Chautalas convicted for illegal recruitment

[desijat]

Deepak, I was trying my best to not to make it a party based discussion.

I would urge you to read again what I wrote before forming opinions and reply just for the sake of opposing. Please read this:

I do not think national media influences regional voters to a great extent beyond a few neighboring Delhi states and metros. You missed the bold.
I have worked with both, circulation and readerships numbers of all national newspaper and viewerships of news channels and when I say something, I say it with statical backing.

National media is Navbharat Times, dont go beyond but in western UP anyone hardly reads it, Amar Ujala is most read newspaper.
Hindustan Times does not even have editions in major south Indian cities.
Times of India and HT did not even have a Jaipur edition until a couple of years ago, Rajasthan Patrika is most read.
Malyala Manorama influences most in Kerala.

Trust me, I can go on with a list but I guess this is enough to prove a point if you would want to understand.


Second on influencing, are you even aware of how newspapers or TV broadcasting channels work? How do they submit stories? How is editorial divided? Please throw some light and you will get reply to questioning my post.

 

[kapdal]

I do not think national media influences regional voters to a great extent beyond a few neighboring Delhi states and metros. Each state has a bunch of local newspapaers and TV channels which are well controlled by local politicians. In southern, westers and eastern states local language channels are most watched. And I can say this cause I have worked on a media campaign for a national party and several other media campaigns.

As far as corporate shops are concerned, if your state has major factories and someone is investing crores of Rs. the businessman come to the CM first who controls local benefits, police, state taxes and subsidies. It is mostly state govt policies that matter the most to a business than national(which is most often FDI or Tax related only). Vibrant Gujarat Summit is a fine example of how the state machinery is exploited to get big heads interested in business on a state level(though not the case of a regional party here). Another example could be of Punjab where in farmers are benefiting from contract farming and state govt is supporting it and PepsiCo and McDonalds is working with state govt and farmers.



A crime is a crime is a crime. Both 2G and Coalgate are under investigation and we would be unfair to compare the 2 to prove JBT teacher scam sacrosanct. Problem is with our judicial system, if it took almost a decade for JBT teacher scam to convict chautalas, you can well imagine the pace at which those big scam cases will flow at.

Point taken, but I never said that regional parties are holier than thou. I was arguing against the point that regional parties are "most corrupt". I already said that I am glad when any politician gets convicted of a crime. But I'd be happier still when bigger fishes also get caught. We can't clap with joy when a thief gets caught, while robbers roam free. I don't know on what basis you felt that regional parties are most corrupt. The regional parties came up only because national parties have not been successful in reflecting the diversity of this country. But they took their lessons in corruption or dynasty or identity based politics from national parties.

Point about media was vis-a-vis corruption exposes and not voters. A Robert Vadra story does the round of all media houses but doesn't get published. But anything on a regional leader and media is quite keen to pursue. The issue is not that why the dirt on regional leaders are pursued so vigorously - I am quite glad about it. The issue is why media is hesistant about pursuing bigger scams.

 

[jaisingh318]

इस घटनाकर्म पर पिछले दिनों से हरयाणा में काफी कुछ सुनने को मिल रहा हैं की यह सब क्यों हुआ किसने करवाया आदि । कुछ लोग इसका जिम्मेवार कांग्रेस को बता रहे तो कुछ अन्य ही कारण बता रहे हैं तरह तरह की बाते निकल कर आ रही हैं ।
हरयाणा में कांग्रेस 2005 में आई हैं जबकि यह मुकदमा उससे पहले का हैं । उस वक़्त केंद्र में भाजपा थी , इस मुक़दमे पर उसी वक़्त गौर करना चाहिए था । रही बात सीबीआई की तो इसे तो हर सरकार अपने हिसाब से चलाती हैं इस बार यह कोई नया कारनामा नहीं हुआ । गुजराल , गोव्ड़ा सरकार के दौरान भी सीबीआई को ले कर काफी हंगामा रहता था , उस वक़्त जोगिन्दर सिंह इसके डायरेक्टर जरनल होते थे ।
दूसरा इस मुक़दमे में ख़ास पहलु यह भी हैं की इस मुक़दमे का जो जज हैं उनके पिताजी गिरधर गोपाल व चौटाला साहब की पुरानी खुंदक थी । गिरधर गोपाल पुलिस में थे व भजन लाल के नजदीकी थे , उन्होंने भजन लाल के लिए फतेहाबाद में बूथ कप्च्रिंग तक करवाई थी । जिसमे चौटाला साहब से उनकी काफी ठन गई थी । बताते हैं की जब गिरधर गोपाल रोहतक में थे तो चौटाला साहब ने यहाँ तक कहा था की अगर गिरधर गोपाल रिटायर भी हो गया तो भी इसकी वर्दी तो दूर इसकी हड्डिया तक निकाल लूँगा । इसलिए कुछ लोग बताते हैं की जब जज ने सजा सुनाई तो चौटाला साहब ने कहा भी की '' बेटा अपने बाप का बदला ले रहा हैं '' ।
दूसरा कारण और बताते हैं की जज विनोद ने हरियाणा की hcs परीक्षा मेरिट से पास की थी परन्तु इंटरव्यू में फ़ैल कर दिया । जब विनोद ने शेर सिंह बद्श्यामी से कहा की आप ऐसे कैसे फ़ैल कर सकते हैं मैं मेरिट में आया हु तो शेर सिंह बद्श्यामी ने कहा की '' हम तो ऐसे ही कर सकते हैं जो करना हो कर लो '' । इतेफाक की उसके बाद विनोद का दिल्ली जज लगना और फिर चौटाला साहब का मुकदमा उसी के पास आना और ऊपर से केंद्र में सरकार भी कांग्रेस की , सब सोने पे सुहागा जैसा हो गया जज विनोद के लिए । जब चौटाला साहब कोर्ट जाते तो यह जज कुर्सी छोड़ कर खड़ा हो जाता था , चौटाला साहब की आँख बांद दी , उन्होंने सोचा की यह तो अपना ही हैं क्या सजा सुनाएगा और आखिर में धोखे में दे के काम कर गया ।
हाँ बाकी अब सारा दोष कांग्रेस पर रख कर एक माहौल बन सकता हैं , इससे शायद इनेलो की सरकार बन जाए । पंजाब में भी ऐसा ही हुआ था , जेल जाने के बाद लोगो ने बादल साहब को ईमानदार मान लिया था और वापिस सरकार में ला दिया । जाट भी हैं कसुते हैं सारा दोष हुड्डा पर रख दिया , कुलदीप पर किसी नजर नहीं गई की यह जज किसका आदमी हैं !

inh judge sahab ka bhai hooda ki security m dsp h.................

 

[jaisingh318]

haryana m gussaa itna h ki har party worker meeting m distt. m25000 se 30000 log ate h.
aaj ki shakantala garden bhiwani m log rotey hui gay h ajay k bete ki appel p..

 

[jaisingh318]

आनंद नामक एक शिक्षक जो कि गाँव धनाना जिला भिवानी से है और 2 साल तक हरियाणा अध्यापक सघ का अध्यक्ष भी रहा है उसने साफ कहा कि उसने techr बनने के लिए 5 लाख ₹ ramkisan foji मुख्यससदिय सचिव को दिये 2011 मे अब कहा है c.b.i huda और न्यायपालिका

abki baar sarkar too annihi h100%.............tab hoga asli dhoodh ka dhoodh or pani..................dhye din gahddhi alye ara s inh congress alya m

 

[rinkusheoran]

haryana m gussaa itna h ki har party worker meeting m distt. m25000 se 30000 log ate h.
aaj ki shakantala garden bhiwani m log rotey hui gay h ajay k bete ki appel p..

Jaisinghji, log rote huye gaye the ki worker? n ajay ki bete ki appeal kya thi jisne rula dia?

 

[rinkusheoran]

आनंद नामक एक शिक्षक जो कि गाँव धनाना जिला भिवानी से है और 2 साल तक हरियाणा अध्यापक सघ का अध्यक्ष भी रहा है उसने साफ कहा कि उसने techr बनने के लिए 5 लाख ₹ ramkisan foji मुख्यससदिय सचिव को दिये 2011 मे अब कहा है c.b.i huda और न्यायपालिका

Bhaisahab jahan tak mujhe pta hai ye Anand kabhi INLD k youth ka Padha-adhikari tha n kabhi Vikas party mien hota tha. Congress aai to paise deke lag jaisa apane kaha lekin baat ye hai ki isne pahle affidavit kyun nhi dia n ussi time karwahi kyun nhi ki? Ab number banane k chakkar mein bol rahe hain log. INLD mein ab aise hi numbery log reh gaye hain. Asli worker to Ch Devilalji k time the

 

[jaisingh318]

Bhaisahab jahan tak mujhe pta hai ye Anand kabhi INLD k youth ka Padha-adhikari tha n kabhi Vikas party mien hota tha. Congress aai to paise deke lag jaisa apane kaha lekin baat ye hai ki isne pahle affidavit kyun nhi dia n ussi time karwahi kyun nhi ki? Ab number banane k chakkar mein bol rahe hain log. INLD mein ab aise hi numbery log reh gaye hain. Asli worker to Ch Devilalji k time the

yo to net s kuch bhi bol lay.........bhiwani m jake na bolye .............aajkal mahool gannha garam s......nek salah s too manae to

 

[rinkusheoran]

yo to net s kuch bhi bol lay.........bhiwani m jake na bolye .............aajkal mahool gannha garam s......nek salah s too manae to

Achaji fir kit aake bolna sai? Chautala gaon mein ya baas mein n aapne ek salaah di hai to uske liye :applause: :applause: n ab mera bhi faraj banta hai ek main bhi dun aapko jo kaam aaye lekin mujhe pta hai tu maane koni lekin sun le n manega to jindagi bhar kaam aawegi- 'bina mange kisi ne slah na diye'


Baki main aa america raha sun lekin mera gaam bhiwani mein sai bhul gya k bagri sun main n thode time baad utte aaunga n Ye tere bargey worker to le dubbey INLD n nyu keh keh nhi to dobara aati ya :tongue:

 

[spdeshwal]

Bhaisahab jahan tak mujhe pta hai ye Anand kabhi INLD k youth ka Padha-adhikari tha n kabhi Vikas party mien hota tha. Congress aai to paise deke lag jaisa apane kaha lekin baat ye hai ki isne pahle affidavit kyun nhi dia n ussi time karwahi kyun nhi ki? Ab number banane k chakkar mein bol rahe hain log. INLD mein ab aise hi numbery log reh gaye hain. Asli worker to Ch Devilalji k time the

Rinku Bhai,

I had seen that debate live on NDTV where this guy Anand participated and disclosed that he paid bribe of Rs. 500,000 to Congress MLA. His body language said it all. I believe, it was a fake story! When Phoolchand Mulana confronted him, he looked a different picture all together! A thorough investigation could reveal the true story!


Cheers!

 

[sunnytewatia]

Chotla family shud bring the name forward and tell this truth to ppl. I am sure even any Judge can face the heat if he has done something wrong or favored congress. But it is not new - i heard earlier as well that bias happens in judiciary as well.

inh judge sahab ka bhai hooda ki security m dsp h.................

 

[jaisingh318]

Chotla family shud bring the name forward and tell this truth to ppl. I am sure even any Judge can face the heat if he has done something wrong or favored congress. But it is not new - i heard earlier as well that bias happens in judiciary as well.

apno ki favour har koi karta h....agar pariwar ki soch k unh ka faisla ho to koi kya kar sakta h iss seat k agy.............
lakin jaat swabhimaan orr unke bujurg gaon m faisla karte h na ki net p ki kya sahi hoga kaum k liye............
ch. devilal k follower almost khandani jaat h ...jinko nafe orr nuksaan ki jyada parwah nahi hoti........
choutala family n abb apne logo k bich baat rakh di h ki bhaiyao p sankat h....abb baki kaam unke soch m yakin rakhne walo ka h.

 

[malikdeepak1]

Deepak, I was trying my best to not to make it a party based discussion.

I would urge you to read again what I wrote before forming opinions and reply just for the sake of opposing. Please read this:

I do not think national media influences regional voters to a great extent beyond a few neighboring Delhi states and metros. You missed the bold.

You are incorrect. Even in places like bangalore/chennai people switch to national media (especially english media) very often.

I have worked with both, circulation and readerships numbers of all national newspaper and viewerships of news channels and when I say something, I say it with statical backing.

Stats you talk of are based on sampling. When you said Haryana is progressing better than Gujrat, I gave you some real facts about Rohtak development (which many are jealous of without knowing ground reality), you opted for not replying to that post.

National media is Navbharat Times, dont go beyond but in western UP anyone hardly reads it, Amar Ujala is most read newspaper.
Hindustan Times does not even have editions in major south Indian cities.
Times of India and HT did not even have a Jaipur edition until a couple of years ago, Rajasthan Patrika is most read.
Malyala Manorama influences most in Kerala.

You are not correct even here. People are more prone to TV now, than newspapers. Even a barber's shop has a TV now-a-days.
I have seen many bangaloreans/chennaites watching "Times Now" than local Jaya/Kairali TV.

Trust me, I can go on with a list but I guess this is enough to prove a point if you would want to understand.

I understand the importance of a newspaper at a Chaiwala's place. But if you say that people prefer local media more than national media I would disagree here as I have seen Bangaloreans more closely than you. People switch to local media only when they want some entertainement in local dialect. Else they go for national media only. (Even local media project news saying "courtsey some national/international" media only).

Second on influencing, are you even aware of how newspapers or TV broadcasting channels work? How do they submit stories? How is editorial divided? Please throw some light and you will get reply to questioning my post.

I am certainly not aware how editorials are divided (they are highly subjective), but know how a comman man can be influenced. Please throw some light on how your campaign led to influence a common man about a particular national party!

 

[desijat]

I am certainly not aware how editorials are divided (they are highly subjective), but know how a comman man can be influenced. Please throw some light on how your campaign led to influence a common man about a particular national party!

Every media house has a local editorial team in each office. That if why you would see a huge office of Times of India in major cities where they have an edition but the content of local edition is often decided by local editor. While page 1 news remains similar in all the edition, the placement of news varies edition to edition and the decision makers for that are sitting in local offices and not in Delhi.

Those centers where it is not feasible to have a journalist or editorial team, every national newspaper and broadcasters have a bunch of stringers operating. Stringers mean independent news reporters who are associated with news channel/paper but are independent. Mostly their news, if not national news makes it way through in local edition only. These stringers are also well exposed to local decision makers and are much easy to influence than national reporters sitting in Delhi.

I will give you an example, in Orissa, the Steel capital of India, 2 major newspapers, The Economic Times and Business Standard have 1 journalist each. They play a critical role in deciding the opinions of state about steel policies but are sitting way beyond the so called decision makers in Delhi and every steel company tries to woo them. Read POSCO fiasco, you will understand what I mean.

For second part of your question all I can say is campaign was successful One thing you need to understand with any campaign is that most often than not they portray truth by escalating it and ensuring it reaches right audience and if you feel there is one single political party that does not undertake this activity, you will be mistaken.

 

[jaisingh318]

Baki main aa america raha sun lekin mera gaam bhiwani mein sai bhul gya k bagri sun main n thode time baad utte aaunga n Ye tere bargey worker to le dubbey INLD n nyu keh keh nhi to dobara aati ya :tongue:

too kyu tang pao america t akke addye bhoot badle dhinngye hanndey s iss dhall ka dana pani chugte
arr bira bagri alyi baat too jaata m kade t chalte aye s ......isme congress or inld ka to koi tuk na banta..baki teri samajh s
bagri to ch. devilal bhi the...arr chottheye p dharti na bote unke.........baat vichardhaara ki h koi samjhe too

 

[jaisingh318]

sabhi media houses ko govt. ki instruction h strictally ki choutala family k bare m koi news na dey......so funny
ye public h sab janti h..........inh bato s logo m orr gussha jyda ho raha h na ki kum.....

 

[vipinrathee]

This is just a trailor..in days to come all corrupt politicians will be nailed by honest people's representatives..sab naukri bik rahi hain dharale se...govt chahe kisi ki bhi ho....sabne gandhi ke note pyaare laage hain...

 

[desijat]

honest people's representatives...

And who are they Vipin bhai?

 

[vipinrathee]

i don wana name those crappy politicians...ruling party ministers in union govt...they r makin mockery of democratic set-up...........

 

[krishdel]

You are right