12 points by MahaPanchayat - How much you agree?

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hemanthooda said:
Dear All,

For your views!!!Would like to discuss for & againt the stand taken by Khap Mahapanchyat.

Looking forward for your opinion & suggestions.

Link is as following -

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...aryana-honour-killing/articleshow/5795965.cms

regards
Hemant Hooda
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ek dum sahi feslaa liyaa he khaap panchaayat ne | yo kaam pehlam ho jaanaa chaahiye thaa . aajaadi ke baad se hi jaaton ke virudh shadayanter rache jaa rahe hein inn bhaaman baaniyo dawaaraa . er kuchh jat bhai ( unko jat nahi kahanaa chaahiye) iss sab me unkaa saath de rahe he unkaa bhi saath me niptaaraa kar denaa chaahiye.
 
Ek baat to ebb pakk hi marriage act mein sansodhan ho kar rahega,
haan ek baat aur jo kuch fazuley khap/khere mein byah karan ki sochte hain vo ebbey kar liyo kyunki iske baad mauka nahi milega.
 
Gandhi kai bhi Goli maar di,
Nehru kai bhi Heart-Attack aa gya,
Subash Chander Bose ka bhi kuch beraa naa lagyaa
ARRRR main bhi aaj kaal thora bimaar rhaooon suunn
BERA NA ISS DESH KA KE HOWAI GAAA
 
The decision of Court should be upheld

I totally support the decision to hang the murderers. Just in the name of false pride, those muderers executed two people and took the law in their own hands. This can not be acceptable in democratic nation. This is not Taliban run state.
 
nitindev said:
I totally support the decision to hang the murderers. Just in the name of false pride, those muderers executed two people and took the law in their own hands. This can not be acceptable in democratic nation. This is not Taliban run state.
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but atleast ek gotra main shadi karne waloon ko nyat bahar kardena chahiye... hukka paani band... gannv main kabhi koi loan,job,visa processing ke liye koi inquiry aaye to us par bhi impact ho... this way we can set an example and put hold on promotion of these trends... these much reactions should be taken by khap panchayats in order to save our JAT Pride and culture...
 
tomarhitesh23 said:
but atleast ek gotra main shadi karne waloon ko nyat bahar kardena chahiye... hukka paani band... gannv main kabhi koi loan,job,visa processing ke liye koi inquiry aaye to us par bhi impact ho... this way we can set an example and put hold on promotion of these trends... these much reactions should be taken by khap panchayats in order to save our JAT Pride and culture...
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That makes sense. Hardly anyone would oppose such measures because certain minimums norms of prevailing healthy ethics have to be maintained.
 
The best and the only suitable action, if it really needs to be taken should be to ask them to leave the Village and disassociate themselves from Jat community. Loan, Visa and other things should not be impacted unless there is some criminal offence, this is entirely personal matter. Intention of such people is never to hurt other people but to live happily. In India, we have a big problem to poke nose into unnecessary and trivial matters and to take the things personally (Shania & Shoaib). If a Jat or any other caste person, marries outside his/her marriage, there are always people who are very unhappy with such decisions. But again this is personal matter, not legal as there is no motivation to harm any other person.

No one wants to marry within their own caste but it is a historical fact that Love is blind and such cases are quite rare. There are many other prevailing issues which affect the Jat Community pride on daily basis.


tomarhitesh23 said:
but atleast ek gotra main shadi karne waloon ko nyat bahar kardena chahiye... hukka paani band... gannv main kabhi koi loan,job,visa processing ke liye koi inquiry aaye to us par bhi impact ho... this way we can set an example and put hold on promotion of these trends... these much reactions should be taken by khap panchayats in order to save our JAT Pride and culture...
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महापंचायत में लिए गए फैसले
1. हिंदू विवाह अधिनियम में संशोधन किया जाए। इस संशोधन के तहत खून व दूध के रिश्ते, खुद के गोत्र व मां के गोत्र में शादियां नहीं होंगी। यह प्रावधान अधिनियम में किया जाए।
2.गांव की गांव में और जिस गोत्र का गांव में खेड़ा हो, उस मुख्य गोत्र की लड़की उसी गांव में ब्याही नहीं जाएगी।
3. सीमा लगते हुए गांवों में भी शादियां नहीं की जाएंगी।
4. मनोज-बबली हत्याकांड में 10-10 रुपये इकट्ठा कर फांसी की सजा प्राप्त पांच लोगों का केस हाईकोर्ट में लड़ा जाएगा।
5. मंदिर और कोर्ट शादी में गवाह के रूप में दोनों पक्षों के माता-पिता, गांव के नंबरदार, सरपंच होने चाहिए। यदि इनके अलावा कोई गवाह होता है तो यह शादी मान्य नहीं होगी।
6. खाप पंचायतों के फैसलों को लोक अदालतों का दर्जा देकर उन्हे मान्यता दी जाए।
7. जनगणना 2010 में सभी अपना वैदिक धर्म लिखवाएं।
8. जो नेता व संगठन पंचायतों के खिलाफ बोलते है, उनकी कड़े शब्दों में निंदा की जाए।
9. दिल्ली में यदि कोई आंदोलन होता है तो उसकी तारीख का फैसला बाद में किया जाएगा।
10. आंदोलन के दौरान राज्य अथवा दिल्ली में कहीं भी कोई नुकसान होता है तो सरकार की जिम्मेदारी होगी।
11. जिला स्तर पर 36 बिरादरी की कमेटी गठित की जाए।
12. जिला बार एसोसिएशनों से सामाजिक मुद्दों पर संघर्ष में सहयोग लिया जाए।

Kindly vote.
Also please share only with points you agree with and points not.

*Kindly read last poll option as 12 (Don't know how to edit the poll) and first one as less than or equal to 3.
 
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If muslim personal law board is present , then why not amendment in Hindu marriage act to avoid shaadi in same gotra.Otherwise implement uniform civil code.

THis is discrimination, this is high time that we as a community do some serious brain storming to find some viable solution.These things will go on happening coz of politicians we choose & JATs as a community is not united.We need some towering figure like Ch Charan Singh / Tau Devilal to unite all Jats.

Pl note that whole media is very critical of Khaps.

I agree with Hitesh & Vijay that such couples(who marry in same gotra) must be socially boycotted.
 
I think only point no. 1, 2, 3 and 7 are valid and to collect 10-10 Rs is most absurd point. Punishment has to commensurate with the offense, taking lives for illegal marriage does not seem to be apt to me. The root cause is not being addressed here - the shortage of female due to foeticide on account of social disease like "dowry" are the main culprit. Unless the prevention is thought about by digging deeper into "why" and where thing went wrong, the problem will outshine the solution. The very genesis of this problem is - overall social degaradation where young people are clueless about right and wrong, where corruption, lies and illegal money are termed right at home and boasted about, the right and wrong becomes obscure to their young minds. The need is to lift overall social fiber as few knots here and there would not solve any purpose to a worn out cloth.
The khap panchayat has to take up relevant issues of far better consequence like dowry, female foeticide, Government teachers not turning up for classes, corruption at panchayat level etc .

Regards
 
Punishment has to commensurate with the offense, taking lives for illegal marriage does not seem to be apt to me. The root cause is not being addressed here - the shortage of female due to foeticide on account of social disease like "dowry" are the main culprit. Unless the prevention is thought about by digging deeper into "why" and where thing went wrong, the problem will outshine the solution. The very genesis of this problem is - overall social degaradation where young people are clueless about right and wrong, where corruption, lies and illegal money are termed right at home and boasted about, the right and wrong becomes obscure to their young minds. The need is to lift overall social fiber as few knots here and there would not solve any purpose to a worn out cloth.

The khap panchayat has to take up relevant issues of far better consequence like dowry, female foeticide, Government teachers not turning up for classes, corruption at panchayat level etc. And, they seriously need PR firms to bolster their chance with media, being called Taliban will severely damage their chance even with sympathizers

Regards​
 
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Although I do not support any of the points above but still Ok with point No 1,2,3. Remaining all look weird.

@Jitu: There is no option for 3 :) Either less than three or starts with 4 ??? :D
So I vote for Less than 3 :)

Also, 12 is replaced by 10 again ... typo
 
point 1: Valid point and is inline with common hindu traditions.
point 2&3: Dnt agree. They are not followed by even rajasthani jats leave apart hindus.
point 4: Can't Agree. Helping the criminals is not a good gesture and this point somewhere will add a reason indirectly for the gov. to not even listen you seriously (so u will loose ground on rest of the points also)
point 5 : Can't Agree. Marriage of too legal adults should be their decision and restricting the witness list is against the right to marry by choice. Court marriage are to support people to want to marry with choice(and legal) but if family and others don't agree with them. In that sense, point 5 diminishes the whole purpose of court marriage.
point 6: No way. These guys have already proved how intelligent and lawfull decision they can take. Never hope this to happen.
point 7: valid point.
point 8: :) use your right to speak. However you cant force others to speak what you want.
point 10: seedhi dadagiri :) well jats can make that happen i m sure :)
point 11 &12 : no personal view.

Ok, having said that, I feel most of these points are related to haryana jats so they really does not represent the whole jat community and hence al hindus. So how can anyone expect that based on that, hindu marriage law can/should be updated.

regards,
narendra
 
rameshlakra said:
Punishment has to commensurate with the offense, taking lives for illegal marriage does not seem to be apt to me. The root cause is not being addressed here - the shortage of female due to foeticide on account of social disease like "dowry" are the main culprit. Unless the prevention is thought about by digging deeper into "why" and where thing went wrong, the problem will outshine the solution. The very genesis of this problem is - overall social degaradation where young people are clueless about right and wrong, where corruption, lies and illegal money are termed right at home and boasted about, the right and wrong becomes obscure to their young minds. The need is to lift overall social fiber as few knots here and there would not solve any purpose to a worn out cloth.

The khap panchayat has to take up relevant issues of far better consequence like dowry, female foeticide, Government teachers not turning up for classes, corruption at panchayat level etc. And, they seriously need PR firms to bolster their chance with media, being called Taliban will severely damage their chance even with sympathizers

Regards​
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Lakra Ji,

Thought Provoking points.Most of the people here dont support killing of such couples.

Khaps must guide the Jat samaj to reach new heights.Agree with you.

regards
Hemant Hooda
 
Jitender Bhai, any option for not supporting anyone of these points ? If not so then i can convince myself to agree with the half part ( Bold ) of the first point ONLY.


jitendershooda said:
1. हिंदू विवाह अधिनियम में संशोधन किया जाए। इस संशोधन के तहत खून व दूध के रिश्ते, खुद के गोत्र व मां के गोत्र में शादियां नहीं होंगी। यह प्रावधान अधिनियम में किया जाए।
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99.99% Jat population don't marry within same gotra or mother's gotra by their own will and happpiness. Then why we need to make law for this ?

Do you really think that for the .000000000000000001% of the Total Jat population ( who go against this ) we need amendment in the Hindu Marriage Act.

So i agree only with the half part.

jitendershooda said:
2.गांव की गांव में और जिस गोत्र का गांव में खेड़ा हो, उस मुख्य गोत्र की लड़की उसी गांव में ब्याही नहीं जाएगी।
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This is not uniformly practiced by the overall Jat community. A region specific tradition should not and cannot be forced on overall Jat population.

So , Can't agree.


jitendershooda said:
3. सीमा लगते हुए गांवों में भी शादियां नहीं की जाएंगी।
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Every village have border with some other villeges and those villeges with many other villeges. So how many villeges should be avoided ? Not feasible in present day scenario.

So, can't agree.


jitendershooda said:
4. मनोज-बबली हत्याकांड में 10-10 रुपये इकट्ठा कर फांसी की सजा प्राप्त पांच लोगों का केस हाईकोर्ट में लड़ा जाएगा।
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By helping those killers Khaps are appreciating and supporting the honor killing.

There is no way to agree on this point.

jitendershooda said:
5. मंदिर और कोर्ट शादी में गवाह के रूप में दोनों पक्षों के माता-पिता, गांव के नंबरदार, सरपंच होने चाहिए। यदि इनके अलावा कोई गवाह होता है तो यह शादी मान्य नहीं होगी।
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अगर दोनों पक्षों के माता पिता , गाँव के नम्बरदार और सरपंच उनकी शादी के लिए राज़ी हो तो क्या उन्हें काले कुत्ते ने काटा है जो मंदिर या कोर्ट में शादी करने जायेंगे |

Most stupid point and no way to agree on this.

jitendershooda said:
6. खाप पंचायतों के फैसलों को लोक अदालतों का दर्जा देकर उन्हे मान्यता दी जाए।
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Khaps are already loosing their significance and penetration among the Jat population by imposing some disgusting and stupid decision. Court should plan to ban such panchayats.

Don't agree.

jitendershooda said:
7. जनगणना 2010 में सभी अपना वैदिक धर्म लिखवाएं।
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This have nothing to do with social problems of Jats. Neither it can help the Khaps to stop these type of marriages.

Just a burdon on the so called Jat Manifesto.

jitendershooda said:
8. जो नेता व संगठन पंचायतों के खिलाफ बोलते है, उनकी कड़े शब्दों में निंदा की जाए।
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और जो लोग हत्यारों की सहायता करते हैं उनकी तारीफ़ करनी चाहिए !


jitendershooda said:
9. दिल्ली में यदि कोई आंदोलन होता है तो उसकी तारीख का फैसला बाद में किया जाएगा।
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Is it a point ?

jitendershooda said:
10. आंदोलन के दौरान राज्य अथवा दिल्ली में कहीं भी कोई नुकसान होता है तो सरकार की जिम्मेदारी होगी।
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What can be achieved by this ?

jitendershooda said:
11. जिला स्तर पर 36 बिरादरी की कमेटी गठित की जाए।
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So that some new faces can get recognition and maybe some political mileage.

jitendershooda said:
12. जिला बार एसोसिएशनों से सामाजिक मुद्दों पर संघर्ष में सहयोग लिया जाए।
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Is marriage issue is the only social issue ? These panchayat naver made any headline by putting up their efforts to eradicate any social sickness among the mass. There are so many other important issues but that hardly reward them with such a limelight.


Overall i agree with just half of the first point ONLY.
 
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