Challenges and Chances before AAP

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DrRajpalSingh said:
Friend,

His voice of protest is not cry of a person but a clear challenge to the system prevalent at various levels in the country.

Your post also explicitly shows support to his voice of dissent that caste and community factors continue to overshadow metro towns like Delhi, which happens to be the national capital and a Union Territory, too !

It is hoped that the present dispensation would, if possible, put a check on it and replace it with Merit based selections at all levels and all inclusive development !

Thanks and regards
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Thanks for speaking on behalf of Krishan ji, but I am sure he can reply himself.

Put a check on what? Too many Biharis in the bureaucracy or Banias in business? Well if our Jat boys can toil away 12 hours a day preparing for UPSC, and top the ranks, I am sure no Bihari can stop them. But education still doesn't take priority for us - not as much as it should.

This isn't a cry for equality but a claim to opportunities lost.
 
rajpaldular said:

13 नवंबर से 4 दिसंबर तक 4 हजार यूएस निवासियों ने 6 लाख फोन करके लोगों को आप पार्टी का समर्थन करने को कहा। इसीप्रकार करीब तीन लाख एसएमएस किए गए। इनका कुल मूल्य 10 करोड़ रुपये आता है। आप पार्टी का समर्थन अमेरिका की सीआईए एजेंसी ने योजनाबद्ध तरीके से किया। समाचार पत्रों में भी छपा है कि साइबर टेक्नोलॉजी से आप पार्टी को सफलता मिली। यह सरासर भारत की चुनाव प्रक्रिया में विदेशी एजेंसियों का हस्तक्षेप है जबकि इसे तथाकथित एनआरआई का नाम दे दिया गया।http://www.amarujala.com/news/delhi-ncr/delhi-news-ncr/cm-kejriwal-s-american-connection/"
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राजपाल जी, झूठ ऐसी तो बोलो जो जँच जाये I कल मैं google hang out के जरिये विदेशों में रह रहे आम आदमी की video conference देख रहा था जिसमें अमरीका, लंदन और कनाडा में AAP के दर्जन भर दफ्तरों में बैठे सैंकड़ों नौजवान योगेन्द्र यादव से बात कर रहे थे जिसमे एक भी विदेशी नहीं था I योगेन्द्र यादव ने उन्हें हिंदुस्तान में फ़ोन पर लोगों को पार्टी के लिए convassing करने की सलाह दी थी I हो सकता है ये फोन उसी मुहीम का हिस्सा हो I वैसे तो लन्दन में गुजराती समुदाय का भी एक बहुत बड़ा हिस्सा जो अब समृद्ध ब्रिटिश नागरिक हैं, मोदी साहब की तन मन धन से सहायता कर रहे हैं I इस में कौन सी बुरी बात है I विदेश में जाने के बाद भी भारतीय मूल के लोगों की रूह तो हिंदुस्तान में ही बसती है और वे सभी अपने अपने मनपसंद नेताओं की मदद भी करते हैं जो कि उनका मूलभूत अधिकार है I इसमें विदेशी हाथ क्यों देख रहे हो I
 
vicky84 said:
I have always been critical about his solutions like Lokpal bill, unnecessary socialism and of course his non sense populist dramas which have nothing to do with the problems. I don't need to go through other political parties view on AAP. Some of Arvind solutions are already nonsense. Ask any renowned economist or an administrator, he will explain you why some of his solutions are nonsense. Even if you use common sense, you will find the answers. Our President Pranab Mukherjee aptly said, A populist anarchy cannot be a substitute for governance.
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Bhai Vicky Mohan, I believe you haven't heared the President's speech in total! Do you really think that he was only targeting AAP? Sarkaarein Free Mangal Sutra, Free Laptop, Teerath Yatra par bhejna etc. bhi baant rahi hein!
I request you to read or listen to his speech and hope you would realize that it was not only against AAP but all Political Parties! His selection of words was clever, to give a specific feel to it. That why i had quoted in my previous post that Prob. it was written by somebody like Digvijay! I would advise you to watch a video from NDTV Hindi Library, a Talk show by Ravish " who the President targeting in his speech! Vaise bhi Parnav da ek different background se aaye hein! I think he remained for a longest period of time in central minister! but contest successfully just one election!
Issi liye wo street rajniti se waaqif nahi hein! Unhone ayesa sangarsh kabhi nahi kiye power mein aane ke liye jaisa AAp ne kiya hai! He got it always through backdoor entry .

http://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/prime-time/307021

Please watch whole debate, it is very interesting!


Cheers!
 
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singhvp said:
राजपाल जी, झूठ ऐसी तो बोलो जो जँच जाये I कल मैं google hang out के जरिये विदेशों में रह रहे आम आदमी की video conference देख रहा था जिसमें अमरीका, लंदन और कनाडा में AAP के दर्जन भर दफ्तरों में बैठे सैंकड़ों नौजवान योगेन्द्र यादव से बात कर रहे थे जिसमे एक भी विदेशी नहीं था I योगेन्द्र यादव ने उन्हें हिंदुस्तान में फ़ोन पर लोगों को पार्टी के लिए convassing करने की सलाह दी थी I हो सकता है ये फोन उसी मुहीम का हिस्सा हो I वैसे तो लन्दन में गुजराती समुदाय का भी एक बहुत बड़ा हिस्सा जो अब समृद्ध ब्रिटिश नागरिक हैं, मोदी साहब की तन मन धन से सहायता कर रहे हैं I इस में कौन सी बुरी बात है I विदेश में जाने के बाद भी भारतीय मूल के लोगों की रूह तो हिंदुस्तान में ही बसती है और वे सभी अपने अपने मनपसंद नेताओं की मदद भी करते हैं जो कि उनका मूलभूत अधिकार है I इसमें विदेशी हाथ क्यों देख रहे हो I
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What if the people were of Indian origin living out of India? What if the people were of foreign origin?

What is valued more in this country "Origin of the person", or the value system that the person advocates?
 
maddhan1979 said:
What if the people were of Indian origin living out of India? What if the people were of foreign origin?

What is valued more in this country "Origin of the person", or the value system that the person advocates?
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How does it even matter, if the person is totally of foreign origin?
 
maddhan1979 said:
How does it even matter, if the person is totally of foreign origin?
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We in India are living and leading a western Industrialized life which exists at global level and at every small local local level. We wear clothes that were designed and developed in industrialized countries, we drive vehicles which were made in industrialized western world, every part of Indian life is influenced and connected with Industrialized countries. India as a country is moving from a agriculture based economy to industrialized economy, so there is no scope of disconnecting the industrialized nations, people and the world from India and its thought process.
 
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desijat said:
Yes sir, I can tell you what is paid media and what is not.

Pioneer owned by Chandan Mitra, Niti Central owned by Kanchan Gupta and IBTL funded by Subramaniyam Swamy are example of paid, or sponsored medias. Interestingly all come from BJP's hood who blames rest of the world for paid media.
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Friend,

Good issue raised B J P sponsored Media versus other media.

If one agrees to your statement this would mean except these few 'paid media' houses, rest of the TV channels and news papers fall into 'free media' category or charity enterprises.

Could you share what is the definition of the paid media and unpaid/free media applied by you to categorise them as per your post. .

Thanks and regards
 
Prikshit said:
Appreciations to all, I see its very rare fellow JLders loose cool over any disagreement. Which is indeed commendavble. Rahi bat support karne ki to har vyakti visesh ke agende ya soch hoti hai jo ki respect karni chahiye. Apne point rakho aur seeng mat fasao, isse bdiya kimme nhi hai.
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Well summed up the need to remain calm and composed before criticism of one's views !

Tolerance for other point of view is the soul of healthy discussion or debate !
 
राहुल-मोदी से जुड़ा केजरीवाल का री ट्वीट, नए विवाद का जन्म

नई दिल्ली। संगीतकार विशाल डडलानी के ट्वीट को री ट्वीट कर दिल्ली के मुख्यमंत्री अरविंद केजरीवाल ने एक नए विवाद को जन्म दे दिया है। डडलानी ने सोमवार को ट्वीट कर कहा था कि देश मूर्ख और हत्यारे की बीच फंस कर रह गया है। डडलानी ने कांगेस उपाध्यक्ष राहुल गांधी को मूर्ख और बीजेपी के प्रधानमंत्री पद के उम्मीदवार नरेंद्र मोदी को हत्यारा बताते हुए देश के प्रति चिंता व्यक्त की थी और कहा था कि अब देश का क्या होगा? डडलानी के इसी ट्वीट को केजरीवाल ने री ट्वीट किया है।
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
Friend,

Good issue raised B J P sponsored Media versus other media.

If one agrees to your statement this would mean except these few 'paid media' houses, rest of the TV channels and news papers fall into 'free media' category or charity enterprises.

Could you share what is the definition of the paid media and unpaid/free media applied by you to categorise them as per your post. .

Thanks and regards
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You have the wrong meaning of free media. It doesn't mean the content is free or its a charity org. Free media means unbiased and objective content unhampered by ownership and other political or corporate influence .

The websites in questions are owned by BJP members or individuals with allegiance to the Sangh Parivar and hence can't be categorized as 'free.'

This is not to say, Congress doesn't influence media. Many people allege NDTV to be Congress influenced although no linkages can be established between them as in the case of Niticentral, Pioneer and Swamy's newsrag. Maybe they are just better at it owing to their massive experience of being in power.
 
swaich said:
You have the wrong meaning of free media. It doesn't mean the content is free or its a charity org. Free media means unbiased and objective content unhampered by ownership and other political or corporate influence .

The websites in questions are owned by BJP members or individuals with allegiance to the Sangh Parivar and hence can't be categorized as 'free.'

This is not to say, Congress doesn't influence media. Many people allege NDTV to be Congress influenced although no linkages can be established between them as in the case of Niticentral, Pioneer and Swamy's newsrag. Maybe they are just better at it owing to their massive experience of being in power.
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Bhai, I would like few names from you for which you can say they are free media in true sense. Per your defination of free media I am asking
 
swaich said:
You have the wrong meaning of free media. It doesn't mean the content is free or its a charity org. Free media means unbiased and objective content unhampered by ownership and other political or corporate influence .
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Thanks friend for replying on behalf of Desijat.

Would you kindly elaborate if there exists any thing like free media in India as per your categorisation and also further cite some more specific information on free media sites/channels/newspapers.

Regards
 
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DrRajpalSingh said:
Thanks friend for replying on behalf of Desijat.

Would you kindly elaborate if there exists any thing like free media in India as per your categorisation and also further cite some more specific information on free media sites/channels/newspapers.

Regards
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You are welcome. Always glad to clear doubts wherever I can. Though allegations of paid media have been hurled around previously many times on multiple threads, surprised to see your sudden interest in it or the individual who mentioned it.

In the purest sense, I don't think there exists anything like objective unbiased reporting in India among the major media houses. Even supposedly independent media publications like The Hindu and Open Media have been known to bow to influences and remove editors. The reason is money - be it from corporates or political parties. But as I mentioned it can't be proved as in the case of NDTV, IBN or TimesNow no clear linkages can be established. But one can analyze their coverage and form one's opinions. I think they have a pro-govt bias.

There are some independent online media publications like Kafila, Caravan etc which highlight issues not covered by mainstream media.
 
swaich said:
You are welcome. Always glad to clear doubts wherever I can. Though allegations of paid media have been hurled around previously many times on multiple threads, surprised to see your sudden interest in it or the individual who mentioned it.

In the purest sense, I don't think there exists anything like objective unbiased reporting in India among the major media houses. Even supposedly independent media publications like The Hindu and Open Media have been known to bow to influences and remove editors. The reason is money - be it from corporates or political parties. But as I mentioned it can't be proved as in the case of NDTV, IBN or TimesNow no clear linkages can be established. But one can analyze their coverage and form one's opinions. I think they have a pro-govt bias.

There are some independent online media publications like Kafila, Caravan etc which highlight issues not covered by mainstream media.
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Thanks Friend for an objective analysis of the Press and Media today in India !

We have to bear with the media provided data and have to deduce our conclusions by collecting more reliable data as well as application of comparative methods before jumping to announce final judgements or verdicts on intricate issues brought forward by fluid political milieu !

Thanks and regards,
 
rajpaldular said:
राहुल-मोदी से जुड़ा केजरीवाल का री ट्वीट, नए विवाद का जन्म

नई दिल्ली। संगीतकार विशाल डडलानी के ट्वीट को री ट्वीट कर दिल्ली के मुख्यमंत्री अरविंद केजरीवाल ने एक नए विवाद को जन्म दे दिया है। डडलानी ने सोमवार को ट्वीट कर कहा था कि देश मूर्ख और हत्यारे की बीच फंस कर रह गया है। डडलानी ने कांगेस उपाध्यक्ष राहुल गांधी को मूर्ख और बीजेपी के प्रधानमंत्री पद के उम्मीदवार नरेंद्र मोदी को हत्यारा बताते हुए देश के प्रति चिंता व्यक्त की थी और कहा था कि अब देश का क्या होगा? डडलानी के इसी ट्वीट को केजरीवाल ने री ट्वीट किया है।
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Yadi is twit mein Dadlani ya Kejariwal

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Narender Modi or Rahul Gandhi ke naam bhi de rakhe hein

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aisa karna bahut galat prampara kee shruat kahi jayegi!
 
rajpaldular said:
राहुल-मोदी से जुड़ा केजरीवाल का री ट्वीट, नए विवाद का जन्म

नई दिल्ली। संगीतकार विशाल डडलानी के ट्वीट को री ट्वीट कर दिल्ली के मुख्यमंत्री अरविंद केजरीवाल ने एक नए विवाद को जन्म दे दिया है। डडलानी ने सोमवार को ट्वीट कर कहा था कि देश मूर्ख और हत्यारे की बीच फंस कर रह गया है। डडलानी ने कांगेस उपाध्यक्ष राहुल गांधी को मूर्ख और बीजेपी के प्रधानमंत्री पद के उम्मीदवार नरेंद्र मोदी को हत्यारा बताते हुए देश के प्रति चिंता व्यक्त की थी और कहा था कि अब देश का क्या होगा? डडलानी के इसी ट्वीट को केजरीवाल ने री ट्वीट किया है।
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Shindhe Kejriwal ko "Mad (Pagal) CM" bole to jayaj, Sonia Gandhi Modi ko "Maut Ka saudagar" bole to koi baat nahi
Kejriwal ne bina naam liye Re-tweet kar diya to hangama...wah kiya map dand hain ...

Remember all names congress called Aam AAdmi; " naali ke keede, barsati machchar" and what not... ? Mani Shankar talked OF "Chai wala"...

By the way from now on this will be the norm in Indian politics unless everyone follows some decorum.

RK^2
 
Rightly pointed out uncle ji.
Btw, I hope you will agree with me that Rahul Gandhi's interview with Arnab yesterday has made the picture very clear on his skills. Could not stop laughing after watching his interview. 500 Crores OR even Rs 50,00000 Crore makeover - nothing can save this "bhondu" from a big defeat now!!!


rkumar said:
Shindhe Kejriwal ko "Mad (Pagal) CM" bole to jayaj, Sonia Gandhi Modi ko "Maut Ka saudagar" bole to koi baat nahi
Kejriwal ne bina naam liye Re-tweet kar diya to hangama...wah kiya map dand hain ...

Remember all names congress called Aam AAdmi; " naali ke keede, barsati machchar" and what not... ? Mani Shankar talked OF "Chai wala"...

By the way from now on this will be the norm in Indian politics unless everyone follows some decorum.

RK^2
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anilsangwan said:
Rightly pointed out uncle ji.
Btw, I hope you will agree with me that Rahul Gandhi's interview with Arnab yesterday has made the picture very clear on his skills. Could not stop laughing after watching his interview. 500 Crores OR even Rs 50,00000 Crore makeover - nothing can save this "bhondu" from a big defeat now!!!
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Of course he is a mediocre and this is why he has not been able to make any political or social impact so far. Congress has better leaders. However, congress culture does not allow anyone other than from dynasty to have any major say. Unfortunately same is true of most main stream political parties except BJP. As far as BJP is concerned, except Modi no one inspires public. World has changed and country requires new direction and push. There are massive internal and external challenges and only a strong and focused leader can take the nation through. Right or wrong, ss of now Modi is the only option. Kejriwal and party will have to spend more time learning the art of politics and running the government before country can be handed over to them. Congress is a big no till its ruled by Rahuls and other sons and daughters of so and so. Lal batti culture has to go at any cost. "Dalle' hovering around politicians have to go once for all for clean public life.

RK^2
 
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