Challenges and Chances before AAP

[drrajpalsingh]

पाकिस्तान के कश्मीर मुद्दे के मंत्री ताहिर ने इस्लामाबाद में कहा कि आम आदमी पार्टी के जनमत संग्रह की मांग भारत के आम आदमी की मांग है और उस पर भारत को अपनी अकड़ छोड़ कर कार्यवाही करनी चाहिए। पाकिस्तान में इस मांग के पक्ष में हस्ताक्षर अभियान भी प्रारंभ हो गया है।

अब अगर यह बात और आगे बढ़ती है तो इसके लिए कौन जिम्मेदार होगा? अपनी ही धरती के टुकड़े को ले जनमत संग्रह का बीज बोने वाले "आप" वाले या कोई और......? वाकई में "आप" ऐसे कारनामे कर रही है जो बाकी पार्टियां पिछले 65 सालों में नहीं कर पाई!

This is utter non-sense to equate the speech of Prashant Bushan as voice of the people of India.

Leave aside AAP which is as of today A Delhi based regional party, none of the political parties can claim to represent the vast mass of population spread over all India.

 

[phoolkumar]

Jaspreet ji, Nehru jo beej bo ke gaye the, uski fasal kaatne ko ye Arvind Kejriwal ka avatar hua hai, jaise Nehru ne Kashmir mudde ko utha ke bewajah 2 deshon ke beech ke mudde ko UNO mein pahuncha ke international bana diya tha, aur unki vajah se desh ko army se le resources ka kitna bada nuksaan uthana pada, ye sab dekhte hue bhi aap isko seriously nahin le rahe to fir aapka hi jigar hai ki aap itna blind risk lene pe tule hue hain.....

aapko kyaa lagta hai ki kal ko janmat sangrah (plebiscite) ho bhi gaya to kyaa scene banne wala hai? 1st scene banega ki Kashmiri India ke saath aana chaahen to kyaa aisi situation mein AAP mein dam hai ki wo Kashmir waalon ko unke changul se nikaal ke Bharat mein mila denge? aur milaane bhi lage to international taakten jaise ki China-USA aisa hone dengi? 2nd scene ki Kashmiri Pakistan ke saath jana chaahen, to aise mein wahaan jo Hindu-Sikhs base hue hain unka kyaa? kyaa aap pahle se nahin jaante ki jo Hindu-Sikh Pakistan mein rah gaye the, unki kyaa haalat hai wahaan aaj ke din? Aur fir kyaa itni asaani se Bharat ka janmaanas is decision ke liye ready ho jayega, Bharat ka wo jan-manas jo pichhle 60 saal se J&K ki security ke liye apne TAX se paisa deta aaya hai? wo thaga hua mahsoos nahin karega?

aur kyaa agar ye ho gaya ki Pakistan ko Kashmir chala gaya to isse motivate ho fir aur naye janmat sangrah nahin uthenge, jaise ki Khalistan pe bhi fir awaaj uthegi ki janmat sangrah karwao ki Khalistan waale bharat mein rahna chahte hain ya alag hona chahte hain, aise hi fir Hydrabaad waale aur udhar neeche Kerala waale taiyaar baithe hain , fir kahin Naksalwaadi ooth khade honge?

aap saaf-saaf shabdon mein kyon nahin kahte ki Bharat ke tukde kar do? Do you feel that you serious this matter could go if initiated from Kashmir this way?

Needless brouhaha. Pakistan can commence any signature campaign it wants. Doesn't really change anything here.

To solve problems that have remain unsolved for 65 years, one does wonder if unconventional or never before tried tactics are the need of the hour.

 

[swaich]

Do you subscribe or not to the view as advocated by Prashant Bhushan and'or signature campaigners of Pakistan that there must be plebiscite in Jammu and Kashmir to solve the insurgency and allied problems between India and Pakistan !

Would it solve the problem or further complicate the relations between the two countries !

While this is off topic to the discussion of this thread, but I do agree partially with Prashant Bhushan. AFSPA should be withdrawn, as it increases dissatisfaction among the common Kashmiris against the Indian state which is the prime reason for the Kashmir problem. But I don't think plebiscite is the way to remove AFSPA or to decide Kashmir's fate.

Solving Kashmir will ease the relations with Pakistan alongwith freeing up massive military and economic resources.

 

[swaich]

I must say, it is precisely these kind of over the top, hysterical responses that preclude any permanent solution to the Kashmir problem. Perhaps you read my post in haste. When I spoke of unconventional means I didnt mean I agree with all the Bhushan or AAP proposes. But let me still try and answer your post -

Jaspreet ji, Nehru jo beej bo ke gaye the, uski fasal kaatne ko ye Arvind Kejriwal ka avatar hua hai, jaise Nehru ne Kashmir mudde ko utha ke bewajah 2 deshon ke beech ke mudde ko UNO mein pahuncha ke international bana diya tha, aur unki vajah se desh ko army se le resources ka kitna bada nuksaan uthana pada, ye sab dekhte hue bhi aap isko seriously nahin le rahe to fir aapka hi jigar hai ki aap itna blind risk lene pe tule hue hain.....

Please post logical and fact based posts Phool ji. Your arguments will serve a better purpose if you dont make statements like Kejriwal is Nehru's avatar

As a party AAP or Kejriwal has made no statement that compromises India's current stand on the Kashmir issue. Yes, Bhushan has made his views known but those are his personal opinions.

aapko kyaa lagta hai ki kal ko janmat sangrah (plebiscite) ho bhi gaya to kyaa scene banne wala hai? 1st scene banega ki Kashmiri India ke saath aana chaahen to kyaa aisi situation mein AAP mein dam hai ki wo Kashmir waalon ko unke changul se nikaal ke Bharat mein mila denge? aur milaane bhi lage to international taakten jaise ki China-USA aisa hone dengi? 2nd scene ki Kashmiri Pakistan ke saath jana chaahen, to aise mein wahaan jo Hindu-Sikhs base hue hain unka kyaa? kyaa aap pahle se nahin jaante ki jo Hindu-Sikh Pakistan mein rah gaye the, unki kyaa haalat hai wahaan aaj ke din? Aur fir kyaa itni asaani se Bharat ka janmaanas is decision ke liye ready ho jayega, Bharat ka wo jan-manas jo pichhle 60 saal se J&K ki security ke liye apne TAX se paisa deta aaya hai? wo thaga hua mahsoos nahin karega?


aur kyaa agar ye ho gaya ki Pakistan ko Kashmir chala gaya to isse motivate ho fir aur naye janmat sangrah nahin uthenge, jaise ki Khalistan pe bhi fir awaaj uthegi ki janmat sangrah karwao ki Khalistan waale bharat mein rahna chahte hain ya alag hona chahte hain, aise hi fir Hydrabaad waale aur udhar neeche Kerala waale taiyaar baithe hain , fir kahin Naksalwaadi ooth khade honge?

aap saaf-saaf shabdon mein kyon nahin kahte ki Bharat ke tukde kar do? Do you feel that you serious this matter could go if initiated from Kashmir this way?

All of your above comments are off topic for this thread and we should perhaps discuss it in another thread if that's ok with you. I will be glad to discuss further on this with you.

 

[singhvp]

I must say, it is precisely these kind of over the top, hysterical responses that preclude any permanent solution to the Kashmir problem. Perhaps you read my post in haste. When I spoke of unconventional means I didnt mean I agree with all the Bhushan or AAP proposes. But let me still try and answer your post -



Please post logical and fact based posts Phool ji. Your arguments will serve a better purpose if you dont make statements like Kejriwal is Nehru's avatar

As a party AAP or Kejriwal has made no statement that compromises India's current stand on the Kashmir issue. Yes, Bhushan has made his views known but those are his personal opinions.



All of your above comments are off topic for this thread and we should perhaps discuss it in another thread if that's ok with you. I will be glad to discuss further on this with you.

I salute the courage and calibre of all those friends who not only read but also decrypt and reply the scholistic pieces written/pasted by Hon'ble Shri Raj Pal Dular and Bhai Dr. Phool Kumar Ji 'Phd', who have been doing great service to the humanity, especially the Jat community. Kudos to all as well as the duo.

 

[phoolkumar]

sir was this kind of sarcastic post required in any sense or way? Or upon not finding humble responses, uttered such words only?

Its not the dare of those who replied me and Dular ji, which seems so in your view and if so then I would say that its instead the Kudos to me and Dular ji who took so winningly stand against all misguided Jat bhais behind this second versions of Nehruism's AAP and even stand undebaclled!

Batao janaab apne munh-miyan miththu ban rahe hain! Hum aapse yahaan koi reward ya award lene ke liye time khraab nahin kar rahe, apne samaaj ke aage asliyat laane ka kaam kar rahe hain jo humne bakhoobi kiya hai! hope you would also understand it and soon see the hand of Romans behind destroying the troy!

Wo jamaane aur Jats gaye jab jinhe chadha ke Nehru 20 saal Dilli ki PMship nikaal gaya. Ab Jats logical hain, aise Bhavnaon mein bah jaayen, wo hum nahin jnaab! Pata hai na aapko ki Nehru kaise chadhata tha Jats ko, ye kahte hue ki "Delhi ke chaaron aur ek aisi veer kaum rahti hai, jo jo agar thaan le to Delhi pe apna raj kabhi khatm na hone de"..... bas us time Jats isi line se bhav-bhangim hue rahe. aur ab in Nehruism version 2 waalon ne pata nahin konsi ghutti di hai aapko ki jo aap bhav-bhangim hue ja rahe hain...... sambhal ke sarkar, aur nahin to itihas se hi kuchh seekh lo!

Nehru 1 ne Jats ko baba ji ke thullu ke shivaay kuchh diya ho to ye Nehru version 2 waale denge. Baaki wo kahte hain ki "naai ke baal, kodad, blyaa kyon bechain hovai jajman, ib tere aage-e aa jyaange"!


khair usko to rooi khaane se koi roke bhi jo Kheer ke bhalokhe rooi kha raha ho, but usko koi kyaa roke aur samjha le jo din dholi rooi hi kha raha ho! kuen se (already corrupt system se) nikal khaai mein girne ka ye andha shok aapko hi mubarak jnaab! Dada Kheda bhali karen aapki!

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Second response to same post: Ar ooper ten dekho, debate karan ki jagah, jnaab reward aur award dene baith gaye, tht only shows ki aap answerless and cluless ho chuke hain mere provided arguments pe, otherwise ye "beating around the bush jaisa response na de ke, debate mein naya josh jodte" but ab to aise lagta hai ki jab debate ka major pyada hi ladkhada gaya hai to ab is thread pe aage debate karen bhi to kisse? Khair V.P. Singh ji aapne bahut josh-kharosh se debate mein participate kiya, thanks for that!

I salute the courage and calibre of all those friends who not only read but also decrypt and reply the scholistic pieces written/pasted by Hon'ble Shri Raj Pal Dular and Bhai Dr. Phool Kumar Ji 'Phd', who have been doing great service to the humanity, especially the Jat community. Kudos to all as well as the duo.

 

[virj]

sir was this kind of sarcastic post required in any sense or way? Or upon not finding humble responses, uttered such words only?

Totally Agree. Phool may have different view point on AAP but he has contributed in a positive way on this site and have only one agenda that is the betterment of our community.

 

[deshi-jat]

Masoom saab,
Your writing style is so innocent (as your pen name) that readers may interpret a genuine compliment as a sarcasm

I salute the courage and calibre of all those friends who not only read but also decrypt and reply the scholistic pieces written/pasted by Hon'ble Shri Raj Pal Dular and Bhai Dr. Phool Kumar Ji 'Phd', who have been doing great service to the humanity, especially the Jat community. Kudos to all as well as the duo.

 

[swaich]

Phool ji, your posts are expansive but filled with your own unique notions of events. Nothing wrong with that except that it helps to include some logic and facts to your notions instead f just rhetoric.

We are all educated enough not to support any party blindly - AAP or otherwise. None on JL are die hard supporters. We are all watchful, but yes some comments like yours do border more on the cynical then watchful side of things. Its a new party finding its feet in an old system. But calling them names and making weird and unfounded insinuations does not add to the discussion.

At least you could use better examples than blaming Romans for Troy, especially when the battle of Troy was fought between the Greeks and the Trojans. The Romans came a good century after the Greek civilization had ended as we knew it.

Hoping for a much better and insightful discussion with you on this.

 

[phoolkumar]

Janaab aap har baar, "Hoping for a much better and insightful discussion with you on this."

But ye discussion hote to nahin aapke, mere khyaal se bhaut se posts aapke is line ke sath end hote hain but ye new discussions kahin hote nahin aapke.

Rahi baat romans ki to jnaab yahi to raaj hai ki romans Troy ke baad hi kyon ubhare, jara indepth story padhiye Troy ki to baat saamne aa jayegi aapke, vaise bhi jaroori nahin hota ki sirf wo hi blame ya game-changer hota hai jo direct scene mein hota hai, asali game changers to indirect players hi hote hain.

Phool ji, your posts are expansive but filled with your own unique notions of events. Nothing wrong with that except that it helps to include some logic and facts to your notions instead f just rhetoric.

We are all educated enough not to support any party blindly - AAP or otherwise. None on JL are die hard supporters. We are all watchful, but yes some comments like yours do border more on the cynical then watchful side of things. Its a new party finding its feet in an old system. But calling them names and making weird and unfounded insinuations does not add to the discussion.

At least you could use better examples than blaming Romans for Troy, especially when the battle of Troy was fought between the Greeks and the Trojans. The Romans came a good century after the Greek civilization had ended as we knew it.

Hoping for a much better and insightful discussion with you on this.

 

[phoolkumar]

Guys aap log maano ya na maano but ........... Region based reservations are against the integrity of a large democracy like us but some of the fools are putting their individual interests before country's interest. This reservation system in Delhi University will deny chance mostly to the young teenagers from Haryana , UP and Rajsthaan of the neighboring areas to get education in one of the best universities in India.

Aur yahi meri worries hain! Ye regionbase resevation ka jhunjhna aur kuchh nahin sivaay Haryana, U.P. and Rajshthan aur upto somehow Punjab ke local students ki Delhi mein entry kam karne ke! aur in regions se entry kam hui to sabse jyada aapki hi kaum ke bachchon ka nuksan hona hai! kyonki Bihar-Bengal side se to vaise bhi apne waalon se ooper ki merit ke hi admission hote hain!

 

[phoolkumar]

आशुतोष ने इस्तीफ़ा नही दिया बल्कि उसे लतियाया गया है-

आशुतोष ने इस्तीफा नहीं दिया है, खराब परफारमेंस पर निकाला गया है
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आशुतोष के आईबीएन7 से इस्तीफा देने की बात झूठी है. उन्हें निकाला गया है. ऐसा दावा नेटवर्क18 से जुड़े एक वरिष्ठ व भरोसेमंद पदाधिकारी ने भड़ास4मीडिया से बातचीत में. सूत्र का कहना है कि आशुतोष के नेतृत्व में आईबीएन7 का लगातार पतन हुआ. यह न्यूज चैनल कभी टीआरपी के मामले में नंबर चार तक पहुंच गया था लेकिन वर्षों से यह आखिरी पायदान पर पड़ा हुआ है. अब तो यह नौवें नंबर पर आ चुका है.
कंटेंट से लेकर मैनेजमेंट तक के मामले में आशुतोष फेल रहे और न्यूज चैनल चलाने के नाम पर केवल खुद की ब्रांडिंग करते रहे. प्रबंधन ने पहले आशुतोष की सहमति से सैकड़ों लोगों को चैनल से निकाला और जब सबका सफाया कर लिया तो आशुतोष को भी इशारा कर दिया कि वे खुद निकल जाएं अन्यथा उन्हें बाहर कर दिया जाएगा. यह भी कहा जा रहा है कि आईबीएन7 से इस्तीफा देने वाले ढेर सारे वरिष्ठ पत्रकारों ने एचआर को एक्जिट इंटरव्यू में चैनल फेल्योर के लिए केवल आशुतोष का नाम लिया. साथ ही अन्य कई ऐसी जानकारियां दीं जो आशुतोष के खिलाफ गईं.
आशुतोष को मैनेजिंग एडिटर के रूप में कोई नया व कायदे का चैनल मिल नहीं रहा था. वे विनोद कापड़ी की तरह चिटफंडिया संपादक बनना नहीं चाह रहे थे. इस बीच आम आदमी पार्टी ने दिल्ली विधानसभा चुनावों में झंडा गाड़ दिया. अवसर व मौके को भांपने में माहिर आशुतोष ने आम आदमी पार्टी के नेताओं से सीधे संपर्क साधा और उन्हें अपने भरोसे व आभामंडल के अधीन किया.
इसी बीच अंदरुनी तौर पर यह डील तय हो गई कि आशुतोष इस्तीफ देकर राजनीति में आएं और आम आदमी पार्टी से चुनाव लड़ें. आशुतोष ने आम आदमी पार्टी वालों के सामने खुद को इस्तीफा देने जैसा शहीदाना कार्य करने वाला पेश किया. 'आप' वाले भी इस दबाव में आकर उन्हें लोकसभा टिकट देने का वादा कर बैठे. पर अब जब आशुतोष की सच्चाई एक-एक कर सामने आ रही है तो 'आप' नेता भी सकते में हैं. आशुतोष की छवि मीडिया जगत में कार्पोरेट फ्रेंडली जर्नलिस्ट की रही हैं. आईबीएन7 से निकाले गए सैकड़ों कर्मचारियों के समर्थन में जो धरना प्रदर्शन आईबीएन7 गेट के सामने हुआ उसमें लोग आशुतोष को अंबानी का दलाल बताकर नारेबाजी करते रहे.

 

[cooljat]

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-> जब तक सरकार जनलोकपाल नहीं लाती हम आमरण अनशन करेंगे ........... स्वाहा

-> हम कभी भी सक्रिय राजनीति में नहीं आयेंगे ............ स्वाहा

-> जब तक सरकार बिजली के दामो में कटौती नहीं करती हम अनशन करेंगे .......... स्वाहा

-> हमारी पार्टी में कोई भी बीजेपी-कांग्रेस का व्यक्ति नहीं शामिल होगा ........... स्वाहा

-> हम राजनीति में कभी धर्म का इस्तेमाल नहीं करेंगे ............ स्वाहा

-> मेरे बच्चों की कसम हम कभी कांग्रेस-बीजेपी से गठबंधन नहीं करेंगे ........... स्वाहा

-> हम ना समर्थन लेंगे ना देंगे ............ स्वाहा

-> हम 15 दिन में जनलोकपाल लागू करेंगे ............ स्वाहा

-> हम अन्ना को कभी नहीं भूलेंगे ............ स्वाहा

-> हम सरकारी आवास नहीं लेंगे ........... स्वाहा

-> हम निजी वाहन व v.i.p नंबर नहीं लेंगे ............ स्वाहा

-> हम लाल बत्ती नहीं लेंगे ............ स्वाहा

-> सरकार बनते ही हम हर एक भ्रष्टाचारी पर कारवाही करेंगे ........... स्वाहा

इति श्री आम आदमी पार्टी प्रथम अध्याय कथा समाप्त!

 

[swaich]

Janaab aap har baar, "Hoping for a much better and insightful discussion with you on this."

But ye discussion hote to nahin aapke, mere khyaal se bhaut se posts aapke is line ke sath end hote hain but ye new discussions kahin hote nahin aapke.

That comment was a request to not deviate from the topic of the thread. I didnt want to stretch unnecessary arguments if they dont belong in a thread. Talking about the Kashmir issue in a thread about AAP is off topic. In fact the Kashmir issue is so big and complex that it will derail any thread. So its best to discuss it in a separate thread.

But if you see it as an attempt to evade your arguments, then you can't be more mistaken.

Rahi baat romans ki to jnaab yahi to raaj hai ki romans Troy ke baad hi kyon ubhare, jara indepth story padhiye Troy ki to baat saamne aa jayegi aapke, vaise bhi jaroori nahin hota ki sirf wo hi blame ya game-changer hota hai jo direct scene mein hota hai, asali game changers to indirect players hi hote hain.

So Romans emerged as a result of the destruction of Troy as they had a hand in it ? Sir ji why discredit your intellect further? The Trojan War, which is in fact a mythological event possibly inspired by real battles, supposedly occurred around 1200 BC and was described by Homer in about 700BC. The Roman civilization is said to have begun the same time, i.e. around 700 BC but it really reaached its zenith around 100BC.

I am sorry for the history lesson, but its serves an example of how you attach irrelevant and fallacious examples to your arguments.

 

[phoolkumar]

Bhai sahab, is article pe second paragraph ki last line padh lo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War

jaise aaj aapko pata chal raha hai na is thread ke jariye ki "Trojan" war mein Romans ke ancestors the, aise hi AAP waalon ke peechhe koi aur hai (jisko ki main jaan chuka hu already), aapko tab jaanne ko milega jab Troy war ho chuka hoga!

Please check all fact before commenting or making ur mind about/on someone's intellect or source of information.

Rahi baat Kashmir ke mudde ki to jnaab jab AAP ke member is mudde ko AAP mein hote hue uthaate hain to main kyon na AAP ke thread pe is mudde ko uthaau? alag se kyon uthaaun isko?

That comment was a request to not deviate from the topic of the thread. I didnt want to stretch unnecessary arguments if they dont belong in a thread. Talking about the Kashmir issue in a thread about AAP is off topic. In fact the Kashmir issue is so big and complex that it will derail any thread. So its best to discuss it in a separate thread.

But if you see it as an attempt to evade your arguments, then you can't be more mistaken.



So Romans emerged as a result of the destruction of Troy as they had a hand in it ? Sir ji why discredit your intellect further? The Trojan War, which is in fact a mythological event possibly inspired by real battles, supposedly occurred around 1200 BC and was described by Homer in about 700BC. The Roman civilization is said to have begun the same time, i.e. around 700 BC but it really reaached its zenith around 100BC.

I am sorry for the history lesson, but its serves an example of how you attach irrelevant and fallacious examples to your arguments.

 

[swaich]

Bhai sahab, is article pe second paragraph ki last line padh lo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War

jaise aaj aapko pata chal raha hai na is thread ke jariye ki "Trojan" war mein Romans ke ancestors the, aise hi AAP waalon ke peechhe koi aur hai (jisko ki main jaan chuka hu already), aapko tab jaanne ko milega jab Troy war ho chuka hoga! Please check all fact before commenting or making ur mind about/on someone's intellect or source of information.

The line says Romans traced their ancestry to one of the Trojan survivors of the Trojan war. Is that the same as Romans helping destroy Troy? Sir ji, khud hi apne examples or quotes mein fass rahe ho. Jaane do ab.

Rahi baat Kashmir ke mudde ki to jnaab jab AAP ke member is mudde ko AAP mein hote hue uthaate hain to main kyon na AAP ke thread pe is mudde ko uthaau? alag se kyon uthaaun isko?

Because as I explained, Kashmir is a huge topic. Further AAP hasn't taken any stand on the Kashmir issue. Extrapolating Prashant Bhushan's comments as AAP's official stand is without basis and needless twisting to suit your point of view.

Anyway, you are used to monologues. So please don't let me stop you from writing more 1000 word posts embellished with irrelevant examples and your own preconceived notions. Carry on Jatta.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

While this is off topic to the discussion of this thread, but I do agree partially with Prashant Bhushan. AFSPA should be withdrawn, as it increases dissatisfaction among the common Kashmiris against the Indian state which is the prime reason for the Kashmir problem. But I don't think plebiscite is the way to remove AFSPA or to decide Kashmir's fate.

Solving Kashmir will ease the relations with Pakistan alongwith freeing up massive military and economic resources.

But what is the solution.

 

[phoolkumar]

First point, if to relate Sikhs before 15th century when Sikhism was established, then to whom you would connect them to? Either Hindus or Muslims from where Sikh Sangat emerged, no? If to take notion on any pre-Sikhism incident for proud or historical matter with whom you connect the Sikhs? The same is the logic I used to prove my connectivity of Romans to war of Troy?

Second point, you seem going paralysed in last 3-4 posts from you, where you have competely derailed yourself from the debate and has engaged me in this of no use Roman point (which infact was used just as a reference example) in this debate, doest this point matters so much for this debate in any sense? So please before preaching me on to keep the debate to the point, please implement it on urself first.

You know when and at what moments in a debate someone guesses of words like "monologues", "embellished", "irrelevant" etc, only then when someone has no weight or point to prove own stand on points raised on debate. And who has derailed from the debate let the Jatlanders decide it. You are a participator in this debate so you can't play two roles like "Chit bhi meri aur pat bhi meri". Means until you kept proving your points to the point of debate then fine otherwise you know very smartly how and when in a debate to use words like "monologues"..... etc.

So kind request to you, if you have lost weight on points directly related to debate then better take a pause and rethink and then come again brother!

The line says Romans traced their ancestry to one of the Trojan survivors of the Trojan war. Is that the same as Romans helping destroy Troy? Sir ji, khud hi apne examples or quotes mein fass rahe ho. Jaane do ab.

Because as I explained, Kashmir is a huge topic. Further AAP hasn't taken any stand on the Kashmir issue. Extrapolating Prashant Bhushan's comments as AAP's official stand is without basis and needless twisting to suit your point of view.

Anyway, you are used to monologues. So please don't let me stop you from writing more 1000 word posts embellished with irrelevant examples and your own preconceived notions. Carry on Jatta.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

While this is off topic to the discussion of this thread, but I do agree partially with Prashant Bhushan. AFSPA should be withdrawn, as it increases dissatisfaction among the common Kashmiris against the Indian state which is the prime reason for the Kashmir problem. .............

Do people of Jammu Kashmir not come under Indian State or does Indian Army not serve there to save their life and property ! Do many army officers and personnel not facing the music on account of so called 'violation of human rights, notwithstanding presence of AFSPA.

Further, People like senior member of AAP Prashant Bhushan successfully generate controversy to remain in news whether for good cause or the bad one. When the ill-conceived utterances backfired, they became his personal views ! Does he personally belong to AAP or not !! If he is member of the party, his personal views reflect Party line of thinking !!

 

[drrajpalsingh]

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As a party AAP or Kejriwal has made no statement that compromises India's current stand on the Kashmir issue. Yes, Bhushan has made his views known but those are his personal opinions.
All of your above comments are off topic for this thread and we should perhaps discuss it in another thread if that's ok with you. I will be glad to discuss further on this with you.

If Prashant Bhushan has violated the party policy statement on Jammu and Kashmir, what action party has initiated against him and could anybody elaborate what is the AAP Policy on removal of AFSPA in Jammu and Kashmir.