JATS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SHARE hOOKA WITH rAJPUTS, THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT ON CHARPAI WITH RAJPUTS, EDUCATIONALLY THEY HAD BEEN BEHIND MANY CASTES WHICH ARE IN OBC LIKE SUNARS, AHIRS ETC, IF SUNARS, YADAV ETC ARE OBC, JATS ARE VERY MUCH JUSTIFIED TO BE IN THE LIST, MAJORITY OF JATS ARE ECONOMICALLY WEAK EVEN NOW
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Should Jats Vote to Congress Now after getting OBC Reservation ?
- Thread starter samarkadian
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JATS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SHARE hOOKA WITH rAJPUTS, THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT ON CHARPAI WITH RAJPUTS, EDUCATIONALLY THEY HAD BEEN BEHIND MANY CASTES WHICH ARE IN OBC LIKE SUNARS, AHIRS ETC, IF SUNARS, YADAV ETC ARE OBC, JATS ARE VERY MUCH JUSTIFIED TO BE IN THE LIST, MAJORITY OF JATS ARE ECONOMICALLY WEAK EVEN NOW
sumitjattan
New member
bhai meri post ka crux surf selfishness pe tha .... Goan mein education ka infra theek
karwa do apne balak general category mein e top kar jyange
karwa do apne balak general category mein e top kar jyange
Bhai please read my post above this post :suspicion: .... I dont think Khangress will benefit from this step. Reservation is not going down well with other castes.
Rahi baat backward hone ki - to bhai agar is mein community ka bhala ho raha hai to backward sahi. Ye Yadav dekh le bhai.... har medical college mein inke e naam paawein sein list mein...... OBC ka full faayda thaa re sein..... apne bhaiyaa ne mil jaaga to ke nuksaan s..... haan lekin zameer nahi bechna.... Khangress ko vote bilkul nahi...!
sumitjattan
New member
Please justify your statement with respect to Haryana and Western UP and in Rajasthan they are already in Obc
JATS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SHARE hOOKA WITH rAJPUTS, THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT ON CHARPAI WITH RAJPUTS, EDUCATIONALLY THEY HAD BEEN BEHIND MANY CASTES WHICH ARE IN OBC LIKE SUNARS, AHIRS ETC, IF SUNARS, YADAV ETC ARE OBC, JATS ARE VERY MUCH JUSTIFIED TO BE IN THE LIST, MAJORITY OF JATS ARE ECONOMICALLY WEAK EVEN NOW
Almost 50% say congress should be voted, rest say they won't congress for reservation thing. Don't know how realistic this figure would be in elections. Muslims leaders in Congress are angry over jat reservation after Muzzafarnagar roits. Rashid Alvi (Saw in news today morning that he might join the so called communal BJP over jat reservation).
Really don't understand his base for doing so?
My vote would been yes if I were asked of state elections clubbed with Jat reservation.
Really don't understand his base for doing so?
My vote would been yes if I were asked of state elections clubbed with Jat reservation.
vairesatendra
New member
bhai meri post ka crux surf selfishness pe tha .... Goan mein education ka infra theek
karwa do apne balak general category mein e top kar jyange
Bhai infrastructure theek kaun karvayega...Jab tak infrastructure sahi nahi hota, tab tak to reservation k kuch to fayda hoga.
Bhai ek seedhi se bat...SC/ST k reservation se jo log Sarkari naukri leke baith gaye h kya unka socio-economic status badha h ya fir kam hua h.
Yadav netao ko dekho, wo zyada se zyada apni community k logo ko government job me OBC category ki vajah se bharte h. UP ek example h.
samarkadian
Active member
I think reservation for jats is completely unfair and can't be justified. I want to bring the following points in the discussion.
You think? I doubt. These lines were the same as Non-Jat, against reservation during public hearing. Are you a Jat?
1) Are we socially deprived?
The answer I feel is a big NO. A jat has always been proud of calling himself a jat which is not the case with other castes in OBC list.
You feel? Or you Think ? Or you Know ? Has Yadav/Gujjars been non-proud of calling themselves?
2) Are we economically weak?
We had always been land owners, zamindars and kings, who had been providing employment to other castes through out the history. Consider the example of jats of Delhi, the price of land is so high there that almost everyone is a croepati.
Are Jats only in Delhi? We are living in fast compititive modern world.
3) Are we educationally weak?
We have lot of people reaching high posts in all walks of life. But there are still a lot of jats who don't get good education, this was even the worry of Sir Chhotu Ram in 1920s. However, jats have all the means to get good education. Lack of education is not forced on us by any one its a choice.
Mr Genius, its not about the means of education, its about opportunity in central govt. and state govt jobs and institutes.? How many jats getting in institutes like AIIMS?
If we are not socially, economically and educationally backward on what basis we accepted this reservation. Sir Chhotu Ram would have been very UNHAPPY AND ASHAMED on this decision of the jat community. We have gone against his vision for jats "Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle, Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai". He graduated from St. Stephan's College, Delhi University (topmost college in India) and held several high positions on the basis of his talent not because of any reservation. Many of us today are in good colleges and at higher posts not because of reservation but due to hard work.
He did and he knew his brethern cant because he was supported by Ch Chajju Ram. How many Chajju Ram you see nowadays. Reservation doesnt stop you to work hard but it makes sure that your hard work now has more chances to get fruits.
You sounded like that NCBC member Saini and concluded himself about backwardness. Are you Jat?
We have violated the Kshatriya philosophy of sacrificing for the weak. Today, we are pretending to be weak ourselves and asking others to sacrifice for us.
Lol. Brahmans wrote you Shudras and you believe that you are Kshtariyas.
Where is our honor and pride my friends?
Many of us say, several other forward casts have got reservation than why not we. Shouldn't we set an example by declining the reservation? Shouldn't we start a movement against all type of caste based reservation? Shouldn't we vouch reservation only for the economically weak irrespective of cast. We should portray such high moral standards that the rest of people in the country cite us as an example. Isn't that the vision of our great forefathers? Wouldn't our children be proud us for this sacrifice?
We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
You Genius, yesterday Supreme court rubbished such a petition filed by a dumbhead asking for giving reservation on economic basics. What stops you to show high morals to the country? what are you doing here? Our forefathers didn't have great vision, they were simple farmers.
We have gained more than anything in OBC reservation at central level.
Who the hell is this WE by the way?
samarkadian
Active member
bhai meri post ka crux surf selfishness pe tha .... Goan mein education ka infra theek
karwa do apne balak general category mein e top kar jyange
Come out of the self fulfilling false assumptions and presumptions. I just got a call from a friend who has been to IAS interview two times and he hails from a city, he was so happy that this time he will make it.
If you cant appreciate the reservation to jats brethren then join non-jats protests against it.
samarkadian
Active member
Please justify your statement with respect to Haryana and Western UP and in Rajasthan they are already in Obc
Read the NCBC report completely and understand, you will get your answers.
samarkadian
Active member
Looking at the poll it appears that most of the people who are in favour of voting congress are the one who were in favour even before the announcement and most of the people who are against are the one who were against before this news.
Doesn't look like this news have changed people's views about Congress that much. Some people have started showing how it will dent Modi's fortune. Don't know whether are happy because of reservation or because it will harm Modi. Some people are asking all Jats to vote for Congress now as in their eyes we are indebted to them.
Another way to look at it if this was our Right Congress took 24 years to give us our Right? Should we feel angry or indebted. Yes one can argue that if we wouldn't suck up to Congress we wouldn't get Reservation. But a man of integrity and self pride wouldn't suck up to anyone for reservation. He will keep fighting till he get it.
I know people here don't like criticism and they would call me someone who never sat on the track and is just an internet warrior but we are not criticising them but are criticising Congress. Truth is people are so fed up with UPA that even this news wont change their mind. Another thing is when people ask for vote in favour of congress the voter has all right to ask questions about the motive, timing of the decision, critically evaluate it or be cynic about it . Its their right to ask and its the duty of the person seeking vote to explain. At least I never promised that I will vote for congress if we get reservation. The one who did should vote for congress.
Vipin Bhai, what are you feeling yourself? Its a fact no govt would have done it without this sort of agitation from such huge vote bank.
prashantdabas
New member
1) I am a Jat and very proud about. Let others also be. That means we all (jats as well as others) are not deprived in the society.
2) Delhi was just an example. weaker sections of all castes need reservation.
3) I don't care what brahmins wrote. Do we need to believe in their history of us?
4) You means simple farmers are not visionaries. They were.
5) Please, Give reference for the SC judgement.
Don't get offended dear, its just an exchange of views.
2) Delhi was just an example. weaker sections of all castes need reservation.
3) I don't care what brahmins wrote. Do we need to believe in their history of us?
4) You means simple farmers are not visionaries. They were.
5) Please, Give reference for the SC judgement.
Don't get offended dear, its just an exchange of views.
samarkadian
Active member
1) I am a Jat and very proud about. Let others also be. That means we all (jats as well as others) are not deprived in the society.
2) Delhi was just an example. weaker sections of all castes need reservation.
3) I don't care what brahmins wrote. Do we need to believe in their history of us?
4) You means simple farmers are not visionaries. They were.
5) Please, Give reference for the SC judgement.
Don't get offended dear, its just an exchange of views.
5- Dig yourself the news and newspapers sites.
4) Yes simple farmers are not visionaries.
1) We are deprived. May be you are not. You are privileged most Jats except Delhi are not crorepati. Ask how many crorepati members are here on this portal. Don't avail reservation if it comes in your way of pride
2) Its nothing to do with weaker section of society. They do whatever they want. if you are sympathetic to them, go work for them and help them to come out of their weakness.
You probably don't want Jats to progress acc to time and reach on higher posts? Why? Are you a non- jat? Are you from Times of India ?
Vipin Bhai, what are you feeling yourself? Its a fact no govt would have done it without this sort of agitation from such huge vote bank.
I have shared my feeling about reservation in numerous threads earlier.
In principle I only support reservation for SC that too for a limited time however I supported Jat reservation since the start because of the situation we are in (In terms of Reservation). I remember earlier you had different views about reservation even that time I was in support.
I am happy about it but don't feel indebted to Congress.
samarkadian
Active member
I have shared my feeling about reservation in numerous threads earlier.
In principle I only support reservation for SC however I supported Jat reservation since the start because of the situation we are in. I remember earlier you had different views about reservation even that time I was in support.
I am happy about it don't feel indebted to Congress.
Good, Voting is individual decision. Its your choice.
vairesatendra
New member
hi brothers
after reading whole thread i did not find any jat advocate who have shed any light on jat reservation shame.is this reservation contitutional or uncontutional.if its passed my majorty then it should not be any problem.if any one challeges resrvation to jat(which no one is going to do that)if they do they are challanging whole process of reservation and they are also chalnging fundanmantel right of equaltity guartteed by our constitutution.pardon me if i said wrong and correctt me brothers thanks
Bhai Jat reservation is not at all unconstitutional. Muslim reservation was unconstitutional because our Constitution doesn't support reservation based on religion.
prashantdabas
New member
5) Is it really there?
4) It is really a misconception that people who have degrees do have vision. Our farmers do hold panchayats and do show very high vision to solve social and local problems.
1) Don't stick to delhi. Read the post again. I support reservation for weaker seactions be it jat or anyone else.
2) I do work for jats and others.
I want jats to reach highest position but not by reservation but our in born quality of hard work. I am a Jat brother. I am not affiliated to any one.
Again repeat its just an exchange of views.
4) It is really a misconception that people who have degrees do have vision. Our farmers do hold panchayats and do show very high vision to solve social and local problems.
1) Don't stick to delhi. Read the post again. I support reservation for weaker seactions be it jat or anyone else.
2) I do work for jats and others.
I want jats to reach highest position but not by reservation but our in born quality of hard work. I am a Jat brother. I am not affiliated to any one.
Again repeat its just an exchange of views.
samarkadian
Active member
5) Is it really there?
4) It is really a misconception that people who have degrees do have vision. Our farmers do hold panchayats and do show very high vision to solve social and local problems.
1) Don't stick to delhi. Read the post again. I support reservation for weaker seactions be it jat or anyone else.
2) I do work for jats and others.
I want jats to reach highest position but not by reservation but our in born quality of hard work. I am a Jat brother. I am not affiliated to any one.
Again repeat its just an exchange of views.
Good luck. Keep on working. Jat reservation is a fact now irrespective of what you think.
5) Is it really there?
4) It is really a misconception that people who have degrees do have vision. Our farmers do hold panchayats and do show very high vision to solve social and local problems.
1) Don't stick to delhi. Read the post again. I support reservation for weaker seactions be it jat or anyone else.
2) I do work for jats and others.
I want jats to reach highest position but not by reservation but our in born quality of hard work. I am a Jat brother. I am not affiliated to any one.
Again repeat its just an exchange of views.
When top seats are reserved how can you reach there just by Hard Work? The rules either should be same for everyone or if they have to be unfair they better be unfair for my advantage than anyone else.
prashantdabas
New member
This is giving up the discussion. Good luck to you too.
prashantdabas
New member
Isn't is better to work in the direction that the rules are fare for all?