An Inconvenient Truth

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priti

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[posted this in my other thread but thought its better to start a new one on this important topic]

I wanted to to talk about this documentary in my 'creative movies' thread but realised its more of a general topic to talk about.

Climate change is a reality, this winter I traveled to three places which are supposed to be cold- moscow, delhi and back to toronto...

Toronto had a mild winter this year (and last year too), I was told lake ontario freezes up at times and typically in december january the temperatures are below zero, the city municipality has a hard time keeping the open ice rinks functional, this winter the zero temperatures have started only now (end of jan.) and are not going to last any longer....on the western coast...vancouver (which is supposed to have mild winters) has been freezing and has had snow storms this winter...

Moscow is supposed to be colder than Toronto...i went there and came back my shoes all dirty with the melting snow in the height of winter...

Delhi has already started becoming warm...my father tells me that when they were young, there used to be frost everywhere in the mornings at this time of the year...

I am not a scientist, so I dont know how this all happens, this is just an account of my perceptions...and then I saw this movie made by Al Gore (who lost to Bush in the race to presidential elections with a narrow and very much disputable margin).

http://www.climatecrisis.net/

If its all true (i'm again being a scpetic), then we do have a duty to do what we can in our capacity....we have people on this website from all over the world, some are already aware of these issues through the general discourses around them, but most hear and dismiss....

Sometimes I think why should I care, I have pretty good life and nothing's going to happen in my lifetime....i am not going to get affected by climate change....the turning point for me was realising that if ever my children come into being, their whole existence will be at stake...maybe this is our responsibility for the future generations...or maybe I still dont care because I dont have anybody following me in life...but what about people who have children, would love to hear from them on what they think...is it our responsibility to provide a safe climate as inheritance or do you think why should we care, future generations will face 'their' destiny....
 
Hi Priti,

I'm not a scientist but I know Planet (Creation) has constantly been changing...It was never the same and will never be same in the future.

Everything eventually will be destroyed (ie the final dance of shiva).

All we have done is pushed mother nature to move into a faster gear.

Govt can force people to change lifestyles i.e. high duty on fuel etc etc with which I dont agree.

I'm afraid we have to learn to adapt to these changes and invent better technologies fast !!!

Deepak

PS: Pls go ahead and buy that 4WD 4.0 Liter Guzzler you always wanted...dont feel guilty.:D
 
Dont feel like consuming my energies here on this thread but all's a result of Global warming......... climate is dramatically changing... no doubts n no debate can help that :( :rolleyes:
 
my dear friend...your statement appears very pessimist....think you didn't go through the thread properly in saving the energies for 'more' important topics...my question was whether you feel responsible for your future generations or you think they should face and deal with the mess we've left them....

Dont feel like consuming my energies here on this thread but all's a result of Global warming......... climate is dramatically changing... no doubts n no debate can help that :( :rolleyes:
 
Will definitely never be the same but i think things could be done to make it more sustainable and few things are moving towards it....

I dont agree with government regulations as well (unless we are all moving towards doom with our habits and government steps in) and I feel that within free economy we can acheive environmental sustainability...

Free market does what people want to do...if a rational human being thinks that with current practices his future is at stake, they will demand for technologies that help create better environment...so free markets are not a problem...they are based on rational behaviour.....

The problem i think is that rational behaviour is often equated just with profit maximisation, and in that pursuit only, as you say, we have pushed mother earth in a fast and faster gear...global warming is a result of putting short term profitability ahead of a longer term perspective...

A good thing is that it all depends on what people like us want, if we want a green car, there will be a market for green car, which will lead to greater demand for green car, the investors will invest in companies which produce green car, the valuations for companies producing green cars will go up...so all this cycle can actually be turned into a virtuous cycle too rather than the resource consuming vicious one...it just depends on each of us...



Hi Priti,

I'm not a scientist but I know Planet (Creation) has constantly been changing...It was never the same and will never be same in the future.

Everything eventually will be destroyed (ie the final dance of shiva).

All we have done is pushed mother nature to move into a faster gear.

Govt can force people to change lifestyles i.e. high duty on fuel etc etc with which I dont agree.

I'm afraid we have to learn to adapt to these changes and invent better technologies fast !!!

Deepak

PS: Pls go ahead and buy that 4WD 4.0 Liter Guzzler you always wanted...dont feel guilty.:D
 
my dear friend...your statement appears very pessimist....think you didn't go through the thread properly in saving the energies for 'more' important topics...my question was whether you feel responsible for your future generations or you think they should face and deal with the mess we've left them....

welll preeti its not about saving my energy for a more IMP. topic.... but all i did was i saved sum energy.....lol:D as u suggested n now again am consuming it coz of your misinterpreation............:p :)

no i certianlly dont feel myself responsible..... no one individually can be responsible for these things .... can u just question urself.... ur reasoning here on this topic is consumng hell lot of energy aswell ..... ur PC... my PC... other PPLs PC.... servers... satelites n wot not....:o its ok to be a rational thinker but then think wot u can actually do in real life..... priti plz ask urself ... have u been responsible in all applied senses to your elders, nation.................. n wot not.... if yes then think about future... more so this reminds me most vital word in geeta "KARMA" just be worried about ur individual actions n things would be right .... moreso whn we cant controll present how can we effectively plan n worry for future :confused:

it is all development dear.... no one knew 20 years down the line that we can intreat in such a way ... its a by product of that wasted energy n mess we are leaving behind.... but then we are creating better things for our future enerations.... u get sumthing n u consume few .... n then u leave few for future................... aslo energy is somthing which can never distructed... it allways floats around in some way or other
 
funny :) ...i dont mind you spending your 'renewable' energies on discussing how to save earth's non renewable ones...:p
welll preeti its not about saving my energy for a more IMP. topic.... but all i did was i saved sum energy.....lol:D as u suggested n now again am consuming it coz of your misinterpreation............:p :)
 
funny :) ...i dont mind you spending your 'renewable' energies on discussing how to save earth's non renewable ones...:p

hahahhahahahahahaha all is in spirits dear..... n yeah my energies..... they are allways dieng to be consumed i was jusss cautioned after i read such a serious issue related to saving precious energy :eek: :p :rolleyes: :confused: :D
 
funny :) ...i dont mind you spending your 'renewable' energies on discussing how to save earth's non renewable ones...:p

Mind it priti my 'renewable' energies are derived from earth's non renewable ones... :p :rolleyes: :D .... i consume bread, water, electricity, fuel, infrastructure n blah - blah for my day to day needs..... ..hehehhehehehee :p

Infact now feel that am the culprit ...................>>>>>>>>>> :p :rolleyes: :D
 
i cant say i have been completely responsible...thats not for me to say...the least i can do is try...and i am trying.....

we can argue till doom'sday :p over what is responsible (in terms of creating the so called zero footprint on earth) and what is not...lets talk about the aggregate....

many scientists have linked tsunami with global warming, could you have said the same thing, had you been living in the coastal regions of thailand?

What about the poor penguins and polar bears whose habitat is completely being destroyed by it.....you know what if you can do one thing...you can watch this movie if u get time....these things dont get discussed in India much because there are more pressing issues for everyone...like shilpa shetty's 'all called for money' racial slur....:p

yes no one knows 100% but we have a science that has been developed over the years and that science can predict certain outcomes...

maybe, collectively people can have an effect on changing the direction of this development a little bit....

no i certianlly dont feel myself responsible..... no one individually can be responsible for these things .... can u just question urself.... ur reasoning here on this topic is consumng hell lot of energy aswell ..... ur PC... my PC... other PPLs PC.... servers... satelites n wot not....:o its ok to be a rational thinker but then think wot u can actually do in real life..... priti plz ask urself ... have u been responsible in all applied senses to your elders, nation.................. n wot not.... if yes then think about future... more so this reminds me most vital word in geeta "KARMA" just be worried about ur individual actions n things would be right .... moreso whn we cant controll present how can we effectively plan n worry for future :confused:

it is all development dear.... no one knew 20 years down the line that we can intreat in such a way ... its a by product of that wasted energy n mess we are leaving behind.... but then we are creating better things for our future enerations.... u get sumthing n u consume few .... n then u leave few for future................... aslo energy is somthing which can never distructed... it allways floats around in some way or other
 
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oh yes, you are :D .....
Mind it priti my 'renewable' energies are derived from earth's non renewable ones... :p :rolleyes: :D .... i consume bread, water, electricity, fuel, infrastructure n blah - blah for my day to day needs..... ..hehehhehehehee :p

Infact now feel that am the culprit ...................>>>>>>>>>> :p :rolleyes: :D
 
Nice Topic

Dear Priti,
It is a nice topic that you have brought up for discussion. I have not seen the movie though, but it was widely covered on US media at the time of release. I think Mr. Al Gore has brought out a very pertinent topic to fore front and must be credited for that.
We do have a responsibility to take creative and necessary action now to help our future generations. The passivity to such an important issue may not help us. While we can't vouch for others we on our own can take the necessary measure to conserve the environment and preserve the balance.
Once again thanks a lot for raising an important topic.
 
I am not into this global-warming thing. But, I do my bit to contribute less trash to the environment.

I save all batteries that I use.

I have reduced my driving considerably. I always wished to have Military Issue Hummer, which I will very soon. But that wont be everyday use. I will use it maybe 4-6 weekends a year or for hauling heavy loads here and there.
 
thats quite commendable considering you dont buy into global warming arguments! I dont know whats your time frame for buying a hummer but there might actually be a hybrid one by then....maybe a little more expensive but might actually save on your gas bills!

I am not into this global-warming thing. But, I do my bit to contribute less trash to the environment.

I save all batteries that I use.

I have reduced my driving considerably. I always wished to have Military Issue Hummer, which I will very soon. But that wont be everyday use. I will use it maybe 4-6 weekends a year or for hauling heavy loads here and there.
 
things I do...

not a carbon neutral person...but...I do

- separate my household garbage for recycling
- Reduce it as much as I can
- keep the thermostat switched off when not required (wear a sweater or two to be cosy...it feels like indian winter time at home)
- take public transport when i can
- switch off light bulbs and unplug electronics whenever i can remember(keeps the place a little more spartan)
- love unpackaged stuff....lush is a good one for toiletries, st. lawrance market is great for food produce
- pursuade (to little success) my investment analyst husband that corporate social and environmental performance matters for the bottomline and thus to shareholders
- work and research in social and environmental finance.
 
What about the poor penguins and polar bears whose habitat is completely being destroyed by it.....you know what if you can do one thing...you can watch this movie if u get time....these things dont get discussed in India much because there are more pressing issues for everyone...like shilpa shetty's 'all called for money' racial slur...

well wot makes u write that statement priti ....... ok we have time only for such things but then how did u come across this thing....:rolleyes: i hope u turn ur ears deaf opon hearing such stuff...... right????? :confused: BTW thx for making me aware about this topic.... i really didnt knew about it.......:p :rolleyes: :D

Also for ur info this drama has been staged in ur thinking and responsible west not in india ... also the monetry benefits were to the channel there n not here .... i doubt that show is aired in india....:eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

Cummmon priti i still cant controll my laughter ............. as wot was the need to say this ......... how many years have u been in west ????? u go on to say that before going to west u were also mentally sick n now u r suddenly enlightened and think about whole world....... i wish i was there tooo... so that i can also be a sensible person and the one who dosent gossip around allways..... :o :p

please be assured ppl in india are very sensible and are doing their bit in all spehers of life ... but then exceptions and a mix of all type of ppl is there in whole world... then wy only india or indians have to be blamed ....

i wonder there are more gossip mag's n programmes in US then in india !!!! now u decide ................
 
thats quite commendable considering you dont buy into global warming arguments! I dont know whats your time frame for buying a hummer but there might actually be a hybrid one by then....maybe a little more expensive but might actually save on your gas bills!

Ha Ha Ha @ Hybrid Hummer.

The hummer would loose its objective if they will ever make the battery operated ones.

Batteries can never produce the kind of torque that gasoline or diesel engines can, unless the battery operated engine is the size of a house.

The only reason I am buying a Military Issue one is because I cannot afford the civilian version. :) I think I have to compromise the leather interiors, Bose sound system, navigation, sunroof/moon roof, climate controlled seats. and what not.

Besides, I do not think my hummer will melt the arctic sheets as I do not plan to use it for more than 3000 miles a year.

The reason I do not buy into the global warming propaganda is because of the kind of people it comes from. If you look at the credentials of the people who are at the forefront of the global warming propaganda, you will see that they are hardcore left wing socialists who resent private enterprise.

Global warming is just the front to hinder development of industrial infrastructure.

If someone uses the term "Climate Change" I am all ears to it. It is just a cycle that we are going through. The earth is switching poles. The climate may get warmer in the years to come. Sea levels may rise. But, then it will be ice-age again. If you look at the evolution of earth, you will see this pattern.
 
The reason I do not buy into the global warming propaganda is because of the kind of people it comes from. If you look at the credentials of the people who are at the forefront of the global warming propaganda, you will see that they are hardcore left wing socialists who resent private enterprise.

Global warming is just the front to hinder development of industrial infrastructure.

If someone uses the term "Climate Change" I am all ears to it. It is just a cycle that we are going through. The earth is switching poles. The climate may get warmer in the years to come. Sea levels may rise. But, then it will be ice-age again. If you look at the evolution of earth, you will see this pattern.


In agreement wid u sumit..... how can we forget that today life on earth is because of the climate change .... its something natural and will go on for eternity.... after all nature teaches us one very imp. thing and thats "change" so be ready for it !!!!!!!!! :) ;)

wy make hue n cry all the times... yeah the doccumentry may be gud and on such issues generally we all find them to be gud... coz it involves emotions and we the humans are known as emotional creatures so no big deal and as sumit suggested earlier just do your bit n thats more than sufficient and saving energy also means saving money so every sensible person does that
 
I think what we are experiencing now is nothing less than what we saw in the movie Day After Tomorrow

For those who havent seen it, it states that since we have not been considerate enough for nature, there would be a repetition of what happened a few milleniums ago.
There would be an Ice Age again and things would start again from zero.... All the northern hemisphere would be covered by ice, things will freeze @ once



On the same note, i would like to remind people of a decision that Delhi govt took, to make CNG necessary for diesel run heavy vehicles/\ We can see the difference allready in the air of Delhi
 
not a carbon neutral person...but...I do

- separate my household garbage for recycling
- Reduce it as much as I can
- keep the thermostat switched off when not required (wear a sweater or two to be cosy...it feels like indian winter time at home)
- take public transport when i can
- switch off light bulbs and unplug electronics whenever i can remember(keeps the place a little more spartan)
- love unpackaged stuff....lush is a good one for toiletries, st. lawrance market is great for food produce
- pursuade (to little success) my investment analyst husband that corporate social and environmental performance matters for the bottomline and thus to shareholders
- work and research in social and environmental finance.

Hi Priti,

In our homes in India thanks to combination of economics and morals (i.e. money factor and it is sin to waste) we are taught this from early childhood.

But what makes me laugh is the way the propaganda machine in the West is working on this issue.

It reminds me of analogy of a person who does not take sugar in the tea but stuffs oneself with Chocolate and Candies. :)

Deepak
 
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