A few among Jats themselves downgrading community

[ssgoyat]

She sold her bunch of lies, and achieved what?


We don't know personally Modi, Rahul baba, Sonia, Manmohan, Kejru, Anna, Ramdev, Robert Vadra, Hooda, falana, dhikda, mukda either.....yet people are judgmental about them. How could anyone be stopped discussing about them? Going by this logic 70% of JL's content (Kachra) is this only.

 

[rkhatkar]

May I ask why should we not criticize someone who is giving a bad name to community? Being silent means we endorse her views that girls are supressed in Jat communities, parents dont let girls exceed like sons?

Please understand this is not a negative agenda against jats but an effort to show what Mallika portrayed against us is not what we are, we do not suppress girls.
I am sorry sir but I am surprised to see this attitude from respected members who should be doing otherwise.

मै समझने मे अशमर्थ हूँ कि कुछ लोग इसी साईट पर किसी एक अंजान लड़की पर बहस करने के नाम पर उसकी गैर हाजिरी मै कीचड़ क्यों उछालना चाहते है जो उस लरकी के साथ साथ उसके परिजनों कि इज्जत पर भी प्रतिकूल असर डालेगी | यदि उनको इसका ज्यादा ही प्रबल शौक है तो उसके पोस्टर छपवाकर अपना नाम व पता लिख कर आमजनों मे वितरित करके देख लें | अन्यथा अपने निजी दोस्तो मे अपने निजी साधनो से जो मर्जी विमर्श करे | मेरी विनती है कि इस साईट को निस्पक्ष रहने दे |
इस समाज मे कोई भी हमेशा पूरा नहीं रहा है | कब किसके कमजोर दिन आ जाए कुछ पता नहीं लगता मुझे बचपन कि एक घटना याद आई है, एकबार बाजार मै दो व्यापारियों मे लड़ाई हो रही थी | उनमे से एक बार बार कह रहा था “मेरा सामना करने से पहले अपने घर वालो को गिनती करके आ” | बात मेरी समझ मे नहीं आयी, न ही मेरे साथी कि समझ मे आयी | जिज्ञासावस मेरी साथी ने अपने जानकार एक बुजुर्ग से पूछा ये लाला क्या कहना चाहता है, उस बुजुर्ग ने बताया कि बहुत साल पहले दूसरे लड़ने वाले लाला कि भूवा किसी के साथ भाग गयी थी इसी लिए वह कह रहा है कि तुम्हारे घर वालो कि गिनती करके आ (जिनकी गिनती मे एक कम हो गया था) | हमे भी अपने गिरेबान को संभालकर रखना चाहिए | क्योंकि वह लाला था वह लड़ाई मे भी सभ्यता बरत रहा था |
किसी लड़की ने एक directed/edited इंटरव्यू मे कुछ कह रखा है तो हमे उसका समाज के खिलाफ मुद्दा बनाने कि चेस्टा से बचना ही चाहिए वरन ऐसा भी योद्धा मुझे नजर नहीं आता जो कि उस लरकी के रूबरू होकर उसे face करले |
सब को राम राम

 

[rkhatkar]

Jats themselves downgrading community

Some of us are so persistent to not even to let the discussion happen? Resp. sir, Do you know her or her family? If that is the case, I take my leave from any further discussion. How did you draw the inference from the discussion above that "Jats Themselves downgrading community"? These people do not even consider themselves as Jats! The society can take a learning from both the cases whether good or bad. People who come to stardom/ public figure make a choice knowing that even their private lives would be discussed in public. I have not made this video below nor am I being judgemental. "Ppl who want to see" can see a clip of her bachelorette show, sp. btw (05:00 - 06:00 mins) & (15:00-20:00 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6GZjdmvW5w.

Also, Wikipedia has a mention of these people as Jats. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jats.

Dear Tewatia Ji


In person, I have nothing against you and your thinking. One thing which I tried to convey is that any action or reference in media/ TV shows generally does not reflect the original personality and personal life of any individual for example Filmy Hero late Sh Pran Sahib mostly played villain roles but personally he was very supportive and social person.

I quote here an instance when an illiterate villager was watching a movie in a city cinema hall, in the movie a scene came where a tiger jumps towards the film hero, the scene showed full face of tiger jumping towards camera; in the hall it was giving a feeling that the tiger is jumping with roar towards public sitting in the hall. The villager stood up immediately and cried “खा लिया र “The young boy sitting next to him, while pacifying the villager said “ ताऊ बैठ जा या तो फिल्म सै सच्चाई कोनी “ The innocent villager replied “ म्ण्ण तो बेरा स इस खसम ने तो कोनी बेरा या फिल्म स सच्चाई कोनी”
Mere TV shows/roles in a film and like actions can’t be translated as real deeds; If you have any document or proof or any other thing regarding her mis-deeds against the community then that matter can be discussed in public sites
Kindly relax
Thanks

 

[desijat]

अंकल जी

आप की बातो से ज्ञात होता है आप मलिक्का जी को पर्सनली जानते है, ऐसा है तो हमें आपके अनुभव बताये, अन्यथा हमारे उन की पब्लिक लाइफ पर सवाल उठाने को ले कर सवाल कर ने कुछ हासिल नहीं होगा |

आप बातो को गलत तरीके से ले रहे है, हम मलिक्का पर कीचड नहीं उछाल रहे, बल्कि उनके द्वारा जाटो पर उठाये हुए कीचड को समेट रहे है| आपसे मैं चाँद सवाल करना चाहता हूँ,
१) क्या आप ये ठीक मानते है की मलिक्का ने जाटो के पिछड़ेपन और उनकी छोटी सोच का सहारा ले कर खुद के लिए सहानुभूति ली?
२) क्या आप ये चाहेंगे की जाट बालक बालिकाए ऐसी युवती से मार्ग दर्शन ले जो अपने परिवार से १० साल दूर रही, उनकी सोच को छोटा बताया, अपनी मंज़िल तक पहुचने के लिए सही गलत, दोनों कदम लिए?


आप एक अनजान लड़की के लिए लड्ड रहे है जिसने अपने हर एक पल को tv के कैमरा के आगे बेच दिया है, और आप जाटलैंड के मान्य सदस्यों को उनके गिरेबान मैं झाँकने के लिए कह रहे है जैसे उनके घर की बहु बेटीओ ने कौम को ऐसे बदनाम किआ हो? ये कैसा इन्साफ हुआ?

अगर आप के पास मलिक्का की ज़िन्दगी से जुड़े कुछ अच्छे वाक्य है तो शेयर कीजिये, अन्यथा इस निजी टोल मोल से जितना दूर रहे उतना अछा है - इससे महल मैं खटास ही आती है

रही बात मलिक्का से रूबरू होने की तो एक कहावत मैं भी लिख देता हूँ, नंग बड़ा या बादशाह?

सध्भावनै सहित

मै समझने मे अशमर्थ हूँ कि कुछ लोग इसी साईट पर किसी एक अंजान लड़की पर बहस करने के नाम पर उसकी गैर हाजिरी मै कीचड़ क्यों उछालना चाहते है जो उस लरकी के साथ साथ उसके परिजनों कि इज्जत पर भी प्रतिकूल असर डालेगी | यदि उनको इसका ज्यादा ही प्रबल शौक है तो उसके पोस्टर छपवाकर अपना नाम व पता लिख कर आमजनों मे वितरित करके देख लें | अन्यथा अपने निजी दोस्तो मे अपने निजी साधनो से जो मर्जी विमर्श करे | मेरी विनती है कि इस साईट को निस्पक्ष रहने दे |
इस समाज मे कोई भी हमेशा पूरा नहीं रहा है | कब किसके कमजोर दिन आ जाए कुछ पता नहीं लगता मुझे बचपन कि एक घटना याद आई है, एकबार बाजार मै दो व्यापारियों मे लड़ाई हो रही थी | उनमे से एक बार बार कह रहा था “मेरा सामना करने से पहले अपने घर वालो को गिनती करके आ” | बात मेरी समझ मे नहीं आयी, न ही मेरे साथी कि समझ मे आयी | जिज्ञासावस मेरी साथी ने अपने जानकार एक बुजुर्ग से पूछा ये लाला क्या कहना चाहता है, उस बुजुर्ग ने बताया कि बहुत साल पहले दूसरे लड़ने वाले लाला कि भूवा किसी के साथ भाग गयी थी इसी लिए वह कह रहा है कि तुम्हारे घर वालो कि गिनती करके आ (जिनकी गिनती मे एक कम हो गया था) | हमे भी अपने गिरेबान को संभालकर रखना चाहिए | क्योंकि वह लाला था वह लड़ाई मे भी सभ्यता बरत रहा था |
किसी लड़की ने एक directed/edited इंटरव्यू मे कुछ कह रखा है तो हमे उसका समाज के खिलाफ मुद्दा बनाने कि चेस्टा से बचना ही चाहिए वरन ऐसा भी योद्धा मुझे नजर नहीं आता जो कि उस लरकी के रूबरू होकर उसे face करले |
सब को राम राम

 

[desijat]

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May we all have such role models

 

[drrajpalsingh]

अंकल जी

आप की बातो से ज्ञात होता है आप मलिक्का जी को पर्सनली जानते है, ऐसा है तो हमें आपके अनुभव बताये, अन्यथा हमारे उन की पब्लिक लाइफ पर सवाल उठाने को ले कर सवाल कर ने कुछ हासिल नहीं होगा |

आप बातो को गलत तरीके से ले रहे है, हम मलिक्का पर कीचड नहीं उछाल रहे, बल्कि उनके द्वारा जाटो पर उठाये हुए कीचड को समेट रहे है| आपसे मैं चाँद सवाल करना चाहता हूँ,
१) क्या आप ये ठीक मानते है की मलिक्का ने जाटो के पिछड़ेपन और उनकी छोटी सोच का सहारा ले कर खुद के लिए सहानुभूति ली?
२) क्या आप ये चाहेंगे की जाट बालक बालिकाए ऐसी युवती से मार्ग दर्शन ले जो अपने परिवार से १० साल दूर रही, उनकी सोच को छोटा बताया, अपनी मंज़िल तक पहुचने के लिए सही गलत, दोनों कदम लिए?


आप एक अनजान लड़की के लिए लड्ड रहे है जिसने अपने हर एक पल को tv के कैमरा के आगे बेच दिया है, और आप जाटलैंड के मान्य सदस्यों को उनके गिरेबान मैं झाँकने के लिए कह रहे है जैसे उनके घर की बहु बेटीओ ने कौम को ऐसे बदनाम किआ हो? ये कैसा इन्साफ हुआ?

अगर आप के पास मलिक्का की ज़िन्दगी से जुड़े कुछ अच्छे वाक्य है तो शेयर कीजिये, अन्यथा इस निजी टोल मोल से जितना दूर रहे उतना अछा है - इससे महल मैं खटास ही आती है

रही बात मलिक्का से रूबरू होने की तो एक कहावत मैं भी लिख देता हूँ, नंग बड़ा या बादशाह?

सध्भावनै सहित

None advocates to follow her ways as role model

 

[drrajpalsingh]

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May we all have such role models

Not at all !

Then, leave her to live her own life as she likes !

 

[desijat]

मैं हरयाणा की जाट हूँ और मुझे जवानी का मतलब पता है

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[desijat]

इस थ्रेड पे एक अजीब सी अनहोनी हो रही है, बुजुर्ग सदस्य मलिक्का को अपनी ज़िन्दगी अपनी शर्तो पर जीने की दुहाई दे रहे है फिर चाहे उस में कितना भी नंगपना हो और नौजवान पीड़ी अपनी संस्कृति की दुहाई दे रही है |

 

[rkumar]

इस थ्रेड पे एक अजीब सी अनहोनी हो रही है, बुजुर्ग सदस्य मलिक्का को अपनी ज़िन्दगी अपनी शर्तो पर जीने की दुहाई दे रहे है फिर चाहे उस में कितना भी नंगपना हो और नौजवान पीड़ी अपनी संस्कृति की दुहाई दे रही है |

Correct observation. This is also the proof of younger generation turning right compared to the relatively left oldies. This is why Modi appeals more to the younger generation.

RK^2

 

[amankadian]

I didn't want to any comment on this. As I don't have right to say about her personal life. But I would like to say something.

There are many jats girls who has done for nation. http://www.jatland.com/home/Category:Famous_Jat_women.

Their families support them. How she can say that all these about Jats. Jat woman's are also open minded, educated, famous, navy officer, army office, Scientist, journalist, etc.


Ager wo akeli success jat woman hoti na to man jata, Usse jayda famous to mere gaao main hi hai, Name- Suman Kundu.

Tv pe do button kholne se koi success na ban jata. There are many jat womans to feel proud.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Correct observation. This is also the proof of younger generation turning right compared to the relatively left oldies. This is why Modi appeals more to the younger generation.

RK^2

Good comparisons : Old and young Jat generations equal to left and right respectively;

and another fantastic aspect:

Disliking for a film actress equal to preference for Modi.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

इस थ्रेड पे एक अजीब सी अनहोनी हो रही है, बुजुर्ग सदस्य मलिक्का को अपनी ज़िन्दगी अपनी शर्तो पर जीने की दुहाई दे रहे है फिर चाहे उस में कितना भी नंगपना हो और नौजवान पीड़ी अपनी संस्कृति की दुहाई दे रही है |

She has joined the mad race for acquiring easy life of pelf and show provided by 'consumer culture' developing all around us nowadays.

We are contributing to sustain and spread her popularity by providing free publicity through our posts on the Jatland. More posts on her seem to have appeared than on the role of Maharani Kishori of Bharatpur ! What a paradox !!

 

[rkhatkar]

A few among jats themselves downgrading community

Good comparisons : Old and young Jat generations equal to left and right respectively;

and another fantastic aspect:

Disliking for a film actress equal to preference for Modi.

I am new entrant to this site; its name attracted me assuming it a common social site for Jats. I am not aware whether this site is a public entity site or propriety of some individual/s. By visiting, reading and commenting I observed that this site is in the influence of a few people interacting praising, supporting within each others’ point of view. Others are subjected to collective resistance; so is the participation by common Jats’ intellectuals seems to be negligible.
In many cases I found Threads, posts/approvals, likes and dislikes without any justified intentions. The present thread does not disturb me personally, I have never seen any of her movie, TV serial also any TV interview including these loaded here; not because I don’t watch TV but because, I take her trivial figure to pay attention.
My post was merely to convey that good or bad figures exist in every society, if this is a public site then it should not be allowed to be used in the name of caste to pass ill and unjustified comments for any person whom you personally hate; this is not natural justice for the target person. As far as abuse to Jats is concerned there are numerous open enemies to deal with properly; I hardly find any instance of passing common resolution to oppose their moves.

This thread has raised some more questions; whether this site is pro or against any political establishment, I take it as a neutral site discussing all sorts to benefit the caste. Modi Ji has been made hot topics by the participants; how he emerged, how he was projected, what were the expenses and who funded these, how he rose are numerous questions hidden underneath. As far as I could derive, he is being treated a dream come true and panacea for whole Jat society. I am made to understand that Jat youth turning right, so increases taste for Modi Ji. What a bright observation; similar was their taste for Anna Ji and Kejriwal some time before. Why this taste was shifted left from right is un-answered; but definitely there was a political vacuum, they wanted alternative which they tried to trace in Anna Ji and Kejriwal Ji how it was shifting left-right-left is totally a different story. Some self proclaimed youva fit in the definition of youth only by age qualification otherwise seen no young quality to define as such; Bubly-Manoj episode was the gift of such people where social set-ups legal aspects tolerances Collective thinking were at stake, crimes and many more ills germinated resulting in the loss of innocent lives and guardians turning heinous criminals bringing bad name to the society/state; really bitter.

There is certainly gap in thinking of young and oldies. I was expecting developmental and innovative threads and posts on this site, such as how to arrange spacious Jat Bhawan in the capital of India; starting a free competitive examination coaching center For Jat Boys at least in Delhi, capitals of Haryana, Rajasthan, UP, MP etc, Starting evening free tuition classes in villages by retired personnel and other volunteers to help improve poor and scholastic weak students to compete in the life, A Guide to overseas education and placements and so on: but I think I hoped high from our youth and the site.

I, in advance beg my pardon from all the participants in general and those who feel hurt in particular. This may be treated as my written apology from all concerned.

Thanks and Ram Ram to all

 

[drrajpalsingh]

I am new entrant to this site; its name attracted me assuming it a common social site for Jats. I am not aware whether this site is a public entity site or propriety of some individual/s. By visiting, reading and commenting I observed that this site is in the influence of a few people interacting praising, supporting within each others’ point of view. Others are subjected to collective resistance; so is the participation by common Jats’ intellectuals seems to be negligible.
In many cases I found Threads, posts/approvals, likes and dislikes without any justified intentions. The present thread does not disturb me personally, I have never seen any of her movie, TV serial also any TV interview including these loaded here; not because I don’t watch TV but because, I take her trivial figure to pay attention.
My post was merely to convey that good or bad figures exist in every society, if this is a public site then it should not be allowed to be used in the name of caste to pass ill and unjustified comments for any person whom you personally hate; this is not natural justice for the target person. As far as abuse to Jats is concerned there are numerous open enemies to deal with properly; I hardly find any instance of passing common resolution to oppose their moves.

This thread has raised some more questions; whether this site is pro or against any political establishment, I take it as a neutral site discussing all sorts to benefit the caste. Modi Ji has been made hot topics by the participants; how he emerged, how he was projected, what were the expenses and who funded these, how he rose are numerous questions hidden underneath. As far as I could derive, he is being treated a dream come true and panacea for whole Jat society. I am made to understand that Jat youth turning right, so increases taste for Modi Ji. What a bright observation; similar was their taste for Anna Ji and Kejriwal some time before. Why this taste was shifted left from right is un-answered; but definitely there was a political vacuum, they wanted alternative which they tried to trace in Anna Ji and Kejriwal Ji how it was shifting left-right-left is totally a different story. Some self proclaimed youva fit in the definition of youth only by age qualification otherwise seen no young quality to define as such; Bubly-Manoj episode was the gift of such people where social set-ups legal aspects tolerances Collective thinking were at stake, crimes and many more ills germinated resulting in the loss of innocent lives and guardians turning heinous criminals bringing bad name to the society/state; really bitter.

There is certainly gap in thinking of young and oldies.I was expecting developmental and innovative threads and posts on this site, such as how to arrange spacious Jat Bhawan in the capital of India; starting a free competitive examination coaching center For Jat Boys at least in Delhi, capitals of Haryana, Rajasthan, UP, MP etc, Starting evening free tuition classes in villages by retired personnel and other volunteers to help improve poor and scholastic weak students to compete in the life, A Guide to overseas education and placements and so on: but I think I hoped high from our youth and the site.

I, in advance beg my pardon from all the participants in general and those who feel hurt in particular. This may be treated as my written apology from all concerned.

Thanks and Ram Ram to all

Friends,

Kindly read every word of the well reasoned post carefully, ponder over the issues discussed and decide to contribute to take the site to greater heights.

Shri Khatkar Sahib, though you have committed no error to beg pardon yet it is your humility that you have sought one; indeed great !

Your innovative ideas may definitely be put on the site in the form of a thread to create awareness among the participants and the guests who visit the site in hundreds in number. The noble views expressed in the lines marked red [by me] need wide publicity and if even a single person is motivated your job will stand fructified.

Thanks and regards

 

[vk23]

इस थ्रेड पे एक अजीब सी अनहोनी हो रही है, बुजुर्ग सदस्य मलिक्का को अपनी ज़िन्दगी अपनी शर्तो पर जीने की दुहाई दे रहे है फिर चाहे उस में कितना भी नंगपना हो और नौजवान पीड़ी अपनी संस्कृति की दुहाई दे रही है |

My friend, I am a young person and I endorse our elder's point of view. Let's not poke a nose into someone's personal life. You are behaving like a Kangaroo court which decides upon how she should dress, when she should go out, what she needs to express in front of someone. People in our country have every right to live like they want as long as they abide law. Therefore I don't see any logic in this thread whatsoever.

 

[desijat]

There is certainly gap in thinking of young and oldies. I was expecting developmental and innovative threads and posts on this site, such as how to arrange spacious Jat Bhawan in the capital of India; starting a free competitive examination coaching center For Jat Boys at least in Delhi, capitals of Haryana, Rajasthan, UP, MP etc, Starting evening free tuition classes in villages by retired personnel and other volunteers to help improve poor and scholastic weak students to compete in the life, A Guide to overseas education and placements and so on: but I think I hoped high from our youth and the site.
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खाटकर जी,

मुझे तो लगा था आप को ख़ुशी होगी नई नयी पीढ़ी अपनी संस्कृति को नहीं भूली और अपनी कौम की इज़्ज़त की रक्षा कर रही है ऐसे झुटे इंसानो के बहकावे मैं न आकर, जो काम आम तौर पर बुजुर्ग करते है|

आप ये सब अच्छे काम करना चाहते है, सराहनीय है पर मुझे नहीं लगता एक छोटे से डिस्कशन से, जिसमे आप की बातो से कुछ लोगो ने सहमति नहीं जताई आपको इतनी निराशा हो की आप अपना इतना महत्वरपूर्ण सोचा हुआ योगदान छोड़ दे | इरादे पक्के हो तो ऐसी छोटी मोती बाटे आप को छुएंगी भी नहीं, आप अगर ये यहाँ लिखने की बजाये कोशिश करिये काम करने की और देखिये लोग कैसे साथ देते है आप का |

अंतत:
लहरों से डर कर नौका पार नहीं होती,
कोशिश करने वालों की कभी हार नहीं होती।

JATLAND is as good as you make it, if you feel we are wrong, please start a change.

 

[desijat]

My friend,

You have clearly not read the thread, or posts like others who are debating in vein. Could you show me one post where anyone has objected to what she wears, or eats, or her divorce or anything else that is personal? Do not twist things personal when they are not meant to be. We are discussing the life she has thrown in public w.r.t. her claims of being a jat and showing how community supressed her, which is anything but a lie.

Thank you!

My friend, I am a young person and I endorse our elder's point of view. Let's not poke a nose into someone's personal life. You are behaving like a Kangaroo court which decides upon how she should dress, when she should go out, what she needs to express in front of someone. People in our country have every right to live like they want as long as they abide law. Therefore I don't see any logic in this thread whatsoever.

 

[rkumar]

My friend,

You have clearly not read the thread, or posts like others who are debating in vein. Could you show me one post where anyone has objected to what she wears, or eats, or her divorce or anything else that is personal? Do not twist things personal when they are not meant to be. We are discussing the life she has thrown in public w.r.t. her claims of being a jat and showing how community supressed her, which is anything but a lie.

Thank you!

I agree totally. I have no problem with her life style at all. My only concern is that she should not paint jats in bad colors just to play victimhood card to promote herself.

RK^2

 

[rkumar]

I......................... As far as I could derive, he is being treated a dream come true and panacea for whole Jat society. .....................

No doubt Modi has been debated extensively on this site. However, I am not sure if he has been projected the way you have quoted above. Most of the discussions on Modi have been whether he is good or not so good for the country as a whole. I am on record in one of my post that "Jats have survived the worst periods in history on their on and will continue to do the same" The very fact that Jats control the prime agriculture lands in the subcontinent, is a proof enough of our inherent strength. I suppose these lands were not allotted to us by kings in charity. Our forefathers must have fought to have a hold on these lands.

I am not sure what made you feel that this site is a property of few individuals. Anyone or everyone is free to express his views freely. Of course there are counter views and members take sides depending upon their personal likings towards one or the other side of the view. Many of us are involved in social services in our on way and at times we report about that too. Many of us have even supervised the carries of younger Jat boys. AS you would appreciate, self praise is not a Jat trait and therefore we don't report such cases. One of our member Ram Arya is doing great services in helping Jat boys with scholarships to USA and in India.

RK^2