Bhagwa terrorism- fact or myth

[singhvp]

VP Ji,
Thank you, you have proved that Hindus are terrorists. A great achievement.

Jakhar ji this is a serious allegation, do you know? Have I added anything from my side?

I have just posted the newspapers clippings which are very much relevant to the thread under discussion.

Please revisit your original post and see your query No. 2. What does that mean?

If you do not want people to offer any comment on your thread, please let us know.

 

[singhvp]

VP Ji,
Thank you, you have proved that Hindus are terrorists. A great achievement.

A handful of fanatics do not represent the entire Hindu race. I have already said, a real Hindu can never be a terrorist because Hinduism has always preached peace. These people in the news have brought a bad name to the Hindu religion, if the reported allegations are true.

 

[jagdeepchd]

जाखङ भाई सीधा-सीधा बता दे नै के कहना चाहवे सै ...कूणसी थरेड अर्र कूणसी पोस्ट ​

VP Ji,
I have read your comment and let me tell you that I am the one who created this new thread with Samar's post which was posted in another thread, you may refer to my 1st post in this thread (3rd post of the thread).
I must say that you at least have one quality to become a politician. Your statement (1st post in this thread by you) uses the words same as a politician chooses to say something without saying anything. Good luck!
There were some questions in my post/s. It was not a thread on what Rahul Gandhi said, It was the concept which is being floated by Congress. The concept of "Bhagwa Aatankwad". Nobody talks about "Hara Aatankwad", did congress said anything like this after Parliament attack, 26/11 and many more. Even they do not call it "Islamic Aatankwad".

 

[jagdeepchd]

VP Ji,
Thank you, you have proved that Hindus are terrorists. A great achievement.

Great achievement by whom ?? Hindus or VP Singh ji, aur prove bhi ho gaya ?? Jhakhar bhai ghane tavla faisla kar diya

 

[narendersingh]

A handful of fanatics do not represent the entire Hindu race. I have already said, a real Hindu can never be a terrorist because Hinduism has always preached peace. These people in the news have brought a bad name to the Hindu religion, if the reported allegations are true.

Remember the MARD movie dialogue of Prem Chopra- Hamara Aadha khoon Hindustani hai baaki kaa aadha khun to pure .......Pure Hindu ideology can't exist.

It has changed with time.Remember time is the best healer and preacher.

 

[deepika]

VP Singhjee i second you...Indeed a bunch of people are setting wrong example of Hinduism...doing wrong things in the name of "Dharma" is a shame...for example leave aside those crooks even the well known sants are no less than terrorists who are duping the public in the name of Dharma....they preach the public to get out of "moh maya" but are busy making millions and are getting all luxuries in life.How could someone preach of Dharma when one is not following the path himself?
What i have understood of "Bhagva Aatankwaad" is terror in a saints robe.....so it refers to the those people who wear bhagva robes but are not following the path which belongs to our religion in real.Too be precise wearing such clothes doesn't make a person religious ,Dharma is an outcome of Karma...bure karam karne wale ko hum dharmik nahi bula sakte

A handful of fanatics do not represent the entire Hindu race. I have already said, a real Hindu can never be a terrorist because Hinduism has always preached peace. These people in the news have brought a bad name to the Hindu religion, if the reported allegations are true.

 

[saluram]

हिन्दुओं को आतंकी कहने वालों को अभी यह पता नहीं चला हैं की शायद देश में कितने हिन्दू हैं और वे क्या कर सकते हैं...
दोस्तों एक लक्ष्य के साथ आगे बढ़ो और धर्म को बदनाम करने वालों का नामोनिशान मिटा दो भले ही वो कांग्रेस से हो या बीजेपी से..........
वीपीसिंह जी हिन्दू कभी आतंकी न तो थे और उन्होंने कभी कोई गलत नहीं किया यदि कहीं आप को कभी भी ऐसा लगा तो उसको साबित करें...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32JMMNNq_Y आगे बढ़ो.

 

[sanjaymalik]

Spot on Sunil. Agree completely.
Not a big of BJP but at times, feel like BJP is better than Congress.

this is only the so called Bagwa terirism by (RSS, other Hindu group ) who are working in deep area of India, like Orissa, Bastar etc to preach and spread our religious. This is the common practice of Congress to divide and spit venom against Hinduism for getting vote and support from Muslim community otherwise now the senrio is totally changing these missinaries not only spoiling our culture and religion but also spreading christainity at a large scale by funding ( scholarship etc on monthly basis) to weaker section of society for conversion etc.

If the same thing will be going onthen there will be no Hinduism mostly in Northen India. People are spending and celibrating X-mas and new Year more than Dewali and Holi just to show the modernity. what this ******

 

[singhvp]

हिन्दुओं को आतंकी कहने वालों को अभी यह पता नहीं चला हैं की शायद देश में कितने हिन्दू हैं और वे क्या कर सकते हैं...
दोस्तों एक लक्ष्य के साथ आगे बढ़ो और धर्म को बदनाम करने वालों का नामोनिशान मिटा दो भले ही वो कांग्रेस से हो या बीजेपी से..........
वीपीसिंह जी हिन्दू कभी आतंकी न तो थे और उन्होंने कभी कोई गलत नहीं किया यदि कहीं आप को कभी भी ऐसा लगा तो उसको साबित करें...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32jmmnnq_y आगे बढ़ो.

पहले ठीक से पढ़ लिया कर.

मैंने कहाँ लिखा हुआ है कि हिन्दू आतंकवादी हैं.
झूठा इल्जाम लगाने से पहले थोडा सोच लिया कर .
जाके मीडिया को समझा कि वो ऐसी ख़बरें न छापे.

हिम्मत है तो जाके मीडिया के खिलाफ मानहानि का दावा कर दे की ये झूठ क्यों बोल रहे हैं
तेरे हिसाब से जो बजरंग दल, rss और बीजेपी से सम्बद्ध नहीं वो हिन्दू नहीं है

Please do not attribute any false and weird comment to me in future.

 

[sanjaymalik]

this is only the so called Bagwa terirism by (RSS, other Hindu group ) who are working in deep area of India, like Orissa, Bastar etc to preach and spread our religious. This is the common practice of Congress to divide and spit venom against Hinduism for getting vote and support from Muslim community otherwise now the senrio is totally changing these missinaries not only spoiling our culture and religion but also spreading christainity at a large scale by funding ( scholarship etc on monthly basis) to weaker section of society for conversion etc.

If the same thing will be going onthen there will be no Hinduism mostly in Northen India. People are spending and celibrating X-mas and new Year more than Dewali and Holi just to show the modernity. what this ******

Further to my post yesterday i visited to two or three Malls there is Huge amont spending for decoration for X-max etc i am dead sure that all these thing are sponsered by these missionerises. but there is no people in our Hindu religion who can work and spend for this only can cheap comment in news papar like Rahul

 

[deepika]

When i was in Malaysia last year i saw spellbinding decorations in all the malls on diwali as well....Malaysia is a Muslim country but still you will see lavish celebrations right from chinese new year to christmas....and theres nothing wrong in celebrating all the possible festivals of the people who are living on mother earth.....your post actually made me wonder if i am a citizen of a nation where since childhood i have been listening "Hindu,Muslim,Sikh,Isai sab aapas me bhai bhai.
Does anyone remember how Hindu people in south killed Christians with cruelty decades ago? It has reminded me how some Hindus burnt a Christian and his sons in a car....Its a personal choice and decision to convert religion.Thats a different issue altogether.

Further to my post yesterday i visited to two or three Malls there is Huge amont spending for decoration for X-max etc i am dead sure that all these thing are sponsered by these missionerises. but there is no people in our Hindu religion who can work and spend for this only can cheap comment in news papar like Rahul

 

[deepika]

Saluram jee yaha sab hindu logo ki baat nahi ho rahi....har dhram me har tareeke ke log hote hai....bahot saal pehle jab dange hue the ek pregnant muslim lady ko kuch hindu logo ne kaat diya tha jabki hamare dharam me jeev hatya ko paap mana jata hai...Mujhe mere Hindu hone par garv hai par mai iss baat se bhi avgat hu ki sab ek jaise nahi hai....jis tarah ek haath ki sab ungliya ek samaan nahi hoti ussi tarah ek samuday ke sab log ek jaise ho yeh zaruri nahi hai

हिन्दुओं को आतंकी कहने वालों को अभी यह पता नहीं चला हैं की शायद देश में कितने हिन्दू हैं और वे क्या कर सकते हैं...
दोस्तों एक लक्ष्य के साथ आगे बढ़ो और धर्म को बदनाम करने वालों का नामोनिशान मिटा दो भले ही वो कांग्रेस से हो या बीजेपी से..........
वीपीसिंह जी हिन्दू कभी आतंकी न तो थे और उन्होंने कभी कोई गलत नहीं किया यदि कहीं आप को कभी भी ऐसा लगा तो उसको साबित करें...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32JMMNNq_Y आगे बढ़ो.

 

[singhvp]

When i was in Malaysia last year i saw spellbinding decorations in all the malls on diwali as well....Malaysia is a Muslim country but still you will see lavish celebrations right from chinese new year to christmas....and theres nothing wrong in celebrating all the possible festivals of the people who are living on mother earth.....your post actually made me wonder if i am a citizen of a nation where since childhood i have been listening "Hindu,Muslim,Sikh,Isai sab aapas me bhai bhai.
Does anyone remember how Hindu people in south killed Christians with cruelty decades ago? It has reminded me how some Hindus burnt a Christian and his sons in a car....Its a personal choice and decision to convert religion.Thats a different issue altogether.

That is very true. The Malaysian people celebrate Deepavali, Christmas and Eid with equal exuberance. Surprisingly, Deepavali is a public holiday declared by Government. Minor incidents of terrorism apart, overall scenario of communal harmony is excellent.

In fact a terrorist has no religion. Terrorism of all shades bring only a bad name to the respective religious groups. The fringe groups of any religion cannot take the entire religious community for a joy ride for fulfillment of their selfish political motives. Therefore, we should not tag the entire community, be it Hindu or Muslim with such fringe groups at both sides with narrow sectarian interests. No religion would ever preach violence. Thankfully, inspite of their best efforts to exploit the religious sentiments by playing religion/mandir/masjid card the fringe groups have never been successful to take entire Hindu/Muslim society on their bandwagon. It is an indication of people's awakening and realization that this issue will lead the society nowhere but national disintegration and a mindless bloodshed which can be a major obstacle in India's growing stature as global player.

 

[sanjaymalik]

When i was in Malaysia last year i saw spellbinding decorations in all the malls on diwali as well....Malaysia is a Muslim country but still you will see lavish celebrations right from chinese new year to christmas....and theres nothing wrong in celebrating all the possible festivals of the people who are living on mother earth.....your post actually made me wonder if i am a citizen of a nation where since childhood i have been listening "Hindu,Muslim,Sikh,Isai sab aapas me bhai bhai.
Does anyone remember how Hindu people in south killed Christians with cruelty decades ago? It has reminded me how some Hindus burnt a Christian and his sons in a car....Its a personal choice and decision to convert religion.Thats a different issue altogether.

i am not against celibration of any Festival whether is of any community but my point is that all this is funding and sponsered by christain Missionaries just to spread their religion.

I have never seen such decoration and huge spent of money on our Hindu Festivals like Diwali, Holi even in India.

 

[deepika]

Its their right to celebrate their festival....kitna paisa lagaaye woh bhi unki marzi hai...It shouldn't bother us if any of their community organization sposored it.agar hum log nahi karte holi aur diwali pe aisa toh yeh hamari galti hai na....to be very honest India se jyada achi diwali decoration aapko Malaysia aur Singapore me mil jaayegi ...actually India me saare paise log patakho pe laga dete hai....bas unke patakhe padosiyo ke patakho se jyada bajne chahiye....they dont care if its affecting Ozone layer terribly....they dont wonder how they are contributing to global warming...Iss saal maine ghar baith ke patakhe chalane walo ko unki bevkoofi pe bahot kosa hai (thats all i could do)

i am not against celibration of any Festival whether is of any community but my point is that all this is funding and sponsered by christain Missionaries just to spread their religion.

I have never seen such decoration and huge spent of money on our Hindu Festivals like Diwali, Holi even in India.

 

[samarkadian]

Tolerance and forgiving too easily, after a certain limit becomes useless virtues and further indicates the weakness and cowardice of a country,community,society and civilization.

Bhagwa or saffron terrorism as per modern terminology never existed elsewhere except Congress's dictionary and that too not in national interest but in pure appeasement for votes. That way Congress's gargantum corruption sagas can be labelled as 'Haath Ki Safai'.

As Sunil's post and WSJ article, clearly indicated that there is huge difference between radicalism and Terrorism, Congres's prominent leaders using it deliberately to keep away public and media's attention from CWG, Raja courruption case, Bhopal Gas Tragdey. But you know that Rahul Gandhi has already damaged his image with this stupid statement and proved his grooming in politics need to be reconsidered. His discerning approach to keep silent on critical issues makes him easy to hate and ignored.

It can be easily associated with genetical stupidity of the family. Remember his Father's statement about Indian Crops -- Bajre ka Ped kab Ugaya jata hai.. or something like that.

 

[deepika]

I feel bhagwa terrorism exists to some extent and ofcourse its been there for some selfish motives....people are making it a big issue but nobody bothered when a dirty politician like Raj Thakery provoked Maharashtrians to ill treat people from North India (Most of them were Hindus)...yeh toh woh baat ho gayi ki hamare logo ko maar lo peet lo woh koi baat nahi par hamare logo ke baare me kuch bolo mat

 

[jagmohan]

Dear All,

Though I wanted to reply in Hindi (my new found passion after I discovered how easy it is) but then this topic is too important to be ignored, therefore to express my thoughts properly I write in English.

I think too much importance is being given to Rahul’s statement. We don’t even know whether what the US Ambassador sent in cables was the complete truth or his understanding of what he heard. Let me put this statement in another way, I say “Terrorism, if indulged to by a majority community / religion in any nation would manifest itself to be far more disastrous than if indulged by a minority community”. I am sure no one will have any issue with this statement. What would happen to the country if the Hindu community takes to terrorism? We all know what will happen. All those who can’t comprehend must read history.

Our politicians, cutting across party lines, are very smart! They would keep the educated lot engaged in debate and discussion on issues like terrorism, Raja – Radia, 2G/3G, Kashmir etc. The poor are caught up in a mammoth struggle to just survive.

In any case, the policy of divide and rule would always be practiced by politicians. Why blame them when in reality we are a divided nation. The ever increasing gap in rich and poor would continue to spawn disruptive movements all across the country. This ‘Reservation Monster’ would further divide communities which were otherwise living together.

Today, due to unholy nexus between the Politicians – Bureaucrat – Business – Criminals, each pillar of democracy lies defamed and exposed to manipulation. The major political parties feel that a 1000 Crore scandal can be forgotten because we have pointed out to a 20000 Crore scandal. The common man doesn’t know what to do. Prices are where they are. It has now come to be widely accepted that this type of governance will take us nowhere. What is the use of having the most educated and respected economist in the world as a PM when the people he commands are thieves? Why can’t he act? Is he being blackmailed?

It is my firm belief that all the honest and hardworking people of this country feel that it is better to be under a foreign ruler who is just and fair than be independent in a democracy where the corrupt rule.

Best regards,

JS Malik

 

[singhvp]

It costs nothing to flaunt one’s masculinity on the computer keyboard while sitting in one’s living room in peace time but when it comes to reality check on war front, the war-mongers and bravehearts tremble like cowards. Democracy confers on us the right to criticize our political adversaries, but the criticism should not be just for the sake of criticism to gain some political and intellectual mileage among the peers. It carries more weight if accompanied by a sense of pragmatism or let us say in simple words “we must give the devil his due”.

Let us assume that the present regime has grossly failed to bust the deep-rooted corruption network rapidly spreading like cancer cells eating into the vitals of our socio-economic set-up and shaking the very foundation of the temple of our democracy. People’s perception about the government not being able to contain terrorism effectively may also be true to a great extent. Also, let us rubbish Rahul’s statement about saffron terrorism as naïve and unfounded. But the fact remains that India has been a victim of terror, no matter of what colour.

Now the core question is what is the solution? Is it possible for people to fight it out on their own while pushing the government machinery on the margins? Is it possible for the people of supposedly aggrieved religious group (let us say Hindus) to take on the deadly extremists, who are equipped with sophisticated weapons and logistical support from international organizations like ISI and Al-Qaeda. Is a lathi enough or people should be allowed to loot government armory and then wage a war against the people belonging to other religious groups(let us say Muslims or Christians) for their ethnic cleansing.? Can a country like ours afford to allow people to resort to this kind of mayhem?

In my assessment, terrorism is a problem which cannot be solved by any quick fix formula like resorting to ethnic cleansing of Muslims and Christians. It is easier said than done. Against people’s expectations, even the saffronized groups (much appreciated and eulogized here on JL by some friends) if brought to power will not be indulging in this stupidity. As they know that by doing so, they will be endangering the lives of almost an equal number of Indian Diaspora living abroad including in some Islamic countries. For example only in GCC countries the total number of Indian Diaspora is about 5.5 million. Apart from that we have a trade volume of 83 billion US Dollars per annum with these countries. Can we afford to antagonize these Muslim countries, indeed, without jeopardizing our economic interests which include our energy needs. Likewise, we have millions of NRI’s and PIOs in European (Christian dominated) countries with whom India has a trade of more than 80 billion Euro per annum. If we resort to burning of houses of Indian Christians and the churches in Kandhmal or any other part of India, it is going to be a major international issue as we will be antagonizing almost all the developed countries including America. I don’t thing we are in a comfortable position to do so without facing tough economic sanctions and retaliation by the radical Christian elements in those countries against Indian Diaspora.

If people feel that the present regime has failed to deliver, they have a choice to dislodge it and replace the same with the government of any colour of their choice which seems to be the only viable solution rather than galvanizing support for the ethnic cleansing. Nor the construction of any religious edifice can offer any solution. We rather need temples of quality education in poverty stricken areas at affordable price instead of wasting money on centres of superstition.

 

[saluram]

Saluram jee yaha sab hindu logo ki baat nahi ho rahi....har dhram me har tareeke ke log hote hai....bahot saal pehle jab dange hue the ek pregnant muslim lady ko kuch hindu logo ne kaat diya tha jabki hamare dharam me jeev hatya ko paap mana jata hai...Mujhe mere Hindu hone par garv hai par mai iss baat se bhi avgat hu ki sab ek jaise nahi hai....jis tarah ek haath ki sab ungliya ek samaan nahi hoti ussi tarah ek samuday ke sab log ek jaise ho yeh zaruri nahi hai

deepika ji jaisa example aapne diya hain vaise hi ek kisse me pichle dinon karnataka ke shimoga me kuchh muslim ladkone ek hindu ladki ke sath rape ke baad uske sabhi angon ko kaat diya tha to kya hum pure muslim samuday ko doshi kahenge mera to sirf yahi kehna tha ki rahul gandhi ne jo bhi kaha vo galat hain jo rahul jaise logon ki vakalat karne hain hum unk virodh jaari rakhenge.