A question to moderators and fellow members......

[shibani]

Dear members,
May I please conclude this thread by highlighting the outcome of the whole thread:
After following this thread and reading through each past I believe all members that have responded to this thread agree with the following fact:
Language and choice of words:
Choice of words should be sensible no matter which language we choose to write in on JL i.e English, Hindi, Haryanvi and a bit of French )LOL....this is on a light note pls don’t take offence).
Members of JL have the freedom to discuss almost anything under the sun in General Talk and Time pass section of JL. If the thread is worth discussing it will definitely receive response else it will die its own death as suggested in the beginning of the thread

In the end I just want to say:
Koi sanskriti inti kamzoor nahin hain ki kisi ik thread or topic se uski neev hil jayegi. Sanskriti badalti hain aur badalti rahegi kyunki sanskriti logon ke duwara banayi gayi hain. Agar sanskriti follow karne wale log badalenge to sanskriti apne aap hi badal jayegi. Sabse padi cheez hain ik accha insan hona aur insaniyat ka palan karna.

Constructive criticism in regards to my post is welcome on this thread. If there is any disagreement please PM me rather than putting everything here to just drag this thread for personal issues.
Hope this is not going to give rise to any more controversy..........
XOXO
Shibani

 

[ritu]

Shibani i agree with you for most of the conclusion but differ on the sanskriti paragraph..sanskaar vo hai jo aadate ya rahnne aur bartaav ka dhang humaare maatapita se milta hai aur sanskaar vo bhi hai jo hum aapne baccho ko sikhaate hai.aap apne bacche kii pahli jhooth ya galti ko ignore karr dege to usko aage ke liye shah mill jaati hai.uske sanskaar ek do galti se hillege to nahi par aage ke liye aur galtio ki neev jarrur khud jaayegi.aur jo aadmi sanskaari hai vo aacha insaan to apne aap hi hoga.

Dear members,
May I please conclude this thread by highlighting the outcome of the whole thread:
After following this thread and reading through each past I believe all members that have responded to this thread agree with the following fact:
Language and choice of words:
Choice of words should be sensible no matter which language we choose to write in on JL i.e English, Hindi, Haryanvi and a bit of French )LOL....this is on a light note pls don’t take offence).
Members of JL have the freedom to discuss almost anything under the sun in General Talk and Time pass section of JL. If the thread is worth discussing it will definitely receive response else it will die its own death as suggested in the beginning of the thread

In the end I just want to say:
Koi sanskriti inti kamzoor nahin hain ki kisi ik thread or topic se uski neev hil jayegi. Sanskriti badalti hain aur badalti rahegi kyunki sanskriti logon ke duwara banayi gayi hain. Agar sanskriti follow karne wale log badalenge to sanskriti apne aap hi badal jayegi. Sabse padi cheez hain ik accha insan hona aur insaniyat ka palan karna.

Constructive criticism in regards to my post is welcome on this thread. If there is any disagreement please PM me rather than putting everything here to just drag this thread for personal issues.
Hope this is not going to give rise to any more controversy..........
XOXO
Shibani

 

[singhvp]

Shibani i agree with you for most of the conclusion but differ on the sanskriti paragraph..sanskaar vo hai jo aadate ya rahnne aur bartaav ka dhang humaare maatapita se milta hai aur sanskaar vo bhi hai jo hum aapne baccho ko sikhaate hai.aap apne bacche kii pahli jhooth ya galti ko ignore karr dege to usko aage ke liye shah mill jaati hai.uske sanskaar ek do galti se hillege to nahi par aage ke liye aur galtio ki neev jarrur khud jaayegi.aur jo aadmi sanskaari hai vo aacha insaan to apne aap hi hoga.

Ritu ji, it sounds good that we should inculcate good "sanskar" into our children. But nowadays children can teach us better "sanskars". Moreover, it is not necessary that progeny of a sanskari father would also be 'sanskari'. I know about many cases where the children of apparently 'sanskari' parents were found guilty of heinous crimes like rape. I have narrated earlier, a story about my own village where two 'sanskari' boys were found guilty of raping two married ladies from the so-called scheduled caste. I know one more guy (my school mate), who jumped into a house belonging to a military man (again from lower caste) a few years back with an ulterior motive as the Fauji was away. The Fauji called a panchayat and came to my father for helping him in getting justice. Ultimately, the matter was hushed up as the boy was from a prominent khap family but his father was a respectable and apparently sanskari man. I have some other stories also about some other sanskari parents.

 

[virj]

ultimately, the matter was hushed up as the boy was from a prominent khap family but his father was a respectable and apparently sanskari man. I have some other stories also about some other sanskari parents.

हाहा vp जी, जाट, समाज, खाप, सुआचरण ने किते तो बक्स दिया करो ! फेर आपके पिताजी ने नयाय नहीं करा के i उस महान आत्मा ती जेल में नहीं घाला . आपने ओड़े आवाज उठानी चाहिए थी उस खाप के खिलाफ हर NGO त मिल के केस फाइल करना चाहिए था. इब आड़े इस बात का के फायदा.

 

[ritu]

sir i totally respect your views but strongly believe mine at the same time.

Ritu ji, it sounds good that we should inculcate good "sanskar" into our children. But nowadays children can teach us better "sanskars". Moreover, it is not necessary that progeny of a sanskari father would also be 'sanskari'. I know about many cases where the children of apparently 'sanskari' parents were found guilty of heinous crimes like rape. I have narrated earlier, a story about my own village where two 'sanskari' boys were found guilty of raping two married ladies from the so-called scheduled caste. I know one more guy (my school mate), who jumped into a house belonging to a military man (again from lower caste) a few years back with an ulterior motive as the Fauji was away. The Fauji called a panchayat and came to my father for helping him in getting justice. Ultimately, the matter was hushed up as the boy was from a prominent khap family but his father was a respectable and apparently sanskari man. I have some other stories also about some other sanskari parents.

 

[singhvp]

हाहा vp जी, जाट, समाज, खाप, सुआचरण ने किते तो बक्स दिया करो ! फेर आपके पिताजी ने नयाय नहीं करा के i उस महान आत्मा ती जेल में नहीं घाला . आपने ओड़े आवाज उठानी चाहिए थी उस खाप के खिलाफ हर NGO त मिल के केस फाइल करना चाहिए था. इब आड़े इस बात का के फायदा.

संस्कार की बात चले और खाप का जिक्र ना हो, यह मुमकिन नहीं . इन दोनों का तो चोली दामन का साथ है.

Yes we did what should have been done. But one has to bow to the majority verdict.. kyonki ladke ke baap ne pagri dhar dee panchayat me.

 

[virj]

ना ना vp जी, में तो ना हाँ बरूं आपकी इस बात प. जम्हूरियत, विचारों, अभिव्यक्ति, पहनावे, वेशभूषा और खाप के खिलाफ आवाज बुलंद करने वालों को इन्साफ के लिए कचेरी तक जाना चाहिए था कम से कम जगमती को तो अख़बार में लिखना ही चाहिए था. बहुमत के आगे एक इन्साफ परस्त और होसला-इ-बुअल्न्द इंसान को कम से कम घुटने नहीं टेकने चाहिए क्योंकि बहुमत हमेशा सही नहीं होता.

 

[singhvp]

ना ना vp जी, में तो ना हाँ बरूं आपकी इस बात प. जम्हूरियत, विचारों, अभिव्यक्ति, पहनावे, वेशभूषा और खाप के खिलाफ आवाज बुलंद करने वालों को इन्साफ के लिए कचेरी तक जाना चाहिए था कम से कम जगमती को तो अख़बार में लिखना ही चाहिए था. बहुमत के आगे एक इन्साफ परस्त और होसला-इ-बुअल्न्द इंसान को कम से कम घुटने नहीं टेकने चाहिए क्योंकि बहुमत हमेशा सही नहीं होता.

मै आपके असहमत होने के अधिकार का सम्मान करता हूँ परन्तु आपका सुझाव व्यावहारिकता से मेल नहीं खाता. जगमती ने ऐसा क्यों नहीं किया ये तो उसी से पूछिए, आपको शायद माकूल सा जवाब मिल जाये उसके पति की तरफ से. नारी सम्मान की बात करने वाले नारी की लज्जा को बार बार बाज़ार में नहीं उछाला करते. पहली बात तो ये ऑफ-topic है दूसरा हर किसी की राजनैतिक सोच एक जैसे नहीं होती. बाकी आप खुद ही उस दंपत्ति से मिलकर उनके गुनाहों का स्पष्टीकरण मांगे तो अधिक अच्छा होगा. वैसे हैं वे भी असली जाट. कहीं ओछी जाती का समझ कर मत चले जाना.

 

[virj]

येही तो में आपको बताने की कोशिस कर रहा था के आप हर चीज़ में जाट, रीती रिवाज, संस्कार और खाप को ले आते हे. आपको ये आवाज वहां उठानी चाहिए थी अगर ऐसा साची में हुआ था तो, यहाँ पर अब इस बात का क्या फायदा और वैसे भी मुझे ये सिर्फ एक कहानी लगती हे. जैसा की आपने लिखा जुलम का शिकार परिवार बजाये के पुलिस के जाने के पंचायत के पास खुद गया था. वर्ना कोई भी पक्ष पुलिस की मदद ले सकता हे. कौनकी खाप या किसी भी पचायत में ऐसे फासले तब होते हे जब दोनों पक्ष कचेरी नहीं जाना चाहते और मामला मिल बाँट के सुलझाना चाहते हे. आपकी पोस्ट से ऐसा परतीत होता हे के आप कहना चाह रहे हो के खाप बलात्कारियों की हिफाज़त करती हे. वैसे आम तोर पर बलात्कार जैसे मामले के लिए खाप पचायत नहीं बुलाई जाती जहाँ तक मेने देखा हे

 

[bishanleo2001]

Originally Posted by ABC
काम काढ़न आला प्यार,

"और गंडासे कित चल्या" or "यो बड़ा अच्छा राछ से"

Bhai main aur ke samjhana chahh raha thaa eetne deena te....baaki bhai sab khuud samejhdaar hai......

Rahi baat educated peoples ki to aajkal vo bhi is ghatiya kaam me nahi sharmate kyuki har kisi ka kisi na kisi way me politicians ya police officers se links hote hain aur is vajah se vo kam darte hain.

aur kuch logo ko apni mentality change karni chaiye.....unhe kuch bhi aise karne se p[ehle ye sochna chahiye ki is ladki ki jagah unki behan ho to bhi vo aise he karenge??????

 

[singhvp]

येही तो में आपको बताने की कोशिस कर रहा था के आप हर चीज़ में जाट, रीती रिवाज, संस्कार और खाप को ले आते हे. आपको ये आवाज वहां उठानी चाहिए थी अगर ऐसा साची में हुआ था तो, यहाँ पर अब इस बात का क्या फायदा और वैसे भी मुझे ये सिर्फ एक कहानी लगती हे. जैसा की आपने लिखा जुलम का शिकार परिवार बजाये के पुलिस के जाने के पंचायत के पास खुद गया था. वर्ना कोई भी पक्ष पुलिस की मदद ले सकता हे. कौनकी खाप या किसी भी पचायत में ऐसे फासले तब होते हे जब दोनों पक्ष कचेरी नहीं जाना चाहते और मामला मिल बाँट के सुलझाना चाहते हे. आपकी पोस्ट से ऐसा परतीत होता हे के आप कहना चाह रहे हो के खाप बलात्कारियों की हिफाज़त करती हे. वैसे आम तोर पर बलात्कार जैसे मामले के लिए खाप पचायत नहीं बुलाई जाती जहाँ तक मेने देखा हे

हाँ पोस्ट जरू ऑफ टोपिक हे और अगर मोड्स चाहे तो डिलीट कर सकते हे पर आप अपनी पोस्ट में जान भुज कर ऐसे शब्द इस्तेमाल करते हे जिनसे कोई इंसान उतेजित होकर जवाब दे और यही आप चाहते हें. आमतोर पर जवाब कोई और देते हे इस बार मेने दे दिया. बाकि आगे आप खुद समझदार हें

I think you are the only Yudhisthar here, others are a bunch of lairs and idiots according to you. More often than not you derail the threads but who will moderate a MOD. You are a big gun now and has a natural right to levy any allegation against others. Whatever you have written is absolute trash.

 

[singhvp]

येही तो में आपको बताने की कोशिस कर रहा था के आप हर चीज़ में जाट, रीती रिवाज, संस्कार और खाप को ले आते हे. आपको ये आवाज वहां उठानी चाहिए थी अगर ऐसा साची में हुआ था तो, यहाँ पर अब इस बात का क्या फायदा और वैसे भी मुझे ये सिर्फ एक कहानी लगती हे.

What a tragedy, people who do not have a minimum decency have landed up to become moderators.

 

[singhvp]

और वैसे भी मुझे ये सिर्फ एक कहानी लगती हे. जैसा की आपने लिखा जुलम का शिकार परिवार बजाये के पुलिस के जाने के पंचायत के पास खुद गया था. वर्ना कोई भी पक्ष पुलिस की मदद ले सकता हे.

What prompts you to question the integrity of others. If I say you are always a liar, how would you react? If you are challenging me I will have it proved through witnesses of these two incidents. What if it is proved true. If it is proved true, and if you have a figment of shame, you will give up the site for ever. If I am proven wrong I will never show up here. Do you accept the challenge?

 

[prashantacmet]

येही तो में आपको बताने की कोशिस कर रहा था के आप हर चीज़ में जाट, रीती रिवाज, संस्कार और खाप को ले आते हे. आपको ये आवाज वहां उठानी चाहिए थी अगर ऐसा साची में हुआ था तो, यहाँ पर अब इस बात का क्या फायदा और वैसे भी मुझे ये सिर्फ एक कहानी लगती हे. जैसा की आपने लिखा जुलम का शिकार परिवार बजाये के पुलिस के जाने के पंचायत के पास खुद गया था. वर्ना कोई भी पक्ष पुलिस की मदद ले सकता हे. कौनकी खाप या किसी भी पचायत में ऐसे फासले तब होते हे जब दोनों पक्ष कचेरी नहीं जाना चाहते और मामला मिल बाँट के सुलझाना चाहते हे. आपकी पोस्ट से ऐसा परतीत होता हे के आप कहना चाह रहे हो के खाप बलात्कारियों की हिफाज़त करती हे. वैसे आम तोर पर बलात्कार जैसे मामले के लिए खाप पचायत नहीं बुलाई जाती जहाँ तक मेने देखा हे

हाँ पोस्ट जरू ऑफ टोपिक हे और अगर मोड्स चाहे तो डिलीट कर सकते हे पर आप अपनी पोस्ट में जान भुज कर ऐसे शब्द इस्तेमाल करते हे जिनसे कोई इंसान उतेजित होकर जवाब दे और यही आप चाहते हें. आमतोर पर जवाब कोई और देते हे इस बार मेने दे दिया. बाकि आगे आप खुद समझदार हें

Bhai vipin, wo "gaam" ki panchayat hogi, khap ki na ho...lagta hai vp singh ji galti se "khap" likh gaye...

 

[singhvp]

Bhai vipin, wo shaayd gaam ki panchayat ho, khap ki na ho...lagat hai vp singh ji galti se "khap" likh gaye...

You are right Prashant but it included some prominent members from more than on gotra/khap. In common parlance we usually inter-mix these two words. Moreover this is not to blame any particular Khap as I am also a Khap Member in my own right. I have all respect for our elders and believe me the elders of both the families were very respectable persons without any blemish.

 

[virj]

I think you are the only Yudhisthar here, others are a bunch of lairs and idiots according to you. More often than not you derail the threads but who will moderate a MOD. You are a big gun now and has a natural right to levy any allegation against others. Whatever you have written is absolute trash.

A person like you don't deserve to be even a member on any social forum not to speak of a moderator.

What a tragedy, people who do not have a minimum decency have landed up to become moderators.

What prompts you to question the integrity of others. If I say you are always a liar, how would you react? If you are challenging me I will have it proved through witness of these two incidents. What if it is proved true. If it is proved true, and if you have a figment of shame, you will give up the site for ever. If I am proven wrong I will never show up here. Do you accept the challenge?

You very well know that I left moderation some time back, I also felt a person like me shouldn't be a mod. Its not about being lier and I didnt even say that you are idiot. Nothing to prove but I know you often make stories to defame khap and jats or every thing realted to jats and provoke others to get spontaneous reaction . This is the truth. Now abuse me if u want, I don't care. . However my intention was to point this out to you hoping that you leave this trolling otherwise there are enough trolls for whom I dont care

 

[singhvp]

You very well know that I left domderation some time back, I also felt a person like me shouldn't be a mod. Its not about being lier and I didnt even say that you are idiot. Nothing to prove but I know you often make stories to defame khap and jats or every thing realted to jats and provoke others to get spontaneous reaction . This is the truth. Now abuse me if u want, I don't care. . However my intention was to point this out to you hoping that you leave this trolling otherwise there are enough trolls for whom I dont care

Why would I abuse myself by abusing a Jat?. Do you suspect I am not a Jat ? And why would I bring the khaps in a bad light. Do you think I have no khap of my own. I am also part and parcel of a particular khap which is by no means less prestigious. But I have every right to discuss the shortfalls of my own caste and the khap. Did I ever make any personal remarks to any particular khap? We are human beings and are very much prone to shortcomings. If the near and dear ones will not point out then who else would do this duty. So please stop projecting me as a villain in the eyes of the community. I love my community more than anyone else.

 

[prashantacmet]

मै आपके असहमत होने के अधिकार का सम्मान करता हूँ परन्तु आपका सुझाव व्यावहारिकता से मेल नहीं खाता. जगमती ने ऐसा क्यों नहीं किया ये तो उसी से पूछिए, आपको शायद माकूल सा जवाब मिल जाये उसके पति की तरफ से. नारी सम्मान की बात करने वाले नारी की लज्जा को बार बार बाज़ार में नहीं उछाला करते. पहली बात तो ये ऑफ-topic है दूसरा हर किसी की राजनैतिक सोच एक जैसे नहीं होती. बाकी आप खुद ही उस दंपत्ति से मिलकर उनके गुनाहों का स्पष्टीकरण मांगे तो अधिक अच्छा होगा. वैसे हैं वे भी असली जाट. कहीं ओछी जाती का समझ कर मत चले जाना.

Khaps were prominent before 1857 revolution but they became weaker after after that and became almost crippled after independence. Recenetly, a sarv khap panchayat was summoned in Sauram M.Nagar (Saurum is considered capital of sarv khap from ancient time, this is the place where concept of khap was originated and flourished). After the panchayat, most of the people were found complaining that khap leaders itself are not following up the rules and regulation what they set for the folks and these panchayats are just another way to achieve some political milestone. In another incident, a khap panchayat (chaugama khap panchayat of 40 villages) was called in my village to resolve a land conflict (I attended that meeting) but none of the both rival parties accepted khap decision and one of them left panchayat in middle.

 

[sunitahooda]

Fellow Members, please keep your cool and do not go personal and blame one another.What example you are setting here while discussing usage of indecent words by other members. Don't try to provoke eachother. Usage of words is completely personal and depends on a person's vocabulary and comfortable style of expression, people shouldn't get excited by that. Please discuss, do not agrue Off-topic posts will be allowed ONLY if they are in good humor or positive response, Off-topic agruments will be edited/deleted before the thread looses its essence. Only abusive words/slangs don't do any harm simple words used in an improper context may hurt someone to a great extent.

If someone has any objection on any particular post, same can be reported. If anybody is having any problem with other member sort that out in live chat, don't start this here on a thread

 

[virj]

Anybody can try to provoke you, its you who has to decide to be or not to be, you can't blame others for your actions!

I dont know what are you refering to. Anyway arguments are normal in a discussion Me and VP ji are mature enough to sort out personal things over the phone. However the matter was related to this post and previous many such posts and hence pointed out here as it was related to forum. He doesnt provoke me personally this provocation was in general and he doesnt provoke me to abuse but I mean post are provocative enough to get a desired responce and we dont have any such issue as such. Otherwise he is a great human.