None, though I can't condemn AAP yet. And that's the whole point. They are all the same. Its our own internal biases and perceptions which make us choose one over the other.
Should Jats Vote to Congress Now after getting OBC Reservation ?
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We need to ask few questions to ourselves.
Who fought this battle for the reservation? Jats Vs (Cong) Government
Who won the battle at last? Jats
Who got defeated? (Cong) Government
So where this question of rewarding our opponents, in this battle, does comes from?
Do we want to reward them to show that instead of fighting we fell to their feet and pleaded for a decade; and that the (government) party finally took mercy (for return of votes) on us?
.. and I wonder when people call themselves "Jats - the heros", "Jats - the warriors" ????
Who fought this battle for the reservation? Jats Vs (Cong) Government
Who won the battle at last? Jats
Who got defeated? (Cong) Government
So where this question of rewarding our opponents, in this battle, does comes from?
Do we want to reward them to show that instead of fighting we fell to their feet and pleaded for a decade; and that the (government) party finally took mercy (for return of votes) on us?
.. and I wonder when people call themselves "Jats - the heros", "Jats - the warriors" ????
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भाई हमारे कुछ भाई जो कांग्रेस के लिए वोट माँग रहे हे उनके हिसाब से कांग्रेस ने आरक्षण देकर अहसान किया हे और जाट कभी अहसान फरामोश नही हो सकता. उन्होने तो आरक्षण मिलने से पहले ही कांग्रेस के गुणगान शुरू कर दिए थे.
तेरी सोच थोड़ी अलग हे. उनका मंत्र हे के सत्ता के साथ रहके ही क़ौम के काम करवाए जा सकते हे उसका विरोध करके नही. उनका मानना हे के छोटू राम जी की भी यही सोच थी. जैसे छोटू राम साब ने अँग्रेज़ों के साथ रहके क़ौम के लिए अपने काम निकलवाए
तेरी सोच थोड़ी अलग हे. उनका मंत्र हे के सत्ता के साथ रहके ही क़ौम के काम करवाए जा सकते हे उसका विरोध करके नही. उनका मानना हे के छोटू राम जी की भी यही सोच थी. जैसे छोटू राम साब ने अँग्रेज़ों के साथ रहके क़ौम के लिए अपने काम निकलवाए
Issue in Haryana is not development,corruption or inflation.It is just Jat vs Non-Jat Factor.
In Haryana,BJP+HJC never supported Jat reservation.
Whenever media asked about whether they would support Jat Reservation proposal of Congress,they said their is NAMO wave. Jat Reservation is useless,it won't help Congress. This alliance will give non-Jat CM in Haryana and don't forget the anti-Jat policies of Bhajanlal.
INLD never openly supported Jat Reservation,they never took a permanent stand on Jat Reservation.Now they started advocating economic based reservation. When Hooda was giving SBC quota to Jats,INLD did not utter a single a word. But when Venod Sharma of Congress party raised issue of economic reservation for 4 castes of General Category,INLD blindly and openly suppported EBP quota for Brahman,Rajput,Punjabi and Baniya.
After Jats were given OBC quota at centre level,Ranbir Singh Gangwa,Rajya Sabha MP of INLD gave a statement in Bahadurgarh that Jats have been given reservation in a wrong way.Jat Reservation Notification must be withdrawn.Shame on INLD for giving a ticket to Ahir from Bhiwani-Mahendergarh Lok Sabha constituency.Other Jat Candidates of INLD are also weak in comparison to Congress party.During his tenure of CM from 1999-2005,Om Prakash Chautala took so many pro-Jat decisions that Jats swayed away from INLD and gave votes to Congress in 2005 Vidhan Sabha elections despite knowing that Bhajanlal is going to be next CM of Haryana.But Jats were fortunate that Congress gave a Jat CM in Haryana. Today also majority of Jats are with Congress in comparison to INLD. INLD is more worried about non-Jat votes than Jat votes.
At present,Congress party of Haryana is a Jat Centrist party.It is full of Jat leaders. From Last 8-10 years,Bhupendra Singh Hooda ji never allowed any non-Jat to dominate in Congress,whether it be Bhajanlal,Rao Inderjeet or Shelja.Either these leaders were ousted from the party or they were not allowed to suppress Jats. I did not see any kind kind of anti-Jat decision in Hooda led Congress government.
In Haryana,BJP+HJC never supported Jat reservation.
Whenever media asked about whether they would support Jat Reservation proposal of Congress,they said their is NAMO wave. Jat Reservation is useless,it won't help Congress. This alliance will give non-Jat CM in Haryana and don't forget the anti-Jat policies of Bhajanlal.
INLD never openly supported Jat Reservation,they never took a permanent stand on Jat Reservation.Now they started advocating economic based reservation. When Hooda was giving SBC quota to Jats,INLD did not utter a single a word. But when Venod Sharma of Congress party raised issue of economic reservation for 4 castes of General Category,INLD blindly and openly suppported EBP quota for Brahman,Rajput,Punjabi and Baniya.
After Jats were given OBC quota at centre level,Ranbir Singh Gangwa,Rajya Sabha MP of INLD gave a statement in Bahadurgarh that Jats have been given reservation in a wrong way.Jat Reservation Notification must be withdrawn.Shame on INLD for giving a ticket to Ahir from Bhiwani-Mahendergarh Lok Sabha constituency.Other Jat Candidates of INLD are also weak in comparison to Congress party.During his tenure of CM from 1999-2005,Om Prakash Chautala took so many pro-Jat decisions that Jats swayed away from INLD and gave votes to Congress in 2005 Vidhan Sabha elections despite knowing that Bhajanlal is going to be next CM of Haryana.But Jats were fortunate that Congress gave a Jat CM in Haryana. Today also majority of Jats are with Congress in comparison to INLD. INLD is more worried about non-Jat votes than Jat votes.
At present,Congress party of Haryana is a Jat Centrist party.It is full of Jat leaders. From Last 8-10 years,Bhupendra Singh Hooda ji never allowed any non-Jat to dominate in Congress,whether it be Bhajanlal,Rao Inderjeet or Shelja.Either these leaders were ousted from the party or they were not allowed to suppress Jats. I did not see any kind kind of anti-Jat decision in Hooda led Congress government.
I am surprised you did not see any anti-Jat steps taken by the govt. of Sh. Hooda.
Have you forgotten lathicharge and use of brute force against women and elderly Jat reservation protesters? Have you forgotten the lives lost in the fight for this cause? Have you forgotten the cases that are supposedly still pending in various courts against Jat reservation protesters?
Have you forgotten how the land of farmers has been forcefully acquired for gifting to Wadhra?
Jat reservation though a welcome step is nothing more than a pre-election lollipop which in all likelihood will be struck down by the courts and which the Congress knew in hindsight.
If it's Jats Vs. Non-Jats, INLD is a much better option at the state politics level.
Have you forgotten lathicharge and use of brute force against women and elderly Jat reservation protesters? Have you forgotten the lives lost in the fight for this cause? Have you forgotten the cases that are supposedly still pending in various courts against Jat reservation protesters?
Have you forgotten how the land of farmers has been forcefully acquired for gifting to Wadhra?
Jat reservation though a welcome step is nothing more than a pre-election lollipop which in all likelihood will be struck down by the courts and which the Congress knew in hindsight.
If it's Jats Vs. Non-Jats, INLD is a much better option at the state politics level.
I have little knowledge about Harayana politics but if runs on Jat-Non Jat theory than we should vote for INLD.
But this time election will decide the PM so choose wisely. Remember if you vote for congress you gonna have Pappu as PM and if you vote for AAP who knows you have Nautanki Khujli as our short term PM.
But this time election will decide the PM so choose wisely. Remember if you vote for congress you gonna have Pappu as PM and if you vote for AAP who knows you have Nautanki Khujli as our short term PM.
Ajay Singh Chautala Bhiwani se Lok Sabha Election ladte the ..Vo bhai Sahab Jail mein hai... Is baar Yadav ko ticket de di Bhiwani se ... Kyon doon main Ahir ko vote .. Mujhe pagal kutte ne kaat rakha hai ..I have little knowledge about Harayana politics but if runs on Jat-Non Jat theory than we should vote for INLD.
But this time election will decide the PM so choose wisely. Remember if you vote for congress you gonna have Pappu as PM and if you vote for AAP who knows you have Nautanki Khujli as our short term PM.
INLD is just led by Jat ... It is no more a pro-Jat party ...Its leaders are opposing Jat reservation now... Shoshit Samaj who is opposing Jat Reservation,there representatives are being sent to Rajya Sabha by INLD.. There is difference between Being Jat and helping Jat ..
INLD is now focussing on non-Jat votes instead of Jat votes
I don't vote for Rahul Gandhi or Modi,I just vote for Jat because I know if anti-Jat leaders get elected then Jats will get ruined. Don't forget the era of Bhajanlal regime.
Wasn't aware, Ok! Bhai Ahir, Brahmin ya Jat ko vote dene se kuch na hoga. tere vote se koi Jat PM banega?
Nahi na, then aim and support the one whom you want to see as PM. This time your vote will decide PM not CM.
Mind it !
Nahi na, then aim and support the one whom you want to see as PM. This time your vote will decide PM not CM.
Mind it !
Can you just elaborate the pro-Jat steps taken by INLD ?
During the tenure of 1999-2005,Om Prakash Chautala ji took so many good steps for Jats that in 2005,all the Jats swayed away from INLD.During 2005 Vidhan Sabha,INLD could bag only 9 seats out of which 8 were from reserved constituencies and ony OP Chautala was Jat MLA. The reason was that Jats were very happy with INLD regime that they preferred voting for Congress where it was predicted that Bhajanlal(enemy of Jats) would be next CM.But we were lucky enough that we got Jat CM.
As far as firing during Jat reservation is concerned,Hoodi ji took best possible steps so that no Jat brother is hurt/injured/expired. Firing on Jats was unfortunate and we lost 2 Jat brothers. Don't forget SP Subhash Yadav who shot one of our Jat brother was suspended by our CM. Yadavs called Mahapanchayat and termed CM as anti-Yadav but Hoodi did not move away from his decision.Even Ajay Yadav urged Hooda to remove the suspension of SP Subhash Yadav but Hooda did not listen him.
Violent agitation for Jat reservation started in 2010 and by 2014 we got Jat reservation at both state and centre level.We lost only 2 Jat brothers.
Gujjar agitation for 5% special quota in Rajasthan started in 2007,they lost 70 people and till today they are unable to get the reservation despite the fact that Gujjars of Rajasthan received massive support from Gujjars of other states also like Haryana and UP.
Now about Land Acquisition by Hooda Government,I agree that this is a wrong step by Hooda but do remember the land which was given to Vadra don't consists of land of Jats only,land of Ahir,Gujjars and Rajputs was also acquired. Moreover land of Gurgaon is not so fertile as that of Rohtak/Sonepat/Karnal. Land of majority of Jats was not given to Vadra and the land was acquired for development purposes.Whether it be for IIM or Thermal plant or Education city or Highways.
But still I don't support Hooda for blindly acquisition of Land.
INLD is no more a Jat favourable party.If he had been a pro-Jat party then today instead of Hooda Om Prakash Chautala would have been fecilitated by Jat Mahapanchayat in Narwana.
INLD has given ticket to Ahir(Yadav) from Bhiwani-Mahendergarh,why should I give vote to it ?
Giving vote to Jat candidates of HJC+BJP coalition means ultimately giving vote to anti-Jat forces.
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Vidhan Sabha Election in Haryana is just 2-3 months after Lok Sabha elections.It is evident from the history that Lok Sabha results have direct impact on Vidhan Sabha results.
My focus is only on 4 Jat dominated seats (Rohtak,Sonepat,Hisar and Bhiwani-Mahedergarh) of Haryana from where Congress has given tickets to strong Jat candidates.
From Rohtak and Sonepat,victory of Congress is sure-shot as it has large population of Jats and due to Hooda factor.No NAMO wave on these 2 seats.
From Bhiwani-Mahendergarh,INLD has given ticket to Ahir,again no sense of giving vote to INLD.Ahirs are staunch enemies of Jats.They neve support/favour Jats.Moreover after Jat reservation,they are more annoyed with Jats.
From Hisar,Kuldeep Bishnoi(Biggest threat to Jat community) is BJP+HJC candidate. Prof. Sampat Singh is Congess candidate who left INLD in 2009 because Chautala did not help him in 2009 Lok Sabha elections due to fixing between Bhajanlal and Chautala and he consequenty lost to Bhajanlal(father of Kuldeep Bishnoi) by mere 6000 votes.
Whether Dushyat Chautala wins from Hisar or Sampat Singh(who in my view is better candidate) wins,defeat of Kuldeep Bishnoi is must from Hisar.
From rest 6 seats of Haryana,I don't mind Jats giving votes to any party.Same is the case for constituencies of other states where Jat voters are present.
The only criteria for you to vote for Congress is that it has made a Jat the CM. Whether that Jat CM bows down infront of Madam, you don't care. Whether that Jat CM forcefully acquires agricultural land and gifts it to the son-in-law of the party, you don't care.
Reservation or no reservation, Jats are a part of this larger society. Tomorrow if God forbid, Congress comes to power - it will pass its favourite Communal Violence Bill and if that happens your (and also mine) future generations will not forgive us for strengthening the hands of this Communal party which can stoop to any level to stay in power.
Reservation was the right of the community and Congress has done no favour by giving reservation. Giving reservation cannot wash away the sins of the Congress party which stood side-by-side with people who killed Jat brothers in Muzaffarnagar. If you still want to vote for the Congress party, you can do so. After all, it's your right.
Reservation or no reservation, Jats are a part of this larger society. Tomorrow if God forbid, Congress comes to power - it will pass its favourite Communal Violence Bill and if that happens your (and also mine) future generations will not forgive us for strengthening the hands of this Communal party which can stoop to any level to stay in power.
Reservation was the right of the community and Congress has done no favour by giving reservation. Giving reservation cannot wash away the sins of the Congress party which stood side-by-side with people who killed Jat brothers in Muzaffarnagar. If you still want to vote for the Congress party, you can do so. After all, it's your right.
Indian democracy does NOT vote for PM but local candidate
Jab sadake tuti hongi ya paani nahi ayega to PM Ke pass jaoge ya apne local candidate ke pass? Jab Jat samaj ko koi shoshit karega to JAt MP ke pass jaoge ya non-jat PM ke pass?
Jab sadake tuti hongi ya paani nahi ayega to PM Ke pass jaoge ya apne local candidate ke pass? Jab Jat samaj ko koi shoshit karega to JAt MP ke pass jaoge ya non-jat PM ke pass?
Better to choose a Jat CM who cares for community than choose a Pichda PM who bows before the Brahmin kachadharis
For your knowledge Local roads and water are responsibility of Parshad not MP or MLA. In a colony Jats live together with other community. Roads and Water are provided at same rate for everyone. Parshad doesn't put extra cement in front of Jat House.
Soshit to hume Congress kar rahi he 60 saal se bata kiske paas jayen ab?
My post was with reference to the elections of central government. On the state level, I somewhat agree. Your story is half baked. The fact is that Sh Hooda didn't even allow Jats, (like Smt Kiren) to dominate in the party. On the other hand, he did neutralize the Bhajanlal factor in the party.
That is what you think I meant by local candidate? Let me break out more- people choose MLA, MP for their own communities benefit and not vote for PM, hope tat is clear now.
Thank you for enlighting me, could you also define where do MPs and MLAs spend their budget on if they dont build road, sewage etc etc.
So MP, MLA build Roads and sewerage?