hsbirk said:
Ramandeep: this has been my point exactly. These people think and act like armchair generals. have any of them ever fought for the khalistan that they passionately seek?
Talking about water issues won't win me any Haryana Jat friends either but that is mostly due to Punjab and Haryana being neighbors and nothing to do with being Sikh or Hindu.
Chandhigahr was carved out of Punjab state & was promised by Rajiv Gandhi in his agreement with some Akali leaders. That was of course before the Khalistani militancy. How can anyone deny Chandhigarh was carved out of Punjab? I would not lose any sleep if Chandigarh stays a Union Terrirtory or if it went to Haryana as both Haryana and Punjab are still part of India.
That is not my intention.
Haryana was created out of Punjab. Therefore it does deserve water but water needs of Punjab must be addressed too in a fair way.
You are correct Chohan is not a Jat name. They are rajputs who in Punjab have become mixed with Jats. Jagjit Chohan is a coward. He gives speeches in England. He was afraid to go and fight for khalistan himself.
I agree with you that the average Pakistani who is following Taliban has nothing in common with Jats but many Pakistani Jats are not particularly religious (same as Sikh Jats). They share most of the same surnames as Sikh Jats. Other than religion they are basically the same.
The only difference between Pakistani Virks, Sikh Virks and Hindu Virks is religion. Religion, state, language should not be used to split Jats. A Jat is a Jat is a Jat. All other titles are secondary.
Good to hear from you Mr Virk!
With regards to expat Jat Sikhs ... in the UK, I've witnessed 3 key types of Jat Sikh youths.
The first is the ankhy mona jat sikh. enjoys tandoori chicken & big macs and drinks. Is generally chilled out. Not vastly educated (with respect to Sikh history/Indian history and even less, Jat history), but will have pro-Jat views and mildly khalistani views - big fans of bhindrawala.
The second (least percentage-wise of three) group are also mona jat sikhs. These guys are even more chilled out. They wont be as right-wing in their views (some will be of East African origins). Will be the types that date gujarati girls, drink heavily, and be least observant of sikh principles. Are likely to cheer india on in the cricket, get drunk and start fights with whites (england) or pakistanis.
(Personally 3 out of my 4 jat sikh friends fall into this category).
The third of this category - and I have to say,the types I get on least with - are the turbanned ones with long kesh/dharris. They'll be well-educated on sikhism,sikh history and will be bitterly anti-india. These are the ones that occupy all the university sikh society positions and have become the mouthpieces. What is really disturbing about these people is that they are quite anti-Jat in their views. They do not respond at all to notions that Jats are a separate race or identity. Some have even gone as far in sikh societies to promote Jat & non-Jat unions (romantically speaking). These are the types that will make hideous pieces of multimedia .... I dont know if you've seen it, but there's a DISGUSTLY,OFFENSIVE piece of home-made video footage going around on the internet of two singhs (1 jatt and 1 tharkaan) fighting over their kids dating. It is pathetic (they have a tharkaan knocking off a jat sikh's pugree in front of Guru Nanak Ji ... LIKE THATS GOING TO HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE!!!).
This group will sprout crap like Bhindrawala was a better sikh leader than greats like Maharaja Ranjeet Singh. These guys wont stop at Bhindrawala, they're likely to be bigging up the whole crew - Sukhdev Babbar and co.
Anyways moving on ...
I think for the time being, Hindu Jaat & Sikh Jat unity is more important than forming relations with Pakistani Jats. As there is likely to be more interaction with the former. The relationship with the latter is greatly dependent on the relations between Indian and Pakistani governments.
Hindu Jaats and Jat Sikhs have plenty of issues to be dealing with - namely the SYL fiasco.
My personal view is that when Bangladesh/West Bengal/Orissa were flooded, Haryana and Punjab are bone dry and being made to fight for scraps.
The problem lies with the Government's irrigation policy. But as long both respective leaders are happy to stuff their faces with paisa, why give a crap about the farmers and the increasing number of suicides? If there was a unity, it would become quite a force and it could unite - and make those brahmin/banias/lalas sitting in Delhi with their firangi mem sahib take note and think hard on their economic policies with regards to kissan lok. It suits the people in the centre that sikh jats and hindu jaats remain divided.
Remember what Chaudhary Devi Lal (chautala's pop) managed to do when VP Singh became Prime Minister. He united the Jats, Ahirs/Yadavs, Gujjars across UP, MP, Haryana etc and the congress got defeated in the centre.
In the future, there is nothing to say Jat Sikhs and Hindu Jaats cant form alliance and mould the shape and thinking of the farming/kisaan/OBC movement.
Just my 2 cents ...
Ram Ram and Sat Sri kaal.
