atul.jhajhria
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devdahiya said:
You gave your views, i disagree with your views.
Hence i refuted them with reasons. Do you have problem with that
Cut in Food Subsidy-denounce this
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You gave your views, i disagree with your views.
Hence i refuted them with reasons. Do you have problem with that
atul.jhajhria
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devdahiya said:
pawned
Dont get angry dev, its all part of debates. Be strong
atul.jhajhria said:pawned
Dont get angry dev, its all part of debates. Be strong
God must make you doubly strong...so i pray....you need it a lot bhai. Carry on...bang on regardless. People who have met me [many of Jatlanders] must be laughing their hearts out. Pawned...what....? Phew.......daring you! Arr nyu batta teri uss subsidy ki rabbaddi ka ke huya....khindda di arr seet ka barolla thha liya....Tum ND sou bhai.....ha...ha...ha God bless !
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atul.jhajhria
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devdahiya said:
lmao, you are taking God's help
If you cant accept the facts or if you cant give counter view then why to give your views. You are not holier than thou that we are not entitled to refute your views.
Sarcasm is very much part of debates. However i wont use it in future(especially with you) because its taking too much toll
atul.jhajhria said:lmao, you are taking God's help
If you cant accept the facts or if you cant give counter view then why to give your views. You are not holier than thou that we are not entitled to refute your views.
Sarcasm is very much part of debates. However i wont use it in future(especially with you) because its taking too much toll
You and facts....R U crazy ? Bachcha hei yaar.........Will take you time....ought to grind yourself. And listen, better concentrate on Subsidies else all those downtroddens will curse you........speed up that operation.
rkumar said:
Rajendra Sir,
You and Sumit are correct in being the proponents of no-subsidies and market oriented approach. But what should be debated is the timing of this implementation and the manner of implementation. Cutting subsidies when Europe and US are still subsidizing their rich farmers will be fatal for the health of indian farm sector and jats in particular.
narenderkharb
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It was good to see every one is concerned about the poor man but their approach varies.
Problem is some of our red commarades never come out of drawing rooms to see how this PDS AND BPL sYSTEM works.
I would reuest RS dAHIA ji to plz visit any floor mill owner in Najaf garh area and enquire how this wheat ment for poor people reach them,even some of it they get directly from FCI under the pretext of damaged grains via bribery.
My freinds will be in a shock if they get the complete details of these subsidies under food subsidy category,clearly explained by many economists 90% of these subsidies go to the pocket of rich people like subsidies given on petro products under food subsidy group.
Subsidies given in the name of fertilizers go to the pockets of corrupt officials even foreign firms are ready to give fertilizers at much cheaper rates(after bribing also) than our indian IFFCO.
I talk about the poorest of poor The FARMER and his son LABOURER(which our reds don't identify) they would never mind this swindling of money ,but the jock that they are given some thing without getting anything is more hurting,and Govt.need not to do any thing since it already did via subsidies which goes directly to richman's pockets.what a cruel joke to this perenial sufferer.
Shard joshi Tikait and some leaders who represnt this class of farmers and poor people time and again have demanded we donot want subsidies but just the right price of our produce,whose prices are put under strain via imports.
In an intersting debate about poor people on a tv channel respected commarade Chatrunan mishra ji who got a chance as Agriculture and food ministr,got emotional and shouted how our farmers can compete with other countries where farm inputs are heavily subsidised to it Setkari sanghdan leader quipped what happened to your this wisdom when every boby was saying this thing and you imported damaged wheat in the name of poor and unavoidability of compition in this global era,naturally MISHRA JI was looking on the other side.
Problem is some of our red commarades never come out of drawing rooms to see how this PDS AND BPL sYSTEM works.
I would reuest RS dAHIA ji to plz visit any floor mill owner in Najaf garh area and enquire how this wheat ment for poor people reach them,even some of it they get directly from FCI under the pretext of damaged grains via bribery.
My freinds will be in a shock if they get the complete details of these subsidies under food subsidy category,clearly explained by many economists 90% of these subsidies go to the pocket of rich people like subsidies given on petro products under food subsidy group.
Subsidies given in the name of fertilizers go to the pockets of corrupt officials even foreign firms are ready to give fertilizers at much cheaper rates(after bribing also) than our indian IFFCO.
I talk about the poorest of poor The FARMER and his son LABOURER(which our reds don't identify) they would never mind this swindling of money ,but the jock that they are given some thing without getting anything is more hurting,and Govt.need not to do any thing since it already did via subsidies which goes directly to richman's pockets.what a cruel joke to this perenial sufferer.
Shard joshi Tikait and some leaders who represnt this class of farmers and poor people time and again have demanded we donot want subsidies but just the right price of our produce,whose prices are put under strain via imports.
In an intersting debate about poor people on a tv channel respected commarade Chatrunan mishra ji who got a chance as Agriculture and food ministr,got emotional and shouted how our farmers can compete with other countries where farm inputs are heavily subsidised to it Setkari sanghdan leader quipped what happened to your this wisdom when every boby was saying this thing and you imported damaged wheat in the name of poor and unavoidability of compition in this global era,naturally MISHRA JI was looking on the other side.
atul.jhajhria
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I did not intended to further indulge in this discussion but i could not stop myself to atleast try to help other people. If you have any difficulty in understanding then feel free to ask.
Here you are confusing between two entirely different thing. We are discussing: Cut in food subsidy and its impact on BPl people.
You are referring to different problem: Does subsidies find its way to people for whom they are designed.
However if you wish to combine these two different things then we have government as culprit, as it fails in its own scheme.
However if government thinks that their can be more effective way of distributing the food to BPl people then they should provide the outline of that plan before cutting food subsidy. However whatever method government uses it will be same as subsidy as long as food is given at cheaper rate or free.
I disagree, I have a close relative working as manager in IFFCO and as far as he has told me there is not as big corruption as to generalize with whole IFFCO. Some incidences are bound to happen but a company like IFFCO can never sustain if they give fertilizer at higher price.
It may be possible that during some duration heavily subsidized foreign company may have offered cheaper fertilizers.
I agree with you.
I think here you are trying to give example why subsidies are not necessary. Tell me if i understood it wrong.
Their is slight difference in what they intend to say and what you have understood from the statement.
They are merely asking for right price because they think that if farmers will get right price for their crop then farmers will be at far more beneficial position even if government removes subsidies.
They are not asking to remove subsidies This is the matter of relative benifit.
Thats a nice example of ignorance/double-standards of our Politicians.
narenderkharb said:
Here you are confusing between two entirely different thing. We are discussing: Cut in food subsidy and its impact on BPl people.
You are referring to different problem: Does subsidies find its way to people for whom they are designed.
However if you wish to combine these two different things then we have government as culprit, as it fails in its own scheme.
However if government thinks that their can be more effective way of distributing the food to BPl people then they should provide the outline of that plan before cutting food subsidy. However whatever method government uses it will be same as subsidy as long as food is given at cheaper rate or free.
narenderkharb said:
I disagree, I have a close relative working as manager in IFFCO and as far as he has told me there is not as big corruption as to generalize with whole IFFCO. Some incidences are bound to happen but a company like IFFCO can never sustain if they give fertilizer at higher price.
It may be possible that during some duration heavily subsidized foreign company may have offered cheaper fertilizers.
narenderkharb said:
I agree with you.
narenderkharb said:
I think here you are trying to give example why subsidies are not necessary. Tell me if i understood it wrong.
Their is slight difference in what they intend to say and what you have understood from the statement.
They are merely asking for right price because they think that if farmers will get right price for their crop then farmers will be at far more beneficial position even if government removes subsidies.
They are not asking to remove subsidies
This is the matter of relative benifit.narenderkharb said:
Thats a nice example of ignorance/double-standards of our Politicians.
narenderkharb
Active member
Having socialist views if it means equalit and gurantee againt exploitation is really great thing,which every student coming out of the institution posseses
Thinking about the poor is a virtue which every right thinking person should have.
However the real problem starts when we adopt policies with a stated goal to help the poor which serve just the opposite purpose,lead this group in to the vicious circle of poverty.
As Atul wants to suggest don't cut till altenate way is found out my point was since the 90% subsidies are already cornered by rich what purpose will contnuance of this drama serve except flattening rich man's pockets.
Secondly the Govt which is avoiding its duty via subsidy farce will have to do some thing concrete instead.
It will have to give remunerative prices to farmers which it is avoiding taking refuge under subsidy umbrella.
As far understandig farmer leaders are concerned I would say I had personal long discussions with them like ghansi ram nain dhaya tikait Bhopal singh and others in 1987 except Shard joshi(whose views are well known) during the famous dharana for many days at India gate lawns.All of them are againt subsidies and in favour of remunarative prices.I joined that during my Msc. as I felt ,they are not fighting for themselves but for us.
Thinking about the poor is a virtue which every right thinking person should have.
However the real problem starts when we adopt policies with a stated goal to help the poor which serve just the opposite purpose,lead this group in to the vicious circle of poverty.
As Atul wants to suggest don't cut till altenate way is found out my point was since the 90% subsidies are already cornered by rich what purpose will contnuance of this drama serve except flattening rich man's pockets.
Secondly the Govt which is avoiding its duty via subsidy farce will have to do some thing concrete instead.
It will have to give remunerative prices to farmers which it is avoiding taking refuge under subsidy umbrella.
As far understandig farmer leaders are concerned I would say I had personal long discussions with them like ghansi ram nain dhaya tikait Bhopal singh and others in 1987 except Shard joshi(whose views are well known) during the famous dharana for many days at India gate lawns.All of them are againt subsidies and in favour of remunarative prices.I joined that during my Msc. as I felt ,they are not fighting for themselves but for us.
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dahiyarules
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You know something Atul, you must stop being so stubborn. The point is not loosing or winning. The point is the message that we are conveying to other readers of this forum.
For me, the most important thing in an Individual's life is liberty. I dont think that you are familiar with the phrase : "conceived in liberty." It means liberty is our birth right. Life and liberty are inseparable.
Your socialist ideas are completely anti-liberty. I want to empower people. My ideas do exactly the same. I dont want people to be the slaves of the government. Let people clame their liberty. The first step in this direction would be to reduce the size of goverment in our lives.
You asked for it. So, you will get it now. I dont want you to feel that I quit. Its jsut that you are such a bonehead, that I dont consider you worth my time and effort. I had rather talk to people who posess a sane level of mental capabilities.
This time I will refute your statement, from their nomenclature point of view. Your statements are completely flawed. Let me tell you and others how.
Let me describe what "analytical statement means."
Step 1 You make a claim.
Step 2 You analyze the claim
Step 3 You back up the claim with sound reasoning.
Step 4 You connext the reasoning with the claim
Your statements lack the flowchart, that I just mentioned. Thus they are flawed in the entirity. You do a good job at making a claim. But, god only knows what happens after that. You just fail to connect your reasoning with the claim.
The only reason India and China have seen prosperity knock their doors, over the past few years in because of the reduction of government in our economies. If it were upto socialists like you (thank me that I havent called you a facist communist yet), we would still be living in the dark ages.
I am not asking you to change your mind. Actually, I want you to be the extremist socialist that you are. People like you give me a reason to be an activist. People of your leanings have had a smooth sail for several decades. They have tested the nerves of "lovers of liberty" like me for several decades. We are not going to tollerate your BS/crap anymore. You will find us at every stage of your propoganda. We will continue to make life a living hell for you. Socialism died out long time ago. It's ghosts still fool around though. Just think of us as the "ghostbusters." And we will not rest in peace till we bring the bells of liberty to every door and household in the habitable universe.
Good luck.
For me, the most important thing in an Individual's life is liberty. I dont think that you are familiar with the phrase : "conceived in liberty." It means liberty is our birth right. Life and liberty are inseparable.
Your socialist ideas are completely anti-liberty. I want to empower people. My ideas do exactly the same. I dont want people to be the slaves of the government. Let people clame their liberty. The first step in this direction would be to reduce the size of goverment in our lives.
You asked for it. So, you will get it now. I dont want you to feel that I quit. Its jsut that you are such a bonehead, that I dont consider you worth my time and effort. I had rather talk to people who posess a sane level of mental capabilities.
This time I will refute your statement, from their nomenclature point of view. Your statements are completely flawed. Let me tell you and others how.
Let me describe what "analytical statement means."
Step 1 You make a claim.
Step 2 You analyze the claim
Step 3 You back up the claim with sound reasoning.
Step 4 You connext the reasoning with the claim
Your statements lack the flowchart, that I just mentioned. Thus they are flawed in the entirity. You do a good job at making a claim. But, god only knows what happens after that. You just fail to connect your reasoning with the claim.
The only reason India and China have seen prosperity knock their doors, over the past few years in because of the reduction of government in our economies. If it were upto socialists like you (thank me that I havent called you a facist communist yet), we would still be living in the dark ages.
I am not asking you to change your mind. Actually, I want you to be the extremist socialist that you are. People like you give me a reason to be an activist. People of your leanings have had a smooth sail for several decades. They have tested the nerves of "lovers of liberty" like me for several decades. We are not going to tollerate your BS/crap anymore. You will find us at every stage of your propoganda. We will continue to make life a living hell for you. Socialism died out long time ago. It's ghosts still fool around though. Just think of us as the "ghostbusters." And we will not rest in peace till we bring the bells of liberty to every door and household in the habitable universe.
Good luck.
atul.jhajhria said:I knew you will get angry after reading my post.
However the moment you open your mind you will see that you were wrong.
According to you: i said same thing using different words. I would say i only explained it in detail to make you understand
I frankly dont understand what you have against my views. I provided counter view and explained them too but you seems to have closed your mind. I read your post and i presented counter view, i expect same from you. Tell me where you have not understood or you think i am wrong. Just saying that i will stick to my views and you will stick to yours does not prove anything.
Just few post above, you accused me with this
I gave you answer, now tell me who is trying to run away
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dahiyarules
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RS Dahiya sir!
You are right. To have socialist views is not a crime. To be a socialist is nothing less than a crime.
Consider the millions that socialists kill, when they take over nations. Remember the "Bolshevik Revolution." They killed millions in Russia.
Remember the "French Revolution." They put millions under the gillotine.
Remeber the "Maoist" takeover of China. Millions were killed and millions were displaced to Formosa, what we now know as Taiwan.
Remember the "Khmer Rouge" regime of Cambodia. The worst ever massacre in human history.
Remember the "Che Guevara" rebellion of Bolivia. Millions killed.
Remember the "Fidel Castro" communist takeover of Cuba. Millions killed and displaced.
The list just goes on and on.
Socialism has this unquenchable thurst for human blood. Millions have quenched this thirst with theirs and their loved ones blood over the years.
Socialism has no tollerance for liberty. And I have no tollerance for socialim.
Think again, if possessing socialist ideas is a crime or not.
Theres a saying: "The only good communist is a dead communist."
Take my word on it. It makes a lot of sense to me.
You are right. To have socialist views is not a crime. To be a socialist is nothing less than a crime.
Consider the millions that socialists kill, when they take over nations. Remember the "Bolshevik Revolution." They killed millions in Russia.
Remember the "French Revolution." They put millions under the gillotine.
Remeber the "Maoist" takeover of China. Millions were killed and millions were displaced to Formosa, what we now know as Taiwan.
Remember the "Khmer Rouge" regime of Cambodia. The worst ever massacre in human history.
Remember the "Che Guevara" rebellion of Bolivia. Millions killed.
Remember the "Fidel Castro" communist takeover of Cuba. Millions killed and displaced.
The list just goes on and on.
Socialism has this unquenchable thurst for human blood. Millions have quenched this thirst with theirs and their loved ones blood over the years.
Socialism has no tollerance for liberty. And I have no tollerance for socialim.
Think again, if possessing socialist ideas is a crime or not.
Theres a saying: "The only good communist is a dead communist."
Take my word on it. It makes a lot of sense to me.
dahiyars said:
atul.jhajhria
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dahiyarules said:
sigh >_<, i [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]am trying to figure out just what is about me that presses your buttons so badly. [/FONT]All you have to do is prove me wrong. So far you have not given counter view to my thinking and you are asking me favour to agree with you. Sorry i dont change my mind
dahiyarules said:
Seriously i am not moved at all by your liberty thingy. I will put your comments comparable to Laluji comment few years ago, his comment was to gathering of farmers: If you remove electricity from the water what will be left in water, it would be useless to farmers.
Your comments are as vague as laluji's comment.
Its really hard to believe that some human being can have such views. You are trying to justify cuts in subsidy in the name of liberty.
Do you know what is the meaning of liberty is? Let me write the meaning for youLiberty: Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
From when giving food at cheaper rates become unjust and undue, tell us
You indeed are giving freedom to that BPl person, but little different type of freedom, freedom from life.
dahiyarules said:
Its a sign of normal human reaction. You are getting annoyed here, next step would be anger
dahiyarules said:
You says i fail to connect reasoning with claim.
I will take the pain to make you understand again. who never know when you get lucky
My reason to provide subsidy: For giving poor people chance to live, to compete in international market for survival and some time for dominance.
This statement connects to claim by itself, if you still dont understand then ask again. After all what friends are for
dahiyarules said:
Do you know what you are writing.
You are relating the progress of china to reduction of governemnt in their economy. Do you understand that china is communist country.You can be little more wise to reasearch the topic you want to discuss. It will save you embarrasement.
dahiyarules said:
You can not change my mind just by asking. You have to provide reasoning and so far you are horribly failed in that.
dahiyarules said:
This is like big words without any real meaning, kind of mental fart.
.Socialism has not died and can never die, It will be present with capatalism side by side.
Any country cant be 100% capitalist or communist. It is mixture of these two with leaning on one side. The moment country becomes 100% capatilst or vice versa it will collapse.
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dahiyarules
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Ok Atul ! Believe me, I have an unlimited supplies of vebal incendiaries to throw at you.
I am not surprised that you are not moved by my love for Liberty. It was expected.
Thanks for doing the job for me by defining liberty. You have the answers to your questions, and you do not realize it.
"Government control" is unjust in its very concept. I dont want Government controlling me or you or for the matter of fact any citizen of the country. I want the citizens to control their own destiny.
Stop connecting Liberty with subsidies. LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR. SUBSIDIES ARE ANTI-LIBERTY BECAUSE THEY ARE FORCED DOWN THE NECK OF THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM IN PRINCIPLE, BUT ARE FORCED TO PAY FOR THEM. Put it in your head bro.
I want the masses to enable themselves to make their ends meet. Handouts in terms of liberty and welfare lower the recepient's self esteem and social worth. Lets give them a reason to live with dignity, but giving them a reason to work and fend for themselves. People who depend on welfare are slaves of the state. The state uses them to their own advantage. In the case of India, these people form massive vote banks. This is how the process of democracy is rigged in our country. The leader who promises more handouts gets more votes. Whether he fulfills his promises or not, is an answer most of us can predict wihtout having any astrological skills.
Yes it is hard to believe that I have such views. Thanks for affirming that I ma not a "bitch" of the state. I am an anarchist first and a capitalist later. Summing up, I am an Anarchocapitalist. I hope your eyes burn as you read this, just like sunlight burns the dracula.
Price fixing of commodities disrupts the delicate balance that markets hold. Only market forces can determine the right price, taking into consideration demand and supply.
Coming to China, I want you to do your fact check. CHina is the fastest growing economy in the world. It will overtake the US as the largest economy by the first quarter of this century. More entreprenurial investment is flowing into China's infrastructure than any country in the world. The US's trade defici with China is far bigger than it's fiscal deficit. That shows how much goods and services your "communist China" sells in the world's largest economy alone. China is opening up. Thats what I said. Read my words carefully. It will keep opening up, because the people are realizing the benefits of a free economy.
I have reached a point that I am not trying to convince you on any point. I am just countering you. Because, I want you to stop spreading disinformation among those who are reading this thread.
I agree with you that no economy is completely capitalist. But, that is what I and other like-minded people strive to achieve, so that socialsit parasites like you dotn feed on our liberty and social welfare.
Yaar I heard of farts from the ass. Never heard of mental farts. hehehe. Wonder how you fart your brains off.
Come on dude. Bring it on. I am waiting for your next one.
I am not surprised that you are not moved by my love for Liberty. It was expected.
Thanks for doing the job for me by defining liberty. You have the answers to your questions, and you do not realize it.
"Government control" is unjust in its very concept. I dont want Government controlling me or you or for the matter of fact any citizen of the country. I want the citizens to control their own destiny.
Stop connecting Liberty with subsidies. LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR. SUBSIDIES ARE ANTI-LIBERTY BECAUSE THEY ARE FORCED DOWN THE NECK OF THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM IN PRINCIPLE, BUT ARE FORCED TO PAY FOR THEM. Put it in your head bro.
I want the masses to enable themselves to make their ends meet. Handouts in terms of liberty and welfare lower the recepient's self esteem and social worth. Lets give them a reason to live with dignity, but giving them a reason to work and fend for themselves. People who depend on welfare are slaves of the state. The state uses them to their own advantage. In the case of India, these people form massive vote banks. This is how the process of democracy is rigged in our country. The leader who promises more handouts gets more votes. Whether he fulfills his promises or not, is an answer most of us can predict wihtout having any astrological skills.
Yes it is hard to believe that I have such views. Thanks for affirming that I ma not a "bitch" of the state. I am an anarchist first and a capitalist later. Summing up, I am an Anarchocapitalist. I hope your eyes burn as you read this, just like sunlight burns the dracula.
Price fixing of commodities disrupts the delicate balance that markets hold. Only market forces can determine the right price, taking into consideration demand and supply.
Coming to China, I want you to do your fact check. CHina is the fastest growing economy in the world. It will overtake the US as the largest economy by the first quarter of this century. More entreprenurial investment is flowing into China's infrastructure than any country in the world. The US's trade defici with China is far bigger than it's fiscal deficit. That shows how much goods and services your "communist China" sells in the world's largest economy alone. China is opening up. Thats what I said. Read my words carefully. It will keep opening up, because the people are realizing the benefits of a free economy.
I have reached a point that I am not trying to convince you on any point. I am just countering you. Because, I want you to stop spreading disinformation among those who are reading this thread.
I agree with you that no economy is completely capitalist. But, that is what I and other like-minded people strive to achieve, so that socialsit parasites like you dotn feed on our liberty and social welfare.
Yaar I heard of farts from the ass. Never heard of mental farts. hehehe. Wonder how you fart your brains off.
Come on dude. Bring it on. I am waiting for your next one.
atul.jhajhria said:sigh >_<, i [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]am trying to figure out just what is about me that presses your buttons so badly. [/FONT]All you have to do is prove me wrong. So far you have not given counter view to my thinking and you are asking me favour to agree with you. Sorry i dont change my mind
Seriously i am not moved at all by your liberty thingy. I will put your comments comparable to Laluji comment few years ago, his comment was to gathering of farmers: If you remove electricity from the water what will be left in water, it would be useless to farmers.
Your comments are as vague as laluji's comment.
Its really hard to believe that some human being can have such views. You are trying to justify cuts in subsidy in the name of liberty.
Liberty: Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
From when giving food at cheaper rates become unjust and undue, tell us
You indeed are giving freedom to that BPl person, but little different type of freedom, freedom from life.
Its a sign of normal human reaction. You are getting annoyed here, next step would be anger
You says i fail to connect reasoning with claim.
I will take the pain to make you understand again. who never know when you get lucky
My reason to provide subsidy: For giving poor people chance to live, to compete in international market for survival and some time for dominance.
This statement connects to claim by itself, if you still dont understand then ask again. After all what friends are for
Do you know what you are writing.
You can be little more wise to reasearch the topic you want to discuss. It will save you embarrasement.
You can not change my mind just by asking. You have to provide reasoning and so far you are horribly failed in that.
This is like big words without any real meaning, kind of mental fart.
Socialism has not died and can never die, It will be present with capatalism side by side.
Any country cant be 100% capitalist or communist. It is mixture of these two with leaning on one side. The moment country becomes 100% capatilst or vice versa it will collapse.
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dahiyarules
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Hahahah!
Dev Sir! Chilly pill kha lee tay chaal ho jyaga.
Haan Chill pill could work in this situation.
I am just loving this discussion. Let me mind you here, that its not a debate, because I am not countering arguments that are of an equal level. I am just countering misinformation, with information.
I think those who were smart enough, got my point. Others just have too much time on their hands.
You wont hear from me on this one anymore. I pull out voluntarily for the sake of sanity.
Dev Sir! Chilly pill kha lee tay chaal ho jyaga
.Haan Chill pill could work in this situation.
I am just loving this discussion. Let me mind you here, that its not a debate, because I am not countering arguments that are of an equal level. I am just countering misinformation, with information.
I think those who were smart enough, got my point. Others just have too much time on their hands.
You wont hear from me on this one anymore. I pull out voluntarily for the sake of sanity.
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