I want to understand. Do the Bishnois call themselves 'Jats' or not?
The case of Arya Samaj is different. The aryasamaji among the Jats have not Abandoned their caste i.e. Jat.The Bishnois have done that. Am I right?
Dr. Rajpal Ji,
For your convenience I would submit that for me Label means a name. I am deliberately using it to make a note where according to me a change in name of caste or community has changed for whatever reason. It is a mere technical device. If you prefer you can replace it by caste name or simply name. Shakespeare might have said the line ' what is in a nme, a rose is a rose by any other nsme'. But I believe there is a lot in a name. You may be knowing what happens to a gentle man when others by any reason give him a byon'k' which is not pleasnt in meaning. The famous story of the family suffering from the tyranny of the ' SurdaByonk' throwing a party only to find the 'Byonk' perpetuated.
Thanks for enlightening post , Friend !Sir, Most of the Bishnois call themselves Jats apart from some Political Stunts as mentioned By Rajpal Ji. Generally, when they are among other communities they distinguish themselves as Jats. When they are among Jats they distinguish themselves as Bishnoi. It's like first we introduce ourselves as Jats and then distinguish ourselves by our respective Gotras.In nutshell, they still feel home with Jats apart from practicing some customs they adopted few hundred years back.
Dr. Rajpal Ji, I have already explained what I mean by the term Label and also why do I use it.
Incidently i am amused to see you find an expression 'disgusting'-especially when you have the authority of a moderator. Should I think that you are giving me some signal as a moderator. In that case I would have to think and take cudgel to protect my right to freedom of expression within the limits of propriety and decorum. Please enlighten me. I am not a rebel.I am already pained to find you blasting through words and expressions which can manage to avoid when commenting on the submissions of colleagues.
We are compiling on Jatland all the Rivers of probable Jat areas. Many Rivers in Central Asia have names somewhat related with Jat clans. It is a matter of research to find correlation between Jat clans and names of Rivers. May be Jats have been rulers of the area and gave names to Rivers and other features. Same River has even different names over different periods. I was compiling Indus River and found following names:
Other names of Indus
- Daryā-e Sindh: In Urdu, the official language of Pakistan, the Indus is known as درياۓ سِندھ (Daryā-e Sindh).
- Sindhu Nadī: In other languages of the region,
- सिन्धु नदी (Sindhu Nadī) in Hindi,
- Sindhu: سنڌو (Sindhu) in Sindhi, سندھ
- Sindh: in Shahmukhi alphabet,
- Sindh Nadī: ਸਿੰਧ ਨਦੀ (Sindh Nadī) in Gurmukhī alphabet,
- સિંધુ નદી (Sindhu) in Gujarati;
- Abāsin: اباسين (Abāsin, lit. "Father of Rivers") in Pashto,
- Rūd-e Sind: رود سند (Rūd-e Sind) in Persian,
- Nahar al-Sind: نهر السند (Nahar al-Sind) in Arabic,
- Sênggê Zangbo: སེང་གེ།་གཙང་པོ (Sênggê Zangbo, lit. "Lion River") in Tibetan,
- Yindu: 印度 (Yìndù) in Chinese, and
- Nilab in Turki.
Sindhu name is certainly given by Sindhu Jats.
Nilab is given name by Nil which is still a Jat clan.
Sênggê Zangbo, lit. "Lion River") in Tibetan language. What I can make out of this Tibet word is that Zangbo name is for River. It may have probable links with Jangu clan?
Friends,
I am interested to know details about the Janghu Gotra Jats and their history. I am given to understand that Janghu and Bhalothia stock Jats belong to one and the same gotra; Is it so?
Have they any connexion with Janu, Jahnavi or any other gotra; this remains a moot question.
Are there any references available about them in our epics, mythological literature, I do not know?
I invite the JatLand.com contributers to shed some light on the history of Janghu Gotra Jats and their villages in Haryana, Rajasthan and other places.
Names of present day distinguished persons of this gotra could be forwarded so that they may be contacted for finding out their roots in the past history.
Regards,
Dr. Raj Pal Singh
Friends,
I am interested to know details about the Janghu Gotra Jats and their history. I am given to understand that Janghu and Bhalothia stock Jats belong to one and the same gotra; Is it so?
Have they any connexion with Janu, Jahnavi or any other gotra; this remains a moot question.
Are there any references available about them in our epics, mythological literature, I do not know?
I invite the JatLand.com contributers to shed some light on the history of Janghu Gotra Jats and their villages in Haryana, Rajasthan and other places.
Names of present day distinguished persons of this gotra could be forwarded so that they may be contacted for finding out their roots in the past history.
Regards,
Dr. Raj Pal Singh
Clue to this family name might be present in plains of Eurasia and the languages spoken by the tribes located in this region in ancient times.
A prominent feature of many European languages is that alphabet "J" is replaced with alphabet "Y".
A simple example is name "Julia" is written and spoken as "Yulia" in many places throughout Eurasia, if i remember correctly.
So, if the word "Janghu", has ancient origins, which i think it has, then replacing "J" with "Y", it becomes "Yanghu".
It is very much possible that in ancient tribal terminology, it is a combination of two words "Yang + hu", where "Hu", can very well mean a "Hun".
"Jan" or ""Yan", is common Eurasian name for a male.
So, it is possible that origin of this family name might be present in tribes of central Eurasia.
The root and exact pronunciation of this name might be present in ancient Scythian, Hunnish, Parthian, etc., languages of central Eurasia .
Friend,
Pure hypocritical statement as you cannot explain what for ''Tewatia/teotia'' stands in association with your name.
Excuse me if it hurts you to be face to face with truth.
regards
Rajpalji
Samvarana the descendant of Janhu then with his wife and ministers, sons and relatives, fled in fear, and took shelter in the forest on the banks of the Sindhu extending to the foot of the mountains. There the Bharatas lived for a full thousand years, within their fort.
The above description gives hints about migration. If we can find a country and language in which 'g' is silent then both Janghu and Janhu become same. And this is not impossible.
"Not so far.
But on the one hand in your earlier post you say written words even on inscriptions are no history and on the other you suggest us to rely upon records of reed and ink kept by Pandas at Gangaghat. What to do, suggest !"
You seem to be interested in such information, so the suggestion was made. One does not have to believe all that the Pandas have written down, but, as with all the information from all other sources, why not look into this source too, there might be some useful information there also?
Why I prefer the genetic information is because it eliminates all the guess work. One might be known as an Indo Aryan and the information from all sources may be definitely pointing to that, but if the person is later proven genetically to be of the lineage of Panya or Onga, of what use all such information then be?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_genealogy_registers_at_Haridwar#Records_on_Microfilm
Records on Microfilm
Starting around 1977,[SUP][3][/SUP] Hindu genealogy records were microfilmed, and later housed at the Genealogical Society of Utah (GSU), USA since 1981, other places in these records having records of Hindu families are Kurukshetra, Pehowa, Chintpurni, Jawalapur, and Jawalamukhi [SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP] The Genealogical Society of Utah currently restricts online access to the Hindu genealogy records to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church)[SUP][citation needed][/SUP].
http://genealogysstar.blogspot.ca/2012/09/hindu-pilgrimage-records-1194-2012.html
Clue to this family name might be present in plains of Eurasia and the languages spoken by the tribes located in this region in ancient times.
A prominent feature of many European languages is that alphabet "J" is replaced with alphabet "Y".
A simple example is name "Julia" is written and spoken as "Yulia" in many places throughout Eurasia, if i remember correctly.
So, if the word "Janghu", has ancient origins, which i think it has, then replacing "J" with "Y", it becomes "Yanghu".
It is very much possible that in ancient tribal terminology, it is a combination of two words "Yang + hu", where "Hu", can very well mean a "Hun".
"Jan" or ""Yan", is common Eurasian name for a male.
So, it is possible that origin of this family name might be present in tribes of central Eurasia.
The root and exact pronunciation of this name might be present in ancient Scythian, Hunnish, Parthian, etc., languages of central Eurasia .
Clue to this family name might be present in plains of Eurasia and the languages spoken by the tribes located in this region in ancient times.
A prominent feature of many European languages is that alphabet "J" is replaced with alphabet "Y".
A simple example is name "Julia" is written and spoken as "Yulia" in many places throughout Eurasia, if i remember correctly.
So, if the word "Janghu", has ancient origins, which i think it has, then replacing "J" with "Y", it becomes "Yanghu".
It is very much possible that in ancient tribal terminology, it is a combination of two words "Yang + hu", where "Hu", can very well mean a "Hun".
"Jan" or ""Yan", is common Eurasian name for a male.
So, it is possible that origin of this family name might be present in tribes of central Eurasia.
The root and exact pronunciation of this name might be present in ancient Scythian, Hunnish, Parthian, etc., languages of central Eurasia .
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