drrajpalsingh
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This is essence and life line of Indian Culture which has been all mankind embracing without caring for narrow dividing lines of nations and states !!!
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The British Imperialism in India: A Boon or Curse
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This is essence and life line of Indian Culture which has been all mankind embracing without caring for narrow dividing lines of nations and states !!!
maddhan1979
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This is life line of Indian Culture which has been all mankind embracing without caring for narrow dividing lines of nations and states !!!
Life line of Indian culture lies in the hands of people working in fields, offices, roads and any other work everywhere else.
drrajpalsingh
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It seems we have lost the theme of the thread;
hence,
we must re-engage our attention to the same and
concentrate our posts only on the topic please.
hence,
we must re-engage our attention to the same and
concentrate our posts only on the topic please.
There can be con and pros of any rule.
I think for Jat Community british rules was helpful
1. They gave us the status of Martial Community.
2.We would never get education if British would not have come to India.
3.Education in Haryana & Rajasthan was most restricted to Bania & Brahmin.
4.Please tell me in any village how many Jats were educated before 100 years.
5. Thanks to British that they recruited our elders in Army and gave them basic education.
In earlier times Bania & Brahimins always kept JATS away from Education.
I think for Jat Community british rules was helpful
1. They gave us the status of Martial Community.
2.We would never get education if British would not have come to India.
3.Education in Haryana & Rajasthan was most restricted to Bania & Brahmin.
4.Please tell me in any village how many Jats were educated before 100 years.
5. Thanks to British that they recruited our elders in Army and gave them basic education.
In earlier times Bania & Brahimins always kept JATS away from Education.
It seems we have lost the theme of the thread;
hence,
we must re-engage our attention to the same and
concentrate our posts only on the topic please.
drrajpalsingh
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There can be con and pros of any rule.
I think for Jat Community british rules was helpful
1. They gave us the status of Martial Community.
2.We would never get education if British would not have come to India.
3.Education in Haryana & Rajasthan was most restricted to Bania & Brahmin.
4.Please tell me in any village how many Jats were educated before 100 years.
5. Thanks to British that they recruited our elders in Army and gave them basic education.
In earlier times Bania & Brahimins always kept JATS away from Education.
You have touched a good number of points to praise the positive impacts of the British rule on the Jats, but, friend every issue raised by you is very complex and needs thread bare separate reading.
For example, no doubt the modern [western] education system was introduced by the British but to say that it was aimed at benefiting the Jats only would be oversimplifying the facts about the imperialistic designs and causes that forced them to implement it {one reason was to produce white colour clerical job seekers only}.
In fact, the British colonialism and imperialistic policies were made and implemented to benefit the British and whatever indirect benefits occurred to Indians were their by-product not their benevolence to Indians or India.
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maddhan1979
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The British Imperialism in India did not absolve killing of children. Rather a ban was imposed by the Government on killing of girls and also widows in the name of Sati.
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British did lot of things to improve and come over the social ailments of the society and interestingly they were good judge of people and their characteristics, one of the main reasons for that was because they had already gone through the dark ages of religion and its related atrocities. Whereas at the same time/age religion had been main reason of problems related with Indian subcontinent. People were fighting wars in the name of religion for a long time. So, they could see, exactly, what was happening, there was one section of society, who were controlling religion and having bad effects on the society because of it. Whereas there were common people, who were framers, traders, workers and so on, who were just trying to earn their daily bread in war torn time.
drrajpalsingh
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British did lot of things to improve and come over the social ailments of the society and interestingly they were good judge of people and their characteristics, one of the main reasons for that was because they had already gone through the dark ages of religion and its related atrocities. Whereas at the same time/age religion had been main reason of problems related with Indian subcontinent. People were fighting wars in the name of religion for a long time. So, they could see, exactly, what was happening, there was one section of society, who were controlling religion and having bad effects on the society because of it. Whereas there were common people, who were framers, traders, workers and so on, who were just trying to earn their daily bread in war torn time.
Friend,
There was neither religious group controlling in the Indian society nor religious wars going in India in those days as portrayed by you; just political instability caused by scrumble for power among elite groups gradually paved way for the British.
Thanks.
drrajpalsingh
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Though the British started varaious institutions and services to facilitate easy flow of their trade and commerce as well as to keep a strong flow of armed forces yet the British domination led to political integration of the country indirectly because the administration in British dominion and native states followed almost same pattern as regards to bureaucracy, judiciary, post and telegraph, education to certain level, railway and military services. This old edifice proved handy after the country attained freedom from the British and integration of princely native states were integreted into Union of India !
I feel its a very mentally stimulating, but ultimately futile exercise to envision 'what-if' scenarios like the one we are discussing here. There are multiple ways to look at British rule in India and many have mentioned there are positives and negatives galore.
But the biggest political 'gift' of colonialism to India is its current boundary. The British made those boundaries as a supreme power and we are the ones facing the consequences. China doesn't recognize McMahon line; Afghanistan doesnt agree with the Durand line and we are still fighting with Pakistan over the Radcliffe line. Moreover, even the internal boundaries i.e. of states and provinces proved quite a problem. The Brits lumped them together based on either princely rulers or their own domains and seldom cared for linguistic or ethnic factors. But the latter have forced independent India to repeatedly re-organize state boundaries, sometime after a ong drawn process that proved painful for everyone involved.
But the biggest political 'gift' of colonialism to India is its current boundary. The British made those boundaries as a supreme power and we are the ones facing the consequences. China doesn't recognize McMahon line; Afghanistan doesnt agree with the Durand line and we are still fighting with Pakistan over the Radcliffe line. Moreover, even the internal boundaries i.e. of states and provinces proved quite a problem. The Brits lumped them together based on either princely rulers or their own domains and seldom cared for linguistic or ethnic factors. But the latter have forced independent India to repeatedly re-organize state boundaries, sometime after a ong drawn process that proved painful for everyone involved.
drrajpalsingh
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I feel its a very mentally stimulating, but ultimately futile exercise to envision 'what-if' scenarios like the one we are discussing here. There are multiple ways to look at British rule in India and many have mentioned there are positives and negatives galore.
But the biggest political 'gift' of colonialism to India is its current boundary. The British made those boundaries as a supreme power and we are the ones facing the consequences. China doesn't recognize McMahon line; Afghanistan doesnt agree with the Durand line and we are still fighting with Pakistan over the Radcliffe line. Moreover, even the internal boundaries i.e. of states and provinces proved quite a problem. The Brits lumped them together based on either princely rulers or their own domains and seldom cared for linguistic or ethnic factors. But the latter have forced independent India to repeatedly re-organize state boundaries, sometime after a ong drawn process that proved painful for everyone involved.
Yes, a few problems remain to be settled as regards international boundaries.
But we cannot blame the British for the present day provincial boundaries and reorganisation of states on linguistic basis because prior to implementation of States reorganisation Act 1956, the question of linguistic based states was little heard in the British times. It was the new problem created by us after attainment of independence from the British.
Yes, a few problems remain to be settled as regards international boundaries.
But we cannot blame the British for the present day provincial boundaries and reorganisation of states on linguistic basis because prior to implementation of States reorganisation Act 1956, the question of linguistic based states was little heard in the British times. It was the new problem created by us after attainment of independence from the British.
Agree, my intention wasn't to blame and the word would be a little extreme. But I'd say the genesis of many current state boundary problems lies in how the British divided the states without accounting for the factors other than the ease of their governance. If not, then we wouldn't have required reorganization of states to account for ethnic, linguistic and other differences.
drrajpalsingh
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Agree, my intention wasn't to blame and the word would be a little extreme. But I'd say the genesis of many current state boundary problems lies in how the British divided the states without accounting for the factors other than the ease of their governance. If not, then we wouldn't have required reorganization of states to account for ethnic, linguistic and other differences.
I do not mean that you 'blamed' anyone. The uneven size of the prevalent provinces and presidencies, division of the country into three parts with two Independent countries and 600 odd native rulers states was the political map of India on 14-15th August, 1947. The problem of organising administrative units into provinces/states got further complicated on how to merge 562 native states in the Indian Union.
To achieve the complete integration goal for the Indian Union, initially, Four categories of states were envisioned when the country became free.
Then,on the recommendations of the States Reorganisation Commission Report in 1956, the two categories came into form i.e. Union Territories and State.
This situation continues even today with minor adjustments made now and then.
1. Poverty :- I think that main reason behind poverty of India is not British Raj but very high population growth specially in Gangatic valley regions.
2. Partition :- British alone can't be blamed for partition of India, Middle and Upper class Muslims(specially aristocratic Muslims) feared that they couldn't dominate India in a democratic setup like they did in Mughal India; They resisted dominance of merchant and land-owning Hindus in Muslim majority region; Many of them wanted a sovereignty of their own ; it was a tough task to accommodate their aspiration in united India if not impossible.
3. Economy :- Even if British appropriated raw materials from India and caused unemployment in several parts of country, we have to give them credit for creating infrastructure and initiate a process of modernization. They brought capitalism to country by dismantling feudal structure of country. Bengal and Tamilnadu witnessed intellectual revolution because they were first to come into contact with British. Bengal couldn't develop because of demographic factors but Tamilnadu made a lot of progress ( urbanization, economy, political consciousness,etc) .
2. Partition :- British alone can't be blamed for partition of India, Middle and Upper class Muslims(specially aristocratic Muslims) feared that they couldn't dominate India in a democratic setup like they did in Mughal India; They resisted dominance of merchant and land-owning Hindus in Muslim majority region; Many of them wanted a sovereignty of their own ; it was a tough task to accommodate their aspiration in united India if not impossible.
3. Economy :- Even if British appropriated raw materials from India and caused unemployment in several parts of country, we have to give them credit for creating infrastructure and initiate a process of modernization. They brought capitalism to country by dismantling feudal structure of country. Bengal and Tamilnadu witnessed intellectual revolution because they were first to come into contact with British. Bengal couldn't develop because of demographic factors but Tamilnadu made a lot of progress ( urbanization, economy, political consciousness,etc) .
drrajpalsingh
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2. Partition :- British alone can't be blamed for partition of India, Middle and Upper class Muslims(specially aristocratic Muslims) feared that they couldn't dominate India in a democratic setup like they did in Mughal India; They resisted dominance of merchant and land-owning Hindus in Muslim majority region; Many of them wanted a sovereignty of their own ; it was a tough task to accommodate their aspiration in united India if not impossible.
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Regarding partition of India, though they cannot be held solely responsible yet they were major contributors to this act as they got the All India Muslim League formed as a sole representative of the Muslims in opposition to the Congress, when they were facing the united Hindu-Muslim opposition to the efforts of division of Bengal.
Thereafter they never failed to fan communal forces to grind their own axe !
amitbudhwar
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Dekho sir, nuksaan bhi hua hai aur fayda bhi. Nuksaan ye hua ki loot paat bahut hui, jaan maal ka nuksaan hua. lekin fayda ek tarah se ye bhi keh sakte ho ki itne rajwaade aur riyasatein thi. wo ladti rehti apas mie. union ho gayi country mei. Mughal raaj khatam ho gaya. nahi to wahi Raja waala raaj chalta middle east countries ki tarah. democracy mil guyi. Modern infrastructure mil gaya etc etc.