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Chautala menace set to end in Haryana!
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chhoraharyanada
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chautala is an idiot.
i will never accept a foreigner as PM. never!
i will never accept a foreigner as PM. never!
naveen_chaudhary
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Well! Whether we like it or not but Sonia stands a good chance of becoming the PM now after the results.
It's sad that such a large country and no one's fit to become the PM. Someone's who is there just by virtue of 'marrying' in a dominating political family is going to rule the nation.
But then it's democracy!
It's sad that such a large country and no one's fit to become the PM. Someone's who is there just by virtue of 'marrying' in a dominating political family is going to rule the nation.
But then it's democracy!
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abhishek
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Italians are scums of Europe and now India has an Italian woman to rule over.....60 odd years back atleast it were british...seems like even quality of colonial rulers ruling India is going down.
And for god sake don´t call it democracy , it will be an insult to best institution built ever, this is plain mobocracy.
And for god sake don´t call it democracy , it will be an insult to best institution built ever, this is plain mobocracy.
brainspeak
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so u want to say whoever else comes to power will be a better leader??
and ramandeep why do u call him an idiot??.....can u support ur statement??.....
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chautala is an idiot.
and ramandeep why do u call him an idiot??.....can u support ur statement??.....
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chautala is an idiot.
thats been really bad day for vajpayee ji, actually this time thirteen proved to be really unlucky for him. in his first stint as pm he was pm for 13 days and then headed the 13th lokshaba as pm. but this 13th may proved to be a bitter experience for him. he ahd really done a lot for the country. should have been given a another chance. its all for sure that chautala is not gonna come back to power anyway in haryana.
Dear All,
Too many issues will have to be touched upon in my reply to whether we will accept a foreigner as a PM or not.
Let me first deal with the Haryana election result. Chautala is still the CM and elections were only held for the PARLIAMENT and not the State assembly. In any case as far as Haryana is concerned one 'Lal' will be replaced by another 'Lal' and I and you will keep discussing this issue till cows come home. A word about Sonepat (I am proud to being a resident of Sonepat). Like always the people have voted against the wave. When Congress use to win in the 60s and 70s, we voted for Jan Sangh and now again we are different. The result. No development then and no developement in future.
Let us not generalise people and communities as 'Idiots' and 'Scums'. Have you tried asking others as to how they feel about Indians? I would accept anyone to be PM as long as he/she is a citizen of India, is elected, and elected as leader of his/her party and accepted by the coalition partners. As simple as that. As long as he/she can make a difference to the life of the common man, good. If he/she dosen't deliver, the public would deal with them in the next elections. It has been proved again and again that you can't fool the public.
Mobocracy or democracy, the fact is that the common man of the country has gone out and voted. It is people who don't vote crib the maximum. It is not surprising that the polling percentage in the Kashmir Valley was more than South Mumbai.
I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? And if India can't produce one leader capable enough to win a majority and lead our nation it is a matter of concern. And what foreign rule are we taking about here. All our foreign policy, economic policy and even domestic policy is controlled by institutions like the IMF and World Bank.
History will prove that Vajpayee was a great PM and a great man in a wrong party.
Regards,
Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
Too many issues will have to be touched upon in my reply to whether we will accept a foreigner as a PM or not.
Let me first deal with the Haryana election result. Chautala is still the CM and elections were only held for the PARLIAMENT and not the State assembly. In any case as far as Haryana is concerned one 'Lal' will be replaced by another 'Lal' and I and you will keep discussing this issue till cows come home. A word about Sonepat (I am proud to being a resident of Sonepat). Like always the people have voted against the wave. When Congress use to win in the 60s and 70s, we voted for Jan Sangh and now again we are different. The result. No development then and no developement in future.
Let us not generalise people and communities as 'Idiots' and 'Scums'. Have you tried asking others as to how they feel about Indians? I would accept anyone to be PM as long as he/she is a citizen of India, is elected, and elected as leader of his/her party and accepted by the coalition partners. As simple as that. As long as he/she can make a difference to the life of the common man, good. If he/she dosen't deliver, the public would deal with them in the next elections. It has been proved again and again that you can't fool the public.
Mobocracy or democracy, the fact is that the common man of the country has gone out and voted. It is people who don't vote crib the maximum. It is not surprising that the polling percentage in the Kashmir Valley was more than South Mumbai.
I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? And if India can't produce one leader capable enough to win a majority and lead our nation it is a matter of concern. And what foreign rule are we taking about here. All our foreign policy, economic policy and even domestic policy is controlled by institutions like the IMF and World Bank.
History will prove that Vajpayee was a great PM and a great man in a wrong party.
Regards,
Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
Just think with broader mind.Mrs Gandhi single handedly revived INC and came brought back to power. Once again democracy prevailed. By voting a 'foreigner' to the helm of the power, Indians have confirmed their broad social and cultural outlook rooted in Hinduism.
Shame on all those who bring up these low mentallity of foreign origin issue and forgot about her sufferings. As an indian with some morality still left, I not only congratulate her but salute her for all the hardship she personally had to gone through to achieve this. Well deserved and hard earned. Lets wait and watch, how she does? She can be kicked out sooner than Vajpayee, if not performed well.
BJP and allies have done nothing to our nation other than creating communal lines and trouble and taxes for poor and rural people. With economic boom, BJP made rich people richer and poor people poorer, filling their own pockets. Same thing happened in Andhra. I am not surprized in BJP rule, Indian has reached number 2 in corruption after Indonasia.
rightly said malik saheb:
"I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? "
quote]Naveen Chaudhary (May 13, 2004 11:23 a.m.):
Well! Whether we like it or not but Sonia stands a good chance of becoming the PM now after the results.
It's sad that such a large country and no one's fit to become the PM. Someone's who is there just by virtue of 'marrying' in a dominating political family is going to rule the nation.
But then it's democracy![/quote]
Shame on all those who bring up these low mentallity of foreign origin issue and forgot about her sufferings. As an indian with some morality still left, I not only congratulate her but salute her for all the hardship she personally had to gone through to achieve this. Well deserved and hard earned. Lets wait and watch, how she does? She can be kicked out sooner than Vajpayee, if not performed well.
BJP and allies have done nothing to our nation other than creating communal lines and trouble and taxes for poor and rural people. With economic boom, BJP made rich people richer and poor people poorer, filling their own pockets. Same thing happened in Andhra. I am not surprized in BJP rule, Indian has reached number 2 in corruption after Indonasia.
rightly said malik saheb:
"I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? "
quote]Naveen Chaudhary (May 13, 2004 11:23 a.m.):
Well! Whether we like it or not but Sonia stands a good chance of becoming the PM now after the results.
It's sad that such a large country and no one's fit to become the PM. Someone's who is there just by virtue of 'marrying' in a dominating political family is going to rule the nation.
But then it's democracy![/quote]
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artikundu
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halo,
can u tell us what hardship she has seen in her life?Just becoz she is rajiv gandhi's widow ,we r ready to give PM seat.
There is no compariosn b/w vajpayee and her at all.
Have u ever thought of italian people welcoming the idea of becoming an Indian PM.
not at all they can never think of it even.
wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can u tell us what hardship she has seen in her life?Just becoz she is rajiv gandhi's widow ,we r ready to give PM seat.
There is no compariosn b/w vajpayee and her at all.
Have u ever thought of italian people welcoming the idea of becoming an Indian PM.
not at all they can never think of it even.
wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[/quote]Choudhary (May 14, 2004 12:53 a.m.):
Just think with broader mind.Mrs Gandhi single handedly revived INC and came brought back to power. Once again democracy prevailed. By voting a 'foreigner' to the helm of the power, Indians have confirmed their broad social and cultural outlook rooted in Hinduism.
Shame on all those who bring up these low mentallity of foreign origin issue and forgot about her sufferings. As an indian with some morality still left, I not only congratulate her but salute her for all the hardship she personally had to gone through to achieve this. Well deserved and hard earned. Lets wait and watch, how she does? She can be kicked out sooner than Vajpayee, if not performed well.
BJP and allies have done nothing to our nation other than creating communal lines and trouble and taxes for poor and rural people. With economic boom, BJP made rich people richer and poor people poorer, filling their own pockets. Same thing happened in Andhra. I am not surprized in BJP rule, Indian has reached number 2 in corruption after Indonasia.
rightly said malik saheb:
"I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? "
quote]Naveen Chaudhary (May 13, 2004 11:23 a.m.):
Well! Whether we like it or not but Sonia stands a good chance of becoming the PM now after the results.
It's sad that such a large country and no one's fit to become the PM. Someone's who is there just by virtue of 'marrying' in a dominating political family is going to rule the nation.
But then it's democracy!
kpsingh402
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Dear friends,
I have gone through the comments on the above subjects but it has to be analysed in broader prospective whether jats political leadership is fit in the democratic set-up of the time. Let me submit my humble historical knowlede how jats have survived and lived the democratic institution in this country. it show that panchayat sysmtem of the community based on the merits of individuals and having no allegiance to any feudal force has survived the community in historical perspetice. Rajput and other hierarchy has survived on the feudal and aristocratic forces. only jats have survived by the oldest and best institutions of democracy which survived with bests decisions in the interests of social set up. Jats have proved them straightforward and honest as the word stands for J-justsice A-action T-truth. Jat stood to the justice and truth and justififed in his action. Perhaps we have lost these values during the transitional phase of after independence. Leaders from our caste could not prove to the values cherished by the community. while we have sacrificed time and again when a need was felt and demand was for the service of the community. We have failed to produce a leadership after independent. while we have a great leadership of the modern time before it. I mean Sir, Chhottu Ram Choudhary. Now, not to mention any individual, I could not find a single leadership in my community barring all political lines. All politicians are making business out of the sentimental affiliation of the community persons. In these circumstances, I have hope only in my educated and established youth that they may come forward as NGO and not to affiliate with any party. In case we are succesful to ignite the mind of our young people we can survives otherwise our politicians have are no more role models and they have nothing in the name of leadership where they can lead to us. I request to say good bye to all politicians and to apsire for the adjustment of the community in the economy of the time. we must take this case for our people and go for their cause to adopt technology and modern economy, other issues will be settled automatically. It is a shame that people like chautala belong to my caste. though i respect his father who have lived for the cause of community.So as a democrate caste we have to go by the merits of the people and not to follow the family on feudal lines. democrates are not feudals.
with regards
kpsingh
I have gone through the comments on the above subjects but it has to be analysed in broader prospective whether jats political leadership is fit in the democratic set-up of the time. Let me submit my humble historical knowlede how jats have survived and lived the democratic institution in this country. it show that panchayat sysmtem of the community based on the merits of individuals and having no allegiance to any feudal force has survived the community in historical perspetice. Rajput and other hierarchy has survived on the feudal and aristocratic forces. only jats have survived by the oldest and best institutions of democracy which survived with bests decisions in the interests of social set up. Jats have proved them straightforward and honest as the word stands for J-justsice A-action T-truth. Jat stood to the justice and truth and justififed in his action. Perhaps we have lost these values during the transitional phase of after independence. Leaders from our caste could not prove to the values cherished by the community. while we have sacrificed time and again when a need was felt and demand was for the service of the community. We have failed to produce a leadership after independent. while we have a great leadership of the modern time before it. I mean Sir, Chhottu Ram Choudhary. Now, not to mention any individual, I could not find a single leadership in my community barring all political lines. All politicians are making business out of the sentimental affiliation of the community persons. In these circumstances, I have hope only in my educated and established youth that they may come forward as NGO and not to affiliate with any party. In case we are succesful to ignite the mind of our young people we can survives otherwise our politicians have are no more role models and they have nothing in the name of leadership where they can lead to us. I request to say good bye to all politicians and to apsire for the adjustment of the community in the economy of the time. we must take this case for our people and go for their cause to adopt technology and modern economy, other issues will be settled automatically. It is a shame that people like chautala belong to my caste. though i respect his father who have lived for the cause of community.So as a democrate caste we have to go by the merits of the people and not to follow the family on feudal lines. democrates are not feudals.
with regards
kpsingh
Dear Friends,
I totally endorse the views of Co. Malik. I am sure Sonia will do a better job as she will be always under pressure to prove her credentials. I have full faith in our villages and its they only who rescue us always from the cluitches of misrulers. BJP has always been a party of traders and only traders benefited the most under this party. Look at the plight of cane growers...they can not pay the fees of their kids...what development are we talking..
Now coming to the suffereings of Sonia Gandhi..I do not know what suffereings will convince Arti...Sonia went through enormous emotional sufferings when her husband was killed, when Mrs Gandhi was killed...She was shifted to 10 Jan Path to live like a typical widow away from all life...Living alone as widow in a foreign land can be very hard...ask some one who has gone through it...
In today's global village culture does it really matter who was born where ? How many know that RJD Tata's heart was never in India, though he did everything for the development of India. He remains burried in France...Was Tata any way less Indian when it came to the development of India ?
How many of you will recollect that Indian National Congress was started in Bombay not by Indians but by some British only and it wasd only later on that the Indians took over and finally won freedom from this very platform..So let us judge a person by his/ her deeds and not by his/ her caste, nationality and religion etc..
More than Atal Vihari Vajpayee or Sonia or any one individual, I have full faith in our democracy and whenever time came, Indians have really stood the test of time. May I ask what background these persons like Mahajans, Arun Jaitleys have...?? Have they done any good for average Indians?...
Whatever one may call about Chautala, he has definitely given voice to farmers. May be like all politicians he is also full of other problems, but he is a man from ground. May be his sons are not so much conncected with issues and have become arrogant with power.
India will only shine when all its villages shine and not just south delhi or Bangalore shine... I don't know how many of you know te sate in which village infrastructure is...
Rajendra
I totally endorse the views of Co. Malik. I am sure Sonia will do a better job as she will be always under pressure to prove her credentials. I have full faith in our villages and its they only who rescue us always from the cluitches of misrulers. BJP has always been a party of traders and only traders benefited the most under this party. Look at the plight of cane growers...they can not pay the fees of their kids...what development are we talking..
Now coming to the suffereings of Sonia Gandhi..I do not know what suffereings will convince Arti...Sonia went through enormous emotional sufferings when her husband was killed, when Mrs Gandhi was killed...She was shifted to 10 Jan Path to live like a typical widow away from all life...Living alone as widow in a foreign land can be very hard...ask some one who has gone through it...
In today's global village culture does it really matter who was born where ? How many know that RJD Tata's heart was never in India, though he did everything for the development of India. He remains burried in France...Was Tata any way less Indian when it came to the development of India ?
How many of you will recollect that Indian National Congress was started in Bombay not by Indians but by some British only and it wasd only later on that the Indians took over and finally won freedom from this very platform..So let us judge a person by his/ her deeds and not by his/ her caste, nationality and religion etc..
More than Atal Vihari Vajpayee or Sonia or any one individual, I have full faith in our democracy and whenever time came, Indians have really stood the test of time. May I ask what background these persons like Mahajans, Arun Jaitleys have...?? Have they done any good for average Indians?...
Whatever one may call about Chautala, he has definitely given voice to farmers. May be like all politicians he is also full of other problems, but he is a man from ground. May be his sons are not so much conncected with issues and have become arrogant with power.
India will only shine when all its villages shine and not just south delhi or Bangalore shine... I don't know how many of you know te sate in which village infrastructure is...
Rajendra
rajendersingh
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dear all,
since every body is free to raise his or her voice about the origin of mrs gandhi,i feel that it is realy a shame for my country to have her as p m.its all together a different story how she performs.i feel a person who just happen to be a widow of a former p m and with foreign origin should not be allowed to rule this country.it speak very low on our part
her sufferings have been realy painful.but who was responsible for that,atleast not the country.mrs indira gandhi made a mistake in handling the punjab issue and whole country suffered for that,and in turn she also died. same is the case with rajeev gandhi.we gained nothing in srilanka.we lost so many lives in addition to other sufferings including reputation of the country.and it was a national shame that ltte killed our former p m.i think instead of getting emotional we should undersatand the reason behind all this.i do not support what all happen to both of them but it could have been avoided if these two ppl had not followed the path they chose.
now instead of forgetting the past we are trying to reward the lady as p m and punish the country by having her as p m..so what, even if she is a born italian.some how i am not able to understand this logic.every country has got some self respect,and i expect the same from my fellow countrymen.
since every body is free to raise his or her voice about the origin of mrs gandhi,i feel that it is realy a shame for my country to have her as p m.its all together a different story how she performs.i feel a person who just happen to be a widow of a former p m and with foreign origin should not be allowed to rule this country.it speak very low on our part
her sufferings have been realy painful.but who was responsible for that,atleast not the country.mrs indira gandhi made a mistake in handling the punjab issue and whole country suffered for that,and in turn she also died. same is the case with rajeev gandhi.we gained nothing in srilanka.we lost so many lives in addition to other sufferings including reputation of the country.and it was a national shame that ltte killed our former p m.i think instead of getting emotional we should undersatand the reason behind all this.i do not support what all happen to both of them but it could have been avoided if these two ppl had not followed the path they chose.
now instead of forgetting the past we are trying to reward the lady as p m and punish the country by having her as p m..so what, even if she is a born italian.some how i am not able to understand this logic.every country has got some self respect,and i expect the same from my fellow countrymen.
pradeeprana
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THIS IS FOR CHOWDHARY
u know nothing bout ground realities. mr. chowdhary.heraing(i must say overhearing) others view u r writing this.shame on indians like u who hv excepted this.u urself not confident of ur foregner likely to b pm of our country thats y u said she will b kicked out if she doesnt perform.
I HV LOT TO SAY,I M SURE U WONT B ABLE TO DEFEND.SO CALLED INDIAN.
u know nothing bout ground realities. mr. chowdhary.heraing(i must say overhearing) others view u r writing this.shame on indians like u who hv excepted this.u urself not confident of ur foregner likely to b pm of our country thats y u said she will b kicked out if she doesnt perform.
I HV LOT TO SAY,I M SURE U WONT B ABLE TO DEFEND.SO CALLED INDIAN.
[/quote]Choudhary (May 14, 2004 12:53 a.m.):
Just think with broader mind.Mrs Gandhi single handedly revived INC and came brought back to power. Once again democracy prevailed. By voting a 'foreigner' to the helm of the power, Indians have confirmed their broad social and cultural outlook rooted in Hinduism.
Shame on all those who bring up these low mentallity of foreign origin issue and forgot about her sufferings. As an indian with some morality still left, I not only congratulate her but salute her for all the hardship she personally had to gone through to achieve this. Well deserved and hard earned. Lets wait and watch, how she does? She can be kicked out sooner than Vajpayee, if not performed well.
BJP and allies have done nothing to our nation other than creating communal lines and trouble and taxes for poor and rural people. With economic boom, BJP made rich people richer and poor people poorer, filling their own pockets. Same thing happened in Andhra. I am not surprized in BJP rule, Indian has reached number 2 in corruption after Indonasia.
rightly said malik saheb:
"I see no harm in an Italian born becoming PM. When our own Mr Chaudhary can become PM of Fiji we celebrate and when Sonia Gandhi has a fair chance of becoming a PM we crib. Why? "
quote]Naveen Chaudhary (May 13, 2004 11:23 a.m.):
Well! Whether we like it or not but Sonia stands a good chance of becoming the PM now after the results.
It's sad that such a large country and no one's fit to become the PM. Someone's who is there just by virtue of 'marrying' in a dominating political family is going to rule the nation.
But then it's democracy!
danarambeerda
New member
Ramandeep (May 13, 2004 10:45 a.m.):
chautala is an idiot.
i will never accept a foreigner as PM. never!
Please don't use bad words for any one....Please.....
As far as Sonia Gandhi concern - certainly she is better then BBBBB JJJJJJ PPPPPP....
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chhoraharyanada
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kuldeep,
chautala is a sharabi-kababi idiot. He has done nothing for the development or improvement of haryana.
this election further emphasised his dynastic approach to politics by him trying to get his sons into politics.
glad both of them lost. they can now concentrate on suitable dieting. both desparately need it.
As for Sonia Gandhi,
"Hardships"? Oh puh-lease!! spare me!! If any of those gandhi women went through hardships, it was Maneka who lost her husband at 21 and had to bring up a child all by herself. She had a witch of a mother-in-law. Unlike Sonia, she never enjoyed full support of Indira or the other Congress cronies.
If the likes of Harkishan Surjeet or Mulayam Singh Yadav have a single iota of pride, they will dig their heels in and say to the Congress "we dont want a foreign PM"!
Aur vaise bhi Gandhio ka legacy dekho ... they always end up dead one way or the other. She's already very unpopular (approx 1/3 of the country). Unlike her mother-in-law, no one is going to wait for her to do something wrong!
No offence intended to anyone ... But I am really emotional on this issue. My great-grandfather was in jail for 5 years in the 1930's against British rule. And what have some of the people of India done? Willingly bought a firangi to rule all over again.
chautala is a sharabi-kababi idiot. He has done nothing for the development or improvement of haryana.
this election further emphasised his dynastic approach to politics by him trying to get his sons into politics.
glad both of them lost. they can now concentrate on suitable dieting. both desparately need it.
As for Sonia Gandhi,
"Hardships"? Oh puh-lease!! spare me!! If any of those gandhi women went through hardships, it was Maneka who lost her husband at 21 and had to bring up a child all by herself. She had a witch of a mother-in-law. Unlike Sonia, she never enjoyed full support of Indira or the other Congress cronies.
If the likes of Harkishan Surjeet or Mulayam Singh Yadav have a single iota of pride, they will dig their heels in and say to the Congress "we dont want a foreign PM"!
Aur vaise bhi Gandhio ka legacy dekho ... they always end up dead one way or the other. She's already very unpopular (approx 1/3 of the country). Unlike her mother-in-law, no one is going to wait for her to do something wrong!
No offence intended to anyone ... But I am really emotional on this issue. My great-grandfather was in jail for 5 years in the 1930's against British rule. And what have some of the people of India done? Willingly bought a firangi to rule all over again.
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chhoraharyanada
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Dana Ram Choudhary (May 14, 2004 06:38 a.m.):
As far as Sonia Gandhi concern - certainly she is better then BBBBB JJJJJJ PPPPPP....
Ram Ram
Theek hai ji maan liya ... kam-se-kam, ek sardar (surjeet) yaa ek yadav (mulayam) ek firangi aurath se ache hoyenge!
It's really a disheartening moment for Atal ji. He really has done a lot for the country. What all we have seen in the past 3-4 years, it's all due to him and his government set up. I don't actually support BJP but I support the development! And it was only due to this that the slogan "INDIA SHINING" came up.
But for Sonia and her Cong., this time they wooed the MUSLIM votes in their favor. They benefitted on what happened in Gujrat. You know what this time the turnout in Muslim dominated constituency was higher than previous years. It's not really that BJP is communal but Cong. as well. But sometimes you don't see it. Anyway, they have won the elections but they don't have any good PM candidate like Atalji.
Anyway, I think if Sonia heads at the center, the days are numbered and it's better to prepare for the re-elections.
But for Sonia and her Cong., this time they wooed the MUSLIM votes in their favor. They benefitted on what happened in Gujrat. You know what this time the turnout in Muslim dominated constituency was higher than previous years. It's not really that BJP is communal but Cong. as well. But sometimes you don't see it. Anyway, they have won the elections but they don't have any good PM candidate like Atalji.
Anyway, I think if Sonia heads at the center, the days are numbered and it's better to prepare for the re-elections.
Bhai Ramandeep,
Please don't take it personally.
By the way many grandfathers were in jail during the British Rule. It was a price the nation had to pay for freedom. But tell me something. If your Grandfather was put in jail by the Britishers, what are you doing in UK? I shall answer this question for you. Because you want a better life for yourself and your loved ones. And you have forgotten and forgiven.
Let us not take this discussion towards issues that have no black and white answers. Like the 'Sacrifices' made by the Gandhi family. Well it is an individual perception. Let me quote you a sentence or two that I heard in the Courts of Sonepat a long time back.
When Mrs Indira Gandhi was assasinated and the nation went into a killing spree, a Tau who had come to the courts for some work remarked "Ye Sardar bhi bevkoof hain. Galat kaam karengey. Indira ke goli maran ki ke jaroorat thi, uske chhore ke goli marte te ya aape na mar jaati. Is khandan te is desh ka pichha te chhut jaata". Why I am quoting this is because we always have very strong reactions on issues.
Another time one Tau got disgusted with this sacrifice talk of Nehru Gandhi family and said "Ooo bhai. Nu karo, manne pradhan mantri bana dyo paanch saal. Time pura hota he mein apne aap ke goli maar lunga". Someone asked him Why? He said "Paanch saal mein itna pisa bana loonga, saat peedhi aish karengi". So let us leave it at this.
Now about Rajiv Gandhi sending troops to Sri Lanka. Well, he was advised by the incompetent subservient Generals who were looking for lucrative posts after retirement. Let us not blame an individual for something that comes in the sphere of 'Collective Responsibility'.
Except us no one says we are a great nation? Yes, the potential to be a great nation may be but not great by any measure. I don't want to repeat what I have written elsewhere but I only hope this great land and its inhabitants have at least clean drinking water, primary health and education and equitable treatment for all castes and creeds.
Regards,
Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
Please don't take it personally.
By the way many grandfathers were in jail during the British Rule. It was a price the nation had to pay for freedom. But tell me something. If your Grandfather was put in jail by the Britishers, what are you doing in UK? I shall answer this question for you. Because you want a better life for yourself and your loved ones. And you have forgotten and forgiven.
Let us not take this discussion towards issues that have no black and white answers. Like the 'Sacrifices' made by the Gandhi family. Well it is an individual perception. Let me quote you a sentence or two that I heard in the Courts of Sonepat a long time back.
When Mrs Indira Gandhi was assasinated and the nation went into a killing spree, a Tau who had come to the courts for some work remarked "Ye Sardar bhi bevkoof hain. Galat kaam karengey. Indira ke goli maran ki ke jaroorat thi, uske chhore ke goli marte te ya aape na mar jaati. Is khandan te is desh ka pichha te chhut jaata". Why I am quoting this is because we always have very strong reactions on issues.
Another time one Tau got disgusted with this sacrifice talk of Nehru Gandhi family and said "Ooo bhai. Nu karo, manne pradhan mantri bana dyo paanch saal. Time pura hota he mein apne aap ke goli maar lunga". Someone asked him Why? He said "Paanch saal mein itna pisa bana loonga, saat peedhi aish karengi". So let us leave it at this.
Now about Rajiv Gandhi sending troops to Sri Lanka. Well, he was advised by the incompetent subservient Generals who were looking for lucrative posts after retirement. Let us not blame an individual for something that comes in the sphere of 'Collective Responsibility'.
Except us no one says we are a great nation? Yes, the potential to be a great nation may be but not great by any measure. I don't want to repeat what I have written elsewhere but I only hope this great land and its inhabitants have at least clean drinking water, primary health and education and equitable treatment for all castes and creeds.
Regards,
Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
sanjeevmalik
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By heart or by mind
I would like to know (If possible) what is the percentage of the votes that were cast by the individuals were by their own discretion/thinking and the percentage of the votes cast by people who just follow blindly/forcefully.
I would also like to know is there no other competent family other than Gandhi’s to lead congress? Why should Rahul or Priyanka late jumping into the campaign make such s big impact on the votes swing? What kind of political/leadership mileage do Rahul/Priyanka have? I guess it just shows that majority of the Indian voters are still incapable of electing a right leader for their constituency. A good/high percentage of Indian citizens still cast their votes by heart rather by their mind.
I would like to know (If possible) what is the percentage of the votes that were cast by the individuals were by their own discretion/thinking and the percentage of the votes cast by people who just follow blindly/forcefully.
I would also like to know is there no other competent family other than Gandhi’s to lead congress? Why should Rahul or Priyanka late jumping into the campaign make such s big impact on the votes swing? What kind of political/leadership mileage do Rahul/Priyanka have? I guess it just shows that majority of the Indian voters are still incapable of electing a right leader for their constituency. A good/high percentage of Indian citizens still cast their votes by heart rather by their mind.
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Lt Col Jagmohan Malik (Retd) (May 14, 2004 07:51 a.m.):
Bhai Ramandeep,
Please don't take it personally.
By the way many grandfathers were in jail during the British Rule. It was a price the nation had to pay for freedom. But tell me something. If your Grandfather was put in jail by the Britishers, what are you doing in UK? I shall answer this question for you. Because you want a better life for yourself and your loved ones. And you have forgotten and forgiven.
Let us not take this discussion towards issues that have no black and white answers. Like the 'Sacrifices' made by the Gandhi family. Well it is an individual perception. Let me quote you a sentence or two that I heard in the Courts of Sonepat a long time back.
When Mrs Indira Gandhi was assasinated and the nation went into a killing spree, a Tau who had come to the courts for some work remarked "Ye Sardar bhi bevkoof hain. Galat kaam karengey. Indira ke goli maran ki ke jaroorat thi, uske chhore ke goli marte te ya aape na mar jaati. Is khandan te is desh ka pichha te chhut jaata". Why I am quoting this is because we always have very strong reactions on issues.
Another time one Tau got disgusted with this sacrifice talk of Nehru Gandhi family and said "Ooo bhai. Nu karo, manne pradhan mantri bana dyo paanch saal. Time pura hota he mein apne aap ke goli maar lunga". Someone asked him Why? He said "Paanch saal mein itna pisa bana loonga, saat peedhi aish karengi". So let us leave it at this.
Now about Rajiv Gandhi sending troops to Sri Lanka. Well, he was advised by the incompetent subservient Generals who were looking for lucrative posts after retirement. Let us not blame an individual for something that comes in the sphere of 'Collective Responsibility'.
Except us no one says we are a great nation? Yes, the potential to be a great nation may be but not great by any measure. I don't want to repeat what I have written elsewhere but I only hope this great land and its inhabitants have at least clean drinking water, primary health and education and equitable treatment for all castes and creeds.
Regards,
Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
Dear Jagmohan Ji,
Ram Ram
How can you possibly compare being an NRI to an outright foreigner?! My connections with India are not via marriage, nor political gain. I think you are correlating incorrect things.
As for sacrifices by the Gandhi family? Please spare me the Class IX history lesson! Their contribution is over-exhaggerated grossly! Nehru's one stint in jail, and that too with 5-star treatment! haha! And as for Indira - well, she got what was coming to her! And as for Doon-educated Rajiv - yes, so in touch with the common folk of India! If they weren't loaded enough, the motto was "lets help ourselves to even more Indian money". Bofors ring any bells? So, yet again I will shed neither tears nor sympathy for another Gandhi assassination.
The sooner the Gandhis are out of Indian politics - the better. I personally don't care how. India will be the better for it! No one family or its legacy is bigger than India itself.
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