Should Jats Vote to Congress Now after getting OBC Reservation ?

[ayushkadyan]

I just discovered- how to laugh in a new way.

Rajpal ji shayad angrez bhi Modi ke dwab se Bharat chhod kar gaye ho. Check karo..Kahin na kahin ye news bhi mil jaayegi aajkal .

I don't see anything wrong in Satyapal Singh's statement. Before laughing, one should see the context of the statement. Being an union aviation minister Ajit Singh pressurized central Congress goverment to find his lost ground in West UP Jat Belt. So we can't give the credit of Jat reservation to Congress. All effort was of Ajit Singh. He knows that he had made a big mistake not to take a stand for Jats during the Muzaffarnagar riots. Now, he is struggling to win a lost battle. He has lost faith of Jats in west UP because of his stand on riots.

It's true that after Muzaffarnagar riots, Jat Leader Ajit Singh is struggling to find his base in his own constituency "Bagpat". Satyapal Singh is likely to contest in general election against Ajit Singh. BJP is now enjoying a great spport in wetstern UP Jat belt on the ground of last year riot where Jats were directly targeted by state goverment and BJP was the only party that stood behind the Jats and have helped them in the hour of crisis and stood by them through thick and thin.


Jat reservation is just a damage control by Ajits Singh's RLD and Congress.

Western UP Jats are now finding a hope in BJP and Modi because they have realized neither RLD nor Congress supproted them when it was needed.

Nowadays state goverment is filing riot cases and arresting the inncoent JATs in Muzaffarnagar which raising a huge dissatifaction amongst the Jats. You can feel a wave of Modi and BJP in west UP because Jats are believing that only BJP and Modi can save them from this injustice but only time will tell the reality whether Modi would be able to help Jats.

The timing of Jat reservation is just to counter the impact of BJP and Modi on West UP Jats.

Since I was brought up in Muzaffarnagar and have a good understanding of West UP Jat politics . So if Satyapal Singh is saying that Jats have got reservation because of Modi then nothing wrong in his statement beacuse RLD and Congress would not like to see that Jats are voting for Modi.

I'm agree on this that OBC reservation definitly will help Jat people in central govt. employment but we Jat are known for our self respect and pride. So we (me for sure) can't support such parties that are compromising with our community honor. I can't be selfish on this. They have given OBC reservation just for their political benefits not for our betterment.

I would like to see more thoughtful and deep analysis of one's statement before making fun of others by our respected forum members.

 

[bsbana]

I think it is more pragmatic for Jats to vote according to political reality of respective constituency.
Moreover in west UP, Jat % is not as high as Haryana and Northern Rajasthan; so they have to build alliances with other groups.

 

[sanjeev_balyan]

let it be due to pressure by any party or pure congress initiative. best part is that no party has come out to oppose it and almost all parties are trying to take the credit. that means long outstanding demand is almost accepted and will be implemented shortly.
now vote as per your choice

 

[jhuria]

i have to coose btwn:congress/AAP)... namo bhakt pls excuse


AAP - Surendra Poonia (MBBS, Major)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surendra_Poonia


Congress - P. S. Jat (MD AVVNL)
http://www.jatland.com/home/Pratap_Singh_Jat

 

[avinashb]

Just read an excellent article about Jat Reservation:
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?289749

As far as voting is concerned,Give your vote to best Jat Candidate.There is difference in political situations of various states.
BJP of Rajasthan,Delhi and UP may be in favour of Jats but Haryana BJP unit is flooded with non-Jat leaders.

Though Congress of other states have betrayed Jats in the past especially Rajasthan and Delhi and Congress paid its price.
At the moment,Haryana Congress is totally in favour of Jats and implemented pro-Jat policies.Congress gave ticket to four strong Jat Candidates out of total ten seats in the Lok Sabha list of Candidates from Haryana.
INLD ,on the other hand,is lead by Jats and their core vote bank is from Jat community only but they never supported Jat Reservation in the past.Unlike Mayawati who first thinks about her community and then works for other communities,Chautala family always had selfish motives for using Jat votes to come into power.

After ruling for almost 6 six years by INLD,it could bag only 9 seats during 2005 Vidhan Sabha elections out of which 8 were from reserved constituencies. Jat votebank split away from INLD in 2005 and is still with Congress in many districts.

Jats of Haryana would not vote for Congress not because Congress is anti-Jat but due to anti-incumbency of Congress while non-Jats have only one motive "Keep Jats away from Power."

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Just read an excellent article about Jat Reservation:
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?289749

As far as voting is concerned,Give your vote to best Jat Candidate.There is difference in political situations of various states.
BJP of Rajasthan,Delhi and UP may be in favour of Jats but Haryana BJP unit is flooded with non-Jat leaders.

Though Congress of other states have betrayed Jats in the past especially Rajasthan and Delhi and Congress paid its price.
At the moment,Haryana Congress is totally in favour of Jats and implemented pro-Jat policies.Congress gave ticket to four strong Jat Candidates out of total ten seats in the Lok Sabha list of Candidates from Haryana.
INLD ,on the other hand,is lead by Jats and their core vote bank is from Jat community only but they never supported Jat Reservation in the past.Unlike Mayawati who first thinks about her community and then works for other communities,Chautala family always had selfish motives for using Jat votes to come into power.

After ruling for almost 6 six years by INLD,it could bag only 9 seats during 2005 Vidhan Sabha elections out of which 8 were from reserved constituencies. Jat votebank split away from INLD in 2005 and is still with Congress in many districts.

Jats of Haryana would not vote for Congress not because Congress is anti-Jat but due to anti-incumbency of Congress while non-Jats have only one motive "Keep Jats away from Power."

So far as Haryana and to a large extent the support of Jat Community spread over various other states is concerned, no party can be sole claimant of their votes because of mature political consciousness among the Jats.

They cannot be befooled by the minor concessions given by this party or that.

Commentators are requested to remember that Haryana Lok Dal led Government implemented the Gurnam Singh Commission Report to grant Jat reservation in the state but did not garner their votes in 1990's.

Therefore, as usual, local leaders and policies, programmes and performances of various political parties in multifarious fields will earn ballot support of the Jats.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

let it be due to pressure by any party or pure congress initiative. best part is that no party has come out to oppose it and almost all parties are trying to take the credit. that means long outstanding demand is almost accepted and will be implemented shortly.
now vote as per your choice

Yes, Vote without favour or fear, as per your choice of the best candidate, irrespective of caste, creed, faith.

 

[samarkadian]

So far as Haryana and to a large extent the support of Jat Community spread over various other states is concerned, no party can be sole claimant of their votes because of mature political consciousness among the Jats.

They cannot be befooled by the minor concessions given by this party or that.

Commentators are requested to remember that Haryana Lok Dal led Government implemented the Gurnam Singh Commission Report to grant Jat reservation in the state but did not garner their votes in 1990's.

Therefore, as usual, local leaders and policies, programmes and performances of various political parties in multifarious fields will earn ballot support of the Jats.

As an academician, do you really think that this is a minor concession ? Further by saying it you seem to mean that it has been a minor demand from the Jat community as well ?

Its true that Devilal's party had garnered it 90s but how come their species and grand species are still hell bent on ''economic based reservation''. ? Is that not fooling jat community after being tagged as pro-jat party for years ?

 

[samarkadian]

I don't see anything wrong in Satyapal Singh's statement. Before laughing, one should see the context of the statement. Being an union aviation minister Ajit Singh pressurized central Congress goverment to find his lost ground in West UP Jat Belt. So we can't give the credit of Jat reservation to Congress. All effort was of Ajit Singh. He knows that he had made a big mistake not to take a stand for Jats during the Muzaffarnagar riots. Now, he is struggling to win a lost battle. He has lost faith of Jats in west UP because of his stand on riots.

I see that you don't see that Jats are not found in Western UP alone. Its laughable to understand your point that instead of welcoming the decision ex cop is trying to gain attention. Yes Ajit's was not there in riots but I dont see anything wrong in damage control.

It's true that after Muzaffarnagar riots, Jat Leader Ajit Singh is struggling to find his base in his own constituency "Bagpat". Satyapal Singh is likely to contest in general election against Ajit Singh. BJP is now enjoying a great spport in wetstern UP Jat belt on the ground of last year riot where Jats were directly targeted by state goverment and BJP was the only party that stood behind the Jats and have helped them in the hour of crisis and stood by them through thick and thin.

Stood by how? Anytime their prime ministerial candidate spoke of Jats in Mujjafarnagr ? What if community came to know that infact it was choreographed by BJP or BSP in hindsight of polarizing Jat votes?


Jat reservation is just a damage control by Ajits Singh's RLD and Congress.

Western UP Jats are now finding a hope in BJP and Modi because they have realized neither RLD nor Congress supproted them when it was needed.

Nowadays state goverment is filing riot cases and arresting the inncoent JATs in Muzaffarnagar which raising a huge dissatifaction amongst the Jats. You can feel a wave of Modi and BJP in west UP because Jats are believing that only BJP and Modi can save them from this injustice but only time will tell the reality whether Modi would be able to help Jats.

How BJP is being helpful to those innocent youth when they are being arrested and framed? any statement anywhere? Any protest ?

The timing of Jat reservation is just to counter the impact of BJP and Modi on West UP Jats.

Since I was brought up in Muzaffarnagar and have a good understanding of West UP Jat politics . So if Satyapal Singh is saying that Jats have got reservation because of Modi then nothing wrong in his statement beacuse RLD and Congress would not like to see that Jats are voting for Modi.

I'm agree on this that OBC reservation definitly will help Jat people in central govt. employment but we Jat are known for our self respect and pride. So we (me for sure) can't support such parties that are compromising with our community honor. I can't be selfish on this. They have given OBC reservation just for their political benefits not for our betterment.

I would like to see more thoughtful and deep analysis of one's statement before making fun of others by our respected forum members.

You will see more deep thoughts and analysis provided you don't see it with BJP specs. How come Jat respect and pride is safe with BJP? How ?

It might be political benefit by congress but surely after 3 months you see the DU admission list and PMT list. You will know.

 

[avinashb]

So far as Haryana and to a large extent the support of Jat Community spread over various other states is concerned, no party can be sole claimant of their votes because of mature political consciousness among the Jats.

They cannot be befooled by the minor concessions given by this party or that.

Commentators are requested to remember that Haryana Lok Dal led Government implemented the Gurnam Singh Commission Report to grant Jat reservation in the state but did not garner their votes in 1990's.

Therefore, as usual, local leaders and policies, programmes and performances of various political parties in multifarious fields will earn ballot support of the Jats.

Sir there is difference between Ch. Devilal ji and Om Prakash Chautala ji and similarly Ch. Charan Singh ji and Ajit Singh ji.
Ch. Devilal and Ch. Charan Singh were leader of Jats while their sons could not properly carry forward their legacy.

There is difference between "Being Jat and Helping Jat".

Gurnam Singh Commission report was implemented by Master Hukum Singh ji and then next CM Bhajanlal cancelled the notification.
After that there were 2 Jat CMs viz. Ch. Bansilal and Ch. OP Chautala.There were CMs from their own party.Unlike Hooda,there was no need to take permission from the party High command to implement Jat reservation .But they did not do anything on Jat Reservation issue.

In Haryana,Jat reservation issue took violent form in 2010 and our CM was able to implement it within 4 years.The procedure was delayed by Central Government and NCBC not by our CM.

We must also see that Gujjars are demanding 5% special reservation in Rajasthan since 2007 and even more than 70 Gujjar supporters died during agitation but today also they are not able to get the reservation.

 

[desijat]

i'm agree on this that obc reservation definitly will help jat people in central govt. Employment but we jat are known for our self respect and pride. So we (me for sure) can't support such parties that are compromising with our community honor. I can't be selfish on this. They have given obc reservation just for their political benefits not for our betterment.

I would like to see more thoughtful and deep analysis of one's statement before making fun of others by our respected forum members.

आयुष भाई

मैं भी आप कि तरह था कुछ साल पहले तक - जाट ये है, जाट वो है, हमारी नाक नीची हो जायेगी आरक्षण मिला तो ऐसा वैसा.. फिर २ चीज़े हुई और उन्होंने मेरा नजरिया बदला, पढ़िए शायद आप का भी बदल जाये:

१) आरक्षण से झटका, मैंने पहले भी लिखा है देखिये डिटेल मैं पर मुझे एक तरह से मेरी कॉलेज कि सीट गंवानी पड़ी थी अछे नंबर होने के बावजूद क्यूंकि जाट obc नहीं थे

२) मैंने जाटलैंड पे आना शुरू कर दिए- चौंकिएगा मत पर अनुभव बड़ा ही मजेदार रहा, ये जाटलैंड पे में दूसरी पारी है - पहली पारी मैं इतनी राजनीति नहीं थी पर लोगो मैं अहम् बहुत था, और अहम् किस बात का? सिर्फ जाट होने का . मुझे भी बड़ा अहम् था मैं जाट हूँ पर जब मैंने लोगो को करीब से जानना शुरू किआ तो पता चला सब खोखला पन है ये अहम्.. कुछ लोग तो ऐसे भी मिले जिन्हे शायद जाट कहने मैं भी शर्म आये, पर आप उनसे बात करोगे तो जाट होने पे ऐसा गर्व महसूस करेंगे जैसे उन्होंने इसे कमाया हो

जो लोग इस चौधराहट का बीड़ा उठा के घूमते है वो असल ज़िन्दगी मैं कुछ नहीं करते, कभी मौका लगे तो एक बार उनसे मिलियेगा जो जाटो के लिए कुछ करते है और ज्यादा दूर जेन कि जरुरत है भाई हमारे यहाँ ही कुछ महँ लोग है जिन्होंने आरक्षण के लिए जी जान लगा दी, समर कादियान - भारती जी - रविंदर सूरा - किसी से भी एक बार मिल लिए भाई

हम अहम् मैं खो कर अपनी चौधराहट को सर पे ले कर नाचते है और ऐसे में बनिया बहमन बर्गे लोग हमारा कब फ़ायदा उठा जाते है पता भी नहीं चलता. आप नए है, थोडा फोरम को फॉलो करिए पता चलेगा...

 

[ayushkadyan]

I want to expose the real face of so called Jat oriented parties to all of you in the context of Muzaffarnagar riots.
I hope most of our forum member will be agree with this fact that Muzaffarnagar is always been a center of Jat ideology, khaps and Akhil Bhartiya Jat Mahasabha was founded in Muzaffarnagar.
Muzaffarnagar has same importance for Jats like Dar-ul-ulum has for muslims. Muzaffarnagar dango mein Jat apne swabhimaan ke liye lade jab rajya sarkar khuleaam muslimo ko support kar rahi thi..Muje dukh hai aaj reservation ki aad mein hum un partiyo ka samarthan karne ki soch rahe hai jo dango ko BJP aur SP ki sajish batati hai. Sabko ye fikr h kahi unka muslim vote bank na khisak jaye. Main witness raha hu us ghatna ka jab mahapanchayat se wapas aate hue nihathe jaato ko hazaro muslimo ki bheed ne kaat daala..koi baat nhi karta uski..jat mare to mare par muslim na mare..main kehta hu ke BJP ne agar political benefit k liye Jaato ka saath diya to kam se kam wo un partiyo ki tarah dogli to nahi h jo ek taraf reservation dekar apne ko Jato ko humdurd batati h lekin muzaffarnagar mein jaato ke sath kya hua kuch nahi bolti..kya hum jat itne swarthi ho gaye h ki apne fayde ke liye apni ijjat daanv pe lagade..You can say me a Jat Fundamentalist but i cnt support such parties that treat jats just a vote bank bcz no party can't take risk of losing muslim vote by favoring Jats openly in UP except BJP. Haryana ki baat ye h ke yaha muslim itne nahi ki jo election mein mass level pe effect daal sake..isliye yaha pe wohi congress jaato ke benefit ki baat karti h...kyoki yaha unhe muslim vote se fark nahi padta..Think over it...I can vote for Congress if it shows the courage of being a true supporter of jats at cost of losing muslim vote bank in UP.

 

[ayushkadyan]

Mera man na hai ke OBC reservation se kahi bhi jaato ka pride kum nahi hota.. Balki ye to bahot pehle mil jana chahiye tha..Hum sab jante h ke aaj bhi 80% jat farming se jude h..isliye limited resource ki wajah se reservation jaroori ho jata h..mera objection bus iski timing aur credit ko leke h...ye to political parties ko der saver dena hi padta wo chahe Congress ho ya BJP..Humein ye nahi bhoolna chahiye Jat OBC reservation ko BJP ne UP se shuru kiya tha jo aaj center tak mil gaya h..we all jats should welcome this reservation..ultimately it will help in empowerment of our community in future...lekin koi ye na kahe ke congress ne diya h ab jabki general election sar pe h wo bhi Ajit Singh ke dabav mein...10 saal mein inhe jaato ki yaad nahi aayi...Jaato ka support bus waha tak jab tak muslim vote na jaye..Ab hum jaato ko selfish hoke congress ko batana chahiye ke humare saath jo west UP mein hua aur ho raha h usko aap reservation se compensate nahi kar sakte..matlab no vote for congress nd SP...jab tak muzaffarnagar mein jaato pe farzi case wapas nahi liye jaate..We should show our unity on this issue..

 

[abhikrana]

Good point.

All those false and frivolous cases filed against Jats in Muzaffarnagar should be taken back. It is time for the community to stand together on this.

Mera man na hai ke OBC reservation se kahi bhi jaato ka pride kum nahi hota.. Balki ye to bahot pehle mil jana chahiye tha..Hum sab jante h ke aaj bhi 80% jat farming se jude h..isliye limited resource ki wajah se reservation jaroori ho jata h..mera objection bus iski timing aur credit ko leke h...ye to political parties ko der saver dena hi padta wo chahe Congress ho ya BJP..Humein ye nahi bhoolna chahiye Jat OBC reservation ko BJP ne UP se shuru kiya tha jo aaj center tak mil gaya h..we all jats should welcome this reservation..ultimately it will help in empowerment of our community in future...lekin koi ye na kahe ke congress ne diya h ab jabki general election sar pe h wo bhi Ajit Singh ke dabav mein...10 saal mein inhe jaato ki yaad nahi aayi...Jaato ka support bus waha tak jab tak muslim vote na jaye..Ab hum jaato ko selfish hoke congress ko batana chahiye ke humare saath jo west UP mein hua aur ho raha h usko aap reservation se compensate nahi kar sakte..matlab no vote for congress nd SP...jab tak muzaffarnagar mein jaato pe farzi case wapas nahi liye jaate..We should show our unity on this issue..

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Sir there is difference between Ch. Devilal ji and Om Prakash Chautala ji and similarly Ch. Charan Singh ji and Ajit Singh ji.
Ch. Devilal and Ch. Charan Singh were leader of Jats while their sons could not properly carry forward their legacy.

There is difference between "Being Jat and Helping Jat".

Gurnam Singh Commission report was implemented by Master Hukum Singh ji and then next CM Bhajanlal cancelled the notification.
After that there were 2 Jat CMs viz. Ch. Bansilal and Ch. OP Chautala.There were CMs from their own party.Unlike Hooda,there was no need to take permission from the party High command to implement Jat reservation .But they did not do anything on Jat Reservation issue.

In Haryana,Jat reservation issue took violent form in 2010 and our CM was able to implement it within 4 years.The procedure was delayed by Central Government and NCBC not by our CM.

We must also see that Gujjars are demanding 5% special reservation in Rajasthan since 2007 and even more than 70 Gujjar supporters died during agitation but today also they are not able to get the reservation.

Friend,

Ch. Hukam Singh occupied the post of CM vacated by Ch. OP Chautala, both belonged to Lok Dal and implemented the Gurnam Singh Commission Report. The Commission was appointed when Ch. OP Chautala was president of Haryana unit of Lok Dal and he got the recommendations of the Gurnam Singh Commission report implemented through the State Chief Minister.

It is worth note that Lok Dal government had decided to include the Jats in Backward category which had about 27% quota of reservation.

Then some Brahmin group went to court against its implementation and ultimately the Congress government led by Bhajan Lal scuttled the move to provide reservation to the Jats.

After sustained efforts of the Jat leaders and sacrifices of some people for reservation cause and cases against a large number of pro reservation, the Congress gave reservation of about 1 or 2 percent seats to the Jats and also bestowed benefit to other 4 communities which had never struggled for it, clubbed with them.

Ultimately, B S Hooda led government succumbing to the pressure of other communities have created a special OBC category in the State which provides reservation of 5% seats and 10% seats for class I and rest 2nd and 3rd class seats respectively for five castes including the Jats therein.

This means the Jats, Rods, Bisnois, Jutt Sikhs and one more caste candidates will have to fight out for getting 5 seats or 10 seats in reserved categories out of 100 seats as and when advertised by the State Government to be filled up.

This is the magical number of reservation provided to the Jats of Haryana for which the Congress demands repayment from the community in the form of votes ! Do they deserve it or not, is the million pound question before the Jats of Haryana.

Would the Bisnois or say Rods, Jutt Sikhs also push the button of EVMs in favour of Congress for this benefit equally provided to them, has to be seen in the coming days.

Thanks and regards

 

[desijat]

their prime ministerial candidate spoke of Jats in Mujjafarnagr ? [/B][/B]What if community came to know that infact it was choreographed by BJP or BSP in hindsight of polarizing Jat votes?

Picture speaks a thousand words

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/bjp-sp-honour-riot-accused/article5375981.ece

 

[abhikrana]

Congress has a history of going back on its promises.

Best example is One Rank One Pension. After the recently announced cabinet approval for One Rank One Pension, it has hit a road block at the Finance Ministry.

Hence, Congress has played a clever trick. It has fooled the ex-servicemen by making the announcement, but at the same time in a pre-planned move stopped the proposal at the Finance Ministry. The benefit to Congress would be that most of the ex-servicemen would NOT know that they will not be getting the one rank one pension ultimately. They will only remember the cabinet approval announcement and vote for this clever and cunning Congress.

Same thing is going to happen with Jat reservation. If we forget Muzaffarnagar and still vote for Congress and it's Chappu (SP) or Pappu (BSP), shame on us.

 

[abhikrana]

I am proud of and thankful to these gentlemen. They stood by my Jat brothers in their hour of need when the OTHERS were crying for the perpetrators of riots.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

What a fantastic thinking about the Jat community as a whole that the community would fall in line to vote Congress only because the Congress has put them in the list of backward classes at centre!!!

The community also wants to know have the cases against the persons involved in the Jat Reservation Movement registered at various places in Haryana been withdrawn and also has there been any action initiated against the persons involved in killing of the agitator Jats !

 

[desijat]

I am proud of and thankful to these gentlemen. They stood by my Jat brothers in their hour of need when the OTHERS were crying for the perpetrators of riots.

You thank petrol for being in the fire?