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Life is mixed up. Life is not pure. I am wearing a watch made in Switzerland, a suit made in Italy and a tie most likely made in the USA or since most things in the USA are made in Korea… Life is mixed up; life is not pure. The search for purity is an attack on reality – It is the refusal to accept the complex tapestry that human cultural organisations are.

5) Personal responsibility. We are all responsible for our actions, however accidental they may appear. If I knock over the glassware or crockery at someone’s dining table, break some expensive pieces of their dinner set, I must take responsibility for my actions. Obviously on the surface it is a mistake but it is very likely born out of my envy of him and his wine glass or something, some hostile destructive intent is hidden in that somewhere. I can’t just brush it off by saying it was a mistake. It was a mistake but I committed that mistake and I have to be responsible for that mistake. The epileptic cannot get away without an apology for breaking somebody’s fine china. The epileptic needs to apologise. Even if it was out of his control, it was his action; it was his brain that messed the crockery up. As Freud says, the ego is first and foremost a bodily ego. Personal responsibility involves first and foremost an ownership of the body – its demands, its sensations, its agenda and its use and then the conscious and unconscious fantasies and drives emanating from the body and affecting the body in a dialectical feedback loop. One has to be responsible for one’s body, one has to be responsible for one’s sexual life, real or imagined, and one has to be responsible for one’s aggression, one’s hostile feelings – expressed, suppressed, conscious and unconscious. One is responsible for one’s life.

6) Total mortality. A mentally healthy person has to know that he will be dead – some people in the audience will not agree with this but that’s alright – complete and total mortality. We are all going to be dead. Nobody from this room is going to get out alive, nor is anyone from this world, unless there is a five million-year-old man hiding in Australia (we only think of Australia because it is kind of far away!), laughing at me. The fact is: all human beings die. The day we are born, on the day I was born a bullet was shot and that bullet is travelling in the air and is coming towards my forehead and I am merrily walking towards it and so are you, and so also are you. All human beings die but it is not enough to merely accept that.

Of course, those of you who are young, in your twenties and thirties, you don’t have to worry about such things yet – Consider yourselves immortal. You will find out that that’s not true anyway. But when you are 50 or 60 the clock begins to tick and you can hear the rumble of the footsteps of death, at 3 a.m., when the wind blows, you can hear it. But it is not enough to accept that one will be dead, that is not enough. What is more important is to accept that one will be really dead and finally dead and totally dead. There ain’t no coming back, either as a rat or a mouse or as a beautiful woman. (I would like to come back as a beautiful, gorgeous South Indian woman lawyer – that’s what I would like to be!). He says I’ll take you but that is not going to happen, it is not going to happen. I have to live with this fantasy; it is not going to take place. Once I die, I’m dead, and so are you.

And the idea of heaven and hell? When I was 12 my father asked me, do you believe in heaven and hell? When you’re 12 years old you’re awkward and you don’t really know what the hell is going on anyway so I mumbled something incomprehensible but he was in one of those moods, he said no, no, no, tell me, do you believe in heaven and hell, and I again tried to wiggle out of it by mumbling something silly so he gave me a stern lecture. He said look, these guys who made up the idea of heaven and hell, these are mostly people of the desert – Jesus, Moses, Muhammad. (They are all born within 300 miles of each other, and that’s also weird actually, I mean, suppose somebody said all psychoanalysts are born in Bangalore wouldn’t you be puzzled – Why?!) He said look, these were people from a hot climate; they were social reformers who were trying to do some good for people. And people don’t move unless you give ’em something and they had nothing to give ’em so they gave them a few fantasies. And because it was a hot climate they made heaven cold and hell hot. If Jesus, Moses or Muhammad had been born in Alaska, trust me, ladies and gentlemen, hell would be cold and heaven would be hot.

Think also of another strange thing – why is it that heaven is always up, nobody says you will go (down) to heaven. Why? Think about it. Why is heaven up? Because when we’re babies we spend at least one year lying supine, lying unable to stand up, and even when we stand up we stand up weakly after a little while and then our mother picks us up onto her lap or our father picks us up onto his lap. And when they carry us we are up, when they put us down we are down. That (down) is hell; this (up) is heaven. These ideas are based on psychological experiences.

But the idea of heaven and hell is a fantasy for god’s sake, just as reincarnation is a fantasy – they are not really going to happen. When you die you are dead. Your children will remember you fondly and your grandchildren will remember you vaguely, and your great grandchildren will forget about you. If you write a few books and give a few lectures perhaps a few more people will remember you. But sooner or later people will forget about you. Who reads Sophocles? (I heard someone in the back say who the hell is Sophocles – That’s exactly the point; that is exactly the point!) All of us start out and live with fantasies and may die as active memories. But we are dead, we are not coming back, please don’t harbour such illusions – there is total mortality.

1) Factual uncertainty 2) Conceptual complexity 3) Moral ambiguity 4) Cultural impurity 5) Personal responsibility 6) Total mortality. This package of factual uncertainty, conceptual complexity, moral ambiguity, cultural impurity, personal responsibility and total mortality, this is the suitcase, the heavy suitcase of sanity. It is a burden that a mentally healthy person has to carry. Fundamentalism relieves this burden.

We carry this burden because compensating factors are offered to us. We are offered safety, we are offered the pride of having an identity, we are offered the pride of having continuity in time, a sense of belonging, we are offered the factor of sexuality, we are offered the factor of efficacy, we are offered the honour of generativity – these compensating packages help us to bear the burden of sanity. When there is a threat, a real or manufactured threat to the compensating factors of safety, identity, continuity, individuality, efficacy and generativity, when this package is really threatened or a manufactured threat is made to this package then the reality becomes very, very difficult to bear and a person regresses into a simplistic world.

Now instead of uncertainty he is offered certainty. The fundamentalist leader says we know exactly what’s going to happen and what should happen. We know it, we can predict it, we can control it. Instead of complexity he is offered simplicity. He is told this thing means just this thing. Instead of moral ambiguity – things can be good, things can be bad, maybe this behaviour is sometimes good, maybe sometimes this behaviour is bad, he is offered moral clarity – this is right, this is wrong. You eat pork you go to hell, remember, you don’t eat pork, you won’t go to hell. What about the poor pig?

When my son was five years old he asked me about the story of Abraham and Isaac. I said, well, god was testing Abraham’s love for him so he said if you really love me you will sacrifice your son, this is your parichay, your initiation. (Even god carries out this sort of test, you know, he’s not certain about himself. He’s like a lover saying please tell me you love me, please, tell me you love me, if you love me you’ll make an omelette for me today. God is like that – an uncertain lover. He says please praise me, the Book begins by saying ‘Bismillah ar-rahman ar-rahim’ – In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful – I begin in his name, with praise to god. Why? He is the one writing the book and yet he’s praising himself, it doesn’t make sense to me!) Anyway, in answer to my son’s question about Abraham and Isaac I said, well, look, god was testing Abraham and said if you really love me you will kill your son. You sacrifice your son and I’ll know that you really love me. And Abraham said, what the hell, you know, I have to prove to god that I love him. So he put a blindfold on his eyes and took a sword and chopped off his son’s head but when he opened his eyes the son, Isaac was standing right there and a lamb had been cut and lay dead in his place – That’s what the origin of the festival Id-ul-Zuha or Bakri Id is. But I’m proud of what my five-year-old son said in response. He thought for a second and said, but that was not fair of god, what did the poor lamb do? What did the poor lamb do?

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Instead of uncertainty fundamentalism offers certainty, instead of complexity fundamentalism offers simplicity, instead of moral ambiguity fundamentalism offers moral clarity, they tell you what is exactly good and exactly what is bad. Instead of cultural impurity and hybridisation fundamentalism offers purity; hybridisation is the nature of life, not just life today, not just immigrations – patterns of life today, life has always been hybrid. When you make a samosa the outer crust comes from wheat which is grown in a field somewhere, the potatoes come from under the ground, the spice comes from another place, the ghee in which you fry it comes from somewhere else and a stainless steel pan is needed. A samosa a pure thing? Nobody can say that we sell pure samosas. (Now you’re probably thinking, how come this guy is talking about omelettes and samosas? – he must be hungry!)

Instead of complexity – simplicity, instead of uncertainty – certainty, instead of moral ambiguity – moral clarity, instead of impurity – purity. We are pure people. We are pure Hindus, we are pure Muslims, we are pure Jews, we are pure Christians. Keep others away from us; don’t let others mess this up. Don’t let the mlecchas come near us, we are pure Brahmins.

Then, instead of personal responsibility, of conduct, of life, where a person says I am responsible for what I am saying, doing, how I am behaving; my sex life, my hostile life, my greedy life, my financial life is my business and my responsibility. I take responsibility for what I am doing and what I have done to others and to myself. The fundamentalist says don’t worry, we will take over responsibility, we will show you how to kill Muslims, don’t worry. The fundamentalist takes over responsibility and says you are not responsible for your conduct, we are responsible. This relieves one of personal responsibility.

And finally of total mortality, which is the deepest dread that all human beings live with. Young people deny and need to deny, it’s good for them to deny that they are mortal. Fundamentalism promises rewards of immortality – you will go to heaven, you will get 72 virgins – I don’t know what one would do with 72 virgins (I mean, 72 virgins for god’s sake, I would rather take one or two non-virgins, frankly!). You will be born again, you’ll come back, and if you behave well you’ll come back as this or that kind of person. (Or as a German Shepherd whom Dr. Kakar will keep in his house and treat well and give good dog food too!) It’s not going to happen; it is not going to happen.

Fundamentalism, in a literal, narrow, ethnocentric and megalomanic manner takes a religious tract and interprets this in an extremely narrow, megalomanic and grandiose way, seeking to offer a world of simplicity, lack of personal responsibility, immortality, purity and simplicity. These are notions of children. This is how two-year-old and three-year-old children think. This is not how a grown-up, adult person thinks. Fundamentalism turns us from adults into children, turns us from individual units of flesh, psyche and spirit, thinking, pulsating, changing, constantly struggling with choices, decisions, tragedies, losses, mishaps, triumphs and victories – constantly in conflict, constantly in the inner Kurukshetra. Fundamentalism removes us from such war, from such complexity, from personal responsibility, from impurity, from handling looking death right up front in the eyes and then adopting to live in a more responsible manner.

Fundamentalism lulls us into a sleep of childhood, a sleep of simplicity but it is worse than childhood because a child is always questioning and attempting to come out of its innocence bit by bit. Fundamentalism is worse than childhood because it takes us backward, not forward. And with fundamentalism comes its twin sister, prejudice, and its evil brother called violence.

So what is the solution? If this is the pathology, what is the solution? The solutions reside in addressing the pathology. We have to make it possible for people to bear the burden of sanity. And how can we make people bear the burdens of sanity? – By offering them compensating factors, such as a feeling of safety. And if the feeling of un-safety is real, then we have to restore a feeling of safety. If the feeling of un-safety is manufactured for political purposes, then we have to teach, ignore and fight against it and inform people that this is a manufactured dread not a real dread.

There are people in New Jersey, people in Chicago and New York, extreme right wing Indians who believe that not only are the conversions to Christianity in India a truly horrible thing but they are also proceeding at such an alarming rate that soon Hinduism will disappear from India. That is a manufactured dread, that is entirely a manufactured dread and it has to be logically questioned by education and upfront dialogue in social forums. But we have to provide people with a feeling of safety, we have to provide a feeling of efficacy – people should have jobs, people should be able to do what they want to do and see the results of what they do.

Efficacy, safety, identity – everybody wants to know who they are and are proud of who they are. Suppose your name is Pradeep Saxena and I ask you who’s Pradeep, you say me; I ask you who’s Saxena, that’s your father. Identity has to do with our selves and our sense of belonging to some place. We have to make sure that people are able to maintain their identities and their identities are not threatened. If they have safety, if they have efficacy, if they have identity, if they have opportunities for sexual pleasure and if they have opportunities for generativity or passing on, cultivating, elaborating their myths, language, symbols and rituals and imparting them to the next Orphic generation in a safe, tender, protective and loving way.

If we can restore this package – safety, efficacy, identity, sexuality and generativity – when it is really threatened, or when there is a manufactured threat to it, if we can prove in dialogue, by political discourse, that there is no such threat, then this package can come alive. And when compensating factors are in place then human beings are able to bear the burdens of sanity. And although burdened with sanity they then live life in more peaceful ways – peace outside and peace inside. And when they have peace inside, this is a mixture, a product of post-burdened sense, post-mourning sense, post-realisation that life is complex, difficult, limited and hybrid. When they have an inner peace, and when they know that even this peace that we have is fragile, it comes and goes, then that peace anchors them more solidly in reality and takes them away from dreams, poisonous dreams and dangerous dreams especially.

They grow up, they can tolerate other people and they can tolerate differences. They can even learn from differences and enjoy differences. They know life is limited, they know life is complex; they know that there is no moral certainty. And it is when they live with this attitude that they do not require hate because they don’t hate themselves and they do not need to hate others. And when they don’t need to hate others, they do not need to idealise themselves. And when they do not need to idealise themselves and take this intravenous morphine that fundamentalism offers them then they walk out wide awake, open-armed and with a good and clean heart.

Thank you.

(Inaugural lecture at the Centre for Psychoanalytic Studies, University of Delhi. Dr. Salman Akhtar is an eminent psychoanalyst, an award-winning professor of Psychiatry, Jefferson Medical College, a lecturer at Harvard Medical School and a well known author and poet, and scholar in residence at the Interact Theatre Company, Philadelphia, USA).

http://www.sabrang.com/cc/archive/2005/sep05/perspective.html
 
धार्मिक कट्टरता गलत तो फिर धार्मिक भावना से खिलवाड़ जायज कैसे

कुमारेन्द्र सिंह सेंगर

अभिव्यक्ति की स्वतंत्रता पर फिर बंदूकों ने कब्ज़ा करने की कोशिश करते हुए कुछ लोगों के जीवन को शांत कर दिया. प्रथम दृष्टया हत्याकांड की किसी भी घटना की तरह इस घटना की भी भर्त्सना की जानी चाहिए, और ऐसा हो भी रहा है. समूचे विश्व से कार्टून के विरोध में पत्रकारों, कार्टूनिस्ट की हत्या की निंदा की जा रही है. इसके बाद भी कहीं कुछ ऐसा है जो समूचे घटनाक्रम को दूसरी तरह से देखने को प्रेरित करता है. इसके लिए बने हुए कार्टूनों को समझने की आवश्यकता है, उसके पीछे की मानसिकता को समझने की जरूरत है. इस्लामिक संगठनों का साफ तौर पर कहना है कि इन कार्टून के माध्यम से मुहम्मद साहब का मजाक बनाया गया है. अब इसी सन्दर्भ में प्रकाशित कार्टून को देखा जाये तो ऐसा प्रतीत भी होता है. यहाँ आकर सवाल खड़ा होता है कि क्या अभिव्यक्ति की स्वतंत्रता के नाम पर किसी की भी धार्मिक भावनाओं का मजाक बनाया जा सकता है? यहाँ समूचे घटनाक्रम को महज आतंकी हमले की नजर से देखने की आवश्यकता नहीं है.

. फ़्रांस की इस पत्रिका का विवादों से सम्बन्ध रहा है, इसके द्वारा किसी समय में ननों के व्यव्हार, उनकी जीवनशैली को लेकर भी कार्टून बनाये गए थे, जो पर्याप्त विवाद का कारण बने थे. अब जबकि अपने मजहबी कट्टरपन के लिए समूचे विश्व में कुख्यात माने जाने वाले इस्लामिक प्रतीक पर कार्टून बनाना पत्रिका को महंगा पड़ गया. यहाँ किसी भी तरह की धार्मिक भावनाओं से खिलवाड़ के सापेक्ष हत्याकांड को सही ठहराया जाने का मंतव्य नहीं है वरन ये दर्शाने की भावना है कि आखिर क्यों अभिव्यक्ति की स्वतंत्रता के नाम पर धार्मिक भावनाओं के साथ खिलवाड़ किया जाता है? वैश्विक स्तर पर ऐसा कोई पहली बार नहीं हो रहा है. संभवतः इस्लामिक धार्मिक कट्टरता के लिए ऐसा मौका बहुत अधिक बार नहीं आया और उनके द्वारा इसका उग्र, घातक विरोध दर्शा कर भविष्य के लिए भी ऐसे घटनाक्रमों को एक धमकी सी दे दी गई है. इसके उलट यदि देखा जाये तो हिन्दू धर्म को आये दिन लतियाये जाने के प्रकरण सामने आते रहते हैं. विरोध हुआ तो हुआ वर्ना सब समय के साथ अपने आप छिप जाता है, शांत हो जाता है. वैश्विक स्तर पर ही कभी पैंटी पर देवी-देवताओं की चित्रकारी, कभी चप्पलों पर धार्मिक प्रतीकों का प्राकशित किया जाना, कभी किसी मॉडल की नग्न देह किसी धार्मिक कृत्य का आधार बनती है तो कभी कोई कलाकार कला का नाम लेकर नग्न देवी-देवताओं को उकेर कर वैश्विक स्तर पर प्रसिद्धि पाने की कोशिश में लग जाता है.

. ये सामाजिक स्तर पर शोध का विषय है कि आखिर किसी भी रूप में अभिव्यक्ति के लिए मजहबी-धार्मिक भावनाओं को ही क्यों आधार बनाया जाता है? इधर फ़्रांस की पत्रिका पर हुए हमले पर रोना-गाना मचा हुआ है वहीं देश में धार्मिक भावनाओं के कारण ही करोड़ों का व्यापर कर चुकी फिल्म को सहजता से स्वीकार किया जा रहा है, उसे अभिव्यक्ति की स्वतंत्रता बताकर कई राज्यों में टैक्स-फ्री किया जा रहा है. धार्मिक भावनाओं से खेलने की प्रवृत्ति के पीछे के मनोविज्ञान को समझने की जरूरत है क्योंकि आधुनिक समाज जिस तेजी से विज्ञान की तरफ बढ़ रहा है उसी तेजी से वो धार्मिक कट्टरता की तरफ भी जा रहा है. समूचे विश्व में कट्टरता के दो ध्रुव अब स्पष्ट रूप से दिख रहे हैं, जिनमें वैज्ञानिक कट्टरता के रूप में पश्चिमी देशों को और धार्मिक कट्टरता के रूप में इस्लामिक देशों को सहजता से देखा जा सकता है. कट्टरता की इस जीवनशैली में यदि बहुत जल्दी ही नियंत्रण न लाया गया तो ये समूचे विश्व के लिए घातक सिद्ध होगा. भारत से बाहर निकलता दिखता इस्लामिक कट्टरपन इसका स्पष्ट संकेत है.
 
The media is full of followers of a particular community. These people are well polished educated lot who know pretty well how to show Hinduism in a negative light without making their ill-feelings towards it obvious. I consider any write-up or clarification by them inconsequential as being mere crocodile tears and nothing more. I would have appreciated if they would have stood up within their community and tried to reform their religion like Raja Ram Mohan Roy did for Hindus.

And let us not forget that almost all the terrorist attacks in the West were by well educated professionals. Hence, it is a very false notion that is being spread by the media that illiteracy is the reason for their taking up arms. The fact of the matter is that education or no education, religion for them comes first. It comes above everything else including above life and dignity for life.

I would have 110 percent watched PK had Amir Khan taken up even once the issue of reforms in his faith in Satyamev Jayte or PK. Instead, he like a devout muslim without questioning its relevance/reason/logic recently performed Haj and did all the activities which people of his faith have been doing for over a thousand years. But I think his logical reasoning is only limited to Hinduism which is the soft/easy target reason being that Hindus themselves abuse their own faith.
 
Maine bhi dekhi thi ye movie. Aisa to kuch nahi tha movie mei jo offensive ho Hindus ke liye. Isse to balki Hindu dharam mei jo andh vishvaas hota hai usse ujagar kiya gaya hai. khair ye baval jaydatar BJP aur Sangh ke logg macha ruhe hain.
 

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उनके हाथ में ak-47 या कलाश्निकोव है और आपके हाथ में सिर्फ लाठी, त्रिशूल और कुछ ज़ुमले i चिंगारी फेंकने, सिनेमाहाल तोड़ने और सोशल साइटस पर शिकवे शिकायत से कुछ नहीं होगा i अब तो अच्छे दिन आ चुके हैं , सरकार आपकी अपनी है, कर दीजिये हिसाब बराबर i
 
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For all those who think that the mass slaughter happening in ISIL and the massacres/butchering taking place across the world including France, Britan, Australia, Italy is the same as a few random stone throwing incidents and poster tearing in India, there is nothing with which one can reason with them.

Hindus are the worst people in the world.
Hindus invaded India and through sword converted the Muslims to Hindus through sword for centuries.
Hindus looted the places of worship of the Muslims for more than a thousand years.
Hindus raped and molested Muslim women for thousands of years.
Hindus established the various barbaric regimes for more than a thousand years in India including the Mughal dynasty.
Hindus follow the Shariah law which says there is only one God and no other and everyone will have to submit to them or else get killed.
Hindus are responsible for the terrorist attacks, recently in Paris, New York, London, Sydney, J&K, Chechnya, Indonesia, etc.

Hinduism is the worst religion. PK is an excellent film and should be nominated for the OSCARS.

I hope now the apologetic Hindus will be happy. They want to rewrite the history just as it has been written above.
 
Amit bhai, yeh jaan ke prasannata hui ki aapko picture achhi lagi aur aapne usse achhi picture hone ka certificate de diya.

Bhagwan kare aisi aur bhi picturein banne aur aapki prasannata badhti rahe!!

Maine bhi dekhi thi ye movie. Aisa to kuch nahi tha movie mei jo offensive ho Hindus ke liye. Isse to balki Hindu dharam mei jo andh vishvaas hota hai usse ujagar kiya gaya hai. khair ye baval jaydatar BJP aur Sangh ke logg macha ruhe hain.
 
For all those who think that the mass slaughter happening in ISIL and the massacres/butchering taking place across the world including France, Britan, Australia, Italy is the same as a few random stone throwing incidents and poster tearing in India, there is nothing with which one can reason with them.

Hindus are the worst people in the world.
Hindus invaded India and through sword converted the Muslims to Hindus through sword for centuries.
Hindus looted the places of worship of the Muslims for more than a thousand years.
Hindus raped and molested Muslim women for thousands of years.
Hindus established the various barbaric regimes for more than a thousand years in India including the Mughal dynasty.
Hindus follow the Shariah law which says there is only one God and no other and everyone will have to submit to them or else get killed.
Hindus are responsible for the terrorist attacks, recently in Paris, New York, London, Sydney, J&K, Chechnya, Indonesia, etc.

Hinduism is the worst religion. PK is an excellent film and should be nominated for the OSCARS.

I hope now the apologetic Hindus will be happy. They want to rewrite the history just as it has been written above.

What action would you like to suggest against those who are for freedom of expression including through films, cartoons, paintings etc.?
Please also enlighten us sir, what should we as a community do to annihilate Islamic extremism?
Is it Government's duty to curb extremism (Islamic or any other)or duty of the Jat community?
What kind of role would you like us to assume in the present scenario?
Shall we all start wearing saffron robes and start putting kumkum on our foreheads?
Can you check with the Government (which is of your choice) what action has it taken to wipe out Islamic extremism?

Sir, would be highly grateful for your counselling and kind guidance.
 
Amit bhai, yeh jaan ke prasannata hui ki aapko picture achhi lagi aur aapne usse achhi picture hone ka certificate de diya.

Bhagwan kare aisi aur bhi picturein banne aur aapki prasannata badhti rahe!!

Bhaisahab, mereko to kuch bhi offensive nahi laga movie mei. Ye movie oh my God ki tarj par bani hai jo ki andhvishvas ke upar se parda uthati hai. jaisa ki maine pehle bhi kaha tha. hume tolerant hona chahiye na ki intolerant. aur ye movie positive note par thi jisme Hindu dharam hi nahi balki doosre dharmo mei jo kuritiyan hain unhe ujagar kiya guya hai. mere khayal se aisi movie banti rehni chahiye.

Ek movie Narendra Dabholkar ke upar bhi banni chahiye jinhone samaj mei faile black magic aur superstition ko ujagar karne ke liye kaafi mehnat aur lagan se kaam kiya tha aur apni jindagi bhi gavayi issi ke upar. Is tarah ke logo se hi samaj ka kuch uddhar ho sakta hai nahi to is samaj mei Aasaraam, Rampal, Ram Rahim jaise kaafi log, janta ka fayda uthate rahenge aur unhe loot te rahenge.
 
Bhaisahab, mereko to kuch bhi offensive nahi laga movie mei. Ye movie oh my God ki tarj par bani hai jo ki andhvishvas ke upar se parda uthati hai. jaisa ki maine pehle bhi kaha tha. hume tolerant hona chahiye na ki intolerant. aur ye movie positive note par thi jisme Hindu dharam hi nahi balki doosre dharmo mei jo kuritiyan hain unhe ujagar kiya guya hai. mere khayal se aisi movie banti rehni chahiye.

Ek movie Narendra Dabholkar ke upar bhi banni chahiye jinhone samaj mei faile black magic aur superstition ko ujagar karne ke liye kaafi mehnat aur lagan se kaam kiya tha aur apni jindagi bhi gavayi issi ke upar. Is tarah ke logo se hi samaj ka kuch uddhar ho sakta hai nahi to is samaj mei Aasaraam, Rampal, Ram Rahim jaise kaafi log, janta ka fayda uthate rahenge aur unhe loot te rahenge.

Islam aur isai dharm ki konsi buraiyan ujagar ki hain?
Kya haj ke baare me kuch kaha ki ye waste of time hai?
Kya 5 baar masjid jaane ke liye kaha ki jo darta hai wo masjid jata hai/namaj padhta hai?
Kya dharm ke naam par kiye ja rahe khoon kharabe ke liye kaha ki ye galat hai?

Kya anpadh, masoom adivasiyon ko isasi dharm me convert karne ke baare me kaha ki ye galat hai? wo bhi jhuth dikhakar, I know people who worked in these areas, who say that these missionary people make wooden statue of Jesus and stone statue of Hindu gods, put them in river/pond and show that see, Hindu god has drowned but Jesus is floating.
 
Islam aur isai dharm ki konsi buraiyan ujagar ki hain?
Unke Kapdo par aur unke dharam ke thekedarro ki.
Kya haj ke baare me kuch kaha ki ye waste of time hai?
Aise to Amarnaath yatra/Vaishno Devi ke upar bhi kuch nahi bola
Kya 5 baar masjid jaane ke liye kaha ki jo darta hai wo masjid jata hai/namaj padhta hai?

Kya dharm ke naam par kiye ja rahe khoon kharabe ke liye kaha ki ye galat hai?
Iske upar to sab hi kehte hain aur ye to jagjahir hai
Kya anpadh, masoom adivasiyon ko isasi dharm me convert karne ke baare me kaha ki ye galat hai? wo bhi jhuth dikhakar, I know people who worked in these areas, who say that these missionary people make wooden statue of Jesus and stone statue of Hindu gods, put them in river/pond and show that see, Hindu god has drowned but Jesus is floating.
Bhaisahab, ye propaganda to har dharam mei hai. Hindu mei bhi aur doosre dharmo mei bhi hai

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aur aap isse kuch positive angle se bhi to dekho. aur pehle hume apne girebhaan mei bhi to jhankana chahiye.
 
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For all those who think that the mass slaughter happening in ISIL and the massacres/butchering taking place across the world including France, Britan, Australia, Italy is the same as a few random stone throwing incidents and poster tearing in India, there is nothing with which one can reason with them.

Hindus are the worst people in the world.
Hindus invaded India and through sword converted the Muslims to Hindus through sword for centuries.
Hindus looted the places of worship of the Muslims for more than a thousand years.
Hindus raped and molested Muslim women for thousands of years.
Hindus established the various barbaric regimes for more than a thousand years in India including the Mughal dynasty.
Hindus follow the Shariah law which says there is only one God and no other and everyone will have to submit to them or else get killed.
Hindus are responsible for the terrorist attacks, recently in Paris, New York, London, Sydney, J&K, Chechnya, Indonesia, etc.

Hinduism is the worst religion. PK is an excellent film and should be nominated for the OSCARS.

I hope now the apologetic Hindus will be happy. They want to rewrite the history just as it has been written above.
bhaisahab, don't be so angry. Hindus are best people in the world.
 
"Pk में सच्चाई ना होती तो ४०० करोड का कारोबार कैसे करती ?" pk के समर्थन म येें दलील करने वाले सेक्युलर सूवरों के मुंह पर ये झन्नाटेदार थप्पड़ कैसा रहेगा ?
Five million copies of Charlie Ebdo are out today in 14 languages with the "cartoon" on the front page. The previous quantity of the printed magazine was mere 60000.
 
पहलाज निहलानी सेंसर बोर्ड के नए अध्यक्ष बने हैं। अब हिन्दुओं पर मज़ाक उड़ाने वाली फ़िल्में नहीं बन सकेंगी मुल्लावुड अलियास उर्दूवुड अलियास बॉलीवुड में।
 
"Pk में सच्चाई ना होती तो ४०० करोड का कारोबार कैसे करती ?" pk के समर्थन म येें दलील करने वाले सेक्युलर सूवरों के मुंह पर ये झन्नाटेदार थप्पड़ कैसा रहेगा ?
Five million copies of Charlie Ebdo are out today in 14 languages with the "cartoon" on the front page. The previous quantity of the printed magazine was mere 60000.
ऐसे झन्नाटेदार थप्पड़ खाने मैं तो मज़ा आ रहा है, मारते रहिये।
 
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"Pk में सच्चाई ना होती तो ४०० करोड का कारोबार कैसे करती ?" pk के समर्थन म येें दलील करने वाले सेक्युलर सूवरों के मुंह पर ये झन्नाटेदार थप्पड़ कैसा रहेगा ?
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भाई राजपाल दुलार उर्फ़ मैसेंजर ऑफ़ गॉड,

सर, इस उम्र में थप्पड़ मुक्का और गाली गलौच आपको शायद शोभा नहीं देता I इस साइट पर आपको एक किल्ला जमीन मुफ्त में मिली हुई है इसका ये मतलब नहीं कि आप इसको कुरड़ी के लिए इस्तेमाल करोगे I इस पर प्यार मोहब्बत और भाईचारे के फूल पौधे उगाओ, ताकि माहौल में बहार आए I आपकी सरकार बणगी इसका यो मतलब नहीं कि आप उन सबका टेटवा दबाते रहोगे जो आपकी भगवां झंडी के आडम्बर और आपकी एजेंटगिरी के झांसे में नहीं आना चाहते I अभिव्यक्ति की स्वतंत्रता क्यों छीनना चाहते हैं आप, भगवन I हैरत होती है वेब-साइट के मालिक और मॉडरेटरआपको कैसे और क्यों बर्दाश्त कर रहे हैं I आपके प्रचार अभियान ने यहाँ भाईचारे की ऐसी तैसी कर रखी है I क्यों यो ज़ुल्म ढा राख्या सै खागड़, स्याणा-सोता, उम्र-दराज़ बुजुर्ग माणस होके इसा छोटापन क्यों तार राख्या सै I

Five million copies of Charlie Ebdo are out today in 14 languages with the "cartoon" on the front page. The previous quantity of the printed magazine was mere 60000

It is a welcome sign that the publishers could not be cowed down by bullets and they are determined to exercise their right to freedom of expression through cartoons (just the way producers of PK did).
 
Rajpal ji,

Very rightly said. A tight slap on the face of pseudo secularists.

However, its surprising to note that a few members take it personal when you write something about the movie or pseudo-secularists. It seems they would be more than happy to crush your voice because you raise issues which are contemporary and relevant and the issues rub their political ideologies. They espouse free speech, yet they would like to crush the voice of anyone who does not speak their language of appeasement. So much for the free speech.

I have till date not seen you personally attacking any member. But there are countless volunteers of free speech who want to take your right of free speech from you.

It is also hilarious to know that for some, the opposition to PK is the same as the violent Charlie Hebdo episode which saw the cold blooded murder of journalists/policemen/woman and market goers. This (Charlie Hebdo massacre) was rejoiced and celebrated across the world by followers of a particular community.

These pseudo secularists would go to any level to justify this Islamic terrorism by cooking up stories of Hindu terrorism. In fact, their chief mentor/patron - Raul Baba said to the Americans that Hindu terror (which actually does not exist) is a bigger threat than Islamic terror.
"Pk में सच्चाई ना होती तो ४०० करोड का कारोबार कैसे करती ?" pk के समर्थन म येें दलील करने वाले सेक्युलर सूवरों के मुंह पर ये झन्नाटेदार थप्पड़ कैसा रहेगा ?
Five million copies of Charlie Ebdo are out today in 14 languages with the "cartoon" on the front page. The previous quantity of the printed magazine was mere 60000.
 
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rajpal ji,

very rightly said. A tight slap on the face of pseudo secularists.

However, its surprising to note that a few members take it personal when you write something about the movie or pseudo-secularists. It seems they would be more than happy to crush your voice because you raise issues which are contemporary and relevant and the issues rub their political ideologies. They espouse free speech, yet they would like to crush the voice of anyone who does not speak their language of appeasement. So much for the free speech.

I have till date not seen you personally attacking any member. But there are countless volunteers of free speech who want to take your right of free speech from you.

It is also hilarious to know that for some, the opposition to pk is the same as the violent charlie hebdo episode which saw the cold blooded murder of journalists/policemen/woman and market goers. This (charlie hebdo massacre) was rejoiced and celebrated across the world by followers of a particular community.

These pseudo secularists would go to any level to justify this islamic terrorism by cooking up stories of hindu terrorism. In fact, their chief mentor/patron - raul baba said to the americans that hindu terror (which actually does not exist) is a bigger threat than islamic terror.

भाई साहब,माफ़ करना कहे बिना नहीं रहा गया, पिछले दो-तीन साल से आपकी एक ही आरती चालू है i


Sir, प्रचारकों को यहाँ पर अभिव्यक्ति की पूरी स्वतंत्रता है i और कितनी स्वतंत्रता चाहिए आपके प्रधान-प्रचारक को I जो लोग PK पर प्रतिबन्ध के हक़ में नहीं हैं उनको माननीय प्रधान-प्रचारक जी सूवर बता रहे हैं i लेकिन हमने बड़ी विनम्रता के साथ उन्हें ऐसा न करने की सलाह दी थी i और कितनी गालियां दिलवाना चाहते हो महोदय? बड़ा खेद होता है यह देख कर कि हमारे देश में धर्म और संस्कृति के धनी लोगों का मुंह सिर्फ अपशब्द, भद्दी फब्ती, गाली-गलौज़, खीझ, कड़वाहट, अन्धविश्वाश भरे ढोंगी तंत्र-मंत्र, मिथ्या प्रचार और लड़ाई झगडे के लिए ही खुलता है i धर्म का ढोंग रचा कर, जाट समुदाय के बचे खुचे प्यार और भाईचारे को तोड़ने और जाटों की ताकत को मिटाने वाले तांत्रिकों के हाथों की कठपुतली बन कर यहां खुलकर इस वेब-साइट का दुरूपयोग करने की आपको पूरी स्वतंत्रता मिली हुई है i आपको और क्या चाहिए, सर ? अगर हमारा यहाँ आना आपको अखरता है तो खुल के बता दीजिये सर I हम आपकी साइट पर आना बंद कर देंगे I लेकिन हम ढोंगी और झूठे प्रचारकों की तर्ज़ पर आरती गाना शुरू कर दें, ये नहीं हो पायेगा, सर I


आदरणीय प्रधान-प्रचारक साहब की मधुर वाणी वाली पोस्ट आपकी याददास्त को वापिस लाने के नीचे चिपकी है (जिसको मॉडरेटर साहिबान ने भी बड़ी इज़्ज़त के साथ संजो कर रखा हुआ है ताकि इस महान वेब-साइट की महानता में चार-पांच चाँद और लग जाएँ )



originally posted by rajpaldular"pk में सच्चाई ना होती तो ४०० करोड का कारोबार कैसे करती ?" pk के समर्थन म येें दलील करने वाले सेक्युलर सूवरों के मुंह पर ये झन्नाटेदार थप्पड़ कैसा रहेगा ?
 
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