Bhagwa terrorism- fact or myth

Recent rhetorics by Congress accusing BJP (RSS, Hindu-terrorism) of being anti-muslim ( curiously not labelled as anti-minority) are nothing but an effort to deflect public attention from grand-scams/theft/corruption charges on its government.

Rather than coming clean on colossal corruption that have come in to light in recent months, congress is flaring up the communal tensions by using its old and time tested "BJP is communal" formula. It sure does changes the direction of public attention.

I really wonder why Congress never talk about 1984 anti-Sikh riots, but quick to jump on BJP throat for 2002 anti-muslims riots. Congress's selective-amnesia is disturbing. Not a big fan of BJP's Hindutava ideology but Congress is even more communal and dangerous for this country.

The grand-old-fart Digvijay is playing 'Antulay' again. Moron is subtly hinting crazy conspiracy theories, conveniently ignoring the plethora of evidences piled up the Indian (and international) agencies.

Hundreds of 'encounters' happened this year (2 youth 'encountered' in Bangalore yesterday itself) but CBI is unleashed in Gujarat to 'probe' the alleged 'fake-encounter' of Shrobaudin (who, btw, had a colorful history of murder, extortion, robbery etc. in 3 states). Why? because he was a Muslim. In one swift step, Congress gave a message to Indian Muslim community, that Gujarat (and hence Narender Modi and hence BJP) murders innocent muslims. It is disgusting to see a national party stooping to these lows.
 
Spot on Sunil. Agree completely.
Not a big of BJP but at times, feel like BJP is better than Congress.

sunillathwal said:
Recent rhetorics by Congress accusing BJP (RSS, Hindu-terrorism) of being anti-muslim ( curiously not labelled as anti-minority) are nothing but an effort to deflect public attention from grand-scams/theft/corruption charges on its government.

Rather than coming clean on colossal corruption that have come in to light in recent months, congress is flaring up the communal tensions by using its old and time tested "BJP is communal" formula. It sure does changes the direction of public attention.

I really wonder why Congress never talk about 1984 anti-Sikh riots, but quick to jump on BJP throat for 2002 anti-muslims riots. Congress's selective-amnesia is disturbing. Not a big fan of BJP's Hindutava ideology but Congress is even more communal and dangerous for this country.

The grand-old-fart Digvijay is playing 'Antulay' again. Moron is subtly hinting crazy conspiracy theories, conveniently ignoring the plethora of evidences piled up the Indian (and international) agencies.

Hundreds of 'encounters' happened this year (2 youth 'encountered' in Bangalore yesterday itself) but CBI is unleashed in Gujarat to 'probe' the alleged 'fake-encounter' of Shrobaudin (who, btw, had a colorful history of murder, extortion, robbery etc. in 3 states). Why? because he was a Muslim. In one swift step, Congress gave a message to Indian Muslim community, that Gujarat (and hence Narender Modi and hence BJP) murders innocent muslims. It is disgusting to see a national party stooping to these lows.
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jakhar77 said:
Spot on Sunil. Agree completely.
Not a big of BJP but at times, feel like BJP is better than Congress.
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तुम मुझे न चाहो तो कोई बात नहीं, तुम किसी और को चाहोगी तो मुश्किल होगी... was one of my favourite songs. Congress has never been my beloved but I could never hide my hatred for BJP.
BJP and Congress both are two sides of the same coin. I hardly find any substantial ideological difference between these two groups. In fact, neither of them has any ideology at all. While Gadkari is a clown, Rahul is a novice. In what way do you find BJP better than Congress, can you please elaborate?
 
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I actually wonder at times when I try to take a l'il interest in politics- What will BJP do if Ram Mandir is made? What will be their next agenda to brainwash people in name of religion? They might not even find provoking words to add in their speeches:confused:
vpsingh said:
BJP and Congress both are two sides of the same coin. I hardly find any substantial ideological difference between these two groups. In fact, neither of them has any ideology at all. While Gadkari is a clown, Rahul is a novice. In what way do you find BJP better than Congress, can you please elaborate?
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sunitahooda said:
I actually wonder at times when I try to take a l'il interest in politics- What will BJP do if Ram Mandir is made? What will be their next agenda to brainwash people in name of religion? They might not even find provoking words to add in their speeches:confused:
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They have no other agenda except Ram Mandir which, according to them, is a panacea for all the problems India is confronted with.
 
Thats my personal choice and I do not need to explain it.
Aap to aise kood pade post par jaise maine BJP ko thoda acha kah ke Congress ke saare vote le liye. :-) ;-)

Anyway, it was a side note only.

The topic was Hindu/Bhagwa terrorism.
1. Is there any thing like Hindu/Bhagwa terrorism?
2. If yes then what is the reason behind it?
3. If yes to 1 then do you agree that Hindu terrorism is more dangerous than LeT, Taliban and Al-Qaeda?

My post was not a BJP vs Congress issue, it included Sunil's whole post as well, so I think we should discuss whole posts and topics and not a side note/word/sentence, rest up to you people.

vpsingh said:
तुम मुझे न चाहो तो कोई बात नहीं, तुम किसी और को चाहोगी तो मुश्किल होगी... was one of my favourite songs. Congress has never been my beloved but I could never hide my hatred for BJP.
BJP and Congress both are two sides of the same coin. I hardly find any substantial ideological difference between these two groups. In fact, neither of them has any ideology at all. While Gadkari is a clown, Rahul is a novice. In what way do you find BJP better than Congress, can you please elaborate?
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jakhar77 said:
Thats my personal choice and I do not need to explain it.
Aap to aise kood pade post par jaise maine BJP ko thoda acha kah ke Congress ke saare vote le liye. :-) ;-)

Anyway, it was a side note only.
The topic was Hindu/Bhagwa terrorism.
Is there any thing like Hindu/Bhagwa terrorism?
If yes then what is the reason behind it?
If yes then do you agree that Hindu terrorism is more dangerous than LeT, Taliban and Al-Qaeda?

My post was not a BJP vs Congress issue, it included Sunil's whole post as well, so I think we should discuss whole posts and topics and not a side note, rest up to you people.
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तवा गर्म था तो मैंने सोचा एक रोटी मै भी सेक लूं. बात बीजेपी की जो आपने छेड़ी तो हमसे रहा न गया, यूँ ही बात से बात निकलती गई और फ़साना बनता चला गया. खैर आपको पसंद नहीं आई तो कोई बात नहीं.

Well, gentleman you are free to have your individual choice and no one can force you to give any reason. I respect your freedom and point taken.

I have already given my take on the relevant topic under discussion. In fact I was the first to react to this thread. Please read my reaction on post No. 2 of this thread where I have already termed Rahul's statement as 'highly irresponsible'. I think you have not read the thread from the beginning. You may read it now.
 
vpsingh said:
They have no other agenda except Ram Mandir which, according to them, is a panacea for all the problems India is confronted with.
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Sir, the biggest naivety is to always bracket BJP with Ram Mandir etc. It has been established beyond doubt that all BJP ruled states are far better governed. All state, congress governments are in place due to votebank politics or friction, vote devision in opposition ranks and not because that they really performed. All non Congress CMs (BJPs, NAveen Patnaik, Nitish, NDA) are the frontrunner on development agenda : Is it a mere coincidence? Don't you think that BJP is certainly different from Congress??

Now when BJP was in power, did you see any accelerated proliferation of so called alegged Bhagwa Atankwad..? NO, right?

So, Bhagwa atankwad, if any, is just a group of disillusioned fringe elements with no social backing whatsoever..

& yes coming to Rahul, less one writes the better it is, that is sure indiaction of his intellectual bancruptcy and knowledge about India.
 
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sunitahooda said:
I actually wonder at times when I try to take a l'il interest in politics- What will BJP do if Ram Mandir is made? What will be their next agenda to brainwash people in name of religion? They might not even find provoking words to add in their speeches:confused:
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You are wondering for future with if and buts......i actually wonders on Past, what congress actually did.
 
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QUOTE=vikasgulia;258623]Sir, the biggest naivety is to always bracket BJP with Ram Mandir etc. It has been established beyond doubt that all BJP ruled states are far better governed. All state, congress governments are in place due to votebank politics or friction, vote devision in opposition ranks and not because that they really performed. All non Congress CMs (BJPs, NAveen Patnaik, Nitish, NDA) are the frontrunner on development agenda : Is it a mere coincidence? Don't you think that BJP is certainly different from Congress??

Now when BJP was in power, did you see any accelerated proliferation of so called alegged Bhagwa Atankwad..? NO, right?

So, Bhagwa atankwad, if any, is just a group of disillusioned fringe elements with no social backing whatsoever..

& yes coming to Rahul, less one writes the better it is, that is sure indiaction of his intellectual bancruptcy and knowledge about India.[/QUOTE
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Mandir is their main election plank and life line and it is not naive to bracket BJP with this issue. As far as progress in BJP ruled States is concerned (MP, Karnataka etc.), it is just a continuation of the ongoing progress. Their Government in Karnataka is already facing charges of corruption. Naveen and
Nitish Kumar are just allies. Bihar's success story can be attributed to Lalu's failure to deliver.
I agree that Bhagwa Atankwad can never be an anti-dote to the Muslim Fundamentalists/Extremists who have solid support from across the border. Therefore, to indulge in any kind of counter offensive by the Saffron Brigade is just a foolhardiness. let the State take on the terrorist groups as it is better equipped for such counter insurgency operations rather than a few laathi wielding untrained people.
Rahul's statement smacks of his naivety and inexperience in politics.
 
vpsingh said:
They have no other agenda except Ram Mandir which, according to them, is a panacea for all the problems India is confronted with.
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I think it is more of an albatross around their neck. If they give it up, they face the hardliners' wrath from within. If they take it up, they lose the moderate face espoused by Vajpayee. So they are in a perennial confusion on what to do with it.

The mandir issue was always there since independence. BJP picked it up in a big way only very late in 1990s after Mandal was unleashed by VP Singh. In fact, Rajiv did the shilanyas in Ayodhya in late 80s. It was just Advani's political strategy to develop a pan-Hindu consciousness to counter the caste-centric appeal of Mandal and Congress' TINA (There is no alternative) factor. The strategy paid off as it struck a chord with a reasonable section (though not majority) of Hindus that were sick of Congress' minority appeasement. But BJP realised that it could not grow beyond a point with that agenda. Apart from the minorities who'd never vote for it, even a large section of Hindus would have no truck with any sort of fundamentalism. Hence, Vajpayee's leadership who had no active involvement whatsoever with the Ramjanmabhoomi movement. Why else would Advani who had firm control over the party voluntarily give the leadership to Vajpayee? And he was the architect behind rath yatra- yet never ever did he go back to his original radical position- "kasam ram ki khaate hain mandir wahin banaayenge". On the contrary, he called it the saddest day of his life. I think there has been an obvious attempt to go beyond the mandir to the extent they can. Hopefully they can give up all sorts of divisive agenda someday.
 
VP Ji,
I have read your comment and let me tell you that I am the one who created this new thread with Samar's post which was posted in another thread, you may refer to my 1st post in this thread (3rd post of the thread).
I must say that you at least have one quality to become a politician. Your statement (1st post in this thread by you) uses the words same as a politician chooses to say something without saying anything. Good luck! :)
There were some questions in my post/s. It was not a thread on what Rahul Gandhi said, It was the concept which is being floated by Congress. The concept of "Bhagwa Aatankwad". Nobody talks about "Hara Aatankwad", did congress said anything like this after Parliament attack, 26/11 and many more. Even they do not call it "Islamic Aatankwad".

vpsingh said:
तवा गर्म था तो मैंने सोचा एक रोटी मै भी सेक लूं. बात बीजेपी की जो आपने छेड़ी तो हमसे रहा न गया, यूँ ही बात से बात निकलती गई और फ़साना बनता चला गया. खैर आपको पसंद नहीं आई तो कोई बात नहीं.

Well, gentleman you are free to have your individual choice and no one can force you to give any reason. I respect your freedom and point taken.

I have already given my take on the relevant topic under discussion. In fact I was the first to react to this thread. Please read my reaction on post No. 2 of this thread where I have already termed Rahul's statement as 'highly irresponsible'. I think you have not read the thread from the beginning. You may read it now.
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jakhar77 said:
VP Ji,
I have read your comment and let me tell you that I am the one who created this new thread with Samar's post which was posted in another thread, you may refer to my 1st post in this thread (3rd post of the thread).
I must say that you at least have one quality to become a politician. Your statement (1st post in this thread by you) uses the words same as a politician chooses to say something without saying anything. Good luck! :)
There were some questions in my post/s. It was not a thread on what Rahul Gandhi said, It was the concept which is being floated by Congress. The concept of "Bhagwa Aatankwad". Nobody talks about "Hara Aatankwad", did congress said anything like this after Parliament attack, 26/11 and many more. Even they do not call it "Islamic Aatankwad".
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Jakhar ji, to be more precise I reply the points raised by you in your initial post ad seriatim without mincing the words like politicians.


1. Is there any thing like Hindu/Bhagwa terrorism? :

Ans: Yes, traces have been found but on a minuscule level if compared to the activities of other terrorist organizations which are, of course, much bigger threat. Only some fringe groups of BJP are active in this direction. But it is not the way forward to counter other terrorist groups. It will only worsen the situation. Let the State do its duty in a systematic manner as it is better equipped than lathi wielding crowd with a few crude bombs. If the State fails to do this duty, people have a tool in their hands to replace erring regime by voting system.

 2. If yes then what is the reason behind it?

Ans: Frustration of gullible and innocent masses exploited by a handful of self-seeking politicians by fomenting the religious feelings.
 3. If yes to 1 then do you agree that Hindu terrorism is more dangerous than LeT, Taliban and Al-Qaeda?

Ans : There is nothing like Hindu terrorism as Hindus have never been terrorists. They are peace loving people. Undoubtedly, LeT and Al-Queda are far more dangerous for India than the home grown fringe groups of saffron colour.
 
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सीताराम भाई
मालेगांव बम धमाको की सूत्रधार, साध्वी प्रज्ञा भगवां पहनती है और गुजरात में किसी हिन्दू संगठन से जी हुई हैं !
अजमेर बम धमको में शामिल लोगों का ताल्लुक राष्ट्रिय सवयम सेवक संघ से रहा है !श्री राम सेना नामक हिन्दू संघठन, और बजरंग दल के लोग भी कुछ अन्य गतिविधियों में संलिप्त पाए गए हैं!
अब आप ही बताइए, कोन ज्यादा निंदनीय है, हिन्दू धर्म और उसके नायकों का गलत इस्तेमाल कर रहे वो लोग हैं या राहुल गाँधी सरीखे नौसिखिये राजनीतिज्ञ जो शायद इसका कुछ राजनैतिक फायदा उठाना चाहते हों ! निर्ही और बेकसूर लोगों को निशाना बनाने वाले, चाहे वो मस्लिम आतंकवादी हो या हिन्दू आतंकवादी, सब बराबर हैं, धर्म का गलत इश्तेमाल करते हैं, घोर निंदनीय हैं!
उपेंदर भाई
आप जैसे कवि हृदय लोग भी अगर हिंसा की वकालत करंगे तब कैसे चलेगा !
आपको तो उन पथभ्रष्ट लोगों या उनसे सहानुभूति रखन वाले हमारे भाइयों को कुछ ऐसा सन्देश देना चाहिए :

देखो ऐ दीवानों तुम ये काम न करो, राम का नाम बदनाम न करो, बदनाम न करो!
देखो ....
राम को समझो, कृषण को जानो,
नींद से जागो ओ मस्तानो
जीत लो मन को, पढ़ कर गीता
मन ही हारा, तो क्या जीता, तो क्या जीता !
जीवन को नशे (आतंकी उन्माद) का गुलाम न करो !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8RwuRQySg

खुश रहो!
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spdeshwal said:
आपको तो उन पथभ्रष्ट लोगों या उनसे सहानुभूति रखन वाले हमारे भाइयों को कुछ ऐसा सन्देश देना चाहिए :

देखो ऐ दीवानों तुम ये काम न करो, राम का नाम बदनाम न करो, बदनाम न करो!
देखो ....
राम को समझो, कृषण को जानो,
नींद से जागो ओ मस्तानो
जीत लो मन को, पढ़ कर गीता
मन ही हारा, तो क्या जीता, तो क्या जीता !
जीवन को नशे (आतंकी उन्माद) का गुलाम न करो !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8RwuRQySg

खुश रहो!
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Deshwal uncleji, you shared a really good song. Bhatke hue logo ko seedhe raste par lane ke liye gaya gya ye geet vastav me marmsparshi hai.

Appki is baat se mai puri trah sahmat hu ki atankvaad ka koi rang nahi hota. Sirf rajneetik rotiya senki ja rahi hai rang ke naam par.
 
Spdeshwalji

mera sirf ishara gandhi pariwar ki oar tha. Rahul gandhi ki taraf tha. Congress bjp aur party ek jaise hi hain.
Muslim ko alag hona tha ho gaye unhone apna alag pakistan banaya m.k.ganghi ne help kardi. Abb hamare hindustan me hame to chain se rahne dena chahiye.
Ek shadhvi par aarop lagne ka matlab yeh nahi hota ki pure hindu aatanki hain.
 
jakhar77 said:
VP Ji,
Thank you, you have proved that Hindus are terrorists. A great achievement.
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No no..Jakhar ji. I think you mistook my updates. The idea was just to help the readers to keep themselves abreast of the latest developments on this subject. There is absolutely no intention to prove anything here.

But one thing we can all agree is that terrorism of any shade is a heinous crime against humanity.
 
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