Should Jats Vote to Congress Now after getting OBC Reservation ?

[samarkadian]

Samar,
How you evaluate Rohtak seat now? Since both the candidates are jats(bjp,congress), who you think is the best of two(profile wise)?

I think OP Dhankhar is purely Anti-Jat. He has been with RSS since long long time. In last assembly election he coudn't save his zamanat. Further he was made something of farmer's cell in BJP but nobody heard anything from him. He got this ticket because Capt Abhimanyu saved himself. Deepender has been instrumental in Jat reservation at central level. OP Dhankhar never had a say on that.

Another view of profiling Rohtak seat is by looking the way BJP played at Sonepat seat. A bahman from a Jat dominant constituency. An Anti-Jat politics.

 

[samarkadian]

No man is island in oneself !

How about Ch devi Lal. You wrote a book on him.

 

[prikshit]

I think OP Dhankhar is purely Anti-Jat. He has been with RSS since long long time. In last assembly election he coudn't save his zamanat. Further he was made something of farmer's cell in BJP but nobody heard anything from him. He got this ticket because Capt Abhimanyu saved himself. Deepender has been instrumental in Jat reservation at central level. OP Dhankhar never had a say on that.

Another view of profiling Rohtak seat is by looking the way BJP played at Sonepat seat. A bahman from a Jat dominant constituency. An Anti-Jat politics.

I somewhat agree to you. Ticket distribution is Haryana has given Congress a chance to retain some seats (esp Sonepat, but looking at the division of jat votes among other candidates they have fielded a bahman) Sangwan would have been a good bet for BJP. Lets see how it goes, but yes current ticket distribution has given me a ground to ponder whom should i vote for...

 

[samarkadian]

I don't think that everyone vote on caste basis in lok sabha. By the way there are lot of Jats who were loyal to Bhajan Lal and some of them are still loyal to Kuldeep. The reason many are leaving him now is because he is useless.

Then you might think wrong about it Vipin.


Do you know Jats who are still loyal to Kuldeep? Those would be the biggest traitor of the kaum if that is so.

to bhi satta to NDA ki hi aane ke aasaar hai..fer congress ke paachhe laagge ka ke faayda sai...?

NDA ke pacche lagne k koi nuksaan nahi bhai Prashant ?

 

[avinashb]

Dear Jatlanders
I have been an active member of this group since last 1.5 months. I have written more than 50 posts but today all the posts of mine are being moderated and deleted.
I have always written the posts that promote unity and brotherhood among Jat fellows but today continuously my posts are being deleted and the same reason of Inappropriate Language is given.Various rules and regulations are being imposed on me. I feel suffocated in these conditions. The post is inappropriate or not,this decision must be taken by the members of the forum,not by few moderators. In my personal view,moderator must be allowed to delete posts after discussion with members.after all we live in a democratic country.

I have taken the decision of taking a long break from this forum.Meet you after Lok Sabha Election results are declared.
Take care of your health.
Jai Hind,Jai Jat

 

[samarkadian]

Avinash, your post count is showing 58 so I dont think your all posts are deleted. But yes your last post was devoid of any personal abuse or comment to Virender Mann. It didn't look a subject of deletion. Many times our posts got deleted. Don't take that hard. Its plateform for jats we should write irrespective of such minor incidents. Come on!! Cheer up!! Ab hume Bhiwani ki khabre kon dega wahan se.!! Keep on writing, my personal request.

Dear Jatlanders
I have been an active member of this group since last 1.5 months. I have written more than 50 posts but today all the posts of mine are being moderated and deleted.
I have always written the posts that promote unity and brotherhood among Jat fellows but today continuously my posts are being deleted and the same reason of Inappropriate Language is given.Various rules and regulations are being imposed on me. I feel suffocated in these conditions. The post is inappropriate or not,this decision must be taken by the members of the forum,not by few moderators. In my personal view,moderator must be allowed to delete posts after discussion with members.after all we live in a democratic country.

I have taken the decision of taking a long break from this forum.Meet you after Lok Sabha Election results are declared.
Take care of your health.
Jai Hind,Jai Jat

 

[virj]

Then you might think wrong about it Vipin.


Do you know Jats who are still loyal to Kuldeep? Those would be the biggest traitor of the kaum if that is so.



NDA ke pacche lagne k koi nuksaan nahi bhai Prashant ?

I know for a fact that people don't always vote on caste basis. Many do but not all. This is a myth propagated by political parties.

Yes I personally know Jats who were loyal to Bhajan Lal and also those whose are still loyal to Kuldeep. Bhajan and Kuldeep did help them in the past and nothing wrong if they are loyal to them. They might be traitor in your eyes but then again that is just your perception.

 

[samarkadian]

Fair enough, perception for perception.

If you find nothing wrong about Jats who are still loyal to Kuldeep because he has helped them then on that basis its not wrong either that Jats vote to congress or Hooda because they have helped them with reservation.

I know for a fact that people don't always vote on caste basis. Many do but not all. This is a myth propagated by political parties.

Yes I personally know Jats who were loyal to Bhajan Lal and also those whose are still loyal to Kuldeep. Bhajan and Kuldeep did help them in the past and nothing wrong if they are loyal to them. They might be traitor in your eyes but then again that is just your perception.

 

[virj]

Fair enough, perception for perception.

If you find nothing wrong about Jats who are still loyal to Kuldeep because he has helped them then on that basis its not wrong either that Jats vote to congress or Hooda because they have helped them with reservation.

Good Point but then in your eyes they are still traitor.

One thing I don't understand here is did Congress gave us reservation because of love or did we struggle and forced them to give us reservation ?

The way you are putting it looks like they did ashann on us and now we should repay that debt. Those who feel like that should definitely vote for Congress but those who don't shouldn't feel any obligation.

 

[vikrantchodhary]

Being kids of brave soldiers & generous farmers sacrifice your one vote to Congress for that great lady to vote-in again.

Good Point but then in your eyes they are still traitor.

One thing I don't understand here is did Congress gave us reservation because of love or did we struggle and forced them to give us reservation ?

The way you are putting it looks like they did ashann on us and now we should repay that debt. Those who feel like that should definitely vote for Congress but those who don't shouldn't feel any obligation.

 

[samarkadian]

Good Point but then in your eyes they are still traitor.

One thing I don't understand here is did Congress gave us reservation because of love or did we struggle and forced them to give us reservation ?

The way you are putting it looks like they did ashann on us and now we should repay that debt. Those who feel like that should definitely vote for Congress but those who don't shouldn't feel any obligation.

In a way both but to know that from close, one got to be involved. However, its so easy in any matter for me or you or anybody to criticise anything. I see this event as an emergence of a Jat leadership where as you see this as mere chamchagiri. Roshomoon Effect.

 

[virj]

In a way both but to know that from close, one got to be involved. However, its so easy in any matter for me or you or anybody to criticise anything. I see this event as an emergence of a Jat leadership where as you see this as mere chamchagiri. Roshomoon Effect.

Totally agree that its easy to criticise and one has to get involved to know the facts. But then people are asking whole community to vote for Congress so community has all right to be cynic and ask questions till they are satisfied.

Its the job of the marketeer to highlight all positive things about his products and its the nature of consumer to critically evaluate the negatives because marketeer will tell you all good things anyway.

Some people argue that its congress who gave us reservation. True but then it was britishers who gave us freedom however only after 400 years of inhumane treatment and exploitation and not to forget we did struggle for it. They gave us freedom not because of love but because they had to. Its up to an individual how he look at the Britishers with a sense of obligation or hatred !

 

[samarkadian]

Totally agree that its easy to criticise and one has to get involved to know the facts. But then people are asking whole community to vote for Congress so community has all right to be cynic and ask questions till they are satisfied.

Its the job of the marketeer to highlight all positive things about his products and its the nature of consumer to critically evaluate the negatives because marketeer will tell you all good things anyway.

Some people argue that its congress who gave us reservation. True but then it was britishers who gave us freedom however only after 400 years of inhumane treatment and exploitation and not to forget we did struggle for it. They gave us freedom not because of love but because they had to. Its up to an individual how he look at the Britishers with a sense of obligation or hatred !

Politics alike Cinema is basically ride on emotions more than facts. But the single fact and a strong emotion I could understand in my little life is that reservation is near to panacea for a jat family. Beyond that I may falter in my mental capability to produce any fact in support of my banal argument about voting to congress. However if you are comparing freedom struggle with this movement then it itself is a great honour but then move a bit back and think Britishers abolished Mugal Dynasty and freed India from them. Its not a valid one in present context. If a cynic wants to be satisfied then above mentioned single thing is enough otherwise he is a tough cynic.

 

[virj]

No not comparing freedom and reservation or for that matter Britisher and Congress but just trying to show that just because Congress gave us reservation is not enough in itself for the whole community to feel indebted to congress.

And what after reservation, for how long should we feel indebted? For one election or two or three?

I feel the reservation is a victory for our people. Credit should be given to our people who fought for it. Congress is giving reservation to lot of other communities whats so special about Jats?

 

[drrajpalsingh]

How about Ch devi Lal. You wrote a book on him.

He was at the same time a freedom fighter against the British colonialism and a fighter for the rights of the landless farmers, for which he was jailed several times by both the British and the government of Independent India.

He was a political leader of toiling masses in 1980's who contributed his mite alongwith other contemporary political stalwarts to bring anti-Congress forces at one platform and gave such a stunning defeat to Congress in 1989 that since then it has not gained absolute majority on its own.

Such was Chaudhary Devi Lal whose political career spanned for 72 years.

But he was also a man and had his good points and weaknesses as every person has.

Let us salute to the memory of such a great Jat Farmer personality as Chaudhary Devi Lal was who was leader among workers and worker among leaders.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

I think OP Dhankhar is purely Anti-Jat. He has been with RSS since long long time. In last assembly election he coudn't save his zamanat. Further he was made something of farmer's cell in BJP but nobody heard anything from him. He got this ticket because Capt Abhimanyu saved himself. Deepender has been instrumental in Jat reservation at central level. OP Dhankhar never had a say on that.

Another view of profiling Rohtak seat is by looking the way BJP played at Sonepat seat. A bahman from a Jat dominant constituency. An Anti-Jat politics.

I do not know much about Mr. O P Dhankar but fail to understand what his attachment to R S S has to do with him to be labelled as Anti Jat or pro Jat.

It is good to learn that Mr Depender Hooda extended helping hand in getting Jats' reservation. He was elected for that cause by the people, so nothing strange !

But what a strange logic that by getting their legitimate demand advocated by the then elected representative have the Jats mortgaged their freedom of voting right to them for all times to come.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Politics alike Cinema is basically ride on emotions more than facts. But the single fact and a strong emotion I could understand in my little life is that reservation is near to panacea for a jat family. Beyond that I may falter in my mental capability to produce any fact in support of my banal argument about voting to congress. However if you are comparing freedom struggle with this movement then it itself is a great honour but then move a bit back and think Britishers abolished Mugal Dynasty and freed India from them. Its not a valid one in present context. If a cynic wants to be satisfied then above mentioned single thing is enough otherwise he is a tough cynic.

If a person decides not to vote the Congress is 'tough cynic' and if he votes for the Congress what is he ?

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Fair enough, perception for perception.

If you find nothing wrong about Jats who are still loyal to Kuldeep because he has helped them then on that basis its not wrong either that Jats vote to congress or Hooda because they have helped them with reservation.

In the five per cent reservation granted to five castes in Haryana, Bishnois are also there ! By granting one percent reservation share in class one posts in Haryana to Jats as special category block backward classes has to be repaid by gaining over 25% share of total votes of Haryana, it looks not only odd but ludicrous !

 

[samarkadian]

He was at the same time a freedom fighter against the British colonialism and a fighter for the rights of the landless farmers, for which he was jailed several times by both the British and the government of Independent India.

He was a political leader of toiling masses in 1980's who contributed his mite alongwith other contemporary political stalwarts to bring anti-Congress forces at one platform and gave such a stunning defeat to Congress in 1989 that since then it has not gained absolute majority on its own.

Such was Chaudhary Devi Lal whose political career spanned for 72 years.

But he was also a man and had his good points and weaknesses as every person has.

Let us salute to the memory of such a great Jat Farmer personality as Chaudhary Devi Lal was who was leader among workers and worker among leaders.

Still he was not an island as per you ?

I do not know much about Mr. O P Dhankar but fail to understand what his attachment to R S S has to do with him to be labelled as Anti Jat or pro Jat.

It is good to learn that Mr Depender Hooda extended helping hand in getting Jats' reservation. He was elected for that cause by the people, so nothing strange !

But what a strange logic that by getting their legitimate demand advocated by the then elected representative have the Jats mortgaged their freedom of voting right to them for all times to come.

Yes its a strange logic and somehow will work against him. But then strange things too happen.

If a person decides not to vote the Congress is 'tough cynic' and if he votes for the Congress what is he ?

I think you failed to understand why was that said to Vipin.

In the five per cent reservation granted to five castes in Haryana, Bishnois are also there ! By granting one percent reservation share in class one posts in Haryana to Jats as special category block backward classes has to be repaid by gaining over 25% share of total votes of Haryana, it looks not only odd but ludicrous !

Yes but you know what is more ludicrous and sad.? Even capt Abhimanyu of Haryana BJP welcomed the decision of Jat OBC but INLD is still singing the song of economic base reservation.

 

[skharb]

jat orr doom m fark hota h congress culture ko y samjhna chaihye
p.s mods jat apni baat sirf english m na kah sakte.