Should Jats Vote to Congress Now after getting OBC Reservation ?

[cooljat]

Before Voting in 2014 please remember the following statements of congress & its allies:


1. People will forget the coal scam like they forgot Bofors – Sushil Shinde


2. People join the Police and Army to die – Bhim Singh


3. Our soldiers were not killed by Pakistani army but by terrorists wearing the uniform of Pakistani army – AK Antony


4. If there is no water to drink then should I pee in the dams to bring water? – Ajit Pawar


6. Inflation is high because people purchase gold.- P. Chidambaram


7. Money does not grow on trees – Manmohan Singh


8. We do not have a magic wand that we can control inflation – Manmohan Singh


9. By killing cows we do not harm the country. If we do not kill cows, India will face a huge problem - Sharad Pawar


10. If Sonia ji says, I will even sweep the floor – Bhakta Charan Das


11. East India Company came to loot India 400 years back. I again invite you to come to India for the next 200 years.
There will be a huge reward for you: — P.C. Chidambaram, London 1999


12. Mother India is a demoness: Azam Khan


13. People can eat their fill in five rupees: — Raj Babbar


14. If we start protecting cows, the world will say that we are taking India to the 15th century - Nehru, 1952


16. The poor are responsible for inflation: — Manmohan Singh


17. This country is at risk not because of Islamic terrorists but because of Hindu terrorists: — Rahul Gandhi


18. I will not say Vande Mataram: — Hamid Ansari


19. Sonia ji cried a lot when the terrorists were killed at Batla House: — Salman Khurshid


20. When a big tree falls, the ground shakes : Rajiv Gandhi on the murder of 4,500 Sikhs - Rajiv Gandhi


21. People are eating more that is why inflation is high: — P.C. Chidambaram


22..There is no such thing as poverty in India. It is a state of the mind – Rahul Gandhi


23. Narendra Modi is a dealer in death: Sonia Gandhi


24. I can become a parliamentarian any time I want. It is a small thing for me – Robert Vadra


25. People from UP are beggars. They go to Punjab and Gujarat to beg: — Rahul Gandhi


Now you decide your self if whom to VOTE in 2014!!

 

[bsbana]

Jats in Rajasthan are already disenchanted with 3 month rule of bjp. Massive anti-incumbancy among Jats and other farmers(including bishnoi,dalit and Meena)

 

[samarkadian]

It looks from this discussion & arguments done by many that these elections are not general elections rather it is Haryana Vidhan Sabha election. The Haryana leaders from various political parties will become PM. The reservation was under OBC was the only issue for Jats distributed in many states geographically. We Jats are not affected with price hike, corruption, nepotism, scams, riots, minority appeasement, nation's external/internal affairs, terrorism etc. This inclusion of Jats in OBC will solve all the problems of Jats as well as of India as a country. Now Pakistan & China will be scared , Bangladeshis will not infiltrate, US will bow down, Gandhi family will come on path of Mahatma Gandhi, we will start getting 24*7 electricity in UP for our farms, education will become free, ministers will not do corruption as we are in OBC now.

Lets vote for CONGRESS.

Whats wrong with looking at it from a state's perspective? With INLD still supporting economic base reservation, HJC paid people protesting against it and BJP is clearly against , what do you suggest?

 

[swaich]

Whats wrong with looking at it from a state's perspective? With INLD still supporting economic base reservation, HJC paid people protesting against it and BJP is clearly against , what do you suggest?

He is pissed that we aren't pissed enough.

 

[rathiji]

He is pissed that we aren't pissed enough.

We ? Who ? Sikhs Jats ? you or Samar ? Jats of Haryana ? Jats of India ? People of India ? who you are representing with this we ? or 27 people who voted No to vote for Congress ?

 

[desijat]

Every one who does not blindly supports Modi or agrees with your view - WE

We ? Who ? Sikhs Jats ? you or Samar ? Jats of Haryana ? Jats of India ? People of India ? who you are representing with this we ? or 27 people who voted No to vote for Congress ?

 

[rathiji]

Whats wrong with looking at it from a state's perspective? With INLD still supporting economic base reservation, HJC paid people protesting against it and BJP is clearly against , what do you suggest?

The wrongs I have mentioned in my post. You know very well that Jats doesn't reside only in Haryana and if you go by numbers also then they are more outside Haryana. Here were are talking about general elections, forming a government which will take care of all the issues affecting each & everyone in daily life. The start of thread itself is to vote or not to vote for Congress with wearing a spectacle of reservation under OBC. It could have started with praising our social leaders and their struggle for decades against all political parties including Congress. There is no problem if you or anyone want to vote for Congress & not to BJP, INLD, AAP or anyone but exercising the right of voting only with keeping this reservation lollypop in mind looks like Uttar Pradesh SC voting to Mayawati always by sidelining every other issue. If this would have been assembly election then talking about Ajit, Hooda, Rambilas makes a sense.

Suppose if reservation is the only thing a Jat need , Congress passed it through cabinet that's rights but there is no doubt that it could be challenged. The chances of Congress government in centre are very less, I would not say impossible. They did it because they are on backfoot & incumbent. On the contrary, chances of BJP are bright . So for the betterment of our community we should not make any hostile relation with BJP because we might need their support to make this reservation a reality post election. I would even like if our social leaders not political will keep a channel open with BJP on this.

 

[anilsangwan]

Every one who does not blindly supports Modi or agrees with your view - WE

तेरे तो मोदी रडक रा स्।.. आरक्षन के तागे में भी मोदी ने रोवे स् देसी .....:livid: अचार संहिता लाग ली स्।... उसका तो ख़याल कर ले।..

 

[rathiji]

Every one who does not blindly supports Modi or agrees with your view - WE

Do you support him at all on any issue with open eyes ? If not, there is no question of blind support of WE including me and many others on this forum.

 

[rathiji]

तेरे तो मोदी रडक रा स्।.. आरक्षन के तागे में भी मोदी ने रोवे स् देसी .....:livid: अचार संहिता लाग ली स्।... उसका तो ख़याल कर ले।..

Hahaha. Swaich bhi Modi ka video post kare tha arakshan ke taage me jib kai saal pehle vo paswan ki burai kare tha :livid:

 

[anilsangwan]

Strange. What happened in these 3 months? What triggered this anti incumbancy in a short span?

Jats in Rajasthan are already disenchanted with 3 month rule of bjp. Massive anti-incumbancy among Jats and other farmers(including bishnoi,dalit and Meena)

 

[prikshit]

Bhai reservation na mili thi jab tayi itni seeng fasayi na thi Jatland pe. I don't know about all, but yes a voter has a certain setup in his/her mind, its very rare that they change their mind. Everyone has their share of thinking to support their party/candidate.

Broadly this thread is about LS polls and it is discussed at state level. As I always say bhalli koisi party kona chote chor aur bade chor ke beech me selection hai. Congress 60 saal dekh li thodi din ibb aura ne bhi bichas lo.

Ek wo AK na datta dat ta, adhar ho rha hai mera batta. Aajkal te News aale bhi kangress ki news na dhikate, voting ke time ke hoga wo bera nhi

 

[anilsangwan]

............................. Aajkal te News aale bhi kangress ki news na dhikate, voting ke time ke hoga wo bera nhi

Yes even I have notices that.
Aur Congress ne le de ke bass ek wo fijoola sa Akhilesh Pratap Singh aage kar raakha s.... has channel pe wo e apni Bihari si tone mein laagya reh s took bilowan !!!

 

[samarkadian]

The wrongs I have mentioned in my post. You know very well that Jats doesn't reside only in Haryana and if you go by numbers also then they are more outside Haryana. Here were are talking about general elections, forming a government which will take care of all the issues affecting each & everyone in daily life. The start of thread itself is to vote or not to vote for Congress with wearing a spectacle of reservation under OBC. It could have started with praising our social leaders and their struggle for decades against all political parties including Congress. There is no problem if you or anyone want to vote for Congress & not to BJP, INLD, AAP or anyone but exercising the right of voting only with keeping this reservation lollypop in mind looks like Chamars voting to Mayawati always by sidelining every other issue. If this would have been assembly election then talking about Ajit, Hooda, Rambilas makes a sense.

Suppose if reservation is the only thing a Jat need , Congress passed it through cabinet that's rights but there is no doubt that it could be challenged. The chances of Congress government in centre are very less, I would not say impossible. They did it because they are on backfoot & incumbent. On the contrary, chances of BJP are bright . So for the betterment of our community we should not make any hostile relation with BJP because we might need their support to make this reservation a reality post election. I would even like if our social leaders not political will keep a channel open with BJP on this.

How Jats can make amicable relation with BJP when Satypal chaudhary Jat reservation representative was ridiculed by its president Rajnath.? Is there any way they are anyway supported state reservation samiti? Someone has posted a news in that reference in this thread.You are intelligent enough to know that incumbent govt. whosoever it is won't commit this mistake of de-notifying the Jat reservation. Ofcourse it would be challenged but then govt has to defend it. Further if they did not support it in the state how come they are to be believed and trusted on national level.? People like Jaylalita, Paswan joining hands with BJP for national interest is a joke at its peak. Everybody knows what these regional parties did to Vajpayi govt.

My argument is that voting for BJP at state would only dent jat representation in NDA which is already less in UPA. I am not sure how you feel about having non-jat representation from Haryana but I feel very strongly. Whats wrong with Chamar or Dalit community altogether strengthening BSP or any other outfit. BJP did enough to protect their interest? Had it been equation wont have been like this.

If Ajit and Hooda and other Jat MPs won't have pressed the govt it wont have happened either but again they were in a position to press that by being elected in parliament. Do you see the same happening had it been BJP led govt. ?

 

[prikshit]

Whats wrong with looking at it from a state's perspective? With INLD still supporting economic base reservation, HJC paid people protesting against it and BJP is clearly against , what do you suggest?

Nothing wrong in it. Rather we will surely look for that. HJC/BJP is a big no no at state level. INLD/BJP might get support.

 

[prikshit]

How Jats can make amicable relation with BJP when Satypal chaudhary Jat reservation representative was ridiculed by its president Rajnath.? Is there any way they are anyway supported state reservation samiti? Someone has posted a news in that reference in this thread.You are intelligent enough to know that incumbent govt. whosoever it is won't commit this mistake of de-notifying the Jat reservation. Ofcourse it would be challenged but then govt has to defend it. Further if they did not support it in the state how come they are to be believed and trusted on national level.? People like Jaylalita, Paswan joining hands with BJP for national interest is a joke at its peak. Everybody knows what these regional parties did to Vajpayi govt.

My argument is that voting for BJP at state would only dent jat representation in NDA which is already less in UPA. I am not sure how you feel about having non-jat representation from Haryana but I feel very strongly. Whats wrong with Chamar or Dalit community altogether strengthening BSP or any other outfit. BJP did enough to protect their interest? Had it been equation wont have been like this.

If Ajit and Hooda and other Jat MPs won't have pressed the govt it wont have happened either but again they were in a position to press that by being elected in parliament. Do you see the same happening had it been BJP led govt. ?

Bhai,
Marta ke na karta aali bat se. 10 saal is not a short time, elections clubbed with muzzafarnagar has made it a reality.

 

[samarkadian]

Nothing wrong in it. Rather we will surely look for that. HJC/BJP is a big no no at state level. INLD/BJP might get support.

Unfortunately there is no INLD/BJP anymore. BJP turned opportunistic and deserted INLD for general elections and embarrassed HJC which is purely anti-jat outfit. Now you got to decide where you would go.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ats-in-haryana-hjc-2/articleshow/31488736.cms

Further some Gangwa MP Rajysabha again reiterated INLD stand about economic base reservation for Jats. Now how do you read that.? Its against reservation. INLD as propagated as pro-jat outfit is only a myth. They couldn't even formally issue a statement welcoming it.

 

[samarkadian]

Bhai,
Marta ke na karta aali bat se. 10 saal is not a short time, elections clubbed with muzzafarnagar has made it a reality.

May be that did but Jat reservation demand started 2008 onward and it had to do a lot with procedure. Setting state commission and then NCBC were given power to review etc. If you want to make a home, it take an year despite your full efforts and this was a huge demand, not a simple one. I am not sure but in Western UP this would certainly manage a lot of damage control for Ajit and RLD.

 

[anilsangwan]

"Statement deniye" are cooling their heels in Tihar aashram. :triumphant: ... Baaki kise ki himmat koni !

.,...................They couldn't even formally issue a statement welcoming it.

 

[prikshit]

May be that did but Jat reservation demand started 2008 onward and it had to do a lot with procedure. Setting state commission and then NCBC were given power to review etc. If you want to make a home, it take an year despite your full efforts and this was a huge demand, not a simple one. I am not sure but in Western UP this would certainly manage a lot of damage control for Ajit and RLD.

Samar,
I don't see this as a reality, Congress might get some votes for reservation thing, but RLD is not going to get anything out of it after muzzafarnagar roits.