ATTENTION!!!!!!!Jaat Reservation Polling

Do JAAT NEED RESERVATION


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i find it useless..i have friends who couldnot get into some of the top colleges just because of this QuOtA thingy...LAME..!! its not their fault that they belong to the general quota..c'mon we need to get out of this..and make others realize its effects too..

So what are you really saying here?
1. Reservation is useless.
OR
2. Discussion on reservation is useless.

Your first reply was (2) and second reply (1). And these are sort of contradictory statements if you think about it. If you really think it is a useless thing that is harming your friends, then there surely is a benefit in discussing its -ve effects, no?

PS: It is quite weird and impolite to jump in a discussion that everyone is taking quite seriously and start calling it lame and useless. I mean, why bother, if you really think it is lame and useless?
 
all those who have voted in favour of this need to realize..reservation is not everything..i have seen my parents achieve soo much without any kind of reservation..
people understand this...No rEsErVaTiOnS..!!!
 
@kapil--
for me this whole reservation thing is useless...i just said what i felt was right..!!
asking for reservations is lame..discussing it without coming to a conclusion is useless..!!
 
YES , surely this discussion is lame and useless as pointed by one member.

Do any of you thinks that views here will impact in anyways to deaf ears of policy makers & sure shot NO to change mind of so called educated participants.

Reservation is such a topic that everyone feels mastery over it and forums won't have much impact on such a topic.
 
YES , surely this discussion is lame and useless as pointed by one member.

Do any of you thinks that views here will impact in anyways to deaf ears of policy makers & sure shot NO to change mind of so called educated participants.

Reservation is such a topic that everyone feels mastery over it and forums won't have much impact on such a topic.

By that logic, all discussions are useless.
 
Sir,
We all agree to disagree here, without doubting sincerity of anyone. :)
Regards
Dear khatkar & anjoo, I can assure you no sentiment is involved except that the discrimination has been done to our community and that is fact. my sweet brother, may I know all disadvantages of reservation by your logic. One more logical fact for your kind information that what ever few seats left for general cat , are either sold at high price or go to those who are already in power ( politicians & beaurocrates + business houses) thus hardly any scope left for even hard working & intelligent jat people. Many times few brothers mentioned that jat leaders will make use of reservation, I would like to mention here that the discussion is goingon on jatland & I donot think that all those favouring reservation, are jat leaders or even politicians, Therefore why are we douting their sincere service to the community & even some of us make use of the provision of reservation, let him do it he is also a jat.
 
all those who have voted in favour of this need to realize..reservation is not everything..i have seen my parents achieve soo much without any kind of reservation..
people understand this...No rEsErVaTiOnS..!!!

Times are totally different now a days Neha. When your parents started their career, there was less education and competition in our country. I will not say that they got every thing easily, but it was slightly easier than what we have these days. If you see for 1 job there will be thousands of applications now a days while in ur parents case it wuld have been a few hundreds only or may be less than that,since literacy rate was poor those days.
Its a cut throat competition these days (even in paying bribes and then getting jobs.) So it would be good if we discuss the things keeping the present scenario in consideration.

Regarding reservation I'uld say that either this should be completely abolished or it should be based only on financial condition of a family and that too sholud be for a limited period only. As Sunil mentioned by getting reservation we will get relaxations in age and money spent on each form, and also the number of attempts will be increased. If the present policies of providing reservations are to be continued (it will continue rather) then i don't see a harm in getting some benefit out of this for we people also. Those who are competent and skillful will always get through but those who are average will definitley get some benefit out of it. Competent people will always work hard irrespective of the reservation. Its their strong thinking and approach towards their life that makes them competent. So in my opinion reservation will not affect their way of thinking under any circumstances. But everyone doesn't have the same IQ. So for average student it can reap him some sort of benefit.

I would take a small example here. In Haryana recently some STAT (for qualifying to teachers post) exam was held. Few people missed the cut off by 2-3 marks only (200 was the cut off for General and some 160/150 for others and its irrelevant to think that there were no jats who missed out like that). So if I go by the facts that OBC gets slight benefit only in cut offs, say for example 5-10 marks, just imagine how many more people from our community would have been able to crack through the test and pave some sort of way for their career?? So small small things does matter a lot. So i can see no harm, in current scenario, in having reservation.
 
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Times are totally different now a days Neha. When your parents started

I would take a small example here. In Haryana recently some STAT (for qualifying to teachers post) exam was held. Few people missed the cut off by 2-3 marks only (200 was the cut off for General and some 160/150 for others and its irrelevant to think that there were no jats who missed out like that). So if I go by the facts that OBC gets slight benefit only in cut offs, say for example 5-10 marks, just imagine how many more people from our community would have been able to crack through the test and pave some sort of way for their career?? So small small things does matter a lot. So i can see no harm, in current scenario, in having reservation.

Hahahah.................

Deepak hav you seen the level of ques. in that so called STET

Usmey agar koi fail hota hai to usey dubara 11v 12v kar leni chahiye, istey jayada ki aukat na se STET ki.

STET is nothing but proved a money making machine for har govt. 500 rupyee ka form, STET dene k liye hisaar aaley ka faridabad centre faridabad aalya ka hisaar (choriyan gel ek aadmi aur jaga) ticket ke peesey milangey govt ne. Er naukri khatar fer 500 rupyee ka form.

Jo farm bhari baithe se unkey interview call ka koi bera na, Caal aawegi tab fer bori bhari handan padega peesya ki kisey gel.
 
Can’t Jat unite to abolish the reservation out of system?

However, the statement seems very easy to write here and one can imagine the hurdles, pain, politics, & lot of efforts to do that.

In past also time-to-time anti reservation voices raised but get into vain.

If our reservation favoring jat leaders make efforts to unite the victims of reservation system such as medical, engineering students , general category castes. At least I am sure enough that this time nationwide voice will be hear by dumb politician.

Why:-
  1. In date 51% population of India is under 25 & two third under 35 (Left the option for any JLanders to give update ) & youngsters are more open to accept the new ideas & systems, More over situation is different to 1990’s & 2006 when agitations take place against reservation. Populations of frustrated youngsters of non reserved category also increasing.

If a single woman “Aradhana Gupta” in recent Ruchika case can unite the whole India in one voice even after 19 years of struggle why cannot Jat.

  1. Most of E- media houses are under general category people.
  2. Central govt is now in more stable position to revamp the reservation system. Unlike 2006, Central govt. is no more under pressure of their ministers.
  3. To take political advantage in north India congress definitely will take steps at least to revisit the reservation system as most of northern states & states with higher GDP have forward cast population in majority except Tamilnadu.
  4. It is also possible that who are still in promise to get reservation from govt. will go along with anti reservation proponents.


“Delhi Gherao” is not going to give any reservation to Jat, in fact answer from govt. will same that they need to revamp reservation system.Salman Khursid still wait to present report for Muslim reservations. Only 0 % chances that Jat will get reservation and If Jat will get then jat will be divide by these politician for sake of reservation , to break the rising unities of Jat.So why Jat are ready to get blame of reservation if there are other ways also to get the equality in system.
 
competition remains the same be it any age,any time...this is what my parents have told me(just to stop me from blaming the stupid competition thing..;))...
my views on ReSeRVaTiOn are something which i strongly feel...i'm not representing any community here...all i want to say is that this should be stopped...everybody should be given a fair chance to perform...
and yeah about that getting-a-job thing,i don't know why different cut-offs are there for people belonging to different section of the society..??
the root cause of the mayhem created by reservation is solely the -division of the society into different groups..!! agar OBC ,ST, SC etc nai hote toh shayad reservation bi nai hoti..now with that i would like to end this discussion..!!
R.I.P :-p
 
Can’t Jat unite to abolish the reservation out of system?

However, the statement seems very easy to write here and one can imagine the hurdles, pain, politics, & lot of efforts to do that.

In past also time-to-time anti reservation voices raised but get into vain.

If our reservation favoring jat leaders make efforts to unite the victims of reservation system such as medical, engineering students , general category castes. At least I am sure enough that this time nationwide voice will be hear by dumb politician.


Why:-
  1. In date 51% population of India is under 25 & two third under 35 (Left the option for any JLanders to give update ) & youngsters are more open to accept the new ideas & systems, More over situation is different to 1990’s & 2006 when agitations take place against reservation. Populations of frustrated youngsters of non reserved category also increasing.

Brother this is what I am apealing to all of the youths here on JL who are opposing this reservation and are against reservation .....

That though the people who are fighting for jat reservation are fighting for a less moral thing than what is in your minds .... but still they are better than you dumb people .... atleast they are doing something .....

COME ON .... start ... KARVAN ban jaega ... Khatkar ... aachi soch hai ... aagey badho mere bhai ... aapki aachi soch hai ... aap kar sakte ho .... For sure jit kahega hude teri sath rally karunga and many other from this site will do .... PAR MERE BHAI KUCH KARO TO .... ANTI-RESERVATION WALO ....

The people who are playing major role in organising these rallies and seminars in the past are from JL itself .... after discussions here ... they have joined efforts and doing them on ground .... then whynot the same could be done by the anti-reservation guys .....

Do they lack xeal in them?
Are they sitting abroad mostly and have plans to get settled there?
Are they less efficient?
There are not much youth's involved?
They are more busier than the ones who are coming out on ground to ask for it?

Could you please let us know this pitty of in-activeness?

If not then what is the issue with them ... why not they join hands and do some gathering or seminars ... press vigyapan's .... may be little ones .... believe me your thoughts are more noble than ours but without action they are nothing .... merely asking others to do this and that will not help brothers ....
 
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In present scenerio there is nothing like reservation for needy .... its politics and no one can remove this nuisance ...

I, for one, would not mind if pro- reservation people also did not do anything....just like me....:)
Brother this is what I am apealing to all of the youths here on JL who are opposing this reservation and are against reservation .....

That though the people who are fighting for jat reservation are fighting for a less moral thing than what is in your minds .... but still they are better than you dumb people .... atleast they are doing something .....

COME ON .... start ... KARVAN ban jaega ... Khatkar ... aachi soch hai ... aagey badho mere bhai ... aapki aachi soch hai ... aap kar sakte ho .... For sure jit kahega hude teri sath rally karunga and many other from this site will do .... PAR MERE BHAI KUCH KARO TO .... ANTI-RESERVATION WALO ....

The people who are playing major role in organising these rallies and seminars in the past are from JL itself .... after discussions here ... they have joined efforts and doing them on ground .... then whynot the same could be done by the anti-reservation guys .....

Do they lack xeal in them?
Are they sitting abroad mostly and have plans to get settled there?
Are they less efficient?
There are not much youth's involved?
They are more busier than the ones who are coming out on ground to ask for it?

Could you please let us know this pitty of in-activeness?

If not then what is the issue with them ... why not they join hands and do some gathering or seminars ... press vigyapan's .... may be little ones .... believe me your thoughts are more noble than ours but without action they are nothing .... merely asking others to do this and that will not help brothers ....
 
If Jats will unite to abolish the reservation from system I will be first in row for "Delhi gherao".Rest I wound not like to speak only in words.
 
Brother this is what I am apealing to all of the youths here on JL who are opposing this reservation and are against reservation .....

That though the people who are fighting for jat reservation are fighting for a less moral thing than what is in your minds .... but still they are better than you dumb people .... atleast they are doing something .....

COME ON .... start ... KARVAN ban jaega ... Khatkar ... aachi soch hai ... aagey badho mere bhai ... aapki aachi soch hai ... aap kar sakte ho .... For sure jit kahega hude teri sath rally karunga and many other from this site will do .... PAR MERE BHAI KUCH KARO TO .... ANTI-RESERVATION WALO ....

The people who are playing major role in organising these rallies and seminars in the past are from JL itself .... after discussions here ... they have joined efforts and doing them on ground .... then whynot the same could be done by the anti-reservation guys .....

Do they lack xeal in them?
Are they sitting abroad mostly and have plans to get settled there?
Are they less efficient?
There are not much youth's involved?
They are more busier than the ones who are coming out on ground to ask for it?

Could you please let us know this pitty of in-activeness?

If not then what is the issue with them ... why not they join hands and do some gathering or seminars ... press vigyapan's .... may be little ones .... believe me your thoughts are more noble than ours but without action they are nothing .... merely asking others to do this and that will not help brothers ....

Rally se kuch nahin hoga!

All leaders say so (Ajit Singh of UP) that until you turn violent.
(Bus etc ke aag la do)

I Say when Politics is centred around one household .....V Know the TARGET.
Can anyone have will to be BHAGAT SINGH ?

( Ek jhatke main Reservation out , farmers get price of their produce , Haryana its Water , More representation of JATs in armed forces not just 1.5 percent based on population )
 
I am against any kind on reservation based on Cast/Religion/Region. It further broaden gaps in our already divided society.......

Rather then begging for reservation for ourselves we should Start an countrywide Agitation to PURGE any kind of reservation in country. We have many other ways to empower the needy people of society.
 
जितेंदर भाई एक पुराणी लेकिन मज़ेदार बात है. एक बार एक काग ( कौवा) मोरों के झुण्ड को पंख फैला कर नाचते हुए देख रहा था. सयाने काग ने मन ही मन सोचा की मोर कितना सुंदर होता है. अगर मेरे पास भी पंख हो तो मै भी इतना ही सुंदर बन जाऊंगा. उसने मोरों के झुण्ड का पीछा करना शुरू किया , जहाँ भी मोर पंख गिरते काग उनको चुन कर अपनी कमर में लगा लेता. इस प्रकार उसने अपनी कमर को मोर पंखो से सुसज्जित कर लिया. अपने आप को मोर समझ कर वो आखिरी में उन मोरों के झुण्ड में जा पहुंचा और उधर के पंखो के साथ नृत्य करने लगा. सारे मोर पिहू पिहू की धवनी के साथ मगन थे. किन्तु अब काग के गले से जब कक्राश कावं कावं निकली तो मोरों ने पहचान लिया की ये मोर नहीं अपितु एक काग है. उन्होंने काग को चोंच चोंच मार के भगा दिया. अब घायल अवस्था में काग अपने खुद के झुण्ड में कमर में लगे हुए मोर पंखो के साथ पहुंचा . सारे काग उसका उपहास करने लगे की देखो दुष्ट अपनी पहचान छोड़ कर मोर बनाना चाहता था मारो इसको . इस प्रकार कौवों के झुण्ड ने भी उस पाखंडी को पिट कर भगा दिया. काग को अकल आई की अपनी पहचान चाहे कितनी भी अच्छी हो या बुरी हो अपनी ही होती है और उधर की चाहे कितनी भी लुभावनी हो परायी एवं पीड़ा दायक होती है .

आरक्षण के विभिन्न तर्क , कुतर्क एवं वितर्क हैं. आप कई बार सरकारी सेवाओ में तथ्य सहित प्रमाण पेश करते हैं लेकिन एक बार भी आपने सामान्य कोटे के अंतर्गत सीट बढाने का विचार नहीं रखा जो की ज्यादा व्याहारिक है.


रही बात आरक्षण के विरोधियो की , तो ये जरुरी नहीं है सभी आरक्षण विरोधी सड़को पर उतरे , जैसा की आपने एक भावनात्मक सम्भोदन में कहा. मेरे ख्याल से सभी आरक्षण विरोधी अपने मित्रो , संबंधियों को उनके अनुभवों से अवस्य प्रेरित करते होंगे और ये भी आवश्यक नहीं है की ज्यादा लोग अगर आरक्षण के हक़ में हैं तो ये सही है. अच्छा हमेशा सही नहीं होता. उनको सही मायनों में अगर कुछ करना है तो वो है अपने क्षेत्र में गगनचुम्बी सफलता को छूना जो उन जैसे कई जाटों को ये पायदान छूने के जज्बे से भर दे. पिछले पंद्रह सालो में जितने जाट युवक/युवतिया जितना शिक्षा के क्षेत्र में आगे बढे हैं शायद ही इतिहास में पहले कभी ऐसा हुआ हो.

आप जिन संस्थानों की बात करते हैं उनमे मेडिकल एवं प्रसासनिक सेवाए ज्यादा हैं जिनमे एक सामन्य ग्रामीण ( अगर आरक्षण सीधा एक ग्रामीण जाट को जायेगा तो) युवक के लिए ज्यादा नहीं है. आपको शायद मालूम हो या न हो किन्तु इन सबके बावजूद आपको अपने स्थानीय अनपढ़ नेता, विधायक के यहाँ लगातार हाजिरी लगनी पड़ती है. हाजिरी के साथ साथ आपकी जेब भी मोटी हो तब जाकर काम बनाने के आसार बड़ते हैं. आरक्षण इस विषय को एक अपने संज्ञान में लेता ही नहीं.

जाटो को आरक्षण से ज्यादा आवश्यकता खुद पर भरोसे की है. मैंने ये सब हरयाणा के जाटो के लिया कहा है. ये आखिरी पोस्ट रहेगी मेरी और से.

धन्यवाद्
 
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जितेंदर भाई एक पुराणी लेकिन मज़ेदार बात है....

आरक्षण के विभिन्न तर्क , कुतर्क एवं वितर्क हैं. आप कई बार सरकारी सेवाओ में तथ्य सहित प्रमाण पेश करते हैं लेकिन एक बार भी आपने सामान्य कोटे के अंतर्गत सीट बढाने का विचार नहीं रखा जो की ज्यादा व्याहारिक है.

I have written in favour of reservation for jats and also always appreciated such view points too in past. Also said that these are the things that can go side by side. But not challenging present scene will be keeping a blind eye to a bug that is eating the whole nation. We have to fight either to remove this or to get part of it. To me keeping a blind eye is not the solution. It will gradually keep on increasing in forms of minority reservation, private sector reservation and so on .... anyday to remove this people have to come out and oppose. All the decision making posts of this country and other low level posts will be filled by such people and this way we cant expect much better way of living here.

Meri te samajh mein eeke baat aave se ,..... iss sarkar ne charun aur te badhya kar dyo sahi kadam uthan ne .... arakshan ke virodh se .... kuch arakshan maang ke isko neutralise karo ... warna ye voton ka janjal sab kha jaega ek din.

रही बात आरक्षण के विरोधियो की , तो ये जरुरी नहीं है सभी आरक्षण विरोधी सड़को पर उतरे , जैसा की आपने एक भावनात्मक सम्भोदन में कहा. मेरे ख्याल से सभी आरक्षण विरोधी अपने मित्रो , संबंधियों को उनके अनुभवों से अवस्य प्रेरित करते होंगे और ये भी आवश्यक नहीं है की ज्यादा लोग अगर आरक्षण के हक़ में हैं तो ये सही है. अच्छा हमेशा सही नहीं होता. उनको सही मायनों में अगर कुछ करना है तो वो है अपने क्षेत्र में गगनचुम्बी सफलता को छूना जो उन जैसे कई जाटों को ये पायदान छूने के जज्बे से भर दे. पिछले पंद्रह सालो में जितने जाट युवक/युवतिया जितना शिक्षा के क्षेत्र में आगे बढे हैं शायद ही इतिहास में पहले कभी ऐसा हुआ हो.

There can be peaceful ways too to protest, though that is not understood by present day govt and people, like sugarcane farmers were listened only when they come out else rahul baba would be sleeping like earlier. I have written to do seminars, press releases .... by doing so they are not coming on roads.
Rest what ever you have written should be done and anyhow many people who are asking for reservation also would be doing so .... Karam to rukna hi nahi chahiye .... Karam social ke sath diplomatic hoga tabhi baat banegi aaj ki dasha mein ...

आप जिन संस्थानों की बात करते हैं उनमे मेडिकल एवं प्रसासनिक सेवाए ज्यादा हैं जिनमे एक सामन्य ग्रामीण ( अगर आरक्षण सीधा एक ग्रामीण जाट को जायेगा तो) युवक के लिए ज्यादा नहीं है. आपको शायद मालूम हो या न हो किन्तु इन सबके बावजूद आपको अपने स्थानीय अनपढ़ नेता, विधायक के यहाँ लगातार हाजिरी लगनी पड़ती है. हाजिरी के साथ साथ आपकी जेब भी मोटी हो तब जाकर काम बनाने के आसार बड़ते हैं. आरक्षण इस विषय को एक अपने संज्ञान में लेता ही नहीं.

Nahi bhai ... mein yahan sehamat nahi hun ... kitni hi aisi naukriyan hein jinmein inclusion se samanya gramin yuvak bhi labhanvit honge jaise police, clerks, patwari etc etc. Now people say kya yahi naukriyan rahe gae hein kya .... to jiske liye kuch bhi nahi hai uske liye ye bhi bahut bada sahra hein aur unke aage ki generations ko badal sakti hein ....

जाटो को आरक्षण से ज्यादा खुद पर भरोसे की है. मैंने ये सब हरयाणा के जाटो के लिया कहा है. ये आखिरी पोस्ट रहेगी मेरी और से.

Aarakshan se apne par bharose ki giravat ka tarq meri samajh se pare ki baat hai. Dhaynavad aapne bahut aachey tarq diye iss vishya ke sambandh mein .... halanki bahut se vichar mere aapse mail nahi khae ... it was because of you few people who wrote logically that I also keep posting on this topic again and again .... keep writing on other topics ... cheers.

धन्यवाद्

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Sir,
We all agree to disagree here, without doubting sincerity of anyone. :)
Regards

Anjoo thanks for not doubting. As for as your claim of all agreeing to disagree is concern, I have serious doubt. Because, all jats never agreed on any topic in the past & I am sure we will not agree in future also. If we all agree, than our most of problems will be solved,regards
 
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