Benazir Bhutto

[raj2rif]

Islamists will always be what they have been all through history and its no use wishing them differently. Its we what matters the most. Economic progress does not mean much if we don't have the strength and the will to defend us and annihilate the enemy. India was producing almost 40% of world goods even when British took us over. Each and every Indian has to understand the value of defence preparedness and will to strike enery very hard. If we have any knowledge of islamic history, all the media analysis are nothing new. We don't need all these self cl;aimed analysts to trell us what will these jihadist will do to the world. Nor we need some great astrologers to predict. Its only our strength and will to strike, which will save us. India will survive any nucl;ear attack, come what may. Our sheer number is also our strength in any nuclear war. Even if 200 million Indians survive, thats still good enough my friends. Let us manufacture atom bombs round the clock...

RK^2

Dear Rajendra Kumar Ji,

Actually, I am a little surprised to read your post. There are a few issues that I would like to concentrate. Please also correct me if my perception and understanding of your post is wrong.

The first issue is about the history. I was wondering if we could generalize a thing. A well-known and reputed family with chequred history can have a bad child. Similarly an indifferent family or a bad family can have a good child as well. If that were so, why there can’t be good people in Islam. Actually, fact is that there are a lot of good people in Islam as well as there are bad people in every religion that is practiced in the world. So, if historically, Islamic rulers have been bad that does not mean we can’t have good Islamic Ruler. With all its deficiencies (as perceived by other communities) Akbar and Aurangjeb can’t be equated. They both were part of the same dynasty. To me, it is the time factor that is very important. The bygone era is history; our future would be what we do in present. And if we spread hatred in the name of religion or any thing else, that is what we are going to reap, exactly as Pakistan is now feeling the heat of nurturing the terrorism.

There is no doubt about having a formidable defense. Development has to be protected. Defense is counter-productive since it uses the enormous resources those could be otherwise used for development. But as we call it, it is a necessary evil (if we call it in terms of economic drain it puts on the country’s economy) that developed nations must have.

In the era where every one is talking about development and improvement of economy, your proposal of making “Atom Bombs” round the clock comes to me as a disappointment. I personally expect the educated and elderly people of the community guiding the youth toward the development rather than giving them a message of hatred.

Sir, my post has been written in good faith and if it hurts you even a small bit, I extend my BIG apology in advance. My own perception is that we need to unite the communities and spread the message of love rather than hate, for then there would be no difference between the fundamentalists and us. To me every Muslim is not a Zihadi. We on this forum itself have discussed our beloved Ex President Dr. Abdul Kalam. In history we had “Kavi Rahim” and I don’t know if “Raskhan” was also a Muslim.

 

[rkumar]

Dear Rajendra Kumar Ji,

Actually, I am a little surprised to read your post. There are a few issues that I would like to concentrate. Please also correct me if my perception and understanding of your post is wrong.

The first issue is about the history. I was wondering if we could generalize a thing. A well-known and reputed family with chequred history can have a bad child. Similarly an indifferent family or a bad family can have a good child as well. If that were so, why there can’t be good people in Islam. Actually, fact is that there are a lot of good people in Islam as well as there are bad people in every religion that is practiced in the world. So, if historically, Islamic rulers have been bad that does not mean we can’t have good Islamic Ruler. With all its deficiencies (as perceived by other communities) Akbar and Aurangjeb can’t be equated. They both were part of the same dynasty. To me, it is the time factor that is very important. The bygone era is history; our future would be what we do in present. And if we spread hatred in the name of religion or any thing else, that is what we are going to reap, exactly as Pakistan is now feeling the heat of nurturing the terrorism.

There is no doubt about having a formidable defense. Development has to be protected. Defense is counter-productive since it uses the enormous resources those could be otherwise used for development. But as we call it, it is a necessary evil (if we call it in terms of economic drain it puts on the country’s economy) that developed nations must have.

In the era where every one is talking about development and improvement of economy, your proposal of making “Atom Bombs” round the clock comes to me as a disappointment. I personally expect the educated and elderly people of the community guiding the youth toward the development rather than giving them a message of hatred.

Sir, my post has been written in good faith and if it hurts you even a small bit, I extend my BIG apology in advance. My own perception is that we need to unite the communities and spread the message of love rather than hate, for then there would be no difference between the fundamentalists and us. To me every Muslim is not a Zihadi. We on this forum itself have discussed our beloved Ex President Dr. Abdul Kalam. In history we had “Kavi Rahim” and I don’t know if “Raskhan” was also a Muslim.

Tavathia Sahab,

Trust me I am not communal. Being good is not enough. Can these so called good muslims lead their community away from the path of violence ? Do we hear any significant efforts in muslim world against these hardcore jihadists? If we are percived as soft targets, Jihadist, Chinese or for that matter anyone will hit us. Development and defence have to go hand in hand. I agree, every muslim is not a Jihadi. But almost every muslim is mum to their activities. How amny experiments do we need to learn that we have been enslaved by almost anyone..

RK^2

 

[rkumar]

here is the link to an interesting article on Ms Bhutto;

http://www.business-standard.com/economy/storypage.php?leftnm=lmnu2&subLeft=3&autono=309469&tab=r

RK^2

 

[piush_tomar]

Good one

Thats really good..

i remember two of her most interesting wits with karan thapar...

karan thapar was the VP of cambridge n she the VP of oxford...there was an interuniversity debate on premarital sex and benazir was lenient on it...while she was winning it all the way, karan rang the bell (he was the moderator, PS: i would love to have such moderators. lol) and asked if she would like to practise what she preaches and the audi burst into a laughter...

benazir tilted her glasses, looked into his eyes and said: yes, but not with you... and had the bigger laugh


when rajiv visited her in islamabad, after a dinner when media people were waiting for her statement to come she retorted a rajiv-benazir marriage would be a solution to sub-continent's problems...(rajiv and benazir had been parelled keeping in view their political legacies and aspirations by media and political figures)

 

[devdahiya]

Whatever...She did not deserve this inhuman disposal from this planet.I felt sad and aggrieved at her barbaric assassination which only insensible people can justify.Any loss of human life in this manner is deplorable and worth a shame.

 

[shailendra]

shail the concern is not over her death, the concern is the manner of her death...i will give an upperhand to millitancy and again boost their spirit as the repercussions of WTO, tube and mumbai serial blasts...whatever the stature of a politician-- corrupt or honest...such assassins are too big a terror to be negated within the same country...as you can see what happened in other countries after WTO

Oh I agree; the manner of her death was without discussion a barbaric and inhuman one! I don't care who the main culprits could be or how macho they believe they are, and however Bhutto herself may be blamed for the turn of events; but meeting out death to any woman like this is totally a cowardly act!

But having said that I shall have to agree to disagree with you on the level of militancy getting any sort of boost- militancy is already on a huge high in the subcontinent, (and for that even the way our own security forces and intelligence services are unable to thwart terrorist acts within the country) and hardly need any furthur boost, when it's already on a major high…and this act in broad daylight in Pakistan, on a major political figure after all the red flags, only reinforces that same fact that we are living in dangerous times and while the western world may have woken up to the terrorism fact after 9/11 but our shores have already been infliterated by this evil since long and we continue to be on dangerous grounds!....

But anyways, if we are simply dissecting her death act, I will tell you one thing though- I find it very weird that for someone who was a marked politician, had escaped being blown up right when she had set foot in Pakistan… how could the security measures taken be so-so lax!!?!!...I mean, it's almost like a no-brainer and doesn't need rocket science to now look back and see that unfortunately she almost had it coming!
That whole Bhutto assassination issue by the way has been already debated to death (no pun intended) by now here in the US media and after listening in to all the experts; one can only shake their head in disbelief at the utter disregard by the Bhutto camp for all the visible signs of possible fatal assassination attempts!

 

[ashwal]

I agree to Rajendra Sir ,
We need to be really assertive in our handling totalitarian political system and supremicism of sharia preached/enforced by these radicals all over the world. Terrorism is just a more visible and vilont manifestation of the same .If not checked, it is going to threten the very democracy and secular values we are trying to protect.

>>> But almost every muslim is mum to their activities. How amny experiments do we need to learn that we have been enslaved by almost anyone..

Rightly said, it is like very well thought out act of omission ,even in west ( e.g US ) , where moderate muslims should be feeling very less threatned by radicals , you hardly find any strong criticism of such barbric act of terrorism.

You can have many examples to amply demonstrate this
1. Post 9/11 there has been more than 10,000 small/medium/large attacks by extremist all over the world.
2. Consistently all over the world in any Muslim Majority nation population of non-Muslims has decreased progressively.
3. Non-Muslims & Women have very limited rights rather treated as a second grade citizen.
4. In a non-Muslim majority nation, even a small district of Muslim Majority would take whole system for a ride China, Russia, Philipines , India , Thailand all facing religion driven seperatist vilont movements.
5. Treatment of Non-Muslim Religious places and ancient history ( if it non-Islamic ) is destroyed or never discussed and credited.


Idea is not to hate or attack anybody but to actively confront and protect our social & cultural values , democracy , freedom ...