Chinese Troops Recent Incursion in Ladakh

Too Much Nationalism, not nationalism. And I have explained it in the same post you quoted.

China unlike Pakistan has not been notorious on border. They have claimed a AP and Ladhakh but just claimed, no action yet ... agreed? And yes, I hope you can google enough to compare the military strengths of 2 nations? We are to them what Pakistan is to us.

On leadership, I dont know if they are weak or strong but I can surely say others would have been no different as any one, including you if you were the PM would solve this diplomatically and not militarily. And do you think India is not doing what China did to us? Infact that is what China is demanding from india, to remove bunkers from LAC and reduce the patrolling.


VPannu said:
Mr. Cabinet Secretary, why is nationalism unwanted here? Tell me what else warrants nationalism? Agar vo chinkey apne aale 2-3 sainika ki naad kaat jaate fer karna chahiye tha drama?
China knows well and truly about weak leadership in India which is why they do this often. Sometimes in Arunachal sometimes in up north. Why doesn't China hassles Japan for Senkaku Islands? They did try but Japan responded in a similar tone, flew some fighter jets over the islands and vehemently stated that islands are integral part of Japan and any action of intrusion will be severely dealt with.
Agreed that this incident is going to diplomatically dealt with par daraane ke liye thoda gurraana bhi jaroori hai.
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desijat said:
They have claimed a AP and Ladhakh but just claimed, no action yet ... agreed? And yes, I hope you can google enough to compare the military strengths of 2 nations? We are to them what Pakistan is to us.
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Unclear to what are you trying to ask in this question. China has OCCUPIED (not claimed) Aksai Chin. It is under Chinese administration. tere computer me google block hai ? tu bhi kar leta use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aksai_Chin .
 
malikdeepak1 said:
I dont want to pity you, but alas!

Fact is actually reverse as what you stated. I always talk things based on ground realities. Ministers are surrounded by IAS/IFS to make their decisions, but they make decisions what suits them politically well. They dont take each and every thing from their reportees. Isliye IAS hamesha rote hai ki ek angootha chaap humare upar hukum chalaata hai.

I did not say that we should attack China immediately. Did you see it somewhere in post? help me to locate it please. All I said was that we need to increase our arm strength and level of competency instead of eating everything thru corruption. And I know I am asking too much here from current impotent govt :)
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Dont pity me bro, ask someone who is either a minister or a bureaucrat how influenced or controlled ministers often are by Bs.. or see the series Ji Mantri Ji. It is not reality but very much close.

And maybe I read too much on attaching China part- It came that strong.
 
Haan, China main baitha hu to Google blocked hi hai

On Aksai Cheen, there is no demarkation of border, we claim something China claims something so who decides which territory is whose?

Listen to the second debate link I have pasted above once.

VPannu said:
Unclear to what are you trying to ask in this question. China has OCCUPIED (not claimed) Aksai Chin. It is under Chinese administration. tere computer me google block hai ? tu bhi kar leta use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aksai_Chin .
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malikdeepak1 said:
Bhai Vicky, I completely agree with you except puppet part. IFS are ruled by ministers sitting in parliament. They follow the directions that are passed on to them by ministry. If they don't, they are called back. They are a major link to maintain relations between tow countries, but how much freedom do they have? They can't even speak to the ministry from other nation without an approval from our ministry. As you rightly pointed, bureaucray is the culprit behind the inaction of everything in India.

Crux is, we lack sense of nationalism in ourselves except war. :(
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Deepak Bro,

You are right that bureaucrats are accountable to ministers. Bureucrats provide advice to ministers and final call is made by the ministers. Bureaucracy is an extension to the minister capacity.


Having said that, this bureaucracy needs a massive change as already explained in previous posts.
 
Anything on this by international media?

Couldn't find anything on Chinese intrusion in the world press. Searching "china+Intrusion+india" on international news sites is returning HTTP 408/HTTP 409(Is BSNL to be blamed?).

If someone has, pls share. Would be good to know what the international community says.
 
desijat said:
On Aksai Cheen, there is no demarkation of border, we claim something China claims something so who decides which territory is whose?
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What are you talking about? There IS a demarcation. Line of actual control to suna hoga? It is not an international border. The 1996 agreement states, "No activities of either side shall overstep the line of actual control." According to the Times of India, China has crossed the LAC more than 500 times since 2010.
Sirf jhakk na maara kar. kadde doosraa ki baat bhi maan liya kar. paanchvi class ke balak jukar bahas laga lega ki "na meri baat theek hai bass, teri saari baat galat"
Yo padh le - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_actual_control . map bhi hai isme, there achhi dhaal samajh me aajaagi baat.
 
VPannu said:
Sirf jhakk na maara kar. kadde doosraa ki baat bhi maan liya kar. paanchvi class ke balak jukar bahas laga lega ki "na meri baat theek hai bass, teri saari baat galat"
Yo padh le - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_actual_control . map bhi hai isme, there achhi dhaal samajh me aajaagi baat.
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दुसरे की मान ले एक-आधी बर ते मानस ना बन ज्या। एक लकीर पकड़ रहया से "लम्बर". बला स्टेट गोव्रमेंट ने आंकड़े दिए है तो सच्चे है। इतने सच्चे है तो मोदी सरकार जो लम्बर बतावे उन-ने क्यों नहीं मानता? उनके नाम पे इसका सीआईडी दिमाग घूमन लाग ज्या से। बाकि जो खंग्रेस लम्बर बता दे वा हरिशचन्द्र की जबान है भाई खातिर। जा रे भाई देसी, निरा ग्याल रह गया तू भी। (थिस इस नोट पर्सनल अटेक) :cool:
 
Things are getting BAD to WORST, Chinese troops have pitched tents 19km deep inside the Indian territory in Ladakh.
Recent News: Militants kill 4 policemen in Sopore area of Baramulla district.
On,one side china,one side pakistan,when will indian govt retaliate ?
 
VPannu said:
What are you talking about? There IS a demarcation. L.
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That is just a line on the map Pannu, I asked you to listen to experts in the discussion link I pasted. That line only exists on map but in reality there is NO BORDER DEMARCATION between INDIA and CHINA. Dont shoot the messenger without reading the message first.

If you go beyond your stubborn stand and search a bit more, a lot of experts have written that famous McMohan line only exists on maps and books, on ground there is no like.. hindi main kahu to sab andaaz hai. And in such scenarios both China and India infiltrate into each others territory knowingly and unknowingly.

Further, if you look at China's demand you will believe it more. China has asked India to remove bunkers from what it believes is not India's property and reduce patrolling.
 
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And to my surprise I am confused that no one has blamed Congress for China issue when in reality Nehru could easily be blamed for it and I'd agree with you.
 
भारत माता का क्या दुर्भाग्य है कि चीन हमारी सीमाओं में १९ किलोमीटर अन्दर तक घुस आया है।

सरकार बात करने में व्यस्त है,


और जनता आई. पी. एल. देखने में।

 
मेरा मित्र जो bsf में है उसने यह सुनिश्चित किया कि चीनी सैनिक 10 और 19 किलोमीटर तो बहुत पहले ही पार कर चुके थे। आज वो 46 किलोमीटर भीतर तक घुस चुके हैं और घुसते हुए वो टेलीफ़ोन टावर को गिरा रहे हैं एवं हमारी रेलवे लाइन को कब्जे में ले रहे हैं।
कोई कांग्रेसी भक्त बतायेगा कि हो क्या रहा है?

हम पर आक्रमण हुआ है और कोई भी मीडिया इसको नहीं दिखा रहा?

इस आक्रमण का उत्तर देने के लिए क्या तैयारी है हमारी?
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Arvindc said:
I believe, similar kind of border exits between Pak and India in J&K. However, what happens at that border is no secrete, Kargil was a classic example.
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Not exactly similar in terms of terrain. The terrain of the McMahon line is far tougher and inaccessible than the Radcliffe line. Plus, the latter is heavily guarded due to the Kashmir insurgency.

Something like Kargil can happen on the China side too. I have personally seen from a distance bunkers that have been abandoned by the IA in the winters only to be reoccupied in spring. China could, if it wanted to, do a Kargil on us anytime and occupy these before IA/ITBP come back in spring. But apart from this instance of intrusion, there has been no other instance of conflict with the Chinese even though the border isn't very well demarcated on the ground. In any case, as I said earlier, we would have to wait to get a clear idea of how this incident happened.
 
rajpaldular said:
मेरा मित्र जो bsf में है उसने यह सुनिश्चित किया कि चीनी सैनिक 10 और 19 किलोमीटर तो बहुत पहले ही पार कर चुके थे। आज वो 46 किलोमीटर भीतर तक घुस चुके हैं और घुसते हुए वो टेलीफ़ोन टावर को गिरा रहे हैं एवं हमारी रेलवे लाइन को कब्जे में ले रहे हैं।
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Rajpal ji, copy paste karne se pahle ye to dekh lete Leh Laddhakh main kounsi rail line jati hai?
 
40 Chinese soldiers camping in India is no intrusion, says Union minister RPN Singh

The marching boots of theRed Army remains a sudden rash of acne which needs an ointment for the Indian government. While the Chinese stubbornly camp 19 km inside Indian Territory for 15 days, the Centre continues to grovel before the dragon and wobble in its response. If the Prime Minister has called it a localised problem, Union minister RPN Singh delivered a shocker, refusing to call even a 19-km land-grab anincursion.

Speaking to Rahul Kanwal in Aajtak's Seedhi Baat programme, Singh said, "The Chinese think we are intruding into their territory. Forty Chinese soldiers camping in four tents is not an intrusion. We think it's our territory. It's a matter of perception. It's an over 4000-km undemarcated border. The army will be deployed only when there's an incursion. Talks are on and the standoff will be resolved through diplomacy."


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/rpn-singh-on-chinese-incursion-on-aajtak-seedhi-baat/1/268169.html


The quote- " Army of Sheeps led by Lion will always defeat Army of Lions led by a Sheep" fits perfect for current situation. I feel history will repeat again.
 
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