "proper counselling"..they are living in stone-age..
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annch said:
1) with khaps helpless to do anything? But then nobody listens to khaps.

2) what about the people? The bystanders? Shouldn't they know what is right and wrong? No, because they mind their own business and take care of their own households....

3) can the community do something? Nope, because it has been exploited, crushed by the unfair governments with unemployment and frustration rising among its well qualified youth unable to find means of living. The community is too lost in itself to take care of a woman who is not even a jat and from another state.

4) can the family of the girl do something? Yes, they should not have allowed the girl out of the house. So, the family and the girl deserve what they got.

This is all ridiculous. Moral values, humanity is nothing. long live the genes!!!we must preserve the genes.why? isn't there anything else left to take pride in? Is anybody else listening to the "great" genes?.....No, because they are all envious of our great genes!!!!!
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Sonia dabas will give reply on my behalf.
 
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