Danger to india's internal security !!!!!!!

Very true!

With the US forces packing their bags, ready to leave after their other partners in the allied forces have already left long time ago, India faces a grim security scenario at its Northern and western borders with the hardcore islamic jehadists/terrorists propped up by Pakistan and other like minded countries like Saudi Arabia sitting just across the line like a pack of wolves ready to pounce on a peace loving India.

What is unfortunate is that the Congress led UPA govt. instead of taking this grim future scenario into consideration and preparing to face it effectively, ensured that Indian security apparatus grew weaker and demoralized.

When these barbaric wolves will pounce on the Indians, the Indian security forces will not only have to deal with external threat but also threat from within in terms of the sleeper cells (sympathizers) of the terrorists. Security forces would face the real danger of being attacked from many sides.

It would be in India's interest to monitor the situation and ensure that no aliens posing risk to the Indian social fabric are allowed inside. I am sure Congress would not have acted tough because of its principle-less and petty politics ideology, but in BJP led govt. under Sh. Narender Modi we Indians can see the resoluteness and firmness to take on these critically important issues head-on.

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DANGER TO INDIA'S INTERNAL SECURITY RISING.25000 Wahabi scholars visited India last year.
http://vickynanjappa.com/2014/06/26/25k-wahabi-scholars-visted-india-last-year/
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What is so new about it ? These Jihadis have been coming to India for last 900 years. What is so revolutionary about all these intelligence reports. If 1.20 billion people can not defend India, better we wear bangles. Small Sikh army ruled present day Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan and not only that, Maharaja Ranjit Singh invaded Iran and brought back Kohinoor. " Hume Sharm aani chahiye baar baar inn Jihadiyon ki baate karte hue" Arrey Bhagwan ne do haath diye hain, dimag diya hai, muqabla karo na. Indians never surrendered to Islamic rulers. We kept on resisting and fighting till Mughal empire fell and then even British feel. We are in a much better position to defend India now. We are still a Hindu majority nation, unlike Iran and Iraq etc who were run over within few decades.

RK^2
 
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All weapons are purchased with money, huge money is needed to purchase the weapons, who gave them money to purchased these sophiscated weapons , Pakistan can not afford such huge money power, these are the Arabian Countries who are providing financial assistance, I see only solution is to give more assistance to Afghan govt to fight all these in Afghanistan , let them busy there fighting themselves.


rkumar said:
What is so new about it ? These Jihadis have been coming to India for last 900 years. What is so revolutionary about all these intelligence reports. If 1.20 billion people can not defend India, better we wear bangles. Small Sikh army ruled present day Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan and not only that, Maharaja Ranjit Singh invaded Iran and brought back Kohinoor. " Hume Sharm aani chahiye baar baar inn Jihadiyon ki baate karte hue" Arrey Bhagwan ne do haath diye hain, dimag diya hai, muqabla karo na. Indians never surrendered to Islamic rulers. We kept on resisting and fighting till Mughal empire fell and then even British feel. We are in a much better position to defend India now. We are still a Hindu majority nation, unlike Iran and Iraq etc who were run over within few decades.

RK^2
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krishdel said:
All weapons are purchased with money, huge money is needed to purchase the weapons, who gave them money to purchased these sophiscated weapons , Pakistan can not afford such huge money power, these are the Arabian Countries who are providing financial assistance, I see only solution is to give more assistance to Afghan govt to fight all these in Afghanistan , let them busy there fighting themselves.
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bhai ye apas mai he khoond bajaye jaya kare. katthe hon ka tai matlab he koni. ib aapne padosi nai he dekh lyo kyukar juttam pujari ho re sai ek doosre gail. tai bhai inka kimme ni hona jana.
 
rkumar said:
Indians never surrendered to Islamic rulers. We kept on resisting and fighting till Mughal empire fell and then even British feel. We are in a much better position to defend India now. We are still a Hindu majority nation, unlike Iran and Iraq etc who were run over within few decades.

RK^2
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issi baat tai koni, saab. saarra sauda tai loot lege. aapne aale pande nyu kahe gaye humara koi kuch ni bigad sakta. bhagwan apne aap nipat lenge inse. hoya ke. saara sauna loot le ge mulle. aar kaiya tai mulla bana ge. khasker nichi zaat aale. pandyan nai bhot bekoof banaya sai loga ka. aar ye aage bi loote har. jai angrez na aate tai. angrezan nai katya tha inka rog. angrez k tame pai katthe hoye sai hindu tai. na tai hindu muslim ekta k chakkar mai aur boli booch banni thii janta.
 
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Yes since ancient times, India has been a land full of resources and people fully capable of defending themselves. However, time and again India has been looted and plundered by aliens/outsiders. So, I guess you are right Indians should wear bangles.

If we talk of the medieval times, a few Jai Chands, invited Mughals into India to settle disputes between the Rajput rulers/chieftain. And then what happened we all know is history.

However, the irony is that we have NOT learned from history. A nation which does not learn from history is doomed.

Post independence:
1. in 1948 a large part of J&K was run over by Kabailis (mercenaries) propped by the Pakistani establishment. A sizeable chunk of it was occupied by Pakistan and later a part was GIFTED over to China. Congress led govt. instead of declaring an all out war and reclaiming its territory chose to take this matter to the international fora, in particular the UN. It was a great diplomatic and strategic blunder.
2. in the 50s and the 60s, Pt. Nehru advocated the path of minimalist defence preparedness. He further went on to espouse the Panchsheel doctrine/principle/treaty with the Chinese and ensured that India got a tight slap in return in 1962. Lot of literature is available on this Great Himalayan Blunder. Biggest irony: Recently Vice President Hamid Ansari was in China to commemorate 60th anniversary of panchsheel treaty. The very same panchsheel which China used to back-stab India.
3. in 1965 Indo-Pak war we had an upper hand, yet we signed on the dotted line in Tashkent in 1966.
4. in 1971, we gained good chunk of Pak territory. We gifted it back to Pakistan and signed the Simla Agreement which Pakistan never respected and in fact makes fun of.
5. In 1974, we tested nuclear technology at Pokharan. Instead of making full use of that technology through weaponisation we put it in cold storage and thereby lost the golden opportunity of gaining an upper hand over Pak and China.
6. In the 80s, we propped up one religious/sect leader and ensured that Pakistan used it as a weapon of state terrorism against India.
7. In the late 80s and 90s we shied away from crushing the insurgency in J&K which was still in the nascent stages then.
7. In the 80s and 90s we jumped into an internal/civil war of Sri Lanka and had to hastily retreat with a bloody nose.
8. In 1999, we started the Delhi-Lahore bus service and we got in return 'THE KARGIL'. Operation Parakram in 2001-02 did not do actual much on the ground. However, it made Pakistan pee in its pants. This was more of an aberration than a norm. Instead of further building up and maintaining the pressure on Pakistan, we retreated.

In the more recent times (the past 10 years), the Congress led UPA govt. ensured that Indian defence/security forces remained ill-equipped and a demoralized. But it is highly commendable that the defence forces despite all the apathy shown by the govt. have never shied away defending our borders even if it required the supreme sacrifice as in Kargil, the present day J&K and the North East.

We as a nation have done so many blunders, one after the other and have made a resolution to ourselves never to learn from our mistakes. Yes, it is time, Indians should purchase bangles or maybe wait a bit more for there is ray of hope at the end of the tunnel in the form of Sh. Modi. After all, it all depends on the leadership and the political will which the Congress totally lacks.


rkumar said:
What is so new about it ? These Jihadis have been coming to India for last 900 years. What is so revolutionary about all these intelligence reports. If 1.20 billion people can not defend India, better we wear bangles. Small Sikh army ruled present day Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan and not only that, Maharaja Ranjit Singh invaded Iran and brought back Kohinoor. " Hume Sharm aani chahiye baar baar inn Jihadiyon ki baate karte hue" Arrey Bhagwan ne do haath diye hain, dimag diya hai, muqabla karo na. Indians never surrendered to Islamic rulers. We kept on resisting and fighting till Mughal empire fell and then even British feel. We are in a much better position to defend India now. We are still a Hindu majority nation, unlike Iran and Iraq etc who were run over within few decades.

RK^2
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rkumar said:
What is so new about it ? These Jihadis have been coming to India for last 900 years. What is so revolutionary about all these intelligence reports. If 1.20 billion people can not defend India, better we wear bangles. Small Sikh army ruled present day Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan and not only that, Maharaja Ranjit Singh invaded Iran and brought back Kohinoor. " Hume Sharm aani chahiye baar baar inn Jihadiyon ki baate karte hue" Arrey Bhagwan ne do haath diye hain, dimag diya hai, muqabla karo na. Indians never surrendered to Islamic rulers. We kept on resisting and fighting till Mughal empire fell and then even British feel. We are in a much better position to defend India now. We are still a Hindu majority nation, unlike Iran and Iraq etc who were run over within few decades.

RK^2
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We are still resisting and fighting the corrupt, lootere politicians, incapable bureaucrats/officers, crony capitalist. They all have created a system of "black" governance called "democracy of our (their) own choice" and continue to divide people, plunder upon the countries natural resources and the hard earnings of the general public.

Looking at the recent IB report on NGO (and it's dramatical leaking), one would wonder whither it was the IB which was paid for the report. After all, western governments were so interested in these nuclear projects that they even "made" some opposition party MP vote for it. Had it not been the unbending efforts of Left and some determined scientists/journalists/people; India would have been a dumping ground of "now-waste"nuclear material of west.

The real danger to internal security is from these covert people, not outsides.
 
Arvindc said:
We are still resisting and fighting the corrupt, lootere politicians, incapable bureaucrats/officers, crony capitalist. They all have created a system of "black" governance called "democracy of our (their) own choice" and continue to divide people, plunder upon the countries natural resources and the hard earnings of the general public.

Looking at the recent IB report on NGO (and it's dramatical leaking), one would wonder whither it was the IB which was paid for the report. After all, western governments were so interested in these nuclear projects that they even "made" some opposition party MP vote for it. Had it not been the unbending efforts of Left and some determined scientists/journalists/people; India would have been a dumping ground of "now-waste"nuclear material of west.

The real danger to internal security is from these covert people, not outsides.
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Most funny thing is that we are still supporting and voting corrupted politicians,
 
Civilizations do go through the cycles of up and down. Cycles can last 100s of years. There was time Hindus were at the top. Then Greeks came along and dominated the world. Then Muslims came and dominated the world for many centuries. Then came Christians. Now world is in a sort of flux with no clear dominating force. Hindus have certainly consolidated their position during last 100 years. Muslims are a divided lot and fighting anyone and everyone all over the places. There are roughly 2.2 billion Christians, 1.6 billion Muslims and about 1.1 billion Hindus in the world. Unlike Muslims, geographically the Hindus are concentrated in fewer countries and therefore in a better position to fight back. Number wise things are not so bad. If one adds the numbers, education level and technology, Hindus are not that bad. We are definitely moving upwards, even though a bit slowly. I am therefore not worried about Islamic Jihadis. We can fight them back all the way to Mecca. Problem is not of Jihadis. Major problem is of western powers who mostly side with Jihadis behind the scene and only pay lip service to fight them in reality. This is where we need to be careful. We have to develop our own strength and can never rely on western powers as in all probability they will play double game.

RK^2
 
pehlya desh ki bhookhmari, garibi tai mita lyo. pher lakhao doosryan kanne. desh mai logan kai roti k lale pad re sai, bhokhe mar re. pacche ki baat sai ye tai raj karan aali.
 
rkumar said:
Civilizations do go through the cycles of up and down. Cycles can last 100s of years. There was time Hindus were at the top. Then Greeks came along and dominated the world. Then Muslims came and dominated the world for many centuries. Then came Christians. Now world is in a sort of flux with no clear dominating force. Hindus have certainly consolidated their position during last 100 years. Muslims are a divided lot and fighting anyone and everyone all over the places. There are roughly 2.2 billion Christians, 1.6 billion Muslims and about 1.1 billion Hindus in the world. Unlike Muslims, geographically the Hindus are concentrated in fewer countries and therefore in a better position to fight back. Number wise things are not so bad. If one adds the numbers, education level and technology, Hindus are not that bad. We are definitely moving upwards, even though a bit slowly. I am therefore not worried about Islamic Jihadis. We can fight them back all the way to Mecca. Problem is not of Jihadis. Major problem is of western powers who mostly side with Jihadis behind the scene and only pay lip service to fight them in reality. This is where we need to be careful. We have to develop our own strength and can never rely on western powers as in all probability they will play double game.

RK^2
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Friend,

Bogey of danger from and supremacy of one religious group over the other is raised by those who do not subscribe to the idea of composite culture of the country and also want to divert the attention from the contemporary hot issues facing the ruling party like rampant corruption, unemployment, inflation and price rise that need addressed on priority basis.

You have rightly concluded that we have to first improve our internal conditions and contain the divisive forces.

To attain this object the country needs to tackle the problems arising out of communal divide, language tangle or regional biases and thus conversely cement the feeling of nationalism among the people of the country.

All inclusive development agenda, not populist utterances, if properly implemented can prove to be a panacea to national integration, communal harmony and unity of India. Then there would be no danger of internal Jihad by any section and external threat would also be met with equally strong nation with its full might and strength.

Thanks and regards,
 
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rajpaldular said:
DANGER TO INDIA'S INTERNAL SECURITY RISING.25000 Wahabi scholars visited India last year.
http://vickynanjappa.com/2014/06/26/25k-wahabi-scholars-visted-india-last-year/
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Friend,

Those who know the features of the composite culture of India have seen the development of historic development of India since Independence learn that during the war against China and Pakistan all its citizens rose as a people and contributed to reply the enemy in their own coin. So the need of the hour is not divide people on communal lines but to forge unity.

Do you think international borders of India be closed for all foreign visitors to contain the danger to India's internal security. No. we have strong faith in our government which is strong enough to deal with such 'supposed problems'. Hence no need to spread fear psychosis among the people.

The need of the hour is to make the country strong internally by forging the principles of unity, communal harmony and implementation of all inclusive economic development in every nook and corner of India. If these steps are taken, a strong and vibrant India can take care of all dangers whether they are from within or without.

Let us hope the new government will take up resolution of the real issues and problems immediately and thus make the country strong internally and thus lead it to become invincible as a nation to reckon with internationally in economy and defence matters.

Thanks and best wishes
 
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It is time, we shake off this inward looking policy - if we are good to others, others will be good to us. For long, India has worried about how the world will perceive it for its actions rather than actually caring for its self interest.

All major world powers including the West and China care for their interests first and foremost. Look at the case of China, it crushed pro-democracy uprising in Tianmen and elsewhere in China, it has crushed the Islamic militants in Uighur, it annexed Tibet, it lays claim to Arunachal (against India) and the South China Sea (against Vietnam). Yet no one messes with China.

Similar is the case is with the US. It hunted down Osama Bin Laden the perpetrator of 9/11 in the backyard of its ally Pakistan. The very same Laden whom it once aided in Afghanistan against the Soviets and who later was responsible for killing hundreds of Americans and others in New York and elsewhere.

Let's take the case of Israel, which considers the life of even a single citizen as valuable and is ready to take the fight to the enemy's territory in case its citizens are under threat or harmed.

There are n number of examples of such countries which think about the welfare and well being of their citizens before everything else. But here in India, we have a rail and bus services running between India and our bitter enemy Pakistan. Innumerable aliens (Pakistanis/Bangladeshis/Nepalese/Afghans/Iraqis/Africans) enter our country every year, but no track is kept on whether they return or stay back illegally. After all money and vote power is more important than the nationalist feeling that we just get to read in Social studies books in school.

We Indians have always shied away from calling a spade a spade in the name of maintaining peace and harmony instead of discussing the burning problems issues in an open and constructive manner. If we don't want aliens, we don't want aliens. PERIOD. For God's sake, let's think of our people and our country first and the world can be thought about later.
 
In international relations and diplomacy, national interests always have upper hand.

Therefore, to have international relations with the big powers on equal footing our country has to be made equally strong in internal sphere and economy and warfare capacities at international level.

Then and only then we can have respectable relations with the foreign powers. Hope the present dispensation which has clear cut mandate after several years of political instability would rise to the occasion.
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
Friend,

Bogey of danger from and supremacy of one religious group over the other is raised by those who do not subscribe to the idea of composite culture of the country and also want to divert the attention from the contemporary hot issues facing the ruling party like rampant corruption, unemployment, inflation and price rise that need addressed on priority basis.

You have rightly concluded that we have to first improve our internal conditions and contain the divisive forces.

To attain this object the country needs to tackle the problems arising out of communal divide, language tangle or regional biases and thus conversely cement the feeling of nationalism among the people of the country.

All inclusive development agenda, not populist utterances, if properly implemented can prove to be a panacea to national integration, communal harmony and unity of India. Then there would be no danger of internal Jihad by any section and external threat would also be met with equally strong nation with its full might and strength.

Thanks and regards,
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Dr sahab, when your house building is unsafe and dangerous people have entered the house, can you be comfortable and plan and work for other issues in that house, our country is really not safe on borders and even internal safety is in danger, so I feel this topic is most important
 
Fateh said:
Dr sahab, when your house building is unsafe and dangerous people have entered the house, can you be comfortable and plan and work for other issues in that house, our country is really not safe on borders and even internal safety is in danger, so I feel this topic is most important
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Friend,

No doubt, security of country from dangers from across the border and from internal forces of disruption and disintegration is a burning topic for discussion; but to raise hue and cry pointing to a specific community/followers of faith is another issue to which I had pointed out.

Thanks and regards
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
Friend,

No doubt, security of country from dangers from across the border and from internal forces of disruption and disintegration is a burning topic for discussion; but to raise hue and cry pointing to a specific community/followers of faith is another issue to which I had pointed out.

Thanks and regards
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saheb, par ek baat batao. yo rola us ek community gail he kyu howai sai ghana? aur community bi tai sai. un gelya kyu na honda yo rola aai bai. doosra, jo ya community sai, ya kyu na aandi haath milan. aayi bai hindu he kyu jhookai sai in aage? munnai bhatere hindu dekh liye is community ki mer lende par ulta kyu na hota? teesra, saare sansaar mai chugarde gai rola ihh community ka kyu howai sai aura gel? Munnai hindu/budh/jain/parsi ka rola aura gel na hona dekha itna jitna ihh community ka howai sai.
 
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