Bus to Muzaffarabad

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I wonder what you guys think about it. I would particularly request our respected members from Army to comment on this.

I personally think its totally unnecessary and perhaps a very serious threat to the security. On one hand we are fencing our borders, our army is trying hard to prevent infilitration and here we are, freely allowing pakis/militants to come and terrorize.

(PS: Please look at the photograph, is that the 'mullah' cap that our own external affairs minister is wearing? )
 
Baat Hazam Nahin Ho Rahi

Bhai ye baat appan ko katti hazam nahin ho rahi.Mujhe darr hai ki..........

AAJ CHALAO RAIL TUM,KAL CHALAO BUS
PARSON SARA HO JAYEGA TAYEN-2 PHISS
AATANKWADDI AAYENGE, PICNIC MANAYENGE
SHANTI KE NAAM PAR AATANK FELAYENGE



WE DON'T LEARN FROM HISTORY. LET US GIVE PEACE A CHANCE.......HOWEVER.................WILL IT HAPPEN??????????????????????????????????
 
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People to People Contact is Must...

Dear Friends,

Without going too much into the History of J&K problem and related issues, let me give you a different perspective on Nations that were divided by 'Powers to be' by drawing lines, called International Borders and converted into different states. Pakhtoons, Kurds, Palestinians, Irish and many more people fall into this category. Kashmiris are one of them.

We are lucky that out homeland, where Hindu JATS live, was not divided by an act of a tyrant and/or history. Imagine, if one fine day a line is drawn in the centre of JATLAND and we are made into two or more countries! Imagine if the International border runs through Kharkouda and Sonepat & Rohtak fall into different countries. Would we not pick up arms to restore the status quo? I would be the first one to do so. Then we would call ourselves 'Freedom Fighters' and the government will label us as 'Militants' or 'Terrorists'.

No conflict has reached a conclusion through war or continued hostility. There is no choice but to resolve this issue so that peoples of South Asia too can prosper. The people of J&K have suffered (I know they get everything subsidised and have been milking the common Indian) and it is time these conflicts, mainly the doing of 'The Gora Saheb' and our own 'Brown Saheb' Jawahar Lal are resolved. No, there is no other way.

No State must divide families that were living as one for centuries and then one fine day a line was drawn on the map and they become residents of two different countries. I have seen a village in URI (J&K) on the LOC, where half ot it is in POK. Relatives shout across but can't meet. And this is the story of millions who live along the LOC.

Let more buses run across the border and let more people meet. If people want peace, no government can continue with the hostilities.

Members are welcome to differ but the only way this J&K tangle would be resolved is though 'Peaceful Negotiations'.

Regards,

JS malik
 
jagmohan said:
Dear Friends,

Without going too much into the History of J&K problem and related issues, let me give you a different perspective on Nations that were divided by 'Powers to be' by drawing lines, called International Borders and converted into different states. Pakhtoons, Kurds, Palestinians, Irish and many more people fall into this category. Kashmiris are one of them.

We are lucky that out homeland, where Hindu JATS live, was not divided by an act of a tyrant and/or history. Imagine, if one fine day a line is drawn in the centre of JATLAND and we are made into two or more countries! Imagine if the International border runs through Kharkouda and Sonepat & Rohtak fall into different countries. Would we not pick up arms to restore the status quo? I would be the first one to do so. Then we would call ourselves 'Freedom Fighters' and the government will label us as 'Militants' or 'Terrorists'.

No conflict has reached a conclusion through war or continued hostility. There is no choice but to resolve this issue so that peoples of South Asia too can prosper. The people of J&K have suffered (I know they get everything subsidised and have been milking the common Indian) and it is time these conflicts, mainly the doing of 'The Gora Saheb' and our own 'Brown Saheb' Jawahar Lal are resolved. No, there is no other way.

No State must divide families that were living as one for centuries and then one fine day a line was drawn on the map and they become residents of two different countries. I have seen a village in URI (J&K) on the LOC, where half ot it is in POK. Relatives shout across but can't meet. And this is the story of millions who live along the LOC.

Let more buses run across the border and let more people meet. If people want peace, no government can continue with the hostilities.

Members are welcome to differ but the only way this J&K tangle would be resolved is though 'Peaceful Negotiations'.

Regards,

JS malik
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I totally endorse your views Sir.. We need more buses, trains, and air links..I would like to drive my car to Pakistan some day and go around as many places as I feel like...certainly spend and evening in anarkali bazar..

RK^2
 
jagmohan said:
Dear Friends,

Without going too much into the History of J&K problem and related issues, let me give you a different perspective on Nations that were divided by 'Powers to be' by drawing lines, called International Borders and converted into different states. Pakhtoons, Kurds, Palestinians, Irish and many more people fall into this category. Kashmiris are one of them.

We are lucky that out homeland, where Hindu JATS live, was not divided by an act of a tyrant and/or history. Imagine, if one fine day a line is drawn in the centre of JATLAND and we are made into two or more countries! Imagine if the International border runs through Kharkouda and Sonepat & Rohtak fall into different countries. Would we not pick up arms to restore the status quo? I would be the first one to do so. Then we would call ourselves 'Freedom Fighters' and the government will label us as 'Militants' or 'Terrorists'.

No conflict has reached a conclusion through war or continued hostility. There is no choice but to resolve this issue so that peoples of South Asia too can prosper. The people of J&K have suffered (I know they get everything subsidised and have been milking the common Indian) and it is time these conflicts, mainly the doing of 'The Gora Saheb' and our own 'Brown Saheb' Jawahar Lal are resolved. No, there is no other way.

No State must divide families that were living as one for centuries and then one fine day a line was drawn on the map and they become residents of two different countries. I have seen a village in URI (J&K) on the LOC, where half ot it is in POK. Relatives shout across but can't meet. And this is the story of millions who live along the LOC.

Let more buses run across the border and let more people meet. If people want peace, no government can continue with the hostilities.

Members are welcome to differ but the only way this J&K tangle would be resolved is though 'Peaceful Negotiations'.

Regards,

JS malik
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Malik Sir,

Very well said. I agree 100%. There should be more, flights, buses, if India can afford it as Rk^2 sir said.
 
yes, People to People contact is must to solve all issues whatever have between these two country. If once the people of both the countries come together and share their views with each other then every problem will be solved.
You can see the example of Barlin Wall, it was broken by the Jermyan' peopel and it could be done only by the people to people contact policy.
But government should not be careless about the security concern also.
 
adhanda said:
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/feb/16bus1.htm


I wonder what you guys think about it. I would particularly request our respected members from Army to comment on this.

I personally think its totally unnecessary and perhaps a very serious threat to the security. On one hand we are fencing our borders, our army is trying hard to prevent infilitration and here we are, freely allowing pakis/militants to come and terrorize.

(PS: Please look at the photograph, is that the 'mullah' cap that our own external affairs minister is wearing? )
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To best of my knowledge, Indians never had a cap or for that matter any sort of stitched cloths what so ever. These were the muslims who brought the art of stitching to India. If one calls this capp as Mullah cap, I can certainly call all pants as Padri pants... If we want to be true Indians, better we go back in Chanakya's time and sleep over floors, eat on floor, tie a dhoti, keep our chests bare, have a khadau in place of shoes...eat food in earthern wares..

RK^2
 
rkumar said:
To best of my knowledge, Indians never had a cap or for that matter any sort of stitched cloths what so ever. These were the muslims who brought the art of stitching to India. If one calls this capp as Mullah cap, I can certainly call all pants as Padri pants... If we want to be true Indians, better we go back in Chanakya's time and sleep over floors, eat on floor, tie a dhoti, keep our chests bare, have a khadau in place of shoes...eat food in earthern wares..

RK^2
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Please have a look at the site

http://www.fashionindia.net/history_fashion/history_fashion.htm
 
adhanda said:
Please have a look at the site

http://www.fashionindia.net/history_fashion/history_fashion.htm
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Going through this whole link does not prove anything except some plan statements. Show me one solid proof where during pre-muslim period stitched cloths were in use in India? Having needle known to Indians does not prove that it was used for stitching cloths. May be we had a crude needle which was good enough only for stitching leather and some other joot bags or some other rough fabric used for making things like tents/ shades for army..

RK^2
 
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Bus To Muzaffarrabad

Col Malik has explained the issue very well. Further, the entry is by identification and open to all Indians and not only Kashmiris. Imagine, in our own country, at the time of independence, we needed a visa to enter Kashmir. To that extent I feel it is a good bargain. Now it is up to our security forces, and intelligence agencies to ensure that we do identify the bad apples travelling in these buses and trains.

It is important for Kashmiris to interact with their counter parts in POK. May be when they compare their status, vs. the Kashmiris in India, it would be to our advantage. After all freedom is dear to all human beings. We should not expect immidiate result. I think in long run, it is going to be beneficial for the regional peace.
 
I really don't know whether or not it is a wishfull thinking? I would like peace to be given every chance. More often than not prejudice leads us to wrong conclusions. Leadership that existed in both the countries in 1947, 1965, 1971 and in 1989 have changed. The people of the region are suffering and if we maintain the policy of no dialogue, we go no where.

I think it is a development in positive direction. Each good thing bring some thing bad with it. It is up to us how to identify that bad thing and nullify that. But I strongly feel that nothing should be left to chance to try out the prospects of lasting peace in the region. I think we all have suffered enough and the people of the region, whether Hindus or Muslims, do deserve a better environment and unless both parties try, it can't be achieved.
 
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