Challenges and Chances before AAP

[drrajpalsingh]

Fine. Then you think even Congress and BJP are equally bad as they have bad people in every party. Even I agree with you on this.
But, interestingly, in your recent posts, you have been talking about all bad things of AAP only. Why such a favor to Congress sir?

Friend,

I am not saying that every party, not even AAP, consist of bad people only. Rather, there are some bunch of peoples who have joined almost every party and they must be identified, isolated, exposed and rejected at the time of elections to strengthen the institutions of democracy in the country !

Reg. your point number 2, the reason for the same is clear to everyone : please read the thread heading !

Thanks and regards,

 

[drrajpalsingh]

मेरे ख्याल से जब तक केजरीवाल आम था तब तक आम था अब वो खास हो गया है तो उसमे खास लोगो के गुण तो आएंगे ही |:livid:

Rightly summed up !

 

[desijat]

भाई कोई मेरे दफ्तर पे आ के भी धरना दे दो ताकि मुझे भी १ महीने कि पैड लीव मिल जाये

 

[swaich]

You fail to understand Friend what I have been sharing with the members on the issue of the Promises made and fulfilled by the AAP. Like many of the Delhi people I had also pined my hopes on this party's claim as a 'different' party which believed in alleviation of the status of suffering people of Delhi. But alas ! they have grasped all the ingredients of the existing political parties in the country within a short span of time throwing all idealism preached during elections to dust. Hunger for pelf and power has instead emerged as the sole motto.

The speeches of Mr. Kejariwal and his cabinet are on record that they started the DHARNA demanding suspension of 4-5 Cops who did not cooperate the 'directions' of their Cabinet colleague to carry out raid in the night on the supposed drug pedaller foreign girls and the like. The rest of the demands were added later on to 'justify their Dharna' when the support for their ill thought out action dwindled beyond measure !

Were the Ministers of Delhi not requested earlier to wait for the findings of the Judicial committee report and also that was there any mention of the demand of full statehood for Delhi up to the time the Dharna started.

On the other hand, now the cat is out of the bag and every one is aware about the innocence of the 'girls' harassed on that night as medical reports have proved. Would the concerned minister resign owning moral duty on this count, is a big question.

Has any of the demand of the Delhi cabinet accepted that they claim a victory of the drama enacted !

There was nothing strange watching the CM and his cabinet sitting on a dharna; but the issue for which they did so was indeed strange ! And stranger is their claim of 'VICTORY."

Would you like to add here what sort of 'victory' they won at the venue of Dharna near Rail Bhavan.

You didn't answer any of my questions. All criticism and no alternatives, eh?

Are you sure AAP has not met any of its promises? I know they haven't met all of their promises yet,but even a cursory glance at news would tell you that they have initiated steps to fulfill their most important promises related to the needs of the common man.

There are videos of Malviya Nagar residents who have complained regularly to the police against the African nationals. Evidently no action was taken. I agree, it is not right to harass African women as done by Bharti but the issue is linked with police not being answerable to the state govt.. Hence the dharna.

By doing a dharna, AAP proved that they will try alternate means if normal measures don't work. As long as these means don't break any laws, it should be fine if they even get small victories.

 

[samarkadian]

Bhai Kumar viswas,kejri and party karde hoye camera ki light ke pache baaj rhe hai....they want congress support withdraw karle, janta ki sympathy mil jayegi...Jo momentum mila tha inhe usse bahut bada jhatka lag lia aur lagan lag rha hai......Honesty certificate by AAP sponsored by AAP....Kuch nhi sun na...kuch nhi karna rolla machan te matlab....Opportunist jo gaila lag rhe hai wo bhi ticket declare hoye pache apne thikane pahuch lenge.

Whats wrong with that ? Congress BJP or any other party would have done the same or worse than this. Prikishit, you got to understand that it is going to take some time to test these guys atleast for next general elections. As of rule there could not be any no confidence motion can come in next 6 months. It is good for democracy that general public is getting one more option in AAP, its good as it can be.

 

[samarkadian]

You fail to understand Friend what I have been sharing with the members on the issue of the Promises made and fulfilled by the AAP. Like many of the Delhi people I had also pined my hopes on this party's claim as a 'different' party which believed in alleviation of the status of suffering people of Delhi. But alas ! they have grasped all the ingredients of the existing political parties in the country within a short span of time throwing all idealism preached during elections to dust. Hunger for pelf and power has instead emerged as the sole motto.

The speeches of Mr. Kejariwal and his cabinet are on record that they started the DHARNA demanding suspension of 4-5 Cops who did not cooperate the 'directions' of their Cabinet colleague to carry out raid in the night on the supposed drug pedaller foreign girls and the like. The rest of the demands were added later on to 'justify their Dharna' when the support for their ill thought out action dwindled beyond measure !

Were the Ministers of Delhi not requested earlier to wait for the findings of the Judicial committee report and also that was there any mention of the demand of full statehood for Delhi up to the time the Dharna started.

On the other hand, now the cat is out of the bag and every one is aware about the innocence of the 'girls' harassed on that night as medical reports have proved. Would the concerned minister resign owning moral duty on this count, is a big question.

Has any of the demand of the Delhi cabinet accepted that they claim a victory of the drama enacted !

There was nothing strange watching the CM and his cabinet sitting on a dharna; but the issue for which they did so was indeed strange ! And stranger is their claim of 'VICTORY."

Would you like to add here what sort of 'victory' they won at the venue of Dharna near Rail Bhavan.

Thank you friend for your views. They seem to be very nice and ideal but nonetheless very naive.

 

[phoolkumar]

किधर हैं मैडम कविता कृषणन आप?:

विगत सात सितम्बर को जब मुज़फ्फरनगर में हिंदुओं पर हो रही एक तरफ़ा पुलिसिया कार्यवाही से नाराज समुदाय का संज्ञान लेते हुए गठवाला खाप के चौधरी दादा हरकिशन सिंह मलिक जी ने "बहु-बेटी का मान बचाओ" शीर्षक से सर्वखाप महापंचायत की थी तो ऐपवा (जो कि लेफ्ट वालों का एक संगठन है) की (निर्देशक -शायद) कविता कृषणन ने कहा था कि यह महापंचायत और कुछ भी नहीं सिवाय मेल-डोमिनांसी के दुसरे स्वरूप के, जो कि ऐसे-ऐसे संवेंदनशील मौकों में औरत को कैसे दबाया जाए, उसके बहाने ढूं...ढती है (मैडम की जुबान में उन्हीं का ब्यान इस विडियो से सुन सकते हैं -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOTk9jHL34c-।), तो मैडम अब ये "माँ-बहन-बेटी" (विडियो सलंगित - http://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/khabron-ki-khabar/306414) की ही इज्जत की दुहाई ये "आप" पार्टी के महाशय सोमनाथ भारती जी जो दे रहे हैं, इसपे इतनी ख़ामोशी क्यों धारण कर रखी है (शायद इसलिए कि "आप" कहीं न कहीं लेफ्ट की विचारधारा को आगे बढ़ाती है या फिर "आप" के ये सोमनाथ भारती और "आप" उन सब मनगढंत और घिनौने आरोपों से ऊपर हैं जो आपने सर्वखाप पे लगाते हुए थोड़ी सी भी झिझक ना दिखाई थी?)? शर्म करो कुछ शर्म, ओ! देश के समाज-सुधार की ठेकेदारो|

तुम जैसे दोहरे रवैय्ये के ठेकेदार बैठे हैं समाज में तभी तो समाज नहीं सुधर रहा| अगर जो आपने झूठे से भी सोमनाथ भारती और आप वालों को उसी अंदाज में घेरा हो जिसमें आपने उस खाप-महापंचायत पे ही सवाल खड़े कर दिए थे? लहजा देखो और रवैय्या देखो अपना जा के दर्पण में, तो शायद खुद से खुद को कुछ लज्जा आ जाए आपको| - Phool Kumar Malik

 

[desijat]

किधर मैडम कविता कृषणन आप?:

विगत सात सितम्बर को जब मुज़फ्फरनगर में हिंदुओं पर हो रही एक तरफ़ा पुलिसिया कार्यवाही से नाराज समुदाय का संज्ञान लेते हुए गठवाला खाप के चौधरी दादा हरकिशन सिंह मलिक जी ने "बहु-बेटी का मान बचाओ" शीर्षक से सर्वखाप महापंचायत की थी तो ऐपवा (जो कि लेफ्ट वालों का एक संगठन है) की (निर्देशक -शायद) कविता कृषणन ने कहा था कि यह महापंचायत और कुछ भी नहीं सिवाय मेल-डोमिनांसी के दुसरे स्वरूप के, जो कि ऐसे-ऐसे संवेंदनशील मौकों में औरत को कैसे दबाया जाए, उसके बहाने ढूं...ढती है (मैडम की जुबान में उन्हीं का ब्यान इस विडियो से सुन सकते हैं -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOTk9jHL34c-।), तो मैडम अब ये "माँ-बहन-बेटी" (विडियो सलंगित - http://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/khabron-ki-khabar/306414) की ही इज्जत की दुहाई ये "आप" पार्टी के महाशय सोमनाथ भारती जी जो दे रहे हैं, इसपे इतनी ख़ामोशी क्यों धारण कर रखी है (शायद इसलिए कि "आप" कहीं न कहीं लेफ्ट की विचारधारा को आगे बढ़ाती है या फिर "आप" के ये सोमनाथ भारती और "आप" उन सब मनगढंत और घिनौने आरोपों से ऊपर हैं जो आपने सर्वखाप पे लगाते हुए थोड़ी सी भी झिझक ना दिखाई थी?)? शर्म करो कुछ शर्म, ओ! देश के समाज-सुधार की ठेकेदारो|

तुम जैसे दोहरे रवैय्ये के ठेकेदार बैठे हैं समाज में तभी तो समाज नहीं सुधर रहा| अगर जो आपने झूठे से भी सोमनाथ भारती और आप वालों को उसी अंदाज में घेरा हो जिसमें आपने उस खाप-महापंचायत पे ही सवाल खड़े कर दिए थे? लहजा देखो और रवैय्या देखो अपना जा के दर्पण में, तो शायद खुद से खुद को कुछ लज्जा आ जाए आपको| - Phool Kumar Malik

Phool Bhai,

I read your post right after I ended up seeing : http://ibnlive.in.com/cnnibnvideos/top-in/447210.html and I have seen her on NDTV too raising voice against Somnath Bharti.

It is good to take on people, but it is better to research before blaming them.

 

[phoolkumar]

So you want to say that what she said about that Khap-Mahapanchayat was logical in any sense? Wasn't that statement made in hay and haste? I mean listen her on that mahapanchayat and the stupid logic she put while connecting the panchayat to male-dominancy attitude? What does she wanted to press on that let our women be ill-treated by who-so-ever but don't speak or raise ur voice in their favor, otherwise it would be seen as a kind of male-dominancy supression instead of what exactly in the spirit it was. Desi Jat, brother watch her take on that panchayat and you would come to see, what the point I am coming up with and how differently she is coming on two issues of same title. Just compare the two.

Phool Bhai,

I read your post right after I ended up seeing : http://ibnlive.in.com/cnnibnvideos/top-in/447210.html and I have seen her on NDTV too raising voice against Somnath Bharti.

It is good to take on people, but it is better to research before blaming them.

 

[phoolkumar]

Sangwan ke teri jhoti khol li maine, jo jab dekho mere paachhai padya raha sai? Kyun khakhaavai nadi, main tere mh paanv dyun na dyun!

Congress/BJP kumhaar ke aak pe se utari hui wo pakki haandi ho chuki hain, jinko ab new shape mein nahin dhala ja sakta, jabki AAP abhi-abhi aak pe chadi hai, yaani kachchi hai, jisko ki shape mein karne ki gunjais hai, isliye mujhe jo lagta hai wo bol deta hu, baaki tu dil pe na liya kar..... nahin to khamkha main badnaam ho jayuanga ak logaan ke bhadak baitha dyun su! Bhai baksh de, maafi de! Dhanyawaad!

Foolophobia = भड़क करणा !

प्रयोग : इस आदमी ने भड़क कर राखी स ! सेध ग्या इस ने केजरीवाल ... आर भड़क पूरी जाट कौम के !
सारे के सारे 1500 words limit aale "प्रस्ताव" केजरीवॉल की आलोचना के लिखे स।.. :livid: :livid:
कांग्रेस/BJP के खिलाफ ना लिखता एक भी लाइन ! उड़े सारे सही सूधे आर जाट कौम की भलाई आले बैठे सें के बेरा !

 

[phoolkumar]

naa ji janaab jhoothi baat, main to keedi ke dard na hone dyun aur aapne to mere ko shayyad bana diya! na-na hujur ya to ek seedhe-saadhe maanas gel jyadati kar di aapne!

फूल साहब, एक शेयर याद आया I

न मरने की इज़ाज़त है ना फ़रयाद की
यों ही घुट घुट कर मर जाएँ ये मर्ज़ी है मेरे सैयाद की I

आपकी बात से सहमत हो कर आपकी भूरी भूरी प्रशंशा करें तो मुश्किल, अगर आपसे भिन्न मत रखें तो मुश्किल I

जाएँ तो जाएँ कहाँ, आखिर समझेगा कौन यहाँ दर्द भरे दिल की सदा।

सर जी आप यों ना रूठा कीजिये, हमारा दिल बैठ जाता है I आपकी दोस्ती और भाईचारे के लिए हज़ारों नेता कुर्बान I बस यूं ही बने रहिये और अपनी कलम के या key-board के जलवे बखेरते रहिये, चाहे निडाना रहिये या पेरिस रहिये परन्तु अपने विचारों की झड़ी लगIते रहिये I

 

[phoolkumar]

legal hai peena, that we all know brother, but lokhit mein dharna dete hue, log daaru bhi peete hain, yah pahli baar dekha! wo kyaa hai ki dharne ke time aap daaru peete ho to fir dharne ka maksad serious nahin rah jata na, thoda fade ho jata hai, isliye awkward sa laga!

dost daaru peene mie kiya galat hie...legal hie daaru peena...aap isse kiya illegal prove kerna chate ho..??

Ya phir koi aur objection hie...

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Thank you friend for your views. They seem to be very nice and ideal but nonetheless very naive.

Friend,

What is 'very naive' in the views under reference, would you kindly elaborate !

Thanks,

 

[drrajpalsingh]

You didn't answer any of my questions. All criticism and no alternatives, eh?

Are you sure AAP has not met any of its promises? I know they haven't met all of their promises yet,but even a cursory glance at news would tell you that they have initiated steps to fulfill their most important promises related to the needs of the common man.

There are videos of Malviya Nagar residents who have complained regularly to the police against the African nationals. Evidently no action was taken. I agree, it is not right to harass African women as done by Bharti but the issue is linked with police not being answerable to the state govt.. Hence the dharna.

By doing a dharna, AAP proved that they will try alternate means if normal measures don't work. As long as these means don't break any laws, it should be fine if they even get small victories.

Friend,

Yes, they have initiated a few ad hoc and symbolic steps to implement their manifesto promises, but all are aware that not in the letter and spirit of the promises made. Let us see what corrective steps they are going to make in the budget to be passed for the new fiscal year to prove their worthiness!

Now coming to your points on the recent demonstration:

Do you think taking some women in custody at the night without getting search warrants is legal !

Do you think staging dharna as legal at the place where meeting of more than five persons had been banned ?

Did the protesters won so called victory without breaking the law against unlawful assembly near Rail Bhavan or not ?

As of now the AAP leaders have yielded to wait for the Judicial Inquiry report findings, was this not the position prior to staging of Victory Demonstration.

What is the moral authority of the minister to continue in his present position when 'erring' cops have been sent to forced leave.

These are some of the questions that agitate the minds of the sympathetic people towards the new political party i.e. AAP .
Thanks and regards

 

[drrajpalsingh]

legal hai peena, that we all know brother, but lokhit mein dharna dete hue, log daaru bhi peete hain, yah pahli baar dekha! wo kyaa hai ki dharne ke time aap daaru peete ho to fir dharne ka maksad serious nahin rah jata na, thoda fade ho jata hai, isliye awkward sa laga!

I do not know if they did or did not take wine at the demonstration site but taking liquor at public places is not legal act!

 

[anilsangwan]

Dear - Wait till May 2014. Most of the Congress leaders will be "jobless" and then you can ask them for this kind favor !! Plan your 1 month paid holidays accordingly.

भाई कोई मेरे दफ्तर पे आ के भी धरना दे दो ताकि मुझे भी १ महीने कि पैड लीव मिल जाये

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Whats wrong with that ? Congress BJP or any other party would have done the same or worse than this. Prikishit, you got to understand that it is going to take some time to test these guys atleast for next general elections. As of rule there could not be any no confidence motion can come in next 6 months. It is good for democracy that general public is getting one more option in AAP, its good as it can be.

We welcome the 'new alternative' but it must show and prove that is new and different from the existing political parties in positives not in gimmicks like the one that was witnessed near the Rail Bhavan for no rhyme and reason !

Within this period they have to pass the Delhi Budget and if they do not perform in the interest.

Thanks and regards

 

[anilsangwan]

Dear friend,

Dont you think that they have done it differently in a positive manner? Sheila Dikshit always kept on saying that Delhi Police was not under her control and nothing beyond that. Kejriwal has at least protested against this openly and fighting hard to get it. Protest + paper work in the background - both are needed to get something from "shameless" people like "Havaldar turned Home Minister Shinde".

Do you think it will be a complete disaster if Delhi Police is allowed to work under the guidance of Delhi Govt.... OR at least dual reporting structure?? If not, then Kejriwal's protest is not fully gimmick. In the current scenario, situation is like a Professor allowed to teach in a class but not allowed to control the back bencher elements, only Principal authorised to scold them. It can not function better.


Further, as I said earlier - they need some time to prove themselves. Let them complete few months before they are signed off.

We welcome the 'new alternative' but it must show and prove that is new and different from the existing political parties in positives not in gimmicks like the one that was witnessed near the Rail Bhavan for no rhyme and reason !

 

[prikshit]

Whats wrong with that ? Congress BJP or any other party would have done the same or worse than this. Prikishit, you got to understand that it is going to take some time to test these guys atleast for next general elections. As of rule there could not be any no confidence motion can come in next 6 months. It is good for democracy that general public is getting one more option in AAP, its good as it can be.

Samar bhai,
I won't say wrong or right here, with little understanding that I have, AAP jumping into LS may prove fatal as it may lead to hung assembly and just like IK gujral, devegoda era (Mulla yadav and other sickulars may spread their arms). Time to bhai AAP ko mila hai aur aage bhi milega, but unki harkate dekh lag nhi rha ki wo serious hai, ab tak kitni bar wo stand change kar chuke hai, bhai option milna acha hai par ye kehna ki we are different hai janta aur sarkar ka majak banana kaha tak jayaj hai ye you know better than me. Baaki bhai tu mere te bada se justify karke nu bta de ak kis tayi vote dena thik se LS 2014 me, teri baat palle pad gyi to meri vote udde ee padegi....

 

[singhvp]

Phool Bhai,

I read your post right after I ended up seeing : http://ibnlive.in.com/cnnibnvideos/top-in/447210.html and I have seen her on NDTV too raising voice against Somnath Bharti.

It is good to take on people, but it is better to research before blaming them.

I watched her yesterday and found that she is a typical phrase-mongerer like some other left-wing crusaders (like J.Sangwan) without any substantial agenda and solution. The problem of India's leftwingers and rightwingers both is that they are always in criticism-mode only bordering fanaticism and not habituated to see whatever little logic their adversaries might have. Her comments as well as the prejudicial behaviour of the anchor were utter nonsense. They both didn't let the AAP spokesperson speak.