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jaisingh318
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Are you sure about your source ?
mention the names of the mines where illegal mining is done in gurgaon and faridabad?
as per my information illegal mining was done by khan mafia headed by ramchander benda ,kartar badana and som sethi or all those belonging to bjp .
And hooda stopped this after becoming CM
Though not sure of this mining thing, but for sure only the charge is transferred from the names you mentioned to the ruling party people, rest all is same as it use to before Congress coming to power.
sanjeev1984
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ha ha ha ha ha ha....
Rinku, I have argued with everyone on this forum but there is a reason why I dont reply to your posts and it is not because I dont have answers, all the answers to your questions are hidden in all my previous posts that you read but dont understand the way told. But since you have put all your questions together, here is the enlightenment you are seeking:
I am not very known to the entire episode but if I believe you then Congress paid the price in 1999 elections and soon enough learnt from its mistake but BJP is yet to learn the word 'learning from mistakes'
Then BJPites are biggest hypocrites. here, read the caption that appeared in India Today Foes at home, friends abroad: Advani praises UPA govt's MGNREGA scheme at UN
BTW, not you but some very enlightened BJP supporters have criticized the MNREGA, guess they are not reading enough.
That discussion was on a different tangent, it was discussion on Modi's capability to be a PM and how a PM has to be a diplomat as well. My point was very simple, if one can not manage cordial relations with states, how can one anticipate him to have cordial relations with other countries?
Also, the Obama and republican example is you are quoting is irrelevant. It would have been a right analogy if we were discussing center-BJP state relations.
Again, get the context there and read the previous posts to get my point.
Again, you missed the point there as usual. I was not questioning the high court orders but intention of EC which I found right to curb misuse of money. Please follow the whole debate instead of forming
I have been enjoying very healthy debates here, if you seek to learn what a healthy debate is then follow some of the previous debates on this topic and you will realize what a healthy debate is. A healthy debate to me is a debate argued on discussion points with mutual respect, like Atish, Swaich and to some extend even Abhik Rana does.
They are contextual, logical and with proofs, I am sorry if you can not process them and think they are hypothetical.
I must be writing much more worthy than you have written above else am sure you are not that idle to bother yourself by noting down all the questions that I dint answer, but here you go
atamjeet78
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Pata nahi, on a serious not BJP was surely the first party to have a social media team which still is in existence and to Modi's credit, I havent seen a better social media campaign than his
bhai taane sara kimi fail kar rakhya adde ke modi mange ke bjp...tu one man army saab pe bhari pade se..isa tagda supporter to ek hi bhatera...chahe koi kali sahi bago chae kala teel bago, bhai ke honde eek cheent bhi padeja to congress pe ke baat se.
Je kisi ne ib bhi nahi berapatya congress kyukur teek rahi se itne bade bade ghotale karan ka baad bhi to un logna kade nahi berapata.... isse isse tagde supporter se congress dhore .. isa koi bjp ka toh ke ne liya do.. inld ka to koi pa sakse par vo bhi iske mukable main adha hi rah lega
bhai taane sara kimi fail kar rakhya adde ke modi mange ke bjp...tu one man army saab pe bhari pade se..isa tagda supporter to ek hi bhatera...chahe koi kali sahi bago chae kala teel bago, bhai ke honde eek cheent bhi padeja to congress pe ke baat se.
Je kisi ne ib bhi nahi berapatya congress kyukur teek rahi se itne bade bade ghotale karan ka baad bhi to un logna kade nahi berapata.... isse isse tagde supporter se congress dhore .. isa koi bjp ka toh ke ne liya do.. inld ka to koi pa sakse par vo bhi iske mukable main adha hi rah lega
sanjeev1984
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This article can be considered as a slap on the faces of those who are self claimed neutrals (and always support self claimed sick-ulars) and are very much biased.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/who-s-antiwomen-modi-or-the-media-/1031112/
"I write this after viewing Modi’s entire speech on YouTube, delivered during the election campaign in Himachal Pradesh. It provides an illustrative example of how our media steadfastly avoids discussion on serious issues and picks up only sensational and titillating tidbits, especially with regard to women, even while pretending to be guardians of women’s rights and honour."
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/who-s-antiwomen-modi-or-the-media-/1031112/
"I write this after viewing Modi’s entire speech on YouTube, delivered during the election campaign in Himachal Pradesh. It provides an illustrative example of how our media steadfastly avoids discussion on serious issues and picks up only sensational and titillating tidbits, especially with regard to women, even while pretending to be guardians of women’s rights and honour."
After reading this article, its all the more surprising why a media-savvy person like Modi made the mistake of making a 'low remark' that would be picked up by media. He usually seems to understand how media works, or his team does that for him.
I find it opposite, har koi ek tarah munh utha ke sarkar ki burai karta hai aur koi ek fair baat likhe to relha sa aata hai BJP supporters ka use congessi, loyal aur na jane kaise kaise shabd use karte hue. Atish, Swaich and I have been putting fair and balanced views but like say you see what you want to see and what all see is only the lines that go in favor of Congress. I depicted the thinking process of those pseudo BJP supporters in one of my posts, hope you will agree to that.
Social media campaigns does not win elections, proven time and again because not everybody who is an internet tiger votes.
Also, Going by what you are saying BJP would have won majorly in all elections because as per you am the one criticizing it here but results speak otherwise, no?
rinkusheoran
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I am not very known to the entire episode but if I believe you then Congress paid the price in 1999 elections and soon enough learnt from its mistake but BJP is yet to learn the word 'learning from mistakes'
This is your beauty, you are not aware of the entire episode but you gave a verdict to that but not in the same line as you would have said if it was any other party other than congress if they would have done same
Then BJPites are biggest hypocrites. here, read the caption that appeared in India Today Foes at home, friends abroad: Advani praises UPA govt's MGNREGA scheme at UN
I dont see anything wrong in this however That was caption by media and they want to create hype to earn bread and butter to put something sensational if you taken in a way as hypocrisy. I have said earlier as well and let me tell you again, never believe everytinhg writeen in papers. I was part of one rally for jat reservation in Ramlila maidan, we have around 50-60k people but next day in paper it was just 5k to 6k.
BTW, not you but some very enlightened BJP supporters have criticized the MNREGA, guess they are not reading enough.
Does this line make sense here as you keep talking about relevant things ??? If Advani gave his opinion and someone else criticizing it , theyhave there own view. what is wrong in that? why everyone should praise it or should be in same line with Advani or for that matter you???
That discussion was on a different tangent, it was discussion on Modi's capability to be a PM and how a PM has to be a diplomat as well. My point was very simple, if one can not manage cordial relations with states, how can one anticipate him to have cordial relations with other countries?
It was same BJP and congress, You brought out the points of diplomacy within states when Diggy raja denied the troops but you had your own explanation as usual rather than saying diggy raja did wrong you found the fault with Modi's diplomacy
Also, the Obama and republican example is you are quoting is irrelevant. It would have been a right analogy if we were discussing center-BJP state relations.
Relevance is there. you need to use your head dear. If it was BJP in MP they would have sent the troops but it was congress govt that is why they denied to gain political brownies. Hope you get it now.I'm not talking about the fedral structure rather relation between two and that can be state-state or center-state. Even over here NJ and NY have two governors from different party line but they were supporting each other in time of need
Again, get the context there and read the previous posts to get my point.
Again, you missed the point there as usual. I was not questioning the high court orders but intention of EC which I found right to curb misuse of money. Please follow the whole debate instead of forming
I have been enjoying very healthy debates here, if you seek to learn what a healthy debate is then follow some of the previous debates on this topic and you will realize what a healthy debate is. A healthy debate to me is a debate argued on discussion points with mutual respect, like Atish, Swaich and to some extend even Abhik Rana does.
They are contextual, logical and with proofs, I am sorry if you can not process them and think they are hypothetical.
I must be writing much more worthy than you have written above else am sure you are not that idle to bother yourself by noting down all the questions that I dint answer, but here you go
Desi,Let me tell you why i wrote to even after i said i'm done with you. I have seen people laughing at what you wrote so i wanted to give a try where i could explain things to you after all you are one of us and when someone goes off the track , dusre bhai ka faraj banta hai usse sahi raste pe lane ka
Coming to your point on healthy debate,i have seen atleast three people namely Ravinder jeet bhaisahab, praveenbazad and now abhikrana saying thye had enough with you in this thread.I think They have said it after hearing your logical replies or your supporting documentation on the issue being talked :victorious:
One thing i can give you in writing that you dont vote for congress becasue of better alternative.
Ya to tera koi ristedar hai jaise uper ek bhai ne kaha, ho to bta dena main bhi ger dunga vote congress ka
ya kisi congressi ne teri koi nabaj pa ri sai jiss tarah unhe mulayam ya maywati ki mili hui hai
Remember I wrote i was not replying to your posts for a reason? It was for this reason because you make shallow comments on such topics for people against your belief and having known you from chaupal as a friend I did not want to get to this level.
I wish you and your believes all the best, Cheers!
I wish you and your believes all the best, Cheers!
sanjeev1984
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Sorry to say brother but i can sense that your sensors for sensing the sensible things are not properly sensing any more.
Why it is so hard for you to understand that writer of article was trying to explain that what ever said by Modi was not a "low remark", instead it was made "low" or "below belt" by media due to selective coverage and selective reading.
Why it is so hard for you to understand that writer of article was trying to explain that what ever said by Modi was not a "low remark", instead it was made "low" or "below belt" by media due to selective coverage and selective reading.
How will he, he is yet to get admission in Dept of Common Sense, sir :stupid:
But I get the point the author is trying to make and yes, media does give it a spin as per their whims and fancies as do so with a lot many other stories that you and I beat around with without realising it is the same media we were bashing a while ago
Here, a reason to cheer but please do not criticize CBI to be working for govt after cheering this news or citing it in examples:
CBI registers case in Indore Mall irregularities, Digvijaya Singh named
New Delhi: Congress general secretary Digvijaya Singh has been named in a First Information Report (FIR) by the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which is investigating his role in allegedly bending rules to allow a mall to come up in a residential area in Indore.
The Indore bench of the Madhya Pradesh High Court had last month ordered the CBI to handle the investigation. The allegations against Mr Singh date back to 2002, when he was the chief minister of the state.
In 2008, petitioner Mahesh Garg complained to the state's Economic Offences Wing (EOW) that the Treasure Island mall was a giant rule-breaker. He said that while the guidelines allowed a part of the land to be used for commercial use, on Mr Singh's directive, the entire plot of 2.5 lakh square feet had been cleared for a shopping mall.
CBI registers case in Indore Mall irregularities, Digvijaya Singh named
New Delhi: Congress general secretary Digvijaya Singh has been named in a First Information Report (FIR) by the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which is investigating his role in allegedly bending rules to allow a mall to come up in a residential area in Indore.
The Indore bench of the Madhya Pradesh High Court had last month ordered the CBI to handle the investigation. The allegations against Mr Singh date back to 2002, when he was the chief minister of the state.
In 2008, petitioner Mahesh Garg complained to the state's Economic Offences Wing (EOW) that the Treasure Island mall was a giant rule-breaker. He said that while the guidelines allowed a part of the land to be used for commercial use, on Mr Singh's directive, the entire plot of 2.5 lakh square feet had been cleared for a shopping mall.
It doesnt take much to understand that media overlooked Modi's other laudable comments in the speech and focussed their attention on his 'one' remark. But still, media didn't put those words into Modi's mouth. He uttered them himself. They are guilty of being selective, as they always are. Anyways, its a bush beaten many times before between me and you. So no point arguing about it.
rinkusheoran
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Again you are not trying to understand my point. Mujhe aisa lag raha hai tum samjh kar na smajha ban rahe hi ya kuch aur wajah mujhe pta nhi.i dont know what you find shallow in this because i have not done your character sketch here. i have reached a conclusion only after going through your posts which many people have done before me as well.
You dont even know my belief dear but anyways best wishes to you as well.
sanjeev1984
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वा रे सरकार तेरा चक्कर-भाग -2
गज़ब लोगों की, अज़ब सरकार;
आमदनी कम,महंगाई की मार;
सस्ते होगें तब उनके सिलेंडर !
सालाना आमदनी हो लाख के अन्दर।
खाली होगी जेबें,मिलगें सस्ते सिलेंडर,
हालात ऐसे,जैसे सांप के मुहं छछुंदर;
सोच समझकर तरकीब बड़ी सुन्दर,
ग़रीब कंहा,वह जो लेगा "नो" सिलिंडर!
चतुराई से उठाये कदम,गरीबी खत्म ;
फिर भी क्यों मचाते शोर हरदम!
औकात नहीं खरीदने की हैं बेशर्म,
तब भी लगे उन्हें "छ" सिलिंडर कम ।
भूखे नगें लोग "छ"-"नो" के चक्कर मे ,
बदनाम करते सरकार को बेकार मे !
गरीब मरे तो कमी आये गरीबी मे ;
महंगा खरीदें,शक कंहा धनी कहलाने मे !
गज़ब लोगों की, अज़ब सरकार;
आमदनी कम,महंगाई की मार;
सस्ते होगें तब उनके सिलेंडर !
सालाना आमदनी हो लाख के अन्दर।
खाली होगी जेबें,मिलगें सस्ते सिलेंडर,
हालात ऐसे,जैसे सांप के मुहं छछुंदर;
सोच समझकर तरकीब बड़ी सुन्दर,
ग़रीब कंहा,वह जो लेगा "नो" सिलिंडर!
चतुराई से उठाये कदम,गरीबी खत्म ;
फिर भी क्यों मचाते शोर हरदम!
औकात नहीं खरीदने की हैं बेशर्म,
तब भी लगे उन्हें "छ" सिलिंडर कम ।
भूखे नगें लोग "छ"-"नो" के चक्कर मे ,
बदनाम करते सरकार को बेकार मे !
गरीब मरे तो कमी आये गरीबी मे ;
महंगा खरीदें,शक कंहा धनी कहलाने मे !
Finally the doomed 2G auctions happened and it taught all of us a few lessons:
1) Nobody is culprit until proven
2) Understand the valuation business before blaming(I can get other valuations to show even a bigger loss or smaller loss, comparables are on us to choose from)
3) Revenue earning is not the primary and main goal of government but it is CAGs job to see maximum rev. opportunities
4) CAG has no duty to comment government policies, govt works for citizens, CAG audits finances
I hope we all will take our due lessons in further debates
1) Nobody is culprit until proven
2) Understand the valuation business before blaming(I can get other valuations to show even a bigger loss or smaller loss, comparables are on us to choose from)
3) Revenue earning is not the primary and main goal of government but it is CAGs job to see maximum rev. opportunities
4) CAG has no duty to comment government policies, govt works for citizens, CAG audits finances
I hope we all will take our due lessons in further debates
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vikasgulia
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Congress dirty tricks department is unleashed again. Desh jaaye bhaad mein!! Few media (such as Eco times) and few elements with vested interest on social media are in overdrive to claim that there was no 2G scam. here is a point by point rebuttal.
[h=1]A flop auction does not mean there was no 2G scam[/h]http://www.firstpost.com/business/a-flop-auction-does-not-mean-there-was-no-2g-scam-524934.html
and still more: (2G auction: How failure may have been pre-programmed)
http://www.firstpost.com/business/2g-auction-how-failure-may-have-been-pre-programmed-525141.html
Not denying there was no irregularity but saying that CAG is not the ultimate authority for the reasons shared above.
I am not sure how many people understand the process of valuation, they can change as per whims and fancies of evaluator. Besides, CAGs aim is to look at maximum revenue for govt but govt doesnt work for maximum revenue but public benefit.
I am not sure how many people understand the process of valuation, they can change as per whims and fancies of evaluator. Besides, CAGs aim is to look at maximum revenue for govt but govt doesnt work for maximum revenue but public benefit.