A Call On All Jat Brothers

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Hi All,

I would like us all to join hands and resources either intellectual or financial to work toward a common goal bringing happiness to the life of our fellow brothers who are deprived of basic amenities First of all mere talking will serve nothing we have to convert words in action. Since long time I am thinking of making a group of some like minded people who can give some amount of their time to work for uplift of our people.

Some of things that are in my mind are :-


1. We have to create a level playing field for the children who are staying in villages who by no means can compete with children who are studying in city’s. The biggest obstacle for them to date is English we therefore need to make a action plan increase the level of education in villages .
2. In wake of globalization things are changing at very fast pace I am afraid that if don’t take timely action we will be left far behind, We can take example of states like Andrapardesh who are taking full benefit of this IT revolution what about us .We have hardly one software engineer per village leave things like biotechnology .
3. We have to start a awareness campaign to let people know that there are enough jobs for you guys in the private sectors like IT,BioTechnology,Retail,Airlines to name a few the only thing is that you have to work hard for that and we have to become the guiding light for those passionate students who in spite having intelligence are not able to anything because they have no one to show the right path.
4. We have to bring this phobia out of everone’s mind that there is no job without sifarish and money .



I have great expectation from you guys because when we have a will to do and soul to dare there nothing in this world that we can not accomplish .
 
nirajsihag said:
Hi All,

I would like us all to join hands and resources either intellectual or financial to work toward a common goal bringing happiness to the life of our fellow brothers who are deprived of basic amenities First of all mere talking will serve nothing we have to convert words in action. Since long time I am thinking of making a group of some like minded people who can give some amount of their time to work for uplift of our people.

Some of things that are in my mind are :-


1. We have to create a level playing field for the children who are staying in villages who by no means can compete with children who are studying in city’s. The biggest obstacle for them to date is English we therefore need to make a action plan increase the level of education in villages .
2. In wake of globalization things are changing at very fast pace I am afraid that if don’t take timely action we will be left far behind, We can take example of states like Andrapardesh who are taking full benefit of this IT revolution what about us .We have hardly one software engineer per village leave things like biotechnology .
3. We have to start a awareness campaign to let people know that there are enough jobs for you guys in the private sectors like IT,BioTechnology,Retail,Airlines to name a few the only thing is that you have to work hard for that and we have to become the guiding light for those passionate students who in spite having intelligence are not able to anything because they have no one to show the right path.
4. We have to bring this phobia out of everone’s mind that there is no job without sifarish and money .



I have great expectation from you guys because when we have a will to do and soul to dare there nothing in this world that we can not accomplish .
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Sihag saab
You have written really well.I want to know do you have any action plan/ground work for it.
 
Neeraj Bhai,
We already have a group through Jatland called 'Jan Jagriti'
website www.janjagriti.com
please have a look. And also the first thread of this page 'general forum' is jan jagriti - an awakening.
You are welcome to join this effort straight away.
You have raised the points which are their in our main vision and motto. Thats what we are working on.
Please go through the thread and the website.
 
my experience with them

Dear Niraj,
Nice thought, you can count on me for help.

But at this point i would like to share my experience with you.

I am based in Pune. I tried to extend help to around 4 people by giving them exployment in pune with salaries ranging from 5K to 8k but none of them countinued the jobs. sighting the reason that this is not enough money to meet their living. But as per my experience 4k to 5k is enough money to meet ur basic needs. moreover all of them were merely metric or graduates so i don't think that they had to maintain any status or expensive lifestyle products like car, mobile or multiplexs etc. but then the question is......what went wrong??????

I then closely discussed with their immediate bosses and all of them responded alike. according to their bosses all of them were" big liars, irresponsible, cheats and in nut & shell "kaamchor".

after this i spoke to these guys and their response was our bosses are idiots, they don't know their job, they don't treat me with respect.

after that i kept a close watch on their routine & the observation was:
- they will reach late to office & move out early
- they will not do the assigned task
- will always sit in the chair & chat
- yeh kaam mera nahi hae......is their punch line
- half of their time they will waste on PANSHOPS.
- evenings they will be drunk
- they will keep passing cheap remarks on ladies on streets
- they will not pay rent
- since i had introduced them to their bosses they will keep borrowing money from them on my name

Finally my reputation & prestige started suffering and so i gave up supporting them and now except for 1 all of them have been sent back.

the bottomline Mr. Niraj is that" there is no scarcity of work but our so called "poor & left behind brothers" lack "dignity of labour" and i don't know what can be done for them.

they want either a govenment job or if in private sector it should be office class where they will have cabin and people should be reporting to them, no hardwork for them please.

anyways you can count on me and let me know how i can contribute.

take care,
avinash
 
Hi Avinash,

I am really glad to hear from you and the best thing that you are in pune , I am also working in Pune will be coming to pune in july right now I am in Johannesburg.I agree with you and you had a really bad experience ,However we still need to take our chances and find out people who are really faithfull and need help.......................And you had done a really great task whatever the result may be hats off to your commitment to our society.
 
Dear Avinash,

A little introduction about www.janjagriti.com
This NGO was started around 2yrs back purely to bring our village kids at a level playing field with urbanites. English speaking was one of the thrust area followed by "moral education" . Sharing our experinces with them and opening the outside world to a village kid was another area and towards that Karan singh (A US citizen on soul searchig) stayed in the village Barhana (where this pilot project is running) for close to 8 months. Navin Gulia had been a force behind organising a big sports event, every year. The details of which are posted on the website.
An organisation set up and membership+ volunteer enrolment drive is another agenda on the anvil. Motivated people like both of u are an asset to the organisation. Vicky bhai we all have bad experinces, but "burai: ke darr sey "achai" nahin chodi jaati. Navin has a number of simillar stories to tell and some are really hilarious.
Kindly get in touch with Navin bhai and send in ur detail how u would like to contribute. To start with become a member to get a news letter and be abreast.
 
rameshlakra said:
Dear Avinash,

A little introduction about www.janjagriti.com
This NGO was started around 2yrs back purely to bring our village kids at a level playing field with urbanites. English speaking was one of the thrust area followed by "moral education" . Sharing our experinces with them and opening the outside world to a village kid was another area and towards that Karan singh (A US citizen on soul searchig) stayed in the village Barhana (where this pilot project is running) for close to 8 months. Navin Gulia had been a force behind organising a big sports event, every year. The details of which are posted on the website.
An organisation set up and membership+ volunteer enrolment drive is another agenda on the anvil. Motivated people like both of u are an asset to the organisation. Vicky bhai we all have bad experinces, but "burai: ke darr sey "achai" nahin chodi jaati. Navin has a number of simillar stories to tell and some are really hilarious.
Kindly get in touch with Navin bhai and send in ur detail how u would like to contribute. To start with become a member to get a news letter and be abreast.
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Ramesh Bhai,

I have just now gone through the Jan Jagriti website it is really great endeavor by you people who are striving to bring about a change in society and the mission statement and the agenda very much same that I am having in my mind. Then a few question popped up in my mind and the questions are……..

1. Area of operation still limited to only one or two villages although the society now working for more than two years as we have 7000 villages in Haryana what action plan we have for future that is not mentioned in website we should have planning at least five years in advance so that one year down the line we can check what goal we have met. we have to set goal for every individual and the organization as whole.
2. My secondary concern is that we not only have made efforts ourselves but we need to involve influential people and so that we can advice influence government in policy making.
3. we should contact local media like local newspapers and the best thing now days in the cable in every village that we can use to propagate our thoughts .we need to have good media partners.
4. There is no talk any knowledge pool that we need to build in order guide not only students of village but also students in cities.
5. There is no talk building any book bank that we can have by opening counters at various school, college and companies where people can donate books so that they can be given needy students.



So many other things there in my mind but now boss is calling will write down some other time.
 
how i can contribute

Dear Ramesh,

I have browsed through the website you mentioned and appreciate the good work JJians are doing doing.
About how I can contribute:
Let me give you a little background about myself, I am a mechanical engineer & MBA in marketing currently running my business in pune.

Earlier in my career I have worked for a company that is into rural education, empowerment & health/medical facilities. This company was into using information technology (IT) services to better the life of rural people by educating them, employing them & giving them primary health services. So I know a little about what JJ is trying to do. We can try to implement some schemes of education, primary health & basic employment for them.

My father is an Athletics coach with Sports Authority of India and currently posted in the Bhiwani sports hostel. We can take his help to further the sports activities.

My experience in working in rural areas is
• we should attempt at making them self supporting and charity cannot go a long way.
• Charity will not only spoil the motivation levels but also will take a toll on
the quality of your product. I hope being an army man Mr. Navin Gulia will
appreciate the value of self respect & dignity, which will come only from
self reliance.
• Try to make a self sustaining & powerful organization rather than an
organization that is solely dependent on external help to meet its needs.
It is my experience that the donator will try to use the organization to
fulfill his aims & visions rather than taking forward NGO's vision & aim.

Please ignore me if you think I have been rude or excessively assertive. These are my general & personal views and are no remark on JJ. Because JJ is your baby and I have no right whatsoever to comment on it. Please take my views as my personal ideology with all the probabilities that I may be wrong.

Please accept my total admiration & appreciation of your work because you have the courage to tread this selfless path of helping others.

I shall always be available to contribute my efforts.

take care,
Avinash Sheoran
 
hi niraj,
nice to know that u r based in pune. looking forward to your returning.
btw what r u doing in pune?
take care,
avinash
 
navingulia said:
Neeraj Bhai,
We already have a group through Jatland called 'Jan Jagriti'
website www.janjagriti.com
please have a look. And also the first thread of this page 'general forum' is jan jagriti - an awakening.
You are welcome to join this effort straight away.
You have raised the points which are their in our main vision and motto. Thats what we are working on.
Please go through the thread and the website.
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Hi niraj,
ramesh mentioned that you had organized a sports event for JJ. my father is with SAI if you need any help in sports related activities please let me know.
btw there is one Mr. Gullia who is also working with SAI, Do u know him?
take care,
avinash
 
Bhai Avinash,
Welcome to JJ.
JJ is not my baby, it’s the community effort, lots of friends involved. You are welcome to join and contribute in any way you want. When you want to do something good it cannot be bad, so just hop in, treat it as your own.
The problem you encountered with the Jat boys you got employment for is very common. To tell you what went wrong – The boys in Jat rural community and even in city families are spoilt brats. The parents pamper and spoil them. They think that getting them job is the problem of their parents, contacts or local politician and that too they want a damn good job i.e atleast 10,000 Rs even if the boy is only matriculate. The parents give them good food, no work (all work is given to girls), bike. These boys think life is easy.
When we try to motivate boys to study the parents say “Agar padhaai karakai e naukri diwaawaiga tai tera ke faayda, tannai tai jib maannaa jib sifarish tai naukri diwawai”
We are trying to change this mindset by spreading education and awareness.among kids and school children and of course elders too (although elders are least receptive).
We have been able to procure permission for a stadium to be opened in the village. It will be really good because it will give very creative and healthy output to the youth energy which otherwise is being diverted to mischief, fights and crime. It would be wonderful if SAI can organise some training camps of specific sports in the village.
Niraj bhai, Avinash bhai,
You can get in touch with me via email navingulia@yahoo.com or phone 9810245996
We need every single person to make this effort a success.
Regards
Navin Gulia
 
navingulia said:
Bhai Avinash,
Welcome to JJ.
JJ is not my baby, it’s the community effort, lots of friends involved. You are welcome to join and contribute in any way you want. When you want to do something good it cannot be bad, so just hop in, treat it as your own.
The problem you encountered with the Jat boys you got employment for is very common. To tell you what went wrong – The boys in Jat rural community and even in city families are spoilt brats. The parents pamper and spoil them. They think that getting them job is the problem of their parents, contacts or local politician and that too they want a damn good job i.e atleast 10,000 Rs even if the boy is only matriculate. The parents give them good food, no work (all work is given to girls), bike. These boys think life is easy.
When we try to motivate boys to study the parents say “Agar padhaai karakai e naukri diwaawaiga tai tera ke faayda, tannai tai jib maannaa jib sifarish tai naukri diwawai”
We are trying to change this mindset by spreading education and awareness.among kids and school children and of course elders too (although elders are least receptive).
We have been able to procure permission for a stadium to be opened in the village. It will be really good because it will give very creative and healthy output to the youth energy which otherwise is being diverted to mischief, fights and crime. It would be wonderful if SAI can organise some training camps of specific sports in the village.
Niraj bhai, Avinash bhai,
You can get in touch with me via email navingulia@yahoo.com or phone 9810245996
We need every single person to make this effort a success.
Regards
Navin Gulia
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Navin Bhai,

You are very right our people don't show any gratitude if you do any good to them,Bhagwan Sri Krishan nai gita mai kaha hai " Hai Arjun Samta mai siteh ho kar yudh kar" so we have to fight against these social evils to make our society more dynamic and enterprising we have to explore new horizons as we have 1000’s years of experience in agriculture domain we have to capitalize on that as retail sector is coming in we can put aside these middle mans who are sucking the blood of humble farmers from ages.
So we have to spread education at many levels and you guys are doing a wonderful job we have to do something like multilevel marketing so that our force multiply we need make it way of thinking and it should be nothing less than a revolution we are always the first whenever revolution comes whether it was freedom struggle or green revolution and we need to have a women wing so that we educate rural women and I think if someone is capable of bringing a change than that is our Domestic Managers(Our Mothers).
We have to revolutionize the way of thinking we have to bring harmony back in our society we have to again bring back the concept of joint families so that we can maximize output with minimal resources.

We have to bring a new dawn and the onus is on us…………………………..


“Swaraj Chaiya Apna Raj Chaiya Marta Dam Taak Hum Lade Gai Sawarj Chaiya”

Bhagwan Gita mai kehta hai “Hani Jab Jab Dharam Ki Hoya…..Adrhmi Pap Bij De Boya…..Daram Ka Karna Phir Udhar Mujhe Lena Padta Awatar Chodta Phir Nahi Pap Nissan”


Repeat The History And Let People See The Jat Uprising………………
 
A Call on All Jat Brothers

Bhai Log,
I truely appreciate your vision and efforts to do SOMETHING. Hats Off to all the guys involved in this campaign or any other campaign like that.
The bigger problem, at least in my opinion, is not the education or awareness. Its the mindset of a common man. Have you ever asked yourself a question, why do they want a job only in Govt. Sector or a job where you dont have to do much and pays you well. Dignity of Labor is something that is unheard of or unthinkable.
There is another problem. The problem of being JAT. All the contributors in this thread have shared their dreams on how to uplift Jats in villages. What about the other 64% poor souls sharing exactly the same fate as Jats in villages? When people like YOU (software engineers, Mechanical engineers, English speaking, Hat-wearing, living abroad or other parts in India) have this stigma of caste (which stops you from being a human first and a Jat later) imprinted in your minds and your inability to think beyond that, what hope do you expect from the very people you are trying to raise living standards of.
By the Way, do you check the Caste Certificate before letting anyone enter your awareness, Jagriti programs to make sure any ACHHOOT should not be benefited from this exercise. If not, then please please start addressing everyone in villages and NOT JUST JATS.
I am afraid I can not support any campaign for the very reason that ensures some caste poors are more entitled to benefits than others. In my opinion, its the Reservation chaos in reverse.
And another thing,, I lived, studied and spent most of my life in a village.
Yash.
 
Bhai Yash,
When we teach classes all children come. In govt school all children from poor families only come.
When we organise essay writing, drawing and sports competitions, every one takes part and winners get prizes.
It never occured to me to check back their caste.
What part of our website www.janjagriti.com made you feel that we check caste certificates.
 
Define Requirements and Than Method

What we want to achieve

-> Create a level playing fields, And i think this means that our village and city should have access to same type of resource.

-> Quality Teaching, So that we can be well developed natin or community or whatever portion we think we are concentrating.

-> Good life standards.
and many goods and best.

Now do we have institute working toward this? Yes we have a large scale infrastrusture and controlling bodies in the form of Public, Private schools for education but still we have to open schools and teach the students in evening beccause of poor use of infrastructure, bad moral level and insufficient awareness. Are not we wasting our resources either in NGO like Jan Jagriti or in Governmnet institute? Now we have to find how can we achieve better utilisation of these resource by Administering these Govt. Schools, By better managment of spending , Educating teachers , encourage children and people to learn and then make them able to contribution in nation building.
Also we have to ask government to better management of many govt. institute by local communities bodies like Jan Jagriti, and many can be formed like this to improve transparency . I know they will not let us to do this but shouldnt we try this? You may think that this is Politics, Yes it is .
Government is for all these issues. We pay monies to do all the work and yes Vote to choose human resource. We should make a NGO who will work with government and we should do the controlling and guiding role in it and not we should make a parallel heap of resource it will generate wastage and believe me not as useful as it could be .

Will need to refine the Ideas i put. But i think this is the way we can get much better result in lesser time at very large scale.

Dev
 
Dear all,

We all know the basic problem in our community (as you all discusssed in this thread also) that is attitude, professionalism.

First of all we need to do frame work on "How We Can Change Attitude of Our Jat Brothers Towards Education & Employement".
We have to make a strategy and the system so that if we make a team that can work in right direction.

Ya we all are right this is the right time to start work on our community improvement programme. Jatland members are sitting in different corners of the world, working with top mnc's, best institutions, etc...from our world class experience we can make a bullet proof strategy and the educating/awereness system for our community.

We all hope this thread will not end up as usual discussion.

Looking forward,

Ravinder Singh

Work Work Work....
 
Hi All,

Please mention your personal email addresses and telephone numbers Who all are interested in our endeavour so that we can consolidate a list,after that we alll will talk about the future course of action.I am thinking of getting some corprate sponsership inorder to make the organization finacially strong and invoving some young and dynamic leaders with whom influence we can meet our objectives.I am very sad with kind of response we are getting , leave it irrespective of all this together we can and together we will make a diffrence.

Regards,

Niraj Sihag
email: nirajsihag@yahoo.com
mobile : +27765090765
 
Do We Really Need Government Support

Hi friends…

I see lot of us talking about getting government involved or sponsorship of some type or the other. I think it is neither required nor will it take us anywhere at this stage.

I think we should first plan a few things, produce good results and reach a stage where we can convincingly request people to contribute.

As far as financial strength of the company is concerned, we should not depend on external resources because then it will become just another creep in the society. How can we endlessly depend on donations, no one is going to spend their hard earned money on us. Let us create a strong revenue model for the project and only then our job is done.

By trying to involve government or corporates aren’t we trying to walk on a path that will need us nowhere, because we all know how things move in government/ corporates.

Secondly, if we involve politicians we will unintentionally end up driving half of the population, which does not support the politician, away from the project. Politicians, to whichever party they may belong to, can do no good to any social cause unless it helps them to gain publicity for themselves but that’s not our aim.

Please think on this & give your feed back.

Take care,
Avinash sheoran

About forming a group, that’s a good idea but who will take a responsibility.

my contact details as follows:
Mobile: 9370787980/9225506736
Mail: asheoran@rediffmail.com & avinashsheoran@hotmail.com
 
Avinash,

You are right ,What I already mentioned we first need to gather like minded people after that we can talk about all these issues.However I have entered your name in operation code name "Band Of Brothers".

Cya
Niraj Sihag
 
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