An Inconvenient Truth

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moral high grounds....

Hey Deepak

I agree with you, nobody should take a higher moral ground on this issue whether its the western countries or eastern...everyone is part of the globe and cant be excused from a global issue...and I do think that nobody is taking the higher moral grounds....

I recently saw the documentary from which you had mentioned some facts...the Great Global Warming Swindle....and I must say I was quite shocked initially by their claim that its all made up by hippies who didn't have anything to do after the Berlin wall collapsed!!! :D my my now i know where its all coming from.........

But then I watched it again...and I thought for a moment...and it appeared to me how much viewership this program will get especially at a time like this where its a top issue in many countries...and the maker is really really smart in that sense....my next post is something I recently got...and I'm sure you must have read the Independent in England recently, where one of the scientist who appeared in the program has clearly said how his quotes have been misrepresented........this program is amazingly deft at leaving people convinced that global warming is a hogwash....no wonder this topic got extra-ordinary opposition here......

anyway, here comes my next post...

antil-sunpatiya said:
Hi Priti,

I'm not a scientist but common sense says...We all have CO2 element in us (plants/animals/plants).

And ocean / sea / rivers / ponds who are the biggest emitter of Co2 gas than human factories put together.

We must respect nature, but I'm against the proporganda and hypocricy.

Vedic thought compares earth (and all it empasses) to as mother. We are taught to respect rivers, trees etc etc in our rituals. Which I'm sure most indians born in India are aware of.

I just get amused, when I hear western nations take such a moral ground when they are themselves the biggest polluter on this planet.

Per woh kehte hai naa...dayr aaye dursat aaye. :)

Warm regrads,

Deepak
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The Great Misrepresentations of the Great Global Warming Swindle

Hello Folks

(Samar...finally I made some sense of it...)

I'm glad I started this topic here because it not only made me take more initiative to learn more about this almost unknown (to me) issue (which had always been peripheral to my work) but it has also reinforced that simple truths are pretty complicated in real life....

Getting back to the channel 4 'The Great Global Warming Swindle', I recently got the enclosed in my post, and I'm sure its not something I cannot share in this forum. This is a formal complaint to ofcom against the makers of this documentary, the grounds for the complaint is 'misrepresentation' of facts and quotes.....

Its a long read...do it at your pleasure if you want to...also thats why i'm not pasting it here.
 
Last weekend, it snowed like crazy in Cleveland. It was so bad that the Mariners-Indians game had to be cancelled.

No one could predict the snow a week ago. And here we have these "Global Warming Gurus" predicting the climate 50 years from now.

No one means any offense to you Priti. But, you need to wake up that you have been scammed. Ofcourse there is climate change. But, we humans are not as responsible for it as nature itself. And it aint as bad as the Global Warming Gurus are making it out to be.ANd considering the example I cited above, there should be hardl any doubt that they are BS-ing about whats going to happen 50 years from now.
 
Eyes Wide Shut! (and I don't mean the Tom Cruise Fiasco!)

dahiyarules said:
Last weekend, it snowed like crazy in Cleveland. It was so bad that the Mariners-Indians game had to be cancelled.

No one could predict the snow a week ago. And here we have these "Global Warming Gurus" predicting the climate 50 years from now.

Ofcourse there is climate change. But, we humans are not as responsible for it as nature itself. And it aint as bad as the Global Warming Gurus are making it out to be.
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Oh lord! That means the rest of the world (and it is not just some specialist Gurus we are talking about here) that is suddenly waking up to this stuff, must really be nuts after all!
We all can just call it a day and go back to our SUV's (or is it the 'not-bought-yet' Hummer) without losing too much sleep on this bunch of 'crap', (it's all really the fault of the weather predicting guys who don't know their job after all)...:rolleyes:

Actually you had me convinced right off the bat when you mentioned the crazy snow in Cleveland! :D :D :D
 
Moment of Truth!!!

....You know after all the ridiculous laughs, naysayers, and the friendly ribbing, reading all this reminds me of this article I had read about on Environmental issues which was aptly titled, 'Moment of Truth'....

Very briefly; the whole discussion in the article was about whether if this whole push to save this planet just a fad, or is it actually a turning point???...and of course I couldn't but get reminded of that very discussion reading some of these very questions and the 'aaah, we-aren't-the-ones-responsible' talks happening right here.......

Well, here is why:
The article mentioned an incident wherein this Harvard educated oceanographer who studied climatic changes and how it affects marine life had famously and pompously declared in an interview (Sumit, please pay attention to this)... "The worst stuff is not gong to happen...not that I think that the projection's aren't that [accurate], but because we can't be that stupid!" ...

The article then goes on furthur and lists the overwhelming responses that he got, that well...essentially said, What do you mean, we can't be that stupid? Just look around!!!.......................

People, with that I rest my case...

ps. Well anyways now that we have got that out of the way; here's hoping that maybe in the next following posts we can try and force ourselves to discuss about the issue itself rather than bickering about if it IS an issue or not!
 
We all are responsible for the state of affairs prevailing around us.Nature gave us the best we needed but our greed for comforts coupled with irresponsible behaviour has brought us to this pass.In other words it is our own creation and hence we all have to face the music too.On the brighter side,nature has its own mechanism to balance things in its own way but that is not just free as there is a cost attached to the resultent of every misendeavour undertaken by us all[knowingly or unknowingly].Nature does carry out its cleansing acts in shape of famine,floods,diseases etc from time to time and part of the humanity has to perish every time.So bang on regardless but remember that what we sow the shall we reap.
 
hmm..!!

devdahiya said:
We all are responsible for the state of affairs prevailing around us.Nature gave us the best we needed but our greed for comforts coupled with irresponsible behaviour has brought us to this pass.In other words it is our own creation and hence we all have to face the music too.On the brighter side,nature has its own mechanism to balance things in its own way but that is not just free as there is a cost attached to the resultent of every misendeavour undertaken by us all[knowingly or unknowingly].Nature does carry out its cleansing acts in shape of famine,floods,diseases etc from time to time and part of the humanity has to perish every time.So bang on regardless but remember that what we sow the shall we reap.
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yes, u r rite pahladpuriye..!!:p :p i agree..!!:p ;) :D :D
 
shailendra said:
(or is it the 'not-bought-yet' Hummer) ! :D :D :D
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Did the cost benefit analysis. It is not worth spending 20K on a vehicle that I do not expect to drive more than a 1000 miles a year. Especially considering my "inconvenient" financial situation :D

Boy I love those monsters. Just wanna grind through those swamps and deserts at 80 miles and hour. Someday, I will make it happen.
 
You also need to wake up my friend!

A lady Dr. at AIMS has revealed in her research paper that Men who wear tight Jeans supported by Global warming would have lowered their chances of fathering babies. She has explained how the Tight Jeans and Global warming reduces the sperm count drastically in men.
 
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spdeshwal said:
You also need to wake up my friend!

A lady Dr. at AIMS has revealed in her research paper that Men who wear tight Jeans supported by Global warming would have lowered their chances of fathering babies. She has explained how the Tight Jeans and Global warming reduces the sperm count drastically in men.
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Was it a joke or was it a taunt towards me.
 
Dear Sumit,

Neither it was a joke nor a taunt towards you but a serious piece of information i wanted to share with you and others. This information was part of a Zee News bulletin on 13th of April 2007. Unfortunately i forgot the name of the Research Scholar but trying to find the link. Scholar's contention was that high temperature in the testes caused by tight under clothes particularly Jeans and enhanced by Global warming destroys the sperms. It was incidental that you have photograph with a jeans trousers. Otherwise i had no intention to embarrass you. I am sorry if you felt that way.
 
A long road ahead but the hope is very clear

hi everyone,
certainly the topic pertains to a most serious question of our times on which survival of entire biosphere depends.
as far as responsibility is concerned, of course each of us shares it but the degree varies.eg manmohan singh's responsibility can't be equated with that of george bush.this is a general argument but to be very specific it all depend on per capita emission in context of kyoto protocol(an international effort to put on hold upward trend of global warming) ie in a country on an average how much green house gases are produced for maintenace of a normal citizen.
incidentlly citizen of a developed country contribute as much as 50 times to that of a developing country's citizen. it is this contrast which is preventing an international comprehensive covention to take shape coz then countries like usa will hv to share responsiblity much greater than that of developing countries like african & asian countries which seem to be right in opinion of these countries as they believe that polluter must pay for its remedy.
but that is going on at a higher echleon of policy making and this in no way bars a normal citizen to take their own steps for a greater cause.
in a country like india whr 70% of electricity comes from coal , thr is strong need of elecricity discipline. in our counrty electricity losses are up to 33%(which include misuse, theft, tansmission& distribution losses) which are only 3% in usa and 7% in china.
now who is doing all this.it is none other than this country's proud citizens. ur responsiblility does not stop at the point of minimization of ur misuse but to the extent that u must persuade others (at least ur relatives) to follow sound norms of electricity discipline. neither u become an electricity thief nor u allow others to do so.
2ndly the pace at which no. of vehicles are increasing in this country is really alarming.obviously i m not advocating that people stop purchasing vehicles but rather i think we still need some sense of discipline in this field also.interestingly u dont always enjoy driving(imagine urself caught in a traffic jam may be near nangloi). so community transport development can be an alternative.this is not limited to govt buses and rails rather each company which has certain no. of employees can arrange for a common transport at employees request or employees can arrange it themselves. in rest of the cases one can use personal vehicle.

these are only few steps. when we think we will find that we can make an entire list of possible steps that can lead to reversal of global warming even when efforts are made at local level. once it takes an integrated approach things will become much sustainable. eg if we save 25% of our electricity cost we can use that money for developing hydel and nuclear energy which are clean fuels.
a considerable saving in fuel cost can enable the govt to develop better roads, metro trains etc which further save our energy consumption.
so choice is ours. its not that we cant do anything. we are proud to call ourselves jats .why not this community take 1st step over the entire globe at community level to curb this menace when everbody seem to apprehensive abt it but not couragious enough to make requisite sacrifices.
"jat balwan jai bhagwan"
ur strength is a gift of god to u . u can do anything and everything that is right in the eyes of god coz for that u will always find his candid support as well as his blessings.
sincerely yours
vikas narwal
 
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