Common Word for Identity of Jat Community

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आपके शरीर और आवाज से निकली तरंगे ही आपका असली परिचय दे देंगी !

आप राम राम , जय राम जी की , जय शिवा या नमस्ते कहें,
आप सामने वाले व्यक्ति का कितना सम्मान कर रहे हैं, ये इस बात पर भी निर्भर करता है की सम्भोधन के समय आप का लहजा , भावः भंगिमा कैसी हैं / आपकी जुबान और शरीर से निकली तरंगे ही आपका असली परिचय दे देंगी , और सामने वाले को समझने में तनिक भी देरी नही लगेगी की आप जाट हैं /आप अपनी वाणी व व्यवहार
में इमानदारी बरतिए , दुसरे जाट को आपके जाट होने का भरोसा हो ही जाएगा!


Very true sir!!!.......Even I have experienced dis thing so many times....:)
I m totally agreed dat its ur gestures ,ur way of talking ,ur behaviour etc ....dat introduce U n reveals to others dat u r a jaat..!!!

just be honest in ur behaviour n be what u are!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
 
Or sab naa hon to shayad hamara kam chal jai per Jat key bina nahi chal sakta.

Ye kamiya bataana nahi hota Karamveer ji, apne vichaar prastut karna hota hai. Aur agar hum kisi ke vichaar se sehmat nahi hote hain to iska ye matlab nahi hota ki hum usme kami nikaal rahe hain !

Ye kamiya batana hee hai Shweta Jee or shayad sabsay aasan bhee yahi hai keukee "Na" kerney key baad kuchh nahi kerna padta or "Han" kerney key baad bahut kuchh kerna padta hai. Isliyea kuchh kerny say aasan hai kuchh kerney waley ko critisize kerna.

Aur agar ye baat aapne sache dil se kahi hai to pehli baat ye ki ye kami nahi hai soch ka farak hai, aur aapko isse ye nuksaan hai ki is sankuchit maansikta ke saath koi vyakti khushi se jeevanyaapan nahi kar sakta.

Jat to jo likhta hai sachchey man say hi likhta hai or mein is sankuchit vichar dhara ko rekhtey hua bhee Bahut khus hun or agar kabhee koi dukh hota hai to Badey vichardhara waley logo ko dekhker hota hai jo aapno kee baat kerney ko bhee tayar nahi hai.

Aap subah se lekar apne dainik jeevan me jo bhi aavyaashaktaayein poori karte hain wo Jato ke dwaara nahi apitu sab jaatiyo ke logo ki sahaayata se karte hain.

Danik jeevan ke aavaashaktain puri kerney key liye jo bhee sadhan chahiyea unkey liyea paisa diya jata hai or uskey badley mein sambandhit log hamara kam kertey hai isey sahayata nahi kaha jata.

Aapka doodhwaala Jat nahi hoga, aapne apna Cable connection kisi Jat se nahi liya hoga, aapko akhbaar dene Jat nahi aata hoga, aap raashan ka samaan hamesha Jat se nahi khareedte hoge, aap naukri Jato ke yaha nahi karte hoge, aap hamesha ek Jat MLA ke area me hi nahi rahe honge, aap sabji Jat dukaandaar se nahi lete honge, aapko mechanic ki jarurat padti hogi to wo bhi Jat to nahi hota hoga .....

Uprokt jo bhee kam aapney batai hai wo sabhee kam jat bhee kertey hai or agar sambhev hota hai to iska avser mein kesee jat ko hee deta hun jahan jat uplabdh nahi hai wahan kesee or say kam liya jata hai keukee yea shabhee kam/vastuyea paisa deker miltee hai islyea agar kesee jat ko iska avser diya jayega to uskey vayvsai mein vardhi hogi or wo khushaal banega.

Har jagah jab aap NON-JAT ki madad lete hain to fir unki madad se kyo katraana, ye hamaari sanskrit hai??

Mein sadharntaya kesee kee madad nahi leta or nahee koi kam free karvana pasand kerta hun. Jahan tak madad kee baat hai to prathmikta jat ko hee hoti hai uskey baad kesee ke bhee madad kee ja sakti hai.

"Charity begins from home"
 
very true

Mein sadharntaya kesee kee madad nahi leta or nahee koi kam free karvana pasand kerta hun. Jahan tak madad kee baat hai to prathmikta jat ko hee hoti hai uskey baad kesee ke bhee madad kee ja sakti hai.

"Charity begins from home"

Very true Karamveerji

I am 100% agree with you.

Regards,
 
Its not worth a penny to interact with an obdurate mindset

Mein sadharntaya kesee kee madad nahi leta or nahee koi kam free karvana pasand kerta hun. Jahan tak madad kee baat hai to prathmikta jat ko hee hoti hai uskey baad kesee ke bhee madad kee ja sakti hai.

"Charity begins from home"
A human being with a murky goggles of extraneous thoughts by no means changes for good ! Hence proved.
 
Its same for both of us.

For mee what i am saying is good for my comunity and for you I dont know to whom it is good. If we are not concerned for our own comunity then who knows what we do for others.

A human being with a murky goggles of extraneous thoughts by no means changes for good ! Hence proved.
 
Dear Shweta dhaka ji

Aapka bhashan kaabile tareef hai, magar kya aapne kabhi notice kiya hai ki aaj bhi jat kafi pichhde huye hain, awareness ki bahut jayada kami hai jaaton mein specially in rural areas.

Aapne shayad ye bhi notice kiya hoga ki Ek sardar dusre sardar ki aur ek baniya dusre baniye ki ya phir ek chamar dusre chamar ki bahut jyada favour lete hain.

Parantu jab kisi jat ki madad ki baat ati hai to kuch samajhdar aur padhe likhe jat jo khud to accha kama-kha rahe hai mager kisi ki help nahin karte, yehi main reason hai jaton ke pichhde pan ka.

Kuchh log to aise hain jinhe apne aap ko jat kehte huye bhi sharm aati hai.

Main ye nahin kehta ki hamen non jat ki madad nahin karne chahiye magar jahan ham kisi jat ki help kar sakte hain wahan hamesha jat ko preference dena chahiye.

PROUD TO BE A JAT

Ajay ji have you ever noticed that how much of cribbing you are doing?
Sardars are like that , baniyas are like that , they are well off. Jat are unaware and etc etc , blah blah blah!

Instead of cribbing all the way what efforts do you make to remove the shortcomings! In today's world , the first thing one has to do is to be beveolent , mix up with everyone , seek help from whereever available!

har time jat-tidue , arrogance , , rudeness ka rhetoric gaa ke , what do you think , we are going to progress?
in an college how may jat students would be there , i would not have progressed if not taken help from everyone else which were for sure not jats!
there are so many good initiatives taken for jats and i was referrring to in my first post that rather tahan finding ways to let people know we are jats , do something concrete.
why should we expect people to come to us and then recognise we are jat , why not go and reach out to those who are needy in the first place!



What abt bowing at ninty degree and saying in rhythm


---->Molad'ism Kayam rahe, Hum Nahi Sudherenge aur aise hi Taang khincahi karenge'

It is evident also...No?

Real Identity a Jat can have is to be a better human being rather than an illuded fanatic.

Samar , categorising right as right and wrong as wrong ought to be done! :)



Days are not far when some of these fanatics of JAT-ish ness would call for a separate JAT state!
Life does not start with word JAT and end with that!
 
A human being with a murky goggles of extraneous thoughts by no means changes for good ! Hence proved.

So you are touching the realms of mathematics :) good to see that!

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Regarding that just talking about our community is by default good , I disagree!

Mere talking and doing nothing and doing stupid unwanted things does not help!
If people can remember I was told by many to relax and not try to push when someone announced that he would take some initiative! :) Even some of dear moderators and senior members advised me to calm and not to interfere. That thing which has been peacefully deposited in the archives of the JL server did not even start!

Now give me excuses that berlin wall was not built in 4 months ! :)

Rhetoric of lets do this , lets do that for our community , raging community sentiments and then doing nothing does not help anyone but a few!

I can see that for sure that some people have mastered this art! ;)
 
Bhai Karamveer, Nothing to be ashamed off! It is just a discussion!

A friend of mine once commented that we jats are full of enegy.
Other friend commented,"bhai jatton mein enegegy kucchh jyada hi hai , bahoot jaldi chhalak jati hai"
Do we all still need to discuss for a "Distinct word or " set of words" that can be exclusively used by jats to identify ourselves.
Haven't we proved, even on this thread that our behviour itself depicts our true identity.Some special and exclusive Jat traits keep popping up or keep spreading viberations carrying a message 'loud and Clear' that we are jats.
A religious minded gentleman Sh. Karamveer Chahal and an intelligent girl like Sweta can't even bury within or stop it to surface in their discussion. I mean that 'Die hard attitude' even in a discussion.

My grandfather, a staunch Aryasamaji would,t consider Ram as god with so many flaws in his behaviour and would call Shri Krishana as ' a lumpat' always running around girls and wouldn,t consider even 'Dev tulya' forget about as all powerfull God!

Also majority of Jats don't greet each other with "jai ramji ki" but Namaste, simple words like key hall sai , Theek so, Raaji so etc.

If any brother or sister still needs a word or words to identify himself or herself than why not to exclaim in Greeting , "jai jat"



Cheer!
 
Dear Pawan Kumar

Quite hard to guess in respect of common words like RAMRAM or HARI OM as these are common for other community people in Haryana.I reckon its better to find some other means to identify people.
 
I couldn't understand that why we need some separate 'words' to identify ourselves ?
Why it is compulsory to greet in some specific manner ?
What is the harm in using already existing universal words to greet someone ?
Is there any identity crisis for us if we say "Hello" or "Namaste" ?
Why some people here always talk like separatists ?
Why people feel so insecure that they need some separate words to identify themselves ?

Don't they have any recognition yet. If so, then sorry to say that some words can't change their status for sure
 
anil who do you think u are? ... i guess, every body at JATland knows u by anil singh dalal. correct !!!

i ask u one simple question... y dont u write yr name as anil singh world or anil singh universe or may be anil singh milkyway. i know u wont write all these hypothetical names/surnames cos dalal is yr gotra identity among JAT’s. u got no meaning if tht suffix is not behind yr name.

this thread is calling to define an identity for JAT's, sumthing thts vry much characteristic of JAT's nd can identify a JAT thru simple greeting.

... ok tell me honestly - do u think tht u will feel ashamed if sum1 greets u in a way so as to reveal yr identity? or for tht matter wud u feel ashamed if sumone calls u a JAT?

well if u do then i or no-one can offer u any reasoning. if not then u hav all the reasons in the world to proudly call yr.self a JAT nd feel the utmost pride in being called so. my friend don’t lose yr. identity… this is sumthing u've inherited thru yr forefathers. feel the pride to carry forward this identity to yr nxt generation… nd proudly proclaim “yes, I am proud to be a JAT”

yr identity shapes your culture/tradition, in fact yr very own existence in as much the same way as yr personality instructs yr true behavior. so understanding yourself, knowing what makes you tick and having a grasp on how you are viewed and perceived by the outside world is the true essence of yr identity. the key is to put a little time toward thinking about it and having pride in the process… rest I guess u r intelligent enuff. :)



Bhaiji Hat's off to u. That is the real thing which we have to understand. ..:)
 
Dear Vijay Kumar

There is no need to have some separate words to identify ourselves as these come from region we belongs to.

I am agree with you that there is no need to behave differently in terms of greetings.

There is no harm in using universal words to greet someone but if i am from Rohtak i might have a dialect that is different from someone who is from Panipat.

Although Hello or Namaste are the most common words to greet but i might find myself comfortable with some common words from Rohtak accent which reveal the same meaning.

I am not sure to whom you are refering to act as a separatists but sometimes it depends upon how do we interpret some things.Positive outlook might change our vision.

I never find myself insecure if i am in Haryana and i am using my Haryanvi language.

Last but not least..If am at a local meeting, i would prefer to act local rather than global.

Cheers
 
bhai vijay , ye baat algavwad ki nahi hain. agar koi greeting word ho to usme mere khyaal ta burai bi koi na s. bakki taam adde gyaani bahut so salah den n ak kya ta aur kis tarah kaum ka bhala hoga.

shweta dhaka, chhori baat neu s, hume dushro ki madad karne me koi pahrej nahi hona chahiye par apno ki madad karne me bi pahrej nahi hona chahiye.
hamare naam ke aage choudhary likha jata hain, jiska matlab jo choudhar kare wo choudhary , aur ye tabi sambhav jab hum aapno ki madad kare .
abi pichhe si Dr.Sukhbir Sangwan ji ko BC Ray khitab se nawaaja thha . par iski coverage media me nahi ki gai, bas rohtak bhaskar me ek chhoti si khabar laga di. agar ye kissi brahman ya bappa kaum se hote to shyaad puri tawajoo di jatti.
aaj hamari kaum kai hisso me batti hui hain ye sab aap logo ke inn vicharo ke karan hain. kaumi ekta bahut jarurui hain, hum ek dushre ki madad karenge tabi aage badenge. hamari aabadi karib 7 crore hain (sabi dharamo ke jat ko mila kar) par wajood na ke brabar hain, ye brahman desh me 7% hain aur desh pe raaj karte hain kyuki inme ekta hain.
aap log sirf 9 se 5 tak ko hi taraqi mante ho kya...m zaatiwad ki baat nahi kar raha hu par kabi gaur karna ye aur hamare saath kaisa bheedbhav karte hain.
ebb site pe hi likh diya sirf "HINDU JATS " ki site ...batao jat ekta kaise hogi. adde bi dharam me fanss re s ,
ebb yo bhai koi badiya sa greeting word puchhe s taam adde bi saru ho gaye, isme koi burai koni bhaiyo.
 
So you are touching the realms of mathematics :) good to see that!

===========================

Regarding that just talking about our community is by default good , I disagree!

Mere talking and doing nothing and doing stupid unwanted things does not help!
If people can remember I was told by many to relax and not try to push when someone announced that he would take some initiative! :) Even some of dear moderators and senior members advised me to calm and not to interfere. That thing which has been peacefully deposited in the archives of the JL server did not even start!

Now give me excuses that berlin wall was not built in 4 months ! :)

Rhetoric of lets do this , lets do that for our community , raging community sentiments and then doing nothing does not help anyone but a few!

I can see that for sure that some people have mastered this art! ;)

I couldn't understand that why we need some separate 'words' to identify ourselves ?
Why it is compulsory to greet in some specific manner ?
What is the harm in using already existing universal words to greet someone ?
Is there any identity crisis for us if we say "Hello" or "Namaste" ?
Why some people here always talk like separatists ?
Why people feel so insecure that they need some separate words to identify themselves ?

Don't they have any recognition yet. If so, then sorry to say that some words can't change their status for sure

NAKKAR KHANE ME TOOTI KI AWAJ :rockham nahi sunenge
 
Bhai Karamveer, Nothing to be ashamed off! It is just a discussion!

A friend of mine once commented that we jats are full of enegy.
Other friend commented,"bhai jatton mein enegegy kucchh jyada hi hai , bahoot jaldi chhalak jati hai"
Do we all still need to discuss for a "Distinct word or " set of words" that can be exclusively used by jats to identify ourselves.
Haven't we proved, even on this thread that our behviour itself depicts our true identity.Some special and exclusive Jat traits keep popping up or keep spreading viberations carrying a message 'loud and Clear' that we are jats.
A religious minded gentleman Sh. Karamveer Chahal and an intelligent girl like Sweta can't even bury within or stop it to surface in their discussion. I mean that 'Die hard attitude' even in a discussion.

My grandfather, a staunch Aryasamaji would,t consider Ram as god with so many flaws in his behaviour and would call Shri Krishana as ' a lumpat' always running around girls and wouldn,t consider even 'Dev tulya' forget about as all powerfull God!

Also majority of Jats don't greet each other with "jai ramji ki" but Namaste, simple words like key hall sai , Theek so, Raaji so etc.

If any brother or sister still needs a word or words to identify himself or herself than why not to exclaim in Greeting , "jai jat"



Cheer!
Thats true to the core - there is a die hard attitude - and often its the backbone of every marvelous thing. Though I dont regard it to be an all Jat characteristic, but yes, this is a peculiar attribute of we people.

But, its usage carries a paramount magnitude. It can make or mar things as is evident here. Die hard attitude in itself depicts nothing unless it finds itself linked with a concern or an underlying issue. at hand.



Die hard attitude to talk nonsense & die hard attitude to talk sense are wholly opposites and one can easily see the divergence that the underlying perception makes! :rolleyes:

Anyways, the issue here is the caste specific fanaticism some members are screening.:mad:

I am a Jat, I acknowledge this identity of mine and fully concur that being a Jat means having some typically specific qualities imbibed in you by birth. So, I see & feel myself to be Jat, but I cant stand the logic being put on show here by some member which says that being a Jat means taking help only from a Jat & helping out only a Jat & blah blah:o …..



It is something like a woman saying that I am a woman & I have peculiar characteristics which are truly gender specific & thus I will help only a woman & will take help only from a woman in the first place ! :D:thappad How much foolish this is !



Being proud of some exclusivity and still being unprejudiced is a bliss. But such delineation, chauvinism & bigotry in this savor are ills. I slam and condemn it & will always do.



 
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this thread is calling to define an identity for JAT's, sumthing thts vry much characteristic of JAT's nd can identify a JAT thru simple greeting. :)

ebb yo bhai koi badiya sa greeting word puchhe s taam adde bi saru ho gaye, isme koi burai koni bhaiyo.

as quoted abv by me nd reiterated by many...
this thread is calling to define an identity for JAT's,
sumthing thts vry much characteristic of JAT's
nd can identify a JAT thru simple greeting.
those who cannot make fruitful/constructive contributions can devote their time on other forums/threads
.
...
simple rules, explained simply... हाडे धुमस्स्स तारने की जरुरत कोण्या !!! :D:):D

i find all three below worth considering, however i feel
"jai JAT" is simple nd precise. :)
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How about Jai Hind. Secular like Jats and reeks with love for land. Of course it might not go well with Jats in Pakistan.

How about using Jat Reigment's punch line - "JAT BALWAN, JAI BHAGWAN"

"jai jat"

p.s. : ......... jai JAT :):):)
 
anil who do you think u are? ... i guess, every body at JATland knows u by anil singh dalal. correct !!!

i ask u one simple question... y dont u write yr name as anil singh world or anil singh universe or may be anil singh milkyway. i know u wont write all these hypothetical names/surnames cos dalal is yr gotra identity among JAT’s. u got no meaning if tht suffix is not behind yr name.


Mere emphasis on the last word is in appropriate Brahm. People also know me by Anil! dont give me logic that there are so many Anil's that are not here on JL , there are also so many dalal's who are not here!

And mere Dalal does not produce my identity , Anil is equally important and most important is my self , my ideas , my views and lot other things!


this thread is calling to define an identity for JAT's, sumthing thts vry much characteristic of JAT's nd can identify a JAT thru simple greeting.

Yes , and you know something , there is inherent contradiction in the statement of yours. On one hand you are saying identity of Jat's is something which is very much cahracteristic of them and on the other you are trying to find one through a common greeting or something?


... ok tell me honestly - do u think tht u will feel ashamed if sum1 greets u in a way so as to reveal yr identity? or for tht matter wud u feel ashamed if sumone calls u a JAT?

well if u do then i or no-one can offer u any reasoning. if not then u hav all the reasons in the world to proudly call yr.self a JAT nd feel the utmost pride in being called so. my friend don’t lose yr. identity… this is sumthing u've inherited thru yr forefathers. feel the pride to carry forward this identity to yr nxt generation… nd proudly proclaim “yes, I am proud to be a JAT”

yr identity shapes your culture/tradition, in fact yr very own existence in as much the same way as yr personality instructs yr true behavior. so understanding yourself, knowing what makes you tick and having a grasp on how you are viewed and perceived by the outside world is the true essence of yr identity. the key is to put a little time toward thinking about it and having pride in the process… rest I guess u r intelligent enuff. :)


Yes , i dont need an identity because i already have it. There is no feeling of ashamedness of anything. I am prudent enough to let everyone know from where i come from , what my gradfathers did , waht my cousins who are in villages do!


Different people have opined already that the distinct tinge of pronunciation we have when we speak and the aura around us is sufficient enough for anyone to recognise what we are!

We dont have an identity crisis , at all , it is just the imagination and the work of people who want to rage community sentiments and in the process derail people from focussing on the more important issues at hand! :)
 
I never said, what u understood

Ajay ji have you ever noticed that how much of cribbing you are doing?
Sardars are like that , baniyas are like that , they are well off. Jat are unaware and etc etc , blah blah blah!

Instead of cribbing all the way what efforts do you make to remove the shortcomings! In today's world , the first thing one has to do is to be beveolent , mix up with everyone , seek help from whereever available!

har time jat-tidue , arrogance , , rudeness ka rhetoric gaa ke , what do you think , we are going to progress?
in an college how may jat students would be there , i would not have progressed if not taken help from everyone else which were for sure not jats!
there are so many good initiatives taken for jats and i was referrring to in my first post that rather tahan finding ways to let people know we are jats , do something concrete.
why should we expect people to come to us and then recognise we are jat , why not go and reach out to those who are needy in the first place!





Samar , categorising right as right and wrong as wrong ought to be done! :)



Days are not far when some of these fanatics of JAT-ish ness would call for a separate JAT state!
Life does not start with word JAT and end with that!

Dear Anilji

You didn't get my point or got it in a wrong way what I said. I am not against helping each other, I always say if you have an opportunity to help two persons at same time you must prefer a Jat to uplift our community.

I assure you that this is not hypocrisy; I helped my community so many times in many ways.

I am in HR department and always prefer to give a change to Jat candidate, even if he/she is having a little inferior candidature.

Hope you get my point of view.

Thanks,
 
Unable to find out a common word

Dear anil ji,

Thanks for giving a proper answer but i am sad that jatland is a such platform of jats and we are unable to find out a common word, most of the members have initiated a possitive direction but few negative thinking members have initiated a negative direction.
 
Thanks for Successfully concluding this thread Pawan Ji.:)

As Pawan ji has mentioned that thread has acomplished its motive in the terms of discussion, this thread is beling closed.
 
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