Battle of Gods3

[dahiyars]

Dear All

Good debate indeed.The people of the same religion also fight and hate each other.Even the people of the same caste fight very violently in our villages. There are multiple factors for it. But the htred spread by one religion against othes has got some different space and place. The people of the same religion fight because of many reasons and of of the important one is that a religion itself has got a further divisions.

R.S.Dahiya

 

[navingulia]

Religions are not able to play a binding role even within themselves.
If a religion cannot create peace within itself how will it create peace with other religions.
We haveto understand human values of compassion, understanding, respect for each other.

 

[msingh]

naveen not only this ,,what we call the most civilized race (people from Europe )are so afraid of other relegion that they are not ready to listen about any other religion as they think ,,,,that will offened their GOD....
Even i started a thread on this topic where my Australian friend tried his best to convert people from other relegions ,,,,,,,
This only happens when u dont have faith in ur own relegion and u think that people fron other relegions will lead u in a wrong direction ,,,, people should be out od that misconcepetion and grow up

 

[ranvirsingh]

Bhai Naveen I think I am younger than you, so you need not to address me by Sir... even this SIR makes me feel like a Boodha ( no offence to elders, you all deserve this because of your age and experience).

I highly appriciate your humane values and enthusiasm to spread love and compassion and you are doing a great job through Jan Jagriti, keep it up.

No one likes the bloodshed except the evil ones who are in big minority (rather rare) compared to the total population. Religion, if not twisted to miss guide the followers, never leads to hatered. Conflicts occur when we try to force our religion on others. Let me not criticise other religions first, Hindu's donot kill a Cow but they can kill anyother animal or even a human being ! Does Cow feel more pain than other animals? Why Cow sluaghther was prohibited in Hindu religious books? Becauses of it's milk which has a good nutritious value specifically for infants because of it's low protein content compared to that of a buffalo. Another reason was oxen which obeviously were( still are in some parts) backbone of Indian farming system. Saying that Hindu religion prohibits animal killing and than specifically mentioning Cow, leaves some space for animal killing as we see in few temples, and I would say there exists the double standred. We prohibit cow slaughter because of our beliefs and force others to follow it...that's where the conflict starts. Why we force our beliefs on others. On one hand we say we donot force people to convert to hinduism, but then we force them to follow our beliefs...if this is not indirect conversion then what is this?

A pig is hated by muslims and they donot like those who eat it. That again is same..indirect conversion. Seeing the environment in which pigs feed and grow, muslims are correct. Pigs can give you a lot of disease mainly the parasitic. So their philosophy is somewhat scientific too. Then why should a non-muslim force them to face a situation which they donot like and why should Muslims hate those who eat or keep pigs?

Christians eat everything because of their location and availability. These people are primerily from colder regions where growing crops is not easy and animals are in abundance and good quality with more fat due to cold environmet. So they have changed their habbits according to their needs. Then why should muslims or Hindus should criticise them for what they eat?

Conflits occurs when we force others to follow our path forcefully. I have been to few services, listened to the priest, talked with him without showing anger and without hurting his sentiments and he still greets me with warmath. If you talk logically the other person will listen without conflit except when you encounter a fanatic or fundamentalist which are not so common.

One of the cause of conflict is lack of good and rather higher education. If we see minutely most of these fundamentalists and their followers are never highly educated, they are not exposed to the world and science.


Now one question... Do we just fight because of religion? No, when these religions were not there even then wars were faught, because of land, money and sometime even beautiful women. A brother can kill his own family member because of greed of money or land, a farmers sometime kills other farmer just for few minutes of extra water for his fields. When people are murdered without religion being a cause then how can you held religion solely responsible for the hatered. When two lions born to same mother cannot stay together after they attain their adulthood, then I wonder which religion they were preched after birth. Take it as a law of nature or just natural, but conflicts does occur because of several reasons. Having intelligence and sainity of differentiating between pleasure and grief, it becomes our responsibilty to treat others as we want others to treat ourself, if we can achieve this, we will never hurt anyone. Every religion has it's own beauty and benifits, during the time of struggle or misery, we hold the crutches of religion to walkover that period.

So NAvin, as you said let's spead love, compassion and human values but we can do it by making people understand without cricising their faith or belief, but tha's the harder path.

Food for thought- These so called cutter hindus can oppose cow slaughter just to come on to steets and disrupt the normalcy, but they donot care how many cows are dying on Indian raods every day because of hunger or by getting crushed under a vehicle. It is not religion that cause conflict, it's the people with vested interest that cause conflict on the name of religion.

 

[navingulia]

Bhai Ranvir,
I have read the bible, geeta and quran. I am not talking hearsay.
In bible mockery has been made of hindus for the reasons i have already posted. And also of muslims for praying to a false God.
In Quran too mockery has been made of hindus and christians.
These religions are a deviding force.
Till people follow Quran they will follow the laws of shariat. they will not accept any other law. Women will wear burka, honour killings will happen, hands will be chopped off, people will be stoned to death.
why do you think pakistan, aphghanistan and iran have 99% muslim population.
We can unite and live in peace with understanding and compassion if that is promoted not if religions/religious books are promoted.

 

[samarkadian]

Universality of religions and Facts!

Indeed a natural question about religion.I have been haunted by same question since years.Since brought In Hindu family, i was poured with same cults,rituals as another.Going through mostly all 'organised religion' off and on,I came to understand few things.I would like to share instead of debating because its a very personal matter.

Religion, like someone said here is mannual or say a way of living for a community;Further for the survival creator had fixed some rules and regulation and coming generation of supporters moulded it according to their convience.Secondaly, mannual had been formulated according to the living standards of those time, so its not neccesary they are significant in modern times.Since change is a natural process and one has to be in natural rhythm otherwise they dnt survive.Its crucial times in world when religious federations have almost divided world.

Most importent things in understanding a religion, is in its universal applicablity.There is no such 'utopian' mannual which can encircle all faiths on the earth.But few things which are above any 'formulated relegions' are applicable to every HIndu, Muslim,Christian,Jews,Black, White,Chinese,every caste,every Race is DEATH.Every one would die,everyone would face results what kind of deeds they would do in this short span of human life.If I would say dirty things, I would be treated with same thing.These things are the ultimate truths where everyone should not didagree, otherwise all historical and mythological formulation are results of clever minds to take control of society.
To me, all cults are useless.Concluding with saying this is personal quest and one has to ask question one self rather than imposing, related to Universal application of any exisisting faith.
And It would not be fare If do not add some of my favourite lines from "Madhushala".

"Yam Aayega Saki Bankar Saath liye Kali Hala,
Pi na, phir hosh mein aayega ye sura visudh-matwala,
ye antinm behosi, ye antim saki, ye antim pyala hai,
Pathik pyar se pina isko phir na milegi Madhusala,

Musalman aur Hindu hain Do,,ek,magar unka pyala,
Ek magar unka Madiryala,ek,magar, unki hala,
Dono rahte ek na jab tak mandir masjid na jate,
Bair Karate Mandir masjid,Male karati Madhusala."

Thanks!