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ae jiji Poonam......Ram ki suun yo tera phottu ghanna kasutta. Bebe issne thodda sa mild karde na tei mei te darr kei marr jyanga kisse din..........Maa kasam issi lagge se jannu ibb beehaddan mei te aai se.................[Kidding bebe}
 
devdahiya said:
ae jiji Poonam......Ram ki suun yo tera phottu ghanna kasutta. Bebe issne thodda sa mild karde na tei mei te darr kei marr jyanga kisse din..........Maa kasam issi lagge se jannu ibb beehaddan mei te aai se.................[Kidding bebe}

Ab Uncle ye tareef hai ya ..???...:eek:
Aur waise, on second thought, jaatni ki photu tae honi bhi issee ae chahiye …haina….dekhte sab darr jya..LOL..:D
 
Bhai Rathi

PhD te mein bhi karan laag rahi sun, manne bhi spare kar deta....ek mollad ka bhala hota manne is scheme te spare karan mein:D ....na roj lath bajenge....arr ek baat aur se.....moladda ki itni chinta naa se manne....woh te kati enlightened se...arr apne funda mein kati kasute :) ...

chinta te manne aapne jisse ghane pade likha ki laage se jo phd kar ke saare funda ne question kare se arr kuchch bera naa.....every angle is a right angle :rolleyes: ..

btw. your son is very cute.

Priti
 
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At the expense of the disadvantaged...


I am glad for the PhDs to have made their presence known; but conspicuously audible is the deafening silence of the “panchavi fails!” I wish we could keep the misplaced, subtle humor out of such serious discussions…

Perhaps the "Delhi meet" people during their visit to one of the villages should arrange an interview with some of the "panchavi fails" because in all probability they may not have access to the fancy tool we call Internet... by doing so we will have heard them too?
 
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suchie said:

I am glad for the PhDs to have made their presence known; but conspicuously audible is the deafening silence of the “panchavi fails!” I wish we could keep the misplaced, subtle humor out of such serious discussions…

Perhaps the "Delhi meet" people during their visit to one of the villages should arrange an interview with some of the "panchavi fails" because in all probability they may not have access to the fancy tool we call Internet... by doing so we will have heard them too?



Got carried away really[majak kar diya thodda sa].....sorry jiji. Point well taken and yes mei te khudd panchvin fail suun. You are absolutely right jiji......those panchavin fails are much more EDUCATED IN LIFE LIVINGS than all the phds out here. Thanks for reminding.......point well taken.
 
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Sujataji,
I completely agree with you... and lots of people had raised good points... and serious issues of doing something rather than keep discussing also came up... but at end of thread we ask ourselves "What now?"... "What we can do individually?, what definite resolutions we can make?" etc. and then silence slowly crept over the thread... but humorous thread is better than dead thread:-)))... We will surely keep in mind your suggestion in delhi meet and visit...

-vinod


suchie said:

I am glad for the PhDs to have made their presence known; but conspicuously audible is the deafening silence of the “panchavi fails!” I wish we could keep the misplaced, subtle humor out of such serious discussions…

Perhaps the "Delhi meet" people during their visit to one of the villages should arrange an interview with some of the "panchavi fails" because in all probability they may not have access to the fancy tool we call Internet... by doing so we will have heard them too?
 
suchie said:

I wish we could keep the misplaced, subtle humor out of such serious discussions…

Perhaps the "Delhi meet" people during their visit to one of the villages should arrange an interview with some of the "panchavi fails" because in all probability they may not have access to the fancy tool we call Internet... by doing so we will have heard them too?

Good one Sujata Ji ! Hilarious indeed ! And I thought I was funny. :D

First I thought you were serious, and then I realised you just have a brilliant
sense of humor.

"..so we will have heard them too ?..." He he he he :D

As if there is something still left for us to hear ! Reminded me of those
high society ladies who set up organisations in the name of social welfare,
have lavish kitty parties and then take an "exotic" trip to some village,
some media wala boyfriends in tow, and then show off their
endeavors while sniffing expensive wine. "Gaon walas" be damned.

Some more interviews, some more draft resolutions, some more soul searching...and all the while lets have a party in the village (with artists and dances and khana peena...I am already shaking...). Uske baad bhaad mein jaayen "paanchi fail". We'll just rock and roll in the U S of A.

We'll just sit in our cushy chairs and wag our fingers at others
for their deprived sense of humor, and complete lack of Jatland protocol.
Ha ha :D As for the "paanchi fails"... Oh they were just incoherent
and gawaanr. Interview ke time they couldn't even speak up and
express themselves. Unka kucch nahin ho sakta.

You really cracked me up Sujata Ji.
 


"....So we will have heard them too ?..." He he he he :D As if there is something still left for us to hear ! Reminded me of those high society ladies who set up organisations in the name of social welfare, have lavish kitty parties and then take an "exotic" trip to some village."

Bhai, mere beera, sudhi sadhi baat kare te samajh mei aave, munne abstract concept bohot kam samajh mei aave sai. Nu vae bawla kyun ho rhya se bhai re? I am damn serious, and simply reiterating the Delhi Jat meet itinerary which does include a visit to the village, preferably with folk songs?

As for the kitty parties, and the cushy chairs, no, I am no NGO director, or a hot-shot woman activist, and I wag no fingers at no one, I am just a compassionate spectator of the plight of Jat women, having gone through some of the experiences first hand it’s easy to want to sympathize with them. And although I can’t single handedly make big strides for the upliftment of the entire Jat womanhood, nonetheless I have done a few things at individual level. I do attend all NAJC meetings and contribute whatever I can from my humble earnings. Yes, very easily, I could have been one of the Panchavi fails except for my parents who supported the idea of education.

Finally, I love humor, seriously, just not in this thread.
 
Dahiyaji,

you are right in saying that panchvi fails are much more educated in life livings. Unlike the PGs and Phds, they don't get carried away so easily.

Bhai Rathi, ye to wahi baat hui ke, finding fault with the finger which is showing you the moon. Issi liye aapko 'Delhi jat meet' aur 'an org of high society ladies' mai koi fark nazar nahi aa raha.

Vinod ji, your questios to Sujataji ( what now? what we can do individually) reminds me an anecdote from a discourse of a saint which goes:

When Ram had to cross the ocean, he sat down and prayed, "please show us the way". It was Lakshman who got a little impatient and said, "Deva deva aalsi pukara", it is lazy ones who call out to God. If you have the power, if you have the strength, now pick up your bow and arrow. Show your 'purusarth'.

Poonamji,Priyaji and Vinodji, all of you are among the most gifted and bright young people of our community and we expect from you all not to get carried away with the tide. Purusarth (self effort) is in to swim against the tide.

Wish all the participant of the Delhi meet a fun time and hope they make some fruitfull Resolutions.


Sateypal
 
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Bhai Rathi, ye to wahi baat hui ke, finding fault with the finger which is showing you the moon. Issi liye aapko 'Delhi jat meet' aur 'an org of high society ladies' mai koi fark nazar nahi aa raha.
Sateypal

Deswal:

You seem to have twisted my post as some sort of criticism of the
Delhi Jat Meet. Well it was not meant to be that way.

Rahi baat as to difference between the Delhi Meet and High Society
Ladies, well I think there are a number of differences: Whereas one
has a lot of cosmetics, jewelry, perfume and big waistines involved
the other probably doesn't.

Iske alawa aur bhi kucch differences hain ? Well I am not so sure.
Apart from the superficial cosmetic differences I am not sure if there are
any others. Baaki toh end result se hi faisla hota hai. The good thing
about the Delhi Meet is Navin Gulia is hosting it, and we all have got to
respect Navin for his sheer ability to make things happen. So I am
certainly excited about his energy.

But regardless of that I was not intending to pass judgements on that
as you seem to have concluded.

However, I will pass judgement on your post and a few others like you
who so often have so little to say but just land in time to admonish
others and take on a holier than thou attitude. Yeh Bhasahn whasan
band karo bhai/chacha. If you like to be proactive then the better thing
is to ignore the fluff and keep contributing. Show some leadership if you
please. Lekin keep the bhasans in your pocket. Can you please do that ?
Or is that too difficult ?

All this time you had nothing to say and then all you could come
out with is some bhasans to those who are pretty talented and who
you can be pretty sure play a role in whatever way they so choose.

So lets hear your views. All the folks you have named here have had
very interesting things to say, and all you could come up with was your
above post ? Come on bro, you can do better than that, can't ya ?
Let's hear it.
 
suchie said:

Finally, I love humor, seriously, just not in this thread.

Sorry Sujata, but I have a different take on this. I think humor
should form part of every aspect of our lives. I find it impossible
to act like a stiff. That's the way I feel and I apply that to every aspect of
my life.

Just like doctors joke themselves about their patients yet mean no harm
or disrespect, I think we humans can effectively use humor for serious
matters as well and yet say meaningful things and participate productively.

It works in my experience. But then every one has their own take on
it as you obviously seem to do. But then that is something you need
to figure out how to deal with. It is just so hard to apply a single
standard to everyone. I am sure you appreciate that factor. There
is abundant precedent here on Jatland.
 
Let Us Respect Each Others Feelings

this kinda one upmanship won't lead us anywhere. We can very clearly see the exhibition of tremendous prowess by our respectworthy members and frankly, i am proud of the fact that our people are real class [atleast quite a few of them if not all] but it will be prudent to mention that alongwith that if we can also muster the courage to be a little more considerate and humble, then respect for each other will grow in plenty. Let some words and things be taken into stride while being in positive, forward motion. All are well meaning people but still we try to accumulate many last laughs at the cost of healthy relationships. I am falling short of words in conveying my deep anguish over these avoidable personal digs. hope we can be a little more sensitive and responsible.Let us not slash the wrist of love. thanks all.
 
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Dear Raj Rathee,

I am sorry for hurting your feelings. You are right in saying that i hardly contribute anything. Writing is an art and i lack in that. Some other times it may be lack of knowledge on a particular topic.

If i wanted to be critical of you in particur than i would like to invite your kind attention on your first two posts under this thread. You started very well in the first post but you did not wait others to comment and you were completely out of track in your next post. and than your following posts.

I sincerely feel sorry for bringing you to this point. No one will disagree that you a gifted person with effective writing skils and i wish and hope more meaningfull contribution from you.

Dahiyaji, thoda bahut critical nahi hohunga to aap critics ka award kaise doge.
ya restedaar ki kategory mai hone par disqualify kardoge?
 
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Dev Chacha and Deswal (Bro, Chacha ?):

Pardon me if I am sometimes vigorous in my expressions. And do forgive
me if I am not able to be stiff and serious all the time. Sorry I just can't.
Whatever the topic my form of expression just comes as it does. I just
don't know how to do it any other way. So I am afriad you'll have to bear with it. Don't mean to rub anyone the wrong way. [Well okay I lied. Sometimes I do...oops...].

I appreciate that all of us think and react differently but like I have said
often enough there isn't much we can do about it, can we ? As long as
someone is not obscene or threatening we need to bear with everyone.

But I think this tendency of wasting so much energy on giving bhasans
at the drop of a hat is not fruitful in the least bit. It doesn't work and
is counter productive. Rather than waste effort on that one should set
example by personally taking the lead in constructive discussion and ignore
the fluff that is found bothersome. Some will follow and some won't. Some
enjoy the fluff and quite apparaently some don't.
But thats the nature of crouds.

This thread has thrown up a mixed assortment of ideas and interesting posts.
If we were all stiff and serious I assure you it wouldn't have lasted very long.
So lets learn to enjoy the mix of people and their views and their
form of expression and not bitch about every little deviance.

Its more fun to share ideas in a fun jovial environment with some tolerance
for those who might not match the standards or norms that some of us may be used to.

But please, please...no bhasans if possible....
 
Raj you are right. Sateypalji is also right. Sujataji is even more right. Everybody is right. In fact, everybody is always right. Only I am "left":) (left-right PJ?). Ok, I am "left behind" to add post.

Golden Rule:
I would rather have my post to be "left" rather than right(read as "write") something which is not right becuz what is not "right" need not always be left (it can be up-down) but what is "not-right"(=wrong) must always be "left behind".

So let it be "left"-behind whatever you think is not "right". Goodness will pervail. It always had.

Hum panchi ek daal ke.

-Vinod
 
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vinodks said:
Raj you are right. Sateypalji is also right. Sujataji is even more right. Everybody is right. In fact, everybody is always right. Only I am "left":) (left-right PJ?). Ok, I am "left behind" to add post.

-Vinod

:D Funny ! (oops sorry Sujata...I laughed...I am sorry...just kidding Ji)

Toh Vinod...back to the topic at hand. Aage kya kia jaaye ?
Lagta hai mera ekdam fundoo suggestion of uplifted + unuplifted = uplifted *2 isn't going to fly...

Ab kya ?
 
Ya sahi kahi

vinodks said:
Raj you are right. Sateypalji is also right. Sujataji is even more right. Everybody is right. In fact, everybody is always right. Only I am "left":) (left-right PJ?). Ok, I am "left behind" to add post.

Golden Rule:
I would rather have my post to be "left" rather than right(read as "write") something which is not right becuz what is not "right" need not always be left (it can be up-down) but what is "not-right"(=wrong) must always be "left behind".

So let it be "left"-behind whatever you think is not "right". Goodness will pervail. It always had.

Hum panchi ek daal ke.

-Vinod




Theek baat kahi bhai Vinod ji. Arr pyare bhai Raj......kuun bhassan de rhya sei hadde.........ek bei sabki posts padhh ke dekhiye beera. na aachhi lagti honn mhari baat te bhai ek takhti pe likhein jao arr mitayen jao......pott di ar pher likh diya arr master ke shyammi kar di....master keh dega ak konya sahi likhya te multani le ke dedd de si ne pher kalam chala dyo........ha...ha...ha. Konya ye bhassan konya bhai....pyar ke ...prem ke shabd sein.....ghanee singgan matti matt thhao. Cheers!



Yes we must treat the women very well and respect them from the bottom of our hearts.We are not compitent to play around with their sentiments. I say it again that they are mothers,wives,sisters,bhabis chachis tais buas dadis and on top of that WORTHY OF RESPECT...............ISSNE BHASSAN MATT KAHIYE BHAI RAJ....?
 
Tool for change: Discussions- serve various purposes

I wrote a long post and then it just disappeared...this has happened twice and i cant be bothered to recall and write again (maybe good for the readers....got spared from another long post!!).


Anyway, the important point of my post was to answer the what next question..

All the arguments here are relevant but can be argued otherwise too. Even marx has observed that relationships are based on economics (power play). Then there are other psycological, social and historical/traditional factors which contribute to the problem....

So what next?

I think this discussion itself (with all its twisted humour and heated arguments) is a tool for change. We can just hope that we and more and more people read this and we question our own behaviour (i think this was the context in which ranjana started the thread and disappeared) in the roles of sisters, mothers, wives, girlfriends (oops!!), brothers, fathers, husbands, boyfriends and what have you....and see if we are not over exerting our economic, emotional or social power to the extent of crushing other people's individuality and spirits.....and resulting in emotional outbursts like the one which started this thread...


Ranjana ji, c'mon, give us some feedback ...aapke post ke liye itne logon ne apna dimaage aur time lagaya....aapke kuchch kaam aaya??:confused:
 
Here is a summary of conclusion someone else draws.
(From: http://www.thp.org/reports/indiawom.htm)

Here, education and economic empowerment hold the underlying
trigger for change. And that is something that I believe to be the key as
well.


Conclusion

As UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has stated, "Gender equality is more than a goal in itself. It is a precondition for meeting the challenge of reducing poverty, promoting sustainable development and building good governance."

This recognition is currently missing in India. Transforming the prevailing social discrimination against women must become the top priority, and must happen concurrently with increased direct action to rapidly improve the social and economic status of women. In this way, a synergy of progress can be achieved.

As women receive greater education and training, they will earn more money.

As women earn more money - as has been repeatedly shown - they spend it in the further education and health of their children, as opposed to men, who often spend it on drink, tobacco or other women.


As women rise in economic status, they will gain greater social standing in the household and the village, and will have greater voice.

As women gain influence and consciousness, they will make stronger claims to their entitlements - gaining further training, better access to credit and higher incomes - and command attention of police and courts when attacked.

As women’s economic power grows, it will be easier to overcome the tradition of "son preference" and thus put an end to the evil of dowry.

As son preference declines and acceptance of violence declines, families will be more likely to educate their daughters, and age of marriage will rise.
For every year beyond 4th grade that girls go to school, family size shrinks 20%, child deaths drop 10% and wages rise 20%.

As women are better nourished and marry later, they will be healthier, more productive, and will give birth to healthier babies.
Only through action to remedy discrimination against women can the vision of India's independence — an India where all people have the chance to live health and productive lives — be realized.
 
Personal Ties...

Raj Beera:

Pelhyan te tu ek od ne jaa ke khoob haans le er pher sun mera bhashan… How about that? If you can’t do without humor, I can’t do without standing up for my fellow Jatnis! They are as Dev said, our mothers, bhabhis, sisters, and nieces. Let me share a personal experience. My sister got married at age 16 (because of community’s pressure) and her life changed forever. This woman was no distant village girl without a name she was my own older sister. And although she lived a short, happy, and content life as a Commandant’s wife, she always felt inadequate about her education. The in-laws put a full-stop to her education after high school. Who knows what her potential could’ve been?

Well placed fun is fine, but somehow quantifying the denigration of our Jat women with terms like “Paanchvi fail” especially with the Latina reference didn’t jive with me. Just for the argument’s sake we could’ve made it a bit palatable (Isse sare Mollhad bi BA paas konya…) Already a very few Jatnis come out and contribute, er bhai nuvae hoti rahi te pher mere jisi te kati chup baith jyanghi? I am sure you would not want that either. Fluff aside, here is my ten cents in response to “What now?”

Rome wasn’t built overnight; therefore the task of upliftment (for lack of a suitable word) is a daunting one, quite frankly there is no foreseeable quick-fix on the horizon; it’s a long and tedious process that requires patience, monetary resources, as well as leverage for advocacy. But there is silver lining; one of the most viable grass-root efforts that has all of my attention is the NAJC strategy. May be the movers and shakers of the “Upliftment Abhiyaan” should arrange these popular “Jat Meets” in geopolitically feasible rural villages in Delhi/UP/Haryana, and discuss the possibility of adopting newer strategies? At these meetings the locals should be involved from needs assessment (i.e., number of schools, literacy rates for girls, how far do the girls travel to attend high school etc) to demanding their cooperation in implementing the plan. We can also seek help from the NAJC chapter to come up with prototype schools in select villages. That’s not such a far-fetched idea, and the buck stops here!
 
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