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Some threads here are really the height of human imagination - dahiya - israeli connection, tomar in portugal and some similar ones.
Can you tell me, when you look yourself in the mirror do you see a israeli? a portugese? Stop cooking stuff up to cover your inferiority complex. If you did not have one why would you not call yourself Indian? and instead associate yourself with other nationalities? without any "real verifiable proof?"
Basically jat are a weird people, filled with inferiority complex, are very jealous of other jats achievements in general (probably in their blood), lack businesss acumen, lag academically, and still damn average in monetary terms inspite of occupying the most fertile lands in India. Accept this.
 
Dear Pradeep:
I support your contention regarding the fools' paradise being created by some self styled historians on this site and i have expressed my concern regarding this in an earlier post; this seems like a hidden "brahminical" direction into which the Jats are cornering themselves.
Also this site has a plethora of sympathisers of the right wing (BJP/RSS) who simply crowd out the genuine concerns of some apolitical and committed members.
I want to ask these right wing sympathisers the status Brahmin has accorded to the hardworking, honest (not so honest in cities) Jats; plain and simple we are Shudras in the varna system which is crafted by the pen of the Brahmin. Any concerns about the possible role of Jats in the vision of the Brahmin? These people have a false sense of our immediate history and are steering us into a hopeless position where our religious affiliation takes precedence over other unique virtues we have.
I agree with the fact that the way some immediate relatives behave with you could be primitive and insensitive; but i must say that me and my family have received unprecedented support from some members on this site which has more than compensated the deficiencies i have felt.
I think you can filter the crap here and still make good use of this resource.
Best Wishes, Anmol.
 
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thought jats dont have a inferiority complex...hooda sahab this is a discussion forum...and not a dismissal forum...i agree to your certain points but the points you made in your post that we lack business acumen etc etc...historically we have been soldiers and farmers...thats what we do best...i think you have a inferiroty complex and please dont keep the whole jat community in that category
 
Freedom to express is what this forum provides. Again everyone is free to choose what he /she wants to believe in.

Irrespective of their beliefs most Jats are fairly proud and confident of their ownself and ancestory. Thats the real reason behind trying to dig out history. Possibly all could not be true.

But I have yet to read a post on the forum that justifies Brahminical order.
 
Dear Pradeep,

First of all, please do not belittle the valueable work being done by Anil Chaudhary and other members on researching the true jat history and genetic and social similarities of jats with other people. You may not wish to subscribe to the results or direction of this research, but atleast do not get so opinionated on this.


It may surprise you that most europeans, north americans, north-indians and mid-eastern people carry the same y-chromosome (M89). You can find more information here (https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html)

You are most welcome to enter your convictions and thoughts on this forum, but your kind of outburst was unwarranted. Could you provide any "real verifiable proof" about the things that you said about Jat people and enlighten the members?

Mandeep
 
Just take a good look in the mirror. Jats are not a homogenous group of people. They are not a race like the caucasians or africans.
What makes some of you gladly associate yourself with israelis(jews) or portugese? Just because 2 names sound similar does not mean dahiya=israeli or tomar=portugese. There is some sort of inferiority complex at work here.
 
parda said:
Just take a good look in the mirror. Jats are not a homogenous group of people. They are not a race like the caucasians or africans.
What makes some of you gladly associate yourself with israelis(jews) or portugese? Just because 2 names sound similar does not mean dahiya=israeli or tomar=portugese. There is some sort of inferiority complex at work here.
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Or it may be a feeling of Superiority.
 
jat conections in Sahara

The fact that the Thracians were Dacians(jats) ­ Dio Cassius say it too ­ and that the Dacians, the Getae, the Ramans,the Schitians,the Besisns (antiquity's metallurgists) were part of the same Thraco - Dacian family are no longer a secret to anybody.
Less known, however, is their migration boom, the "swarming" of the iranian warriors in the ancient world. Asia Minor was populated by the Ramantes (the fortress Ramah ­ where Herod sacrificed 14,000 small children is evoked in the Bible too: "A voice is heard in Ramah,/ weeping and great mourning" ­ Matthew, chap. II, 17), or by the Trojan Ramantes.The ancient Egyptian writings recall the arrival, in Asia Minor, around the year 1250 B.C., of a people whose aim was the conquest of Egypt. They finally conquered the north of Africa, area that covers today most of the Sahara Desert.
A ancient mosaic from Sahara represents a white young Caucasian torn apart by a leopard. Two other victims, their hands and legs tied up, are awaiting their turn. These prisoners with rosy - golden skin and long, straight hair, aquiline noses and short beards were identified as Garamantes, a people who ruled over Fezzan, part of the Sahara Desert lying north of the Hoggar Mountains.
Who these Garamantes were is still one of the biggest mysteries of Sahara. Herodotus, in the middle of the 5th century B.C., called them a great nation. In Sahara still exist several cliffs by the Garamantes.
Some identify the Garamantes with "the Sea People" (as Ramses III called them).
What happened to the Garamantes ­ the white people who once controlled Sahara ­ is hard to say. Some consider that the Tuaregs from Hoggar and Air Mountains are their descendants. This theory is neither fully accepted nor rejected.Until the end of the 19th century the Tuaregs were under French administration, and were called the "Lords of the desert," as they were the unquestionable rulers of the caravans. They are completely different from the other people of the desert.They are tall and have copper-colored faces, while the Berbers (the Arabs) have darker skin and are much shorter.
The Tuaregs have other characteristics too: they have preserved their language, Tamash - Eq (could this have any connection to the old Vedic god ­ Tamash? see also Tamash - Fala, near Buzau,Romania) and their specific writing ­ Tifinagh ­which they can no longer read.
The Maurs from Sahara,the Maurya dinasty from India,the Maurogets(black gets) from south Romania(in the medieval time south of Romania stil was name Black Vallahia) are more conected tehn we tink.
 
hey pradeep
mind ur tongue n mind!
if aint a JAt enough, why ur here n what do u wanna show
chorre, tu hamari unity or intigrity ko na todd sakta, eib baag ja yahan se nahin to mara jawega!
A jat is a jat is a jat n we all r proud to be one if ur not disappear or u'll be kicked out :mad:
rock on
Jit
 
If it was superiority complex, it is not based on reality. Just think how jats had haggled with central government to get SC status in rajasthan. How many jats are "really prosperous?" How many really help out other jats? Just showing up for meetings and having photo sessions is not enough. Jats(both men and ladies) in general are very jealous of achievements of other jats. Generally they will be nicer to non-jats then to jats. Is jat kaum mein ekta nahee jaab tak sacahi ka seedha samanna na kar sakee. Meethi meethi jooti baateen banaee see kya milega? accha ho kamajoree maan leee aur sudhar leee individually. Otherwise keep on cooking up stuff and associate with people(like jews) who don't give a damn about it.
 
hooda sahab....actually just a couple of questions....how many jats have you helped or want to help?....and you are also saying that unlike other jats you are not jealous of other jats?....well actually you are again talking about the stereotypes associated with our community....as far as SC status is concerned....it is was about the Opressed Class and that is true as far as education and job opportunities is concerned...and I am not clear that anyone here is trying to associate with jewish community....u r obviously very passionate about your view points which is great and makes you a great member of this community
 
Dear Upender
I dont understand why are you so much aggresive. Regarding Israeli connection may be there. we are more toward middle east asian type in our outlook. I am here in north america and so many times middle east people ask me about my country, when i reply back they always say that i was thinking you are from middle east asia. well if you are talking about skin colour if you have ever studied biology, than its depend upon melanin pigment in skin which depend on sunlight. In my opinion we are more closer to middle east asians rather than europeans. Well dont be too much aggresive and dont call any body as stuipid, its a discussion form. you can also give you comments
 
Sukhbir Bhai...I think you might have posted your message addressed to the wrong person....I have not called anyone stupid or insulted anyone here....please read all my posts again for clarification
 
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It is better to meet and exchange ideas than criticize the whole world for the deficiencies. If the only aim is to talk ill of everybody then hidding in a godown will kill. Spread goodness and not the hatred is my take. Calling the pot black wont help.We should fear God.
 
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Randeep, i agree with you but as ratananmol says: I think you can filter the crap here and still make good use of this resource.
I cant think of better way to explain this in minimum words.

@jitendra: I also agree with mandeep but the thing randeep wants to point out is many people have general habit of associating Jats to some foreign race/culutre etc. Finding the true history of Jats is one thing and making unneccesary correspondence is another and not necessary. Please be aware that not everyone have same views. And afterall we agree to disagree, isn't it? :p No need to start swearing :)
 
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If it was superiority complex, it is not based on reality. Just think how jats had haggled with central government to get SC status in rajasthan. How many jats are "really prosperous?" How many really help out other jats? Just showing up for meetings and having photo sessions is not enough. Jats(both men and ladies) in general are very jealous of achievements of other jats. Generally they will be nicer to non-jats then to jats. Is jat kaum mein ekta nahee jaab tak sacahi ka seedha samanna na kar sakee. Meethi meethi jooti baateen banaee see kya milega? accha ho kamajoree maan leee aur sudhar leee individually. Otherwise keep on cooking up stuff and associate with people(like jews) who don't give a damn about it.
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The people searching the web and putting out stories about Dahiya -Israeli connection etc are not the ones who asked for reservations.
Still my personal opinion is that it speaks poorly of our self-respect to ask for reservations for the community that owns most of the land where they live. Others dont even have that land.
Other aspects that have been mentioned are traits, mostly acquired over the last couple of decades. They do show the community in poor light. But do not decide whether it should have only inferiority complex or superiority.
 
parda said:
If it was superiority complex, it is not based on reality. Just think how jats had haggled with central government to get SC status in rajasthan. How many jats are "really prosperous?" How many really help out other jats? Just showing up for meetings and having photo sessions is not enough. Jats(both men and ladies) in general are very jealous of achievements of other jats. Generally they will be nicer to non-jats then to jats. Is jat kaum mein ekta nahee jaab tak sacahi ka seedha samanna na kar sakee. Meethi meethi jooti baateen banaee see kya milega? accha ho kamajoree maan leee aur sudhar leee individually. Otherwise keep on cooking up stuff and associate with people(like jews) who don't give a damn about it.
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After reading all your posts during last 9 days of your membership and the present one, I am inclined to believe that its you who have some serious complex. I am even doubtful if your identity is real. Let us go through some of your observations in this post;

1. How many really help out other jats?: Before putting this question to others, will you please tell us as to how many Jats or non jats you have helped in your life ? Will you please tell us in what way you are a better human being than the Jats whom you are ridiculing in most of your posts so far?

2. Generally they will be nicer to non-jats then to jats.: Your this observation applies more on you than any other Jat here. Think of yourself first before you give lectures to others.

I would be keen to know about your personal and social achievements and your contributions to Jats' welfare.

Rajendra
 
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