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nijjhar
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Shri Krishan Baldev Ji and Jatts
Yes. We are basically Yadav and Jatt is one of the major tribes of Yadav Bans. Yes. We Jatt belong to the family of Shri Krishan Baldev Ji, an incarnation of "Shiv" and not of the Vishnu. We are Shiv Sena and we supported Sachae Patshah Har Gobind Ji, the most.
But we cannot be strong in Kalyug as the Crown of Kalyug belongs to the most dishonest tribe of Khatri. Khatris used to be Devta in Traeta Yug but in Kalyug, the opposite. Now, we have Lala Manmohan Singh Kohli as the Prime Minister ready to end this Kalyug.
Our Jatt king Ranjit Singh Sandhu had a rule of 40 years in the name of 40 Muktae who longed for material things. We are the most stupid but honest tribe of all the tribes.
Yes. We are basically Yadav and Jatt is one of the major tribes of Yadav Bans. Yes. We Jatt belong to the family of Shri Krishan Baldev Ji, an incarnation of "Shiv" and not of the Vishnu. We are Shiv Sena and we supported Sachae Patshah Har Gobind Ji, the most.
But we cannot be strong in Kalyug as the Crown of Kalyug belongs to the most dishonest tribe of Khatri. Khatris used to be Devta in Traeta Yug but in Kalyug, the opposite. Now, we have Lala Manmohan Singh Kohli as the Prime Minister ready to end this Kalyug.
Our Jatt king Ranjit Singh Sandhu had a rule of 40 years in the name of 40 Muktae who longed for material things. We are the most stupid but honest tribe of all the tribes.
jat history
Dear Samiksha, I am glad you are reading Jat history. I have not read RP singh book so can not comment. However there are many books on the subject, I have some of them. I hope more young girls like you and boys will read. One thing is sure our history has not been written truly by since begining, the moguls or Britishers since in those days all was written by non jats to please the rulers of that time and therefore needs young jat researchers. You may read Jat Itihaas by Dr. Nathan Singh which gives lot of insight the jat history and platform to find out more about us. All the best in your efforts. Take care. Beniwal
Dear Samiksha, I am glad you are reading Jat history. I have not read RP singh book so can not comment. However there are many books on the subject, I have some of them. I hope more young girls like you and boys will read. One thing is sure our history has not been written truly by since begining, the moguls or Britishers since in those days all was written by non jats to please the rulers of that time and therefore needs young jat researchers. You may read Jat Itihaas by Dr. Nathan Singh which gives lot of insight the jat history and platform to find out more about us. All the best in your efforts. Take care. Beniwal
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psgahlaut
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All Jats/zats/castes are derived out of Jats only. Its not vice versa. Thats why original and main name is still retained by Jats. We are the largest and most forward population in the world today also in the form of Aryan or Indo-European. Wherever Indo-European name occurs Jat do occur there in historical background from Europe to India through Central Asia. For example England in back ground history is combination of Jutes and Brittons.
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psgahlaut
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history is a cruel subject where nothing succeeds like success.
Jats challenged all. They were too destructive and too constructive.
lands echoed with their activities. let it be the deset of Thar or egypt. let it be Taj or pyrimid of egypt.
there was a question in IAS long back that Asoka had the energy of Chandragupta Maurya, he was genious versatile like samudra gupta and had the catholicity of Akbar, please, elucidate.
the spices in indus valley are exported till to day from India. And the good horses/dogs were never bred in India.
the exports and imports are same and history made no impact on them.
Jats challenged all. They were too destructive and too constructive.
lands echoed with their activities. let it be the deset of Thar or egypt. let it be Taj or pyrimid of egypt.
there was a question in IAS long back that Asoka had the energy of Chandragupta Maurya, he was genious versatile like samudra gupta and had the catholicity of Akbar, please, elucidate.
the spices in indus valley are exported till to day from India. And the good horses/dogs were never bred in India.
the exports and imports are same and history made no impact on them.
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psgahlaut
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Jat is a race on whom time and place had no impact.
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vairesatendra
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Well respected Ravi Ji, I m keenly interested to know out History and this interest of mine brought me at your Yahooo group 3-4 years back, and we exchanged a few mails at that time.
(Probably you might have forgotten)I really acclaim your exertion and Kudos to you.
Now Sir, as wiki can be edited very easily, so isnt there any other way so that we can put the JAT HISTORY that cant be edited (provided it should be based on facts and proves)? Though we young gun too have to be part of this campaign. As only few young Jats are aware of the JAT history.
What else constructive can we do?
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psgahlaut
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samajh koni aawe bhai Vaire
aa Jat ka kit soot baithe ga? jo apne desh aur apni majority me hi dusre ka gulam sse, aa tte mere vichar tte OBC ka pahla haqdar sse. aa sub tte badda moorkh sse duniyan ka.
aa Jat ka kit soot baithe ga? jo apne desh aur apni majority me hi dusre ka gulam sse, aa tte mere vichar tte OBC ka pahla haqdar sse. aa sub tte badda moorkh sse duniyan ka.
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psgahlaut
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the best way to preserve Jat history is to write research papers and publish them in International Journals a journal can never be edited.
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psgahlaut
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Moreover International Journal's contents are too authentic. If any substance appears there the same can be forced to be written in Indian Text Books also if not through govt then through court. Opposite to Indian scene, there are no people, usually, in International Journals who are sitting biased against Jats. Moreover, other Jats outside India (Muslims and Christians) are ready to co-author if any such attempt is taken in this direction. As we search for our counterparts in other countries, they search for their counterparts in India.
However, idea of Raviji, Burdakji etc. to edit wikipaedia is same ukk koi tte bhala manas kiti nne aa wiki pedia ne khol ke dekhe ga aur us ki samajh aa gayee te is pe kuchh kitab/kitoob paper/paaper chhape ga
However, idea of Raviji, Burdakji etc. to edit wikipaedia is same ukk koi tte bhala manas kiti nne aa wiki pedia ne khol ke dekhe ga aur us ki samajh aa gayee te is pe kuchh kitab/kitoob paper/paaper chhape ga
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harra
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jats existed in ancient times?
dear samiksha ,
whole thing about jats existence in ancient times is confusing . now a days historians have made a mockery of jat history by coining tales through similiar sounding names . the whole thing about british finding jat surnames as originated from europe or somewhere else is wrong. In fact britishers carried a survey in what is present day haryana and used to ask the people about their origin and so. Most of the jats in haryana told themselves to have originated from rajputs. in fact there is list which describes which jat calns originated from which rajput clans.
Moreover Col. Todd in his book , Annals and Antiquite of Rajasthan has told jats to originated from jits, a clan of rajputs inhabiting the region from eastern bank of sutlej to western bank of yamuna .
the whole thing about jats existence in Krisna's time is doubtful . it was only after separation from rajputs that jats came to be known as distinct entity and some of these started gaining independence and founded their own kingdom. and hence give an impresssion that jats rose again.
dear samiksha ,
whole thing about jats existence in ancient times is confusing . now a days historians have made a mockery of jat history by coining tales through similiar sounding names . the whole thing about british finding jat surnames as originated from europe or somewhere else is wrong. In fact britishers carried a survey in what is present day haryana and used to ask the people about their origin and so. Most of the jats in haryana told themselves to have originated from rajputs. in fact there is list which describes which jat calns originated from which rajput clans.
Moreover Col. Todd in his book , Annals and Antiquite of Rajasthan has told jats to originated from jits, a clan of rajputs inhabiting the region from eastern bank of sutlej to western bank of yamuna .
the whole thing about jats existence in Krisna's time is doubtful . it was only after separation from rajputs that jats came to be known as distinct entity and some of these started gaining independence and founded their own kingdom. and hence give an impresssion that jats rose again.
They existed for sure !
And bhai here you are to rewrite the history again ... right ?
I don't see anything confusing .... but british made it confusing and later so called secular communists.
Yup, British did their best to confuse us regrading our History.
For your kind info Jat even in Nowdays are well spread in Punjab, Himachal, Rajasthan, UP MP, Gujrat ... but not only in Haryana.
And their so called survey told us that jats originated from Rajputs ? I want to see the report about that so called survey ( and if you know about that survey ... write down the outcome of that survey ) and i am more interested in the so called list which you are mentioning here.
On serious note, do you really know when this term 'Rajput' came into existance ? Forget about telling different clans ........
Gaining independence..... from whom ?
Can you tell us about any Rajput King .... of ancient times .... if there was any ................. and here you find so many Jat Kings since thousands of years.
Who separated from whom ...... Real history is exactly opposite what you want to force upon. Jats were the first here and rajputs separated from them gradually.
And bhai here you are to rewrite the history again ... right ?
I don't see anything confusing .... but british made it confusing and later so called secular communists.
Yup, British did their best to confuse us regrading our History.
For your kind info Jat even in Nowdays are well spread in Punjab, Himachal, Rajasthan, UP MP, Gujrat ... but not only in Haryana.
And their so called survey told us that jats originated from Rajputs ? I want to see the report about that so called survey ( and if you know about that survey ... write down the outcome of that survey ) and i am more interested in the so called list which you are mentioning here.
On serious note, do you really know when this term 'Rajput' came into existance ? Forget about telling different clans ........
Gaining independence..... from whom ?
Can you tell us about any Rajput King .... of ancient times .... if there was any ................. and here you find so many Jat Kings since thousands of years.
Who separated from whom ...... Real history is exactly opposite what you want to force upon. Jats were the first here and rajputs separated from them gradually.
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gupta empire made india rich in gold not because india had enough gold in its mines. even silver mines are not enough in india. even copper mines at khetli (rajasthan) wherefrom copper was acquired in pre-iron culture i.e. rigvedic and indus was not good enough for aryans/jats to describe it as bronze age culture.
Jat acquired gold through sea trade. hence, vasudev is made captive by kamsa, hence Jaydratha kills abhimanyu, hence Jats are described in Sindh, hence Somnath is looted by Ghazni....
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snandal1
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and hence that vakataka kalkal jat whom this 2nd vikram betal married his daughter to. because he wanted that bhauruch, gujrat port.
in all history/inscriptions its mentioned that some guild family shifted from ....
in all history/inscriptions its mentioned that some guild family shifted from ....
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snandal1
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burdakji
you must watch an english movie like "water world"
conclusion is that "Jat never jokes"
Jat re Jat tere sir pe khat
teli re teli
tere sir pe kolhu
rre batt (tukbandi) koni bani...
rre koni banyo ...
per bojhal tte mare gya...
you must watch an english movie like "water world"
conclusion is that "Jat never jokes"
Jat re Jat tere sir pe khat
teli re teli
tere sir pe kolhu
rre batt (tukbandi) koni bani...
rre koni banyo ...
per bojhal tte mare gya...
jats are always great
Jat Empire kabhi khatam nahi huai balki alag alag dhramo me batt ghae , jiska phayaida in panditto ne uthaia, inhone kabhi hamara ithihaas nahi likha sirf rajputo ke ghun ghaye, kyoki jat bhramanwad me vishwas nahi rakhta tha. inhone Maharaja Ranjit Singh ko sikh likh diya hum bi inki ha me ha mila rahe hai . ha wo to sardar hai ye nahi jante ki hai to ek khun. kissi historian ne khaha hai "kissi jatti ko khatam karna hai to uske ittihaas ko khatam kar do wo apne aap khatam ho jaenge" yahi humare sath ho raha hai hum samaj nahi rahe jat sikh ko bol dete hai ye to sardar hai.bishnoi jat ko yo to bishnoi se.
Jat Empire kabhi khatam nahi huai balki alag alag dhramo me batt ghae , jiska phayaida in panditto ne uthaia, inhone kabhi hamara ithihaas nahi likha sirf rajputo ke ghun ghaye, kyoki jat bhramanwad me vishwas nahi rakhta tha. inhone Maharaja Ranjit Singh ko sikh likh diya hum bi inki ha me ha mila rahe hai . ha wo to sardar hai ye nahi jante ki hai to ek khun. kissi historian ne khaha hai "kissi jatti ko khatam karna hai to uske ittihaas ko khatam kar do wo apne aap khatam ho jaenge" yahi humare sath ho raha hai hum samaj nahi rahe jat sikh ko bol dete hai ye to sardar hai.bishnoi jat ko yo to bishnoi se.
drrajpalsingh
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Dear Samiksha Ranwa,
The Book under reference explicitly deals with the rise of the Jat power in the 18th century India and has rightly been identified by Shri Ravi Chaudhary in subsequent discussion on this thread as a Ph. D. thesis. There is no pretentiousness on the part of the author about having made any research about the origin of the Jats because at the very outset everything has been made clear in the preface that it is historical analysis of the foundation of the Jat State in the medieval period of Indian History and its subsequent role upto 1768 A.D. i.e. till Maharaja Jawahar Singh guided the role of the then Bharatpur State in the politics of India. I have once again checked the contents of the book and find no data about their population as quoted by you: "the population of jats was 5 times in 4th BC than that in 1921" which means it has been quoted inadvertently by you.
You might have by now completed your research otherwise you could turn to the bibliography as given out on the site of the Jat.com.
Nonetheless, you deserve my thanks to have initiated interest in the book under reference. The delay in posting this reply is due to my late joining the Jat Forum.
Sincerely yours,
Dr. Raj Pal Singh
The Book under reference explicitly deals with the rise of the Jat power in the 18th century India and has rightly been identified by Shri Ravi Chaudhary in subsequent discussion on this thread as a Ph. D. thesis. There is no pretentiousness on the part of the author about having made any research about the origin of the Jats because at the very outset everything has been made clear in the preface that it is historical analysis of the foundation of the Jat State in the medieval period of Indian History and its subsequent role upto 1768 A.D. i.e. till Maharaja Jawahar Singh guided the role of the then Bharatpur State in the politics of India. I have once again checked the contents of the book and find no data about their population as quoted by you: "the population of jats was 5 times in 4th BC than that in 1921" which means it has been quoted inadvertently by you.
You might have by now completed your research otherwise you could turn to the bibliography as given out on the site of the Jat.com.
Nonetheless, you deserve my thanks to have initiated interest in the book under reference. The delay in posting this reply is due to my late joining the Jat Forum.
Sincerely yours,
Dr. Raj Pal Singh