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jitender_singh
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Hi Navin,
But Is it also applicable to short running e.g. 100m,200m...
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Jitender
But Is it also applicable to short running e.g. 100m,200m...
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Jitender
itsnavin said:
singhkapoor said:
Kapoor: Thanks for the encouragement!
I didnt know the reason about the extra mileage in modern marathon. Here's what I found:
"It was 1908 and London was hosting the Olympic Games. The organisers were faced with a dilemma. The Royal Box lay just 385 yards beyond the 26 mile finish line. So, not wishing to offend members of the Royal Family, the marathon distance was extended to 26 miles 385 yards to allow the finish line to fall infront of the Royal Box! Ever since this momentous change, the marathon has been run to precisely 26.2 miles."
The length of a marathon was not originally standardized, since all that was important was that all athletes competed on the same course. The exact length of an Olympic marathon varied depending on the route established for each venue. The first and third Olympic marathons were 40 km.
The 1908 Olympic marathon in London was originally set to start at Windsor Castle and end at Olympic Stadium, but the race organizers chose to have the runners finish in front of the Royal Box. This made the distance 42.195 km. Of the 6 Olympic games between 1900 and 1920, there were 6 different distances, including 2 new distances after the British games in 1908.
A fixed distance of 42.195 km was adopted in 1921 by the International Amateur Athletic Federation (IAAF) as the official marathon distance.
There's an ancient Greek legend about the first marathon. It has a sad ending. The Persians attack Greece at a town not-so-coincidentally named Marathon. The Athenians make a surprising showing and completely rout their enemies, and they're so happy that they order one of their soldiers to run the 26 miles to Athens to report the victory. He does, but he dies from exhaustion.
Granted, hand-to-hand combat with Persian soldiers isn't the recommended form of crosstraining for a marathon. Yet try to ignore the irony: a guy runs so far that it kills him, and they turn it into a sport.
Oh yeah! About the wedding part. I have decided about getting married in December in the wedding capital of the world (Las Vegas)if I survive the marathon. Dying from exhaustion really isnt an option anymore.
I just need to decide the year and whom to marry. LOLgaganjat said:
Gagan: You are right about the climatic conditions and them being able to hold retain their breath and work with low oxygen longer than other people as its natural in them. The African approach to training differs from the American-European method in a number of ways, including intensity (Africans usually train more intensely but with less mileage), the amount of hill training (there's no comparison here; the Africans are almost always working on hills), periodisation (Africans vary their training more - favouring big upswings and then gentle troughs; in fact, many Africans take a month or two away from running while their American and European peers continue to plug away without a break), and diet (Africans eat more carbohydrate, less protein, and less fat). Africans also benefit from a decade-long 'base' period - just running back and forth to junior school at moderate speeds - before they take up serious running. Again, the Kenyan difference might simply be due to prior lifestyle factors such as diet, altitude, daily activity, etc. The bottom line is that you can't look at Kenyan world-beating performances and say 'Aha! It's genetic!'
itsnavin said:
Bhai tum log to isne "rocket science" bane ke chodoge. You can only breathe from two places (nose or mouth). Some people might have different views on that as well. Please dont hesitate to share. LOL All you need to run is a good pair of running shoes (mind you not sneakers they will work for the chickenhearted) and the will to get your ass off the couch. Breathing skills will come naturally to you the same way they do when you are born. Cheers.
Yes Jitender, It depends...if u r going a sprint of 200m, try to breathe from mouth as it gives u more oxygen...hence more energy to complete the race quickly. I am not a small distance runner. When I go for running, I complete atleast 6-7kms. In that case, I am bound to breathe from nose.jitender_singh said:
There is another good point that I learnt from Yoga. If you breathe from mouth, there is a good possibility that breathe goes to ur stomach which is not desired and thought to be unhealthy as well. Normally while breathing, air should go to ur chest not the stomach.
I hope there are more reasons as well.
anujkadyan
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Navin and others.. u guys are inspiring us man.. reading these posts I want to press Ctrl + Alt + Del on my PC and run home and don my jogging shoes.. which right serve the purpose of casual shoes..and go run like crazy..
well will let u guys know the day I do it
well will let u guys know the day I do it
jitender_singh
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Hi Navin,
I am doing sprint only especially 100 m and I Breathe from nose at the start and when about to reach target I breathe from mouth.
I am also doing few asan from yoga , it helps me a lot.It develops lot of stamina.
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Jitender
I am doing sprint only especially 100 m and I Breathe from nose at the start and when about to reach target I breathe from mouth.
I am also doing few asan from yoga , it helps me a lot.It develops lot of stamina.
Regards
Jitender
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singhkapoor
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Running with your Mouth Shut??
Guys
I have no idea what Yoga teaches but I can't even imagine NOT breathing from the mouth while running. That's the NATURAL way to breathe during any sporting activity; sans yoga - I guess.
Breathing from only the nose will not only deprive your heart of the much-needed oxygen but also tighten your jaw and neck/shoulder muscles, which is a big NO-NO in any sporting activity. If you look closely enough at any Olympic champion's picture (100 mts to marathon) you will notice that their jaw appears to be falling down. Of course the picture would not tell the true story if it has been taken during the last few maters of a race when most athletes are grimacing (but their mouth would still be open).
All you guys, who have been running with your mouths shut till now, next time PLEASE keep it open (it should come naturally); you will experience nothing less than an epiphany. You don't know what you are missing!! To me, anyone who runs with a shut mouth is an absolutely novice runner.
But, all these years' running with a shut mouth may have been a blessing in disguise for you guys (mouth-shut types) because unknowingly you have been training your heart under a lot tougher conditions which most Olympians achieve either through training at higher altitude or (/and) by living/sleeping in specially designed oxygen depleted rooms.
When we used to go X-country running outside the school boundary (MNSS Rai), the most common advice from desi "taus" on the road used to be - "arre chore, muh band kar kae bhaaj". But, they didn't know any better.
Happy Running!!!
Guys
I have no idea what Yoga teaches but I can't even imagine NOT breathing from the mouth while running. That's the NATURAL way to breathe during any sporting activity; sans yoga - I guess.
Breathing from only the nose will not only deprive your heart of the much-needed oxygen but also tighten your jaw and neck/shoulder muscles, which is a big NO-NO in any sporting activity. If you look closely enough at any Olympic champion's picture (100 mts to marathon) you will notice that their jaw appears to be falling down. Of course the picture would not tell the true story if it has been taken during the last few maters of a race when most athletes are grimacing (but their mouth would still be open).
All you guys, who have been running with your mouths shut till now, next time PLEASE keep it open (it should come naturally); you will experience nothing less than an epiphany. You don't know what you are missing!! To me, anyone who runs with a shut mouth is an absolutely novice runner.
But, all these years' running with a shut mouth may have been a blessing in disguise for you guys (mouth-shut types) because unknowingly you have been training your heart under a lot tougher conditions which most Olympians achieve either through training at higher altitude or (/and) by living/sleeping in specially designed oxygen depleted rooms.
When we used to go X-country running outside the school boundary (MNSS Rai), the most common advice from desi "taus" on the road used to be - "arre chore, muh band kar kae bhaaj". But, they didn't know any better.
Happy Running!!!
singhkapoor said:
Kapoor Singh ji,
You are somewhat right with what you said here. You are right that most of the runner in Olympics run with open mouth but you are not sure that they breathe in and out from mouth. I am sure most of the time they breathe-in from nose and breathe out from mouth. Moreover, during some stretchs they breathe in and out from mouths to increase their speed. They do this as they are running in a big competitions. I also do it several times to increase my running speed but otherwise when I am not running on high speeds, I stick to breathing in and out from nose. No problems with neck or back experienced so far. I think it depends on how u practice and how hard you practice.
And I am sure that if a guy can run non-stop for 25kms in 2 hours while breathing from nose, you won't rate him as a novice runner. Would you?
Navin
singhkapoor
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Dear Navin
I am NOT asserting that YOU are a novice runner; it’s just that I can’t imagine/picture an experienced runner running with his/her mouth shut. If you are doing 25K in two hours with your mouth shut for most part of the race, you have a very strong heart. Congratulations!! I could never run 25K, let alone in 2 hrs.
I trained as a track athlete for over 20 years and read a lot of literature on running during that period. In the mid-nineties, as member of India’s track & Field team, I practiced with nation’s top athletes, trained under the watchful eyes of national/international coaches at national camps organized at NIS Patiala/Bangalore by Athletic Federation of India; I NEVER came across a runner who did not breathe from the mouth.
The only way professional runners breathe is: inhale from both i.e. the mouth & the nose and exhale from both. This includes races from sprints to marathons, champions from junior state competitions to world championships, runners from Kenya to Europe to India, during parts of a race from start to middle to finish…..PERIOD. There is absolutely no conscious/deliberate effort to breathe from either the mouth or the nose. Just keep your mouth open and let your natural instinct take over.
By the tightening/stiffening of neck & shoulder muscles, I meant during a race; it does not mean you will have some kind of medical problem. Due to breaking down of glucose, lactic acid builds up naturally in your muscles during a race, which stiffens them so; you do not want to compound the problem by stiffening up the muscles by deliberately keeping your mouth shut.
Happy Running!!
I am NOT asserting that YOU are a novice runner; it’s just that I can’t imagine/picture an experienced runner running with his/her mouth shut. If you are doing 25K in two hours with your mouth shut for most part of the race, you have a very strong heart. Congratulations!! I could never run 25K, let alone in 2 hrs.
I trained as a track athlete for over 20 years and read a lot of literature on running during that period. In the mid-nineties, as member of India’s track & Field team, I practiced with nation’s top athletes, trained under the watchful eyes of national/international coaches at national camps organized at NIS Patiala/Bangalore by Athletic Federation of India; I NEVER came across a runner who did not breathe from the mouth.
The only way professional runners breathe is: inhale from both i.e. the mouth & the nose and exhale from both. This includes races from sprints to marathons, champions from junior state competitions to world championships, runners from Kenya to Europe to India, during parts of a race from start to middle to finish…..PERIOD. There is absolutely no conscious/deliberate effort to breathe from either the mouth or the nose. Just keep your mouth open and let your natural instinct take over.
By the tightening/stiffening of neck & shoulder muscles, I meant during a race; it does not mean you will have some kind of medical problem. Due to breaking down of glucose, lactic acid builds up naturally in your muscles during a race, which stiffens them so; you do not want to compound the problem by stiffening up the muscles by deliberately keeping your mouth shut.
Happy Running!!
You are right and don't feel offended. It's a just a discussion and a way to minimize misconceptions who so ever have these. I respect ur comments and side by side I expressed mine. May be I am wrong but I am doing this till now.
Let's put it that way I'll try to practice with my mouth open partially and try to breathe from nose and mouth from now onwards. Let's see how I go along with this. I'll let u know the results soon. I am going to run 25K again on Sunday...will try to do with new methods. I hope it helps me positively.
Also, it might seem strange to you but it's true that I finish 25K in 2 hours...and that too non-stop. It's like that!!
Let's put it that way I'll try to practice with my mouth open partially and try to breathe from nose and mouth from now onwards. Let's see how I go along with this. I'll let u know the results soon. I am going to run 25K again on Sunday...will try to do with new methods. I hope it helps me positively.
Also, it might seem strange to you but it's true that I finish 25K in 2 hours...and that too non-stop. It's like that!!
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anujkadyan
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Wow navin thats amzing yaar !!1
Tum saare manne lage se bhajwa ke e manoge manne bhi
Tum saare manne lage se bhajwa ke e manoge manne bhi
raj_rathee
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anuj_kadyan said:Wow navin thats amzing yaar !!1
Tum saare manne lage se bhajwa ke e manoge manne bhi
He he he...That is what I was thinking too ! I have started feeling damn
quilty...not that that has ever worked in the past
...but still..I am likeWow !!! these guys are pretty damn good...last time I ran cross-country
was when I was 12 and the teacher in school forced us to.
I agree with Kapoorji that one should do what is most comfortable while running. I think keeping both nose and mouth open is most efficient way of breathing without being conscious of it. And thats was I heard from our coach in college.
Regarding Navin's point that breathing from stomach is wrong way of breathing in Yoga, I disagree with it. I have been doing kapaalbhaati and other prayanaam techniques for 1 year and I have verified it from more than one teacher. This is what my guru Narayananji said;
Imagine your stomach and chest as a bottle with throat as bottle neck. You can inhale maximum amount of air only if bottle is full. When you breath in, first bottle's bottom is filled and then it starts up. In long deep breaths one has to inhale while expanding atomach and then fill lungs. Same way when you exhale one has to first empty stomach(if you empty bottle by turning upside down, its bottom empites first) and then lungs. I observed same technique in some yoga workshop too. I agree that, in yoga breathing from nose is emphasized but same doesn't hold for running.
No offences but I guess there was some misunderstanding, so navin, you can ask your guru again. Also notice, when a child is born he/she breaths from stomach and as we grow breathing from lungs develop. Lung breathing is shallow breathing. And thats what you do when you are stresses, stress hampers breathing and air goes just till lungs. When one is stressed deep breathing from stomach can relieve it.
BTW, runners have less rate of breathing than common people. And other interesting point; most of animal with low rate of breathing like elephant live longer than faster breathing(panting) animals like cats and dogs but it doesn't prove anything, it was just an observation.
Finally, breath in most convenient way while running according to you. There are always exceptions.
Vinod
Regarding Navin's point that breathing from stomach is wrong way of breathing in Yoga, I disagree with it. I have been doing kapaalbhaati and other prayanaam techniques for 1 year and I have verified it from more than one teacher. This is what my guru Narayananji said;
Imagine your stomach and chest as a bottle with throat as bottle neck. You can inhale maximum amount of air only if bottle is full. When you breath in, first bottle's bottom is filled and then it starts up. In long deep breaths one has to inhale while expanding atomach and then fill lungs. Same way when you exhale one has to first empty stomach(if you empty bottle by turning upside down, its bottom empites first) and then lungs. I observed same technique in some yoga workshop too. I agree that, in yoga breathing from nose is emphasized but same doesn't hold for running.
No offences but I guess there was some misunderstanding, so navin, you can ask your guru again. Also notice, when a child is born he/she breaths from stomach and as we grow breathing from lungs develop. Lung breathing is shallow breathing. And thats what you do when you are stresses, stress hampers breathing and air goes just till lungs. When one is stressed deep breathing from stomach can relieve it.
BTW, runners have less rate of breathing than common people. And other interesting point; most of animal with low rate of breathing like elephant live longer than faster breathing(panting) animals like cats and dogs but it doesn't prove anything, it was just an observation.
Finally, breath in most convenient way while running according to you. There are always exceptions.
Vinod
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Thanks for ur suggestions Vinod. Let me correct my statements about pranayam. My statements aren't true for all pranayam but the one is frequently do. As you mentioned Kapaalbhaati, I do it almost daily. I agree that one has to inhale in stomach as well but the other one Bhastrika pranayam that I do, one has to be very strict about not filing air in stomach. My tutor says that in all pranayams one can fill air in stomach but in some cases, it may be unhealthy. That's why I mentioned.
About the running issue, I started running about 8 years back. During school days it was only restricted when I played cricket. When I started running, I was never coached by specialist except some advice from Mr. Poonia in Jaipur. I read about it on the net and increased my knowledge. Moreover, when I started I wasn't running very long...only 4-5 kms. You know how difficult it can be if you run 4-5kms in a city like Delhi. You can be choked in the end. During those days, most of the time I breathed from nose as I never felt the need to breathe from my mouth. May be it wasn't a long disctance. I continued with the same after I came to France. Here I started running long distances and more frequently as well but in the same style. Here the terrain was bit difficult in the beginning but air was good for long distance runs. I continued with my same breathing style. I think I never felt the need of changing it. Now, you can imagine why I insisted on the breathing from nose. But both urs and Kapoor Singh's points are well taken.
Anyway, yesterday I had a good run of 25kms...completed succesfully in 2hr 10mins and Kapoor Singh should feel happy that I tried his suggestions as well...not 100% but many times during the run...But I noticed that opening mouth while running was not natural for me. I had to ask myself that I should open the mouth and breathe from mouth as well. Also in the begining, it was a bit tiring and my throat went dry very quickly but later on I got into more rthym. Thanks for all ur suggestions.
Navin
About the running issue, I started running about 8 years back. During school days it was only restricted when I played cricket. When I started running, I was never coached by specialist except some advice from Mr. Poonia in Jaipur. I read about it on the net and increased my knowledge. Moreover, when I started I wasn't running very long...only 4-5 kms. You know how difficult it can be if you run 4-5kms in a city like Delhi. You can be choked in the end. During those days, most of the time I breathed from nose as I never felt the need to breathe from my mouth. May be it wasn't a long disctance. I continued with the same after I came to France. Here I started running long distances and more frequently as well but in the same style. Here the terrain was bit difficult in the beginning but air was good for long distance runs. I continued with my same breathing style. I think I never felt the need of changing it. Now, you can imagine why I insisted on the breathing from nose. But both urs and Kapoor Singh's points are well taken.
Anyway, yesterday I had a good run of 25kms...completed succesfully in 2hr 10mins and Kapoor Singh should feel happy that I tried his suggestions as well...not 100% but many times during the run...But I noticed that opening mouth while running was not natural for me. I had to ask myself that I should open the mouth and breathe from mouth as well. Also in the begining, it was a bit tiring and my throat went dry very quickly but later on I got into more rthym. Thanks for all ur suggestions.
Navin
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Bhai Anujanuj_kadyan said:Wow navin thats amzing yaar !!1
Tum saare manne lage se bhajwa ke e manoge manne bhi
Buss kheech de meter ne! sochey matt na...
manney jab running start kari thee...to nyo-e hoya thaa...buss jootey peher ke tadke-tadak bhaaj liya...thodi hana daud ke lagya ke thaam jaa par manney soch rakhi thee ke ek particular time se pehle rukna koni...chahey main giy kyon na padoon...aur abhi bhee aisa hee karta hun main...
i think your will power must be stronger than ur body while running...
Batana kadh shuru kar raha hai!
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