A few days back i was going through profiles posted by jat girls(or may be by their relatives)in matrimonial section.I noticed one funny yet weird thing.In some profiles it was mentioned that"Jats from U.P please excuse".I am from Haryana but still i found it so very unfortunate and sad to read such rude remark.If you don't like jats from this region you can decline them at initial stage but this is no way to show your disliking by writing such non sense in a matrimonial proposal.And i seriously wonder that why none of moderator noticed it and took any action against such people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Discrimination within jat community
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vikrantsiwag
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Well Deepika, you came to know about it which is sadly very much prevalent for long time now. This is the sad truth that i find hard to swallow, Rajasthan Jats don't like Haryana, UP ones and hence forth. They don't escape even a single opportunity to degrade each other. They don't have enough mental agility to understand the fact that Jat is Jat be it in UP, Haryana, Rajasthan etc. Jats in UP migrated from Haryana and Punjab and they are as much a jat as any other.
Discrimination actually governs its roots in the slight differences in customs, dialect which are the effect of long exposure to regional customs, but they keep forgetting this and hence downgrade each other with religious determination.
And all this give sound reason for other communities to say-"Ye jat to kabhi ikatthe ho hi nahi sakte, kahin ikatthe ho bhi gaye to aapas me hi lad lad ke mar jayenge", and sadly discrimination is not only the part of uneducated fellas, but few highly educated people too act foolishly in this regard.
But i don't believe in all this and think there is no reason thinking like that as it doesn't have any sound reasoning. But as they say “Prejudice, not being founded on reason, cannot be removed by argument”, this thing cannot be removed by argument as well. People who believe in all this are not going to stop just by an argument.
Indeed!infact i have also heard from lot of jats from Rajasthan that they think jats in Haryana are very bad tempered but what i have obsered is that jats in Haryana are not as violent as jats from Rajasthan who can take out weapons at the drop of a hat when it comes to dealing with rival group.Same is the case with jats from other states they have different opinions abt jats from other states.Jab within community strong unity nai ha then wot is to be expected from others
anilsangwan
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Very valid point Deepika !
Few Mods are busy in Kaant-Chhant of posts rather than acting on this kind of imp issue..
Few Mods are busy in Kaant-Chhant of posts rather than acting on this kind of imp issue..
sumitsehrawat
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I am not in complete agreement with your post and proposed solution.
Even I find it very weird to see "U.P. Jats please excuse" posts. I don't really understand the logic behind such a notion. But then its their own viewpoint, let them write. In a way its good that one gets to know about the thinking of such people beforehand and so can avoid.
Let me take an example. If Mr. XYZ is looking for a girl-match and he happens to see some profile which mentions "U.P. people pls excuse" then he can just laugh on such an absurd mentality and move on. Instead if he goes through the pre-arranged-marriage process and even if things fail at an initial stage, I think then its very difficult. I've not been through it but I think its really very painful to hear a "No" especially when the party on the recieving end has an affirmative response to the to-be-relation(not-to-be relation). Also, the embarrassment... on both sides.
On other thoughts, people also try to segregate based on their profession, salary, etc... if its with location as well then I dont think its a big deal. I don't really admire such (Avoid U.P. people)posts but then that much choice one has a right to have as far as writing in a matrimonial advertisement is concerned.
What about Manglik and all that stupidity? Padhe likhe log hai...fir bhi aisi baaten karenge. I think we should fire at those people... hehehe
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Even I find it very weird to see "U.P. Jats please excuse" posts. I don't really understand the logic behind such a notion. But then its their own viewpoint, let them write. In a way its good that one gets to know about the thinking of such people beforehand and so can avoid.
Let me take an example. If Mr. XYZ is looking for a girl-match and he happens to see some profile which mentions "U.P. people pls excuse" then he can just laugh on such an absurd mentality and move on. Instead if he goes through the pre-arranged-marriage process and even if things fail at an initial stage, I think then its very difficult. I've not been through it but I think its really very painful to hear a "No" especially when the party on the recieving end has an affirmative response to the to-be-relation(not-to-be relation). Also, the embarrassment... on both sides.
On other thoughts, people also try to segregate based on their profession, salary, etc... if its with location as well then I dont think its a big deal. I don't really admire such (Avoid U.P. people)posts but then that much choice one has a right to have as far as writing in a matrimonial advertisement is concerned.
What about Manglik and all that stupidity? Padhe likhe log hai...fir bhi aisi baaten karenge. I think we should fire at those people... hehehe
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Person is Discriminating Him/Herself!!!
Dear Members,
I thinks Sumit has made a very valid point. Actually, such remarks rather than being removed should be highlighted to show the shallowness of the person posting such things. No sane person would like to have relationship with such people.
As I said, they themselves are discriminating. Just Avoid Them.
Dear Members,
I thinks Sumit has made a very valid point. Actually, such remarks rather than being removed should be highlighted to show the shallowness of the person posting such things. No sane person would like to have relationship with such people.
As I said, they themselves are discriminating. Just Avoid Them.
sunitahooda
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I personally dont find anything wrong if they write so,the reason might be many different culture, dialect, language, different festivals or the way of celebrating them is different and so on. So isn't it ok to be among people you feel more comfortable with when its a relation/relations one has to choose for lifetime
vikrantsiwag
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Sunita ji, you are right that it is very much a personal choice about where to get married. But i am more concerned about the general bonhomie among Haryana, Raj, UP jats. Also the way it was written in there "UP jats please excuse" rather than " Matches from Haryana only". It gives a feel as if UP jats are a third world entity.
And i think we r rightly suggested in earlier posts that we should neglect such remarks and try not to correct anyone but ourselves n near and dear ones about not spitting regional venom among Jats.
There is a vast variety in way of life, culture and traditions in Jats living indifferent states. There is a need to understand these differences. No tradition or any caste or a group of people are bad but it is their perception in their minds which makes them to conclude the way they are thinking. We may come in contact with some persons of a particular state and if our experience of dealing with them or their behaviour is not good to us we try to generalize things this way. I think it is not that serious. We should defend it with logic. Slowly this type of thinking will will come down.
Jatland can play an important role in mitigating this thinking.
Regards,
Jatland can play an important role in mitigating this thinking.
Regards,
sunitahooda
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Yeah this type of words should be avoided...aapas mein hansi-majak ek alag baat hai, lekin matrimony ad mein soch-samjh ke likha ana chaiye
sanjeev_balyan
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Vikrant bhai , the person writing "UP jats please excuse" is also providing an additional quality of his/her personality. A lot of time is saved of all guys at searching end. Nobody will even try to have a look any where in profile after watching this, except the same type of gem. If he finds the same type jat at receiving end than let them go ahead, nothing is wrong. Otherwise he/ she is already discriminated. Everybody will avoid them. Anyway such remarks/notes dont give the good test.
saurabhjaglan
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Lets leave this topic and move on...
Kisi ek ki mentality se UP walo ya kisi aur ko third world wala thodi maan lenge??
i have very good friends from UP,Haryana,Delhi,Rajesthan...
and u cn find out most suitable bachelors from every states...
So better to delete or Modify that specific matrimonial...
*****Together we are more Powerful than individual-only JAT*****
Kisi ek ki mentality se UP walo ya kisi aur ko third world wala thodi maan lenge??
i have very good friends from UP,Haryana,Delhi,Rajesthan...
and u cn find out most suitable bachelors from every states...
So better to delete or Modify that specific matrimonial...
*****Together we are more Powerful than individual-only JAT*****
deepika is correct by saying their should not be deffernciate amongst the up jat or another.i understand jat only.thats sufficient
Prakash ji
Namaste and Welcome on jatland! I believe you are from Maharastra as your other post in Education section suggests. It feels so good to see a jat friend from that part of the country participating in any debate here on jatland!
Generally people here on jatland are very friendly towards each other, irrespective of their region or state. You may find some stray incidents of apathy towards each other on the bases of region. I certainly wouldn't call it hatred but a feeling too strong towards your own region, language, culture and specific traits you like or dislike!
If you find something like this in future while interacting with some jat friends over here on jatland or in person, my advise would be to have little patience in replying or ignore altogether! It also happens sometimes that a person not able to choose the right words about persons of a specific region in describing certain situation and a wrong feeling is conveyed and we must waite and watch if the member is a habitual offender.
Anyways, welcome once again and hope to see you more often here!
cheers!
Namaste and Welcome on jatland! I believe you are from Maharastra as your other post in Education section suggests. It feels so good to see a jat friend from that part of the country participating in any debate here on jatland!
Generally people here on jatland are very friendly towards each other, irrespective of their region or state. You may find some stray incidents of apathy towards each other on the bases of region. I certainly wouldn't call it hatred but a feeling too strong towards your own region, language, culture and specific traits you like or dislike!
If you find something like this in future while interacting with some jat friends over here on jatland or in person, my advise would be to have little patience in replying or ignore altogether! It also happens sometimes that a person not able to choose the right words about persons of a specific region in describing certain situation and a wrong feeling is conveyed and we must waite and watch if the member is a habitual offender.
Anyways, welcome once again and hope to see you more often here!
cheers!
downtoearth
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nothing wrong
[FONT="]Some people here need to enlarge their sphere…people who are full of intellect need to compress the sphere…
This is just a matter of choice guys not discrimination or disliking…wots wrong in saying `UP jats please excuse….i think these are the most humble words a person can use………….y to decline on the initial stage ,?, y not to make a matrimonial proposal crystal clear from the beginning
[/FONT] A matrimonial add depends upon the choice of a family……..y people are making an issue on the basis of someone’s choice. ?….. y people are taking it personally?…..this add doesn’t indicate that there are no alliances between haryana up and rajasthan….and such adds hardly will make any diff between alliances in future….
Ok fine, lets set aside the issue of Up Haryana and Rajasthan….people from many districts of haryana are not willing to make matrimonial alliance with sonipatiyas and rohtakees….ib yu discrimination ho gaya? People from rohtak and sonipat think twice before making an alliance in dadri,mahendergarh or narnaul as the land is not fertile there…ib yu bhi discrimination sey key? The difference of culture, language and region is the main reason to make such choices, as sunita and deswal saab say…
I urge the learned people not to raise anything which u observe or what u have in ur mind in a form like jatland where people are struggling for the upliftment of community and to stand united …many things here might have been observed earlier but issues havnt been raised due to some valid reasons….
[FONT="]Some people here need to enlarge their sphere…people who are full of intellect need to compress the sphere…
This is just a matter of choice guys not discrimination or disliking…wots wrong in saying `UP jats please excuse….i think these are the most humble words a person can use……
…….y to decline on the initial stage ,?, y not to make a matrimonial proposal crystal clear from the beginning[/FONT] A matrimonial add depends upon the choice of a family……..y people are making an issue on the basis of someone’s choice. ?….. y people are taking it personally?…..this add doesn’t indicate that there are no alliances between haryana up and rajasthan….and such adds hardly will make any diff between alliances in future….
Ok fine, lets set aside the issue of Up Haryana and Rajasthan….people from many districts of haryana are not willing to make matrimonial alliance with sonipatiyas and rohtakees….ib yu discrimination ho gaya? People from rohtak and sonipat think twice before making an alliance in dadri,mahendergarh or narnaul as the land is not fertile there…ib yu bhi discrimination sey key? The difference of culture, language and region is the main reason to make such choices, as sunita and deswal saab say…
I urge the learned people not to raise anything which u observe or what u have in ur mind in a form like jatland where people are struggling for the upliftment of community and to stand united …many things here might have been observed earlier but issues havnt been raised due to some valid reasons….
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anilsangwan
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Absolutely right Rupi dada...!!
Er yaa bold mein likh raakhi...ya baat bhi impressive sei ...
Er yaa bold mein likh raakhi...ya baat bhi impressive sei ...
jitendershooda
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They are looking for Jats only ... is that also discriminating? Achey bure log har jati mein hein.
I agree with Rupi ... its just a matter of culture, boli, way of living ... etc etc .... jinke man mil jyan hein unki hon bhi hein .... and these things are changing in NCR as people doing job there interact with each other and as they are living in the same area there is no living difference .... so such alliances are happening now ....
I remember one of my known one was married in UP near merrut ... wo ladki adjust nahi kar paa rahi thi ... being difference in living, boli ..... nue bataya karti ek hude to khet mein bhi na jati lugai ... er jaan bhi sein to aadmi gail ho jib ... ghar ghar mein rahen sein gaam mein ... Aur aisa hi kisi UP wali aurat ke sath ho sakta hai jo yahan Rohtak mein byahi jae ... nue kahegi ek rohj lath thai khade rahe sein ...
sunitahooda
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Anil Ji....makha jo laal aksharaan mai sai uss kenni lakahiyo ek baiexcitement mai ghana manna boliyo:rock:rock
excitement mai ghana manna boliyo:rock:rock
Absolutely right Rupi dada...!!
Er yaa bold mein likh raakhi...ya baat bhi impressive sei ...
anilsangwan
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ha ha ha ha ha... menne bera tha..... 10,000 loggan ki JL pe... agar kissey k cheeess uuthegi na .......toh woh kaunn ho sakey seinn ???
Mein te naa karta discrimination.......chahe rohtakii kissey bhi ho.... ha ha ha ha ha ha... ebb raaji bebbey? :rock
Menne bera sei tu k kuhwaana chahwe sei... par mein kahun koni... :rock
Mein te naa karta discrimination.......chahe rohtakii kissey bhi ho....
ha ha ha ha ha ha... ebb raaji bebbey? :rockMenne bera sei tu k kuhwaana chahwe sei... par mein kahun koni... :rock
Anil Ji....makha jo laal aksharaan mai sai uss kenni lakahiyo ek bai
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