2nd World jat Convention- A measurable step forward in the right direction.

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Dear Col Malik,
5 days before the event I was requested in writing by this organisation on its letter head to serve as the Spokesman of the 2nd world jat Aryan Foundation.

Although the Stadium was booked almost 6 months in advance this short notice made a difficult task even more challenging. I dont know who this character Rajnish is or even how he is connected with this event. But in that short period I was able to obtain prominent coverage of the event in National and regional media going by the flood of emails and telephone calls that I have received.

It is true that I did not project certain points thatwere put before me because i felt they served only some narrow, selfish and short sighted interests. I refused for instance to use the term Aryan because it is pedantic, sectarian and limits both the scope and relevance of the kaum in a world of new opportunities and emerging identities.

There were a few other matters but i have chosen not to dwell on them and instead to focus only on the positive aspects of the event. Master Rajneesh is on very thin ice here and were he not a complete stranger to me I would deal with him in a suitable manner. But Jatland is not the forum for that and I have no intention of allowing him to vitiate the atmosphere by this uncouth attempt at bluff and bluster. He has insulted members seeking information about the event on this site for their curiosity and certainly I have counselled him strongly against this in a private post. If need be I shall have the letter scanned and posted in reply to his shabby little notice that seeks only to draw attention to himself by using the little Dug dugi or damroo. But this was an international event and as members of the Kaum we have a right and aresponsibility to attend and comment and report on what we saw, with or without any letter of authority.

My posts on this subject speak for me in this regard and I need not elaborate beyond the limits of decorum and dignity demanded by this site and the Kaum.If I have not done as I have said in this regard either in letter or spirit Iam prepared to offer an unqualified apology. But how or why doesone apologise to some one one doesnt even know or recognise.
Good wishes and respects
Amit

Lt Col Jagmohan Malik (Retd) (Mar 17, 2004 01:20 a.m.):
Dear All,

In one of the posts, post No 6 I think, this is what Mr Amit wrote

"Amit Dahiyabadshah (Mar 06, 2004 07:46 a.m.):

Dear Ajmer,Ravi and Piyush

I was given the opportunity to serve the event as its spokesman and also to present the Keynote address....

Yours thoughtfully
Amit"

Mr Rajnish and Mr Amit can only clarify the point.

Thanks,

Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
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Amit,

I agree with you. and thanks a lot for a very balanced and informative reporting on conference. But as said in the earlier post apparently u used the word 'offcial spokesperson' somewhere. Anyway it doesnt matter if u were the official spokesperson or not, wat matters is that you did exactly what was to be done. That is to share information, opinions and observations. Jatland is a forum for interaction and not for sending notices and fighting legal and political battles.

Mandeep
 
I fully agree with the views expressed by Mandeep that Jatland is not the forum to serve notices and ofcourse not the forum to use inapproprite words for members. This is a forum for meaningful interaction. May be the moderators of site do not let such issues be brought to the site.

Rajendra
 
Dear Amit,

Thanks for the clarification.

I agree with the views expressed by Rajendra Ji & mandeep Ji.

Let us all look forward and do something positive. We all have a right to comment on what we see, hear, read and talk and no one should question this right. Differences are ought to be there in perception but then mature individuals know where to draw the line.

Thanks and regards,

Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
 
Mandeep,
The only reason why I am not posting the scanned copy of the letter officially appointing me as the spokesman for the conference is because it achieves nothing to prove that some one is using this forum to tell a blatant barefaced lie instead of doing something useful with this space.
Regards
Amit


Mandeep Bamal (Mar 18, 2004 01:50 p.m.):
Amit,

I agree with you. and thanks a lot for a very balanced and informative reporting on conference. But as said in the earlier post apparently u used the word 'offcial spokesperson' somewhere. Anyway it doesnt matter if u were the official spokesperson or not, wat matters is that you did exactly what was to be done. That is to share information, opinions and observations. Jatland is a forum for interaction and not for sending notices and fighting legal and political battles.

Mandeep
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Amit Dahiyabadshah (Mar 18, 2004 10:42 p.m.):
Mandeep,
The only reason why I am not posting the scanned copy of the letter officially appointing me as the spokesman for the conference is because it achieves nothing

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Official or not is somewhat irrelevant.

In our community everyone has a right to think, participate and contribute, and to be treated as an equal, irrespective of personal wealth and status.

At this point,in the issue of clarity, you should post the letter, as evidence, and the issue should then be closed.

Otherwise someone will raise the issue, a year from now, and we can all revisit the issue and waste more time.

The overall issues facing our community are too great to be bogged down or be sidetracked.

People have different ways of contributing.

One could even ask what is the need for a new organization- the World Jat Aryan Organization ?.

There is the Jat Mahasabha, the SarvKhap of Haryana which is 1,500 years old.

It had its departments of culture, education,( defence- now part of greater Bharat).

The Gurukul system evolved from that. Their schools languish without funds.

The infrastructure is already there.

If we can ( and we should) swallow our petty egos.

Why not build on something, with a great tradition and history, rather than invent something new ?


Ravi
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Ravi,
Point taken and anyway since this crude notice I should not be bound by any explicit or even implicit committment to confidentiality. The need for something new instead of revitalising some traditional institution is simply that the greatest crisis facing the kaum i feel is that of Frozen Creativity.

To work around it would be hard enough in anew set up but perhaps impossible in an instution where peoples are reinforced by tradition and even dead habits.

My parents were both snaathaks of Gurukul Kangri , my father was literally raised from infancy by Swami Shraddhanad Ji at Purani Bhoomi, my maternal grandfather Prof Lal Chand served there as professor and principal. The Mahasabha is another case in point and already there are two clones of one frozen organisation. I am saying this after attending several meets where not a single suggestion for change or development was acted upon.

A new approach of a conceptual organisation willing to work with every one by providing research based solutions, reference, conectivity, facilitation, and communication catalysts may posssibly serve our purpose better in the mid term and definitely in the long term.

Your comments pl.

Regards
Amit



Ravi Chaudhary (Mar 19, 2004 03:22 p.m.):
Amit Dahiyabadshah (Mar 18, 2004 10:42 p.m.):
Mandeep,
The only reason why I am not posting the scanned copy of the letter officially appointing me as the spokesman for the conference is because it achieves nothing

***********

Official or not is somewhat irrelevant.

In our community everyone has a right to think, participate and contribute, and to be treated as an equal, irrespective of personal wealth and status.

At this point,in the issue of clarity, you should post the letter, as evidence, and the issue should then be closed.

Otherwise someone will raise the issue, a year from now, and we can all revisit the issue and waste more time.

The overall issues facing our community are too great to be bogged down or be sidetracked.

People have different ways of contributing.

One could even ask what is the need for a new organization- the World Jat Aryan Organization ?.

There is the Jat Mahasabha, the SarvKhap of Haryana which is 1,500 years old.

It had its departments of culture, education,( defence- now part of greater Bharat).

The Gurukul system evolved from that. Their schools languish without funds.

The infrastructure is already there.

If we can ( and we should) swallow our petty egos.

Why not build on something, with a great tradition and history, rather than invent something new ?


Ravi
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Dear Friends,

I thought I have had my say on the topic. After reading the latest India today, I have no option but to alert every jat that there is not much time at our disposal if we want to find any place in the race to progress in modern India. If we keep debating and criticising each other, please be sure that we will be living at the alms which future goverments will give to those below poverty line. High time we reach to every village and form honest and sincere groups who are not looking for exposue and power, but for the upliftment of the community. India today is talking of becoming a developed country by 2020. High time we take a serious look if we Jats are poised to be there along with rest of the nation or preferably much before. We can not wait for Gram Panchayats to take us there or the state Goverments to take there. We have to get active right now if our future generations have to keep their heads high. As told many times, its not the resources which will bring this change, but our honest and the clear headedness in our objective. We do not need leaders who can give long bhasans, we need those who can toil among our masses and help them see the future ahead and how to reach there. Time is to act and share the experience with each other. Let these discussions change to repoting the progress on various fronts. To me this is like an emergency where we have to rush with an ambulence and with all the medicines....and not sitting away from the crisis and just praying for its welbeing.

Rajendra
 
Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Mar 20, 2004 11:39 a.m.):
Dear Friends,To me this is like an emergency where we have to rush with an ambulence and with all the medicines....and not sitting away from the crisis and just praying for its welbeing.

Rajendra
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Agreed

Ravi
 
The Development of a country like India can be brought about only on the basis of technological advancement and skilled and educated people. Education, Vocational training and technology transfer are the only ways to improve the living standard of Jats in India and Haryana. 70% of people are engaged in agriculture in India. Most of the Jats are still well off. But entrepeneurship must be encouraged in Jats. Setting up some kind of regional indubator to encourage Jats to implement their ideas can be one of the solutions.and also there must be a change in attitude of Jats. I have rarely come across a Jat businessman. Most of Jats I know are in Army or Police of employed by public sector. Since agriculture alone can not support the community for long, it is essential to bring about some kind of a change in attitude of youth, specially in rural areas. In punjabis if someone is not good at studies, he is immediately taken off studies and made to provide a helping hand in the family business. But a Jat never bothers to do these so called "menial" jobs of running a shop or any other similar profession. I am not saying that Jats should do start running a job, but i mean to say that Jats should take advantage of the development thats happening now days in India and should be more open to other possiblities. Haryana should have a growth rate of around 10% if it to become developed by 2020. Nowdays its around 5%. I have no idea how this all is going to happen but I am gald that some very nice and realistic ideas are being discussed on this forum.
 
Despite the difficulties, challenges and indeed frustrations of organising such meetings, the need of the day is to meet more, organise better, facilitate properly and finally to reach formal written conclusions with time lines and plans of action, where ownership of processes is clear and practiced.

Amit
 
Hello Guys,

There are positive comments and negative comments about this Jat convention held in Delhi. Everybody has the right to express the opinion, but it should be thoughtful opinion, not just off the cuff remarks like it was political motivated convention. Human beings are political animal and we can never separate the political motive from this kind of events. The larger issue is how we JATS around the world come on one platform and get our collective force in right direction. That right direction could be education, administration, farming related issues, and larger then all how we control our own destiny. If we have earned tons of money and fame, it would still not be sufficient until we play a significant role and control the political platform at a national level, state & local level.

Before we make scanty comments, we should look within ourselves and examine, what we have done for the community & family. It's easy to make comments, but very hard to perform duties at such platforms. Guys, it's not easy.

I was in India during this convention and could not participate due to my business appointments. My father did participate in this event and he had lot of praises for the function. I did talk to Prof. Gehlawat 2 days before the convention and I can tell you he has put more then 100% of his energy in organizing this function. He himself was running around to make all the arrangements with very little help from our own community. I did whatever help remotely I could have done, but I felt the pain Prof. Gehlawat has taken and organized such a wonderful function. As a community we should work towards coming closer. Questions like are Muslim & Sikh Jats should be included in such Jat gatherings should not be the major issues in our brothers mind. People have the individual identity, community's collective identity, community's particular religion might have different identity for themselves, but when we talk about our history and historical roots, we all Jats have same traits and background, so we should stand together collectively on such national platforms and work towards our progress.

There was political representation from BJP side, the visible stalwart leader Mr. Sahib Singh Verma was present. Our community leaders should make efforts to bring other party leaders collectively. We should think it as a community event, not an event organized by a party. Participation from people from all walks of like, like professional, politics, administration, agriculture, & scientific community.

The representation or attendance would go up as it becomes more popular and more people get active in coming years. It's a good start.

Thanks,

OP Choudhary




Piyush Tomar (Mar 04, 2004 07:48 a.m.):
Dear Sir,
It was a poor gethering out there..the motive was only political!!
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I am just cutting and pasting one of the replies of the chain below.
I belong to a business (Finance company, Hotel , Resturant ++++farm house hahahaha JAT hai to farm house to hoga hi hoga family and so is everyone in my khandan.

C L Verma ( DLF, Running a well known FAN company and make tullo pump and motor for coolers) is one of the richest Jat in India.

Well I have business preposition for all of you's. Well atleast help all the JAT members of JATLAND group and their families in reducing the phone bills for international calls.

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calls can easily be made from anywhere to anywhere.

I roughly make 10 % monthly residual ongoing commission on hardwork done once in my life.

For more details browse my website and my phone numbers and email ID are listed below.

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Regards
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So please don't say JATS cannot do business we can we will but for some unknown reason we are not trying.

The Development of a country like India can be brought about only on the basis of technological advancement and skilled and educated people. Education, Vocational training and technology transfer are the only ways to improve the living standard of Jats in India and Haryana. 70% of people are engaged in agriculture in India. Most of the Jats are still well off. But entrepeneurship must be encouraged in Jats. Setting up some kind of regional indubator to encourage Jats to implement their ideas can be one of the solutions.and also there must be a change in attitude of Jats. I have rarely come across a Jat businessman. Most of Jats I know are in Army or Police of employed by public sector. Since agriculture alone can not support the community for long, it is essential to bring about some kind of a change in attitude of youth, specially in rural areas.
 
Ravi,

I never said that Jats cant do business. I said that they should be encouraged to look beyond public sector and agricultural employment.
 
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