hemanthooda
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Very Valid point Akshay bhai!!!
Tham jya daniBang on point uncleji!
Hum log engineer, doctor, IAS ban gaye hai fir bhi 10-10 rupaye ikatthe karte ghum rahe hai, wo bhi cold blooded murderers ke liye.
Here no one has objected to the first point which says no same-gotra marriage. Accepted by all here! Everyone here is absolutely fine with it.
I would like to highlight few things about so called panchayats/Khaps.
What is the role of KHAP/Panchayats? As per my knowledge it is to maintain peace and harmony and good relations among all the people living in same village or nearby villages(BHAICHARRA!?)(and for development which they never do). Par ye role panchayts kitni achi trah nibhati hai, kuch btane ki jarurat nahi hai shayad. Roj gaam me 4 janya ke sir foote rah se gaal/pani/dolya ke baabat. Panchayat baithe se, samjhauta hove se(formality), er fer teeesre din lath/jeli uth jya se. Er koe faisla b hove se to uske haq me jiske ken faltu aadmi bolte ho, che wo galat ho. (Er rakesh bhai je gaam me rahen ke saal gine te baat banti ho to mere bhai main 16 saal gaam me e rahya hu (u lived 9 as per u). To bhai thoda bhot gyaan humne b se panchayata ka)
Gaon me skool nahi 5vi te upar, kichkad machya rah 12 mass, bijli aamti nahi, aave se to 2 phace kare bina bulb b nahi jalta. In sari baata pe kade koi panchayat nahi baith-ti. Gaon me pisa aave se gaal banwan ke naam ka, sarpanch ke ghar ke ore-dhore banwa ke er baki pisya ne dakaar jya se. Social development ke naam pe ZERO se ye panchayat. Baat karo so Indian development ki er pise katthe karo so log marniya khatir.
Ye panchayte dohra mapdand rakhti hai. isme jiski lathi uski bhains hoti hai. ek udharan to main de chuka hu. Kise panchaati ki jubaan nahi paatti us link pe ak panchayat ne mamla kyu dba diya. Chori ki ijjat, ijjat nahi hoti ke?
And Nitin has projected a very true situation in our villages. Jvaar/eenkh me ke ke hove se aade kise te samjhaan ki jarurat koni. USME BHOT GHANI SHAAN BADHE SE JAATA KI.
Paramparaye banti hai or tut-ti hai. Only one thing is permanent in this world and that is CHANGE. Nani ka goth dekhya karte, wo chhod diya. ye bhi parampara hi thi. Jato ka rivaaj the ye bhi ek. Badal di "khandka-dhaariyo" ne. In ne e badli hongi? ak court me koe kanoon pass hoya tha? mane ghna sa gyaan nahi is baat ka. Panchaati aadmi thodi torch si mariyo is baat pe!
Er koe sa bhai/kaaka/tau btave to nyu bhi bataiyo ak kyu badli thi?
Er jab bhi andolan/danga hove se, log bus/rail/dukaan fook deve se. tod fod kare se. Nuksaan kiska hoya? Chalo maan lo sarkari bus fook di 10-15. sarkar ka nuksaan hoya maan li. Eeb sarkar usne kit te poora karegi?? Usne bhi to pise kite te poore karne se. Apne dhore te to sarkar khareede nahi nayi bus. Vat jise tax badha ke 1-2% er pise bna le se. par yu bharna kisne pade se? Sarkar bhare se ya mhare jise aadmi bhaare se? samaan kharidniye e bhare se meri nigah me to. Mane to meri ghojh te jaanta dikhya kare, er aur kise bhai khatir sarkar apne dhore te madad karti ho to bera nahi.
Er ye Khap aale to khulle kahve se ke "nuksaan" ki jimevar sarkar hovegi. Meri to ya e samjh me aayi ke ye tod-fod ka poora plan bna rhe se. Ak delhi me jaa ke suniya ki ghar ke bahar guard/puliciye ne udavenge? Nuksaan to wo bhi se.
Koe bhi Jat yaha pe ek gotr ki marriage ka supporter nahi hai, na hi main hu. People are opposing this "honor killing". aadmi marna samsya ka samadhan nahi hai. Paramparao ko nibhane ki siksha deni jyada jaruri hai. sanskar ache milne chaiye bacho ko. Nyu 10-10 rupaye katthe kare te Jaat parampara ki shaan se to main ye 10 rupiye nahi de sakta. Meri antar-atma iski ijaajat nahi deti ki kisi khuni ko bachane ke liye main sahyog karu. I would rather donate it to a roadside beggar.
Dear VP &Vijay, from my child hood I realised the main two weaknesses of our community, to improve upon these, I am still trying my best in a humble way. Lack of education & unity, even at khap level I talk & work mainly on these two points. Brothers, I belong to yadav area, I have seen effect of education & unity on yadav community in last 45 years. We may or may not agree but all over in the country yadavs have gone much ahead to jats in all good fields. Even after getting highest possible degree, we donot behave accordingly, we need to improve our normal behaviour also. regards
Tham jya dani
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Aap gaon mein mujh se jyada rahe hain to aapne us stithi ko sudharne ke liye kya kiya?
Contradiction of statementmere hisab te to jo ye panch sarpanch ho se er ya fer ve jinka rasookh(ghna pisa, thothi bor nahi) ho se ore dhore ke gaama me. jan-pichan bnate hande ja se uren paren. ve e bane se unke pache, er ya to kade te chali aayi se. ib wa baat na rah rhi 50 saal pahla aali ke panchayat me sare sahi faisle hoya karete. Jiski lathi uski bhains se aaj ke tam me. er je tu ya baat jan ke janbhuj ke anjaan se parampara er apne customs ke naam pe te tera koe ilaaj nahi bhai.
Er bhai mera dada ne hath falaan ki jarurat na se. thati aadmi se wo er uski bhot ijjat se. ghar ghar me nahi, ore dhore ke 8 gama me bhi hai. aaj bhi koe rolla ho jya gaam me to bhaj ke bula ke le jange rohtak te mere dada ne.![]()
Contradiction of statement
Where??
Mane nyu to koni kahi ke mera daada pise aala se, ya sarpanch tha kade gaam ka?? He is well educated and gives right opinions, isliye ijjat hai uski. Er ore dhore ke gaamma me sabte bada bhi se jitna mane yaad se.. Er nyu bhi nahi kahi ke mera dada faisle sunaya kare. He just says the right thing. isliye ijjat ha uski aur isliye hi usko bula ke le ke jate hai.
Let me know where i contradicted my statements!![]()
JAT ki hasti tab tai rehngi jib lagg uski bazooaan main dum hain - Elle
( Nothing else is required)
Bhai apna dada fainsle karwawe to samajhdar aur padha likha doosre ka dad karwawe to rishwatkhor aur matlabi. Fainsale ye e hoya kare apas mein sulah samjhota karwana. do thread upar aapne hi likha tha inke karwaye fainsle ek din nahi tikte fer aap to dada ko mana karte honge.
Ye wohe log hain jo samaj mein aage aake bole hain. Ye gujar jange to aage padhe likhe ar samajhdar aadmi ban-ne band na howe aur inka koye election nahi hota aadmi dekh ke mojij log ikatha honge is madad ke liye gujarish karte hain
Bro you again took me in anothey way. Mane ya baat kahi bhi nahi likhi ki mera dada faisle karwawe se. Wo sahi baat kahta hai aur sahi admi ka samarthan karta hai. Faisla lena panch or sarpanch ka kaam se. Unki marji mane ya na mane mere dada ki baat. Er gaam guhand ki sharam me jana pade se usne na to wo khud ja ke raji konya. sudhi kahya kare ke meri baat to tum mano na, kyu ghasito so mane. Par log jabardasti le ke jaya kare ak tau chaal, chalna padega. He always says ki aaj kal wo panchayat na rah rhi. Nire badmash baithe se. koe kise ki na sunta. sab apni chalawe se. And these are his words not mine.
Aur mane bera se kunse mojij aadmi baith ke kunse mojij aadmi ne chunya kare. He will be the most influencial person among all the others who either has held a good post in government some point or he has lots of money and links or he has been sarpanch for many times of one village er usne haanda-firi kar rakhi ho apne link banaan tayi. Right candidate will always be missing. EK aadmi bta de bhai gareeb ghar ka jo kise khaap ka pradhaan ho ya bna ho kade!
Aur panchayat agar gaon ki development ke liye kaam kare to sabne suhavegi bhai. Er je khadi e us tam pe hove jab koi gotr-vivad ho jya to bhai I'm not a supporter of such panchayat. And exceptions are always there in every field of life.
PS : Never meant to offend you anywhere.![]()
First of all, stop assuming things! Main agar kisi thik baat ke hak me bolta hu, aur 5 aadmi usko galat samjhte hai to meri thik baat "faisla" nahi ho jati. Thik baat bolna aur usko 'faisle" me convert karna 2 alag-alag baate hai. Kitne e gin le gaam ke rolle, gaal me pani babat ho, keht ke dolle babat ho, ya fer gitwade babat ho. Panchayat hmesha us admi ke hak me faisla deti hai aaj ke tam me jo ruabdaar ho gaon me. Gareeb ki to jyaat bhi na bujhi janti panchayt me.Apki wo sahi baat dosre ke liye fainsla hai. Khandwadhari urf Panchayati urf jo bhi kahein wo bhi yehi kaam karte hai bas itna farak hai unki baat ek TALIBANI FAINSLE ki shakal aikhtiyar kar leti hai. I am not saying anything else just read your own statements from diffrent angle be your own judge. Tu apne aap ko itna defend kyon kar raha hai? Mujhe agar tu kahega ki mere dadaji logo ke fainsle karwate hain to mere dil mein unki Izzat kam nahi hogi balki badhegi .Ye kaam harek ke baska nahi log sache aur seedhe aadmi ko hi aise kaam ke liye bulate hain.Unki ek izzat hai aur wo sahi baat bolte hain isliye unki baat ko fainsla mana jata hai.baki bhi aise hi log hain. Ek baar dekh ke to aa panchayati kunsi gadiyo mein ghumte hain aur unka pehnawa kya hota hai. 90% bus yatra karte hain ya fir sajhi jeep(without AC) karke jate hain.Unko bhi pata hai ki unki baat kisi ko man-ni nahi par fir bhi samaj ki sharam hai jo unhe majboor karti hai.
Judge itna bawla na hota ke koi ro de er faisla uske hak me suna de. nyu te kise ne saja e na hove poori duniya me. Er na uski maa ka byot itna ke judge tai pise khuwa de hai wa faisla hak me karwaan tai. Khoon kiya tha to saja mili aur main is baat ka support karta hu ki jo faisla judge ne diya wo bilkul sahi tha. khoon karne ka hak kisi ko nahi.
Deepak, it is wrong to state that a judge is always right, some time they passed judgment/order on presumption and surmise, without applying judicious mind. And in such kind of cases like murder, rape etc rarely found any eye witnesses so need to decide on the basis of circustancial evidence.A judge has to be extra careful considering such evidences. There are no of judgements those reversed by appellat court in appeal.As per my view this judgement will also be reversed(am damm sure about it legally) and it is not supposed to be rarest of rare case which required death penalty.
Judge itna bawla na hota ke koi ro de er faisla uske hak me suna de. nyu te kise ne saja e na hove poori duniya me. Er na uski maa ka byot itna ke judge tai pise khuwa de hai wa faisla hak me karwaan tai. Khoon kiya tha to saja mili aur main is baat ka support karta hu ki jo faisla judge ne diya wo bilkul sahi tha. khoon karne ka hak kisi ko nahi.
Deepak, it is wrong to state that a judge is always right, some time they passed judgment/order on presumption and surmise, without applying judicious mind. And in such kind of cases like murder, rape etc rarely found any eye witnesses so need to decide on the basis of circustancial evidence.A judge has to be extra careful considering such evidences. There are no of judgements those reversed by appellat court in appeal.As per my view this judgement will also be reversed(am damm sure about it legally) and it is not supposed to be rarest of rare case which required death penalty.
Sanjay bhaisaab, I was just opposing the comment given by Rakesh bhai ki us ladki ki maa ro padi court me aur judge ne uska rona dekh kar saja suna di. I agree with you that judges not always take decisions with their judicious minds. par wo kisi ka rona dekh kar bhi faisla nahi sunate.
Sanjay bhaisaab, I was just opposing the comment given by Rakesh bhai ki us ladki ki maa ro padi court me aur judge ne uska rona dekh kar saja suna di. I agree with you that judges not always take decisions with their judicious minds. par wo kisi ka rona dekh kar bhi faisla nahi sunate.
Bhai rona dekh ke judgment likhte hon e to sab ja ke ron lag jan. But some time judge have under tremendious pressure of media and the case instead of court trail became media trail. there is no. of example in which lower judiciary has decided case under media pressure like BMW case which was than reversed by Delhi High Court.
Bhai rona dekh ke judgment likhte hon e to sab ja ke ron lag jan. But some time judge have under tremendious pressure of media and the case instead of court trail became media trail. there is no. of example in which lower judiciary has decided case under media pressure like BMW case which was than reversed by Delhi High Court.
Decision of Court is sure shot a conspiracy. The lady judge is mere a pawn in the game. The entire episode is to tame 'independent mindset' JATs.
Reason behind such a step is FEAR , fear of unknown , fear of JAT power & power of a JAT.
* Here point to remember is that JATs don't have nay institution like a Golden Temple(Sikhs) or any such , which can act as a symbolic figure for entire community... to unite us....had we had such a thing that would have been the first target.
IRONY :Same media claps for Saina Vijender Virender Sushil ...countless....but never supported the scientific cause behind their successes.
bhai ji khaap arr panchayati raaj me faraq ho s ........I do not know how true the story is, but it is very true about Jat community leaders that they vie with each other to get political mileage out of community forums by raising a bogey of irrelevant issues as it gets them publicity. They are less concerned about the broader interest of the community and the more important issues like betterment of education, employment, dowry system, female foeticide, roads, electricity etc. It is also true that the jealousy towards fellow Jats of equal or better status is a dominating factor of the Jat psyche. I have seen enough of it on this portal itself. Similarly, in politics two Jat leaders having equal political clout can never co-exist. (Jaise ek gaon mein do jhote nahin rah sakte). That is why in States like Haryana, Jats being the single largest vote bank had to cede the CM's chair to other communities several times (Bhagwat Dayal Sharma, Rao Birender Singh, Bhajan lal (twice or thrice), Banarsi Das Gupta). Similarly in Rajasthan, perhaps no Jat has ever been able to be CM as far as my knowledge goes or may be Ram Niwas Mridha once, but not very sure inspite of sizeable chunk of Jat votes there. UP politics is very complex. After Chaudhary Charan Singh's demise, Jats are being kept in straight jacket by the other communities viz. Brahamins, Rajputs and now Maya Mem Sahab who has totally side-lined the Jats - thanks to the intra-fighting. Powerful Jat leaders like Shri Tikait had to eat a humble pie sometime back when Madam's sleuths cracked down on him. It was really humiliating for all the Jats. If the trend of intra-fighting continues, time is not far when Jats will be completely routed politically even in the pocket boroughs dominated by them at present like Haryana.
bhai ji khaap arr panchayati raaj me faraq ho s ........
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