ravinderpannu
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bhai Dahiya,,
je nue soch k ne saari chhoriyan ne maar denge to ,, chhore k upar te tapkenge...!!!!
tu to manne kime ghana ''scared'' dikhe sai...!!!
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Female foeticide: A glance at the reasons
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bhai Dahiya,,
je nue soch k ne saari chhoriyan ne maar denge to ,, chhore k upar te tapkenge...!!!!
tu to manne kime ghana ''scared'' dikhe sai...!!!
vikrantchodhary
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sumitjattan
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I think desire for the male kid is the main reason behind this ill practice ... People with access of ultra sound kill the girl baby before her birth and people with no access leave them in trash cans after the birth . Low income and expensive living force people to have 1 or 2 kids and if they have first kid a female child then they want second kid to be a male at any cost ....... I still not able to figure out why they desire for a male kid so badly .... and the most shocking thing is women folk plays a big role in this malpractice other wise without her consent no one can do this or may be they cant resist the male dominated society of ours
sumitjattan
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When BBC made an documentary on Indian Female Boxing champion .... Mary Kom :
Great video to watch
Great video to watch
sanjeev_balyan
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I read ----- I think there would be any parents in the world, who would change their mind-set against the girl child, just . If a boy does not get married due to non availability of a match, it does not matter much. But, a young and mature girl cannot be left unmarried by their parents for long. Therefore, there is more pressure on the parents of girl child. Suppose your daughter could not do well with the studies. Suppose your daughter is very intelligent and did well in education, but she did not get a good job. Even if, she get a good job, she is not beautiful. Suppose everything is fine, and you do get a good match of a govt. officer, but you do not have enough money to buy him with a SKODA Rapid car. Further, these gifts continue throughout the life. It would become hellish to get your daughter married!
Further, the security of girl is also a major issue. Today, the situation is so bad that parents have to escort their daughter to every where, from school, college, friends place etc. etc. Same problem is not faced by the parents of Son. There is no dearth of cases, where the father of a daughter is killed when he protested eve teasing or molesting of his daughter. Further, today in the name of modernization, there are so many bad influences on the children and if a girl child get wayward, the parents shall not be able to bear this shock. Today, there is a valentine day which nobody can stop. This valentine day gives the goons a license to chase girl, express their love by molesting the girls on the street even rape someone. If somebody protests, he is termed as Old fashioned, conservative, moral police by the media. This is also a peculiar problem with the girls only. Because girls get raped and boys rapes. If somebody’s son gets affected by the bad company, goes to prostitutes and drinks liquor or smoke, it shall be considered normal and acceptable. At the most, people shall keep only nominal social relation with that person. But what if a daughter goes with the boys, drinks and raped, would the society accept that! How such parents shall be able to make eye contact in the society? No example of female achievers could dilute these issues. Because, those female achievers belongs to elite class and do not have to face problems often occuring to common people. No goon could put a glance on PRIYANKA Gandhi.
वा दहिया साहब , बड़ी बढ़िया सोच है , सारे कारण बता दिये छोरिया ने मारण के , इतनी मुसीबत कुकर झेलेगे माँ बाप , बस काट दो रोग बखत ही, अल्ट्रासौंड पे दिखवाके , न रहगा बांस अर ना बाजेगी बांसुरी, और आपके अनुसार कोई भी माँ बाप इस नुसके के अलावा कुछ नहीं सोच सकता ,
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sumitjattan
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वा दहिया साहब , बड़ी बढ़िया सोच है , सारे कारण बता दिये छोरिया ने मारण के , इतनी मुसीबत कुकर झेलेगे माँ बाप , बस काट दो रोग बखत ही, अल्ट्रासौंड पे दिखवाके , न रहगा बांस अर ना बाजेगी बांसुरी, और आपके अनुसार कोई भी माँ बाप इस नुसके के अलावा कुछ नहीं सोच सकता ,
The infant female children are also not safe .... The mindset of uneducated literates needs to get refreshed ... If you can look in the history you can see only girl child of great leaders become leader after them ... Indira Gandhi . Benazir , Khalida Zia and the list is endless .... I like western mindset in this particular perspective ie equality for all and no gender bias .
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?34128-Death-of-Baby-Afreen-a-real-agony
dahiyavijay7
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भाई या मेरी सोच कोन्या ये वास्तविक कारण हैं female foeticide के | अगर इन अडचनों का निपटारा समाज नहीं करता है तो किसी awareness programme का ढोंग करने का कोई लाभ नहीं है | ये कार्यक्रम केवल t.v. पर वाहवाही बटोरने का साधन है| न तो आप समस्याओं को नकार सकते हो न ही इनके कारणों को इसलिए सोच तो दोष देने के स्थान पर समश्याओं के निवारण पर प्रयास करोवा दहिया साहब , बड़ी बढ़िया सोच है , सारे कारण बता दिये छोरिया ने मारण के , इतनी मुसीबत कुकर झेलेगे माँ बाप , बस काट दो रोग बखत ही, अल्ट्रासौंड पे दिखवाके , न रहगा बांस अर ना बाजेगी बांसुरी, और आपके अनुसार कोई भी माँ बाप इस नुसके के अलावा कुछ नहीं सोच सकता ,
dahiyavijay7
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The infant female children are also not safe .... The mindset of uneducated literates needs to get refreshed ... If you can look in the history you can see only girl child of great leaders become leader after them ... Indira Gandhi . Benazir , Khalida Zia and the list is endless .... I like western mindset in this particular perspective ie equality for all and no gender bias .
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?34128-Death-of-Baby-Afreen-a-real-agony
The western perspective is due to the circumstances prevailing in their society. The problems as enumerated by me do not exist in western society. The law and order situation is better. Therefore, the girl child are not considered a burden there.
dahiyavijay7
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bhai Dahiya,,
je nue soch k ne saari chhoriyan ne maar denge to ,, chhore k upar te tapkenge...!!!!
tu to manne kime ghana ''scared'' dikhe sai...!!!
How do you think that I am favoring foeticide in any way. I am much against it. But, the people who are doing it have above cited reservations, which need to be addressed by the society to curb this evil. However it is shocking to find that instead of understanding the core issue you are blaming me.
In India there are many problems. There is corruption. There is terrorism. If I tell you the various reasons responsible for it, then would you call that I am supporting corruption. Any corrupt people or terrorist have a set of psychology. Which need to be read and analyzed if want to eradicate the problem. The terrorism can not be stopped by only force. Indeed force is needed but other steps like education, social economical changes are also required. Terrorist do not fear death. with force you can at the most kill the person, but you can not kill the idea, which lead the people to take extreme steps. One terrorist dies and two others are born. The britishers used forced against our freedom fighters, but if we believe in the idea of freedom, shall it prevent us in any way. The terrorists are mind washed by various manners, the circumstances allow them to buy the idea of terror.
Same way here, despite stringent laws, female foeticide continues.
dahiyavijay7
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I never come across to any female fortitude issue in mine village and neither in our family or relatives. At least in our family we give high regards to girl. Do Jat really involved in female foeticide incident??? Mine personal experience doesn't say so.
Yes some Jat people are also involved. Some of my known person were also involved in it and they are respected people in society
Only cowherd can take the stand what is detailed in your writing and it still reflects that you are just a mute spectator.
I read a thread on the relates topic where most of the people presented Harrowing statistics, stressing the need to prevent female feticide by giving the consolation like describing achievements made by females. Some described celebrations at the time of birth of girl child as a great move. However, nobody tried to go to the root cause of the problem. First of all, why parents dislike having a girl child and why yearn for male child must be known. I think there would be any parents in the world, who would change their mind-set against the girl child, just by knowing some superficial financial aid or scheme provided by the Govt. for the girl child. Further, No level of advertisement or glorious representation of some female achievers shall bring any change to the situation. We must know why the parents are so much frightened to rear a girl child.
No sooner the birth of a girl takes place; parent’s gets agonized about the safety and marriage of their daughter. Even, when the sex ratio is so skewed, still the parents of girl find it difficult to arrange the marriage of their daughters. Nobody wants to throw his daughter to some unemployed loafer. And a well qualified, govt officer groom expects too much, such as beauty, good education as well as hefty and respectable dowry. If a boy does not get married due to non availability of a match, it does not matter much. But, a young and mature girl cannot be left unmarried by their parents for long. Therefore, there is more pressure on the parents of girl child. Suppose your daughter could not do well with the studies. Suppose your daughter is very intelligent and did well in education, but she did not get a good job. Even if, she get a good job, she is not beautiful. Suppose everything is fine, and you do get a good match of a govt. officer, but you do not have enough money to buy him with a SKODA Rapid car. Further, these gifts continue throughout the life. It would become hellish to get your daughter married!
Further, the security of girl is also a major issue. Today, the situation is so bad that parents have to escort their daughter to every where, from school, college, friends place etc. etc. Same problem is not faced by the parents of Son. There is no dearth of cases, where the father of a daughter is killed when he protested eve teasing or molesting of his daughter. Further, today in the name of modernization, there are so many bad influences on the children and if a girl child get wayward, the parents shall not be able to bear this shock. Today, there is a valentine day which nobody can stop. This valentine day gives the goons a license to chase girl, express their love by molesting the girls on the street even rape someone. If somebody protests, he is termed as Old fashioned, conservative, moral police by the media. This is also a peculiar problem with the girls only. Because girls get raped and boys rapes. If somebody’s son gets affected by the bad company, goes to prostitutes and drinks liquor or smoke, it shall be considered normal and acceptable. At the most, people shall keep only nominal social relation with that person. But what if a daughter goes with the boys, drinks and raped, would the society accept that! How such parents shall be able to make eye contact in the society? No example of female achievers could dilute these issues. Because, those female achievers belongs to elite class and do not have to face problems often occuring to common people. No goon could put a glance on PRIYANKA Gandhi.
Yes some Jat people are also involved. Some of my known person were also involved in it and they are respected people in society
sanjeev_balyan
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भाई या मेरी सोच कोन्या ये वास्तविक कारण हैं female foeticide के | अगर इन अडचनों का निपटारा समाज नहीं करता है तो किसी awareness programme का ढोंग करने का कोई लाभ नहीं है | ये कार्यक्रम केवल t.v. पर वाहवाही बटोरने का साधन है| न तो आप समस्याओं को नकार सकते हो न ही इनके कारणों को इसलिए सोच तो दोष देने के स्थान पर समश्याओं के निवारण पर प्रयास करो
Dahiya ji ,
First of all , I m not blaming you, this is a discussion only,
Most of the reasons you have mentioned are correct. Other points are also behind this. These points should be curbed and removed from the society to control the female foeticide. There is no doubt about it . you have diagnosed the decease . No body is declining these points. But what is the treatment, abusing the society only cannot solve the problem. Can you treat this just like cancer that now these are the reasons behind this and nothing can be done. Surrendering in front of these reasons and not discussing the solution or keeping mum cant be a good citizen view.
Discussing it on TV / other forums cant be hopeless . stating that these TV shows are for gaining publicity only , is not correct.
ravinderjeet
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संजीव भाई ,टेलीविजन कार्यकर्म पबिलीसिटी सटअंट ही होते हैं ,क्योंकि इन् में तथ्यों को छुपाया जाता हे , दर्द कहीं और होता हे और दवाई कहीं और लगाईं जाती हे | सत्यमेव जयते थोड़ा अलग जरूर हे ,पर इसमें भी पूरी तरह से असलियत नहीं बताई गई हे | कई बार जो दिखाया जाता हे उसमे कुछ छुपे हुए सन्देश होते हैं ,जेसे की :-सत्यमेव जयते में कुरुक्सेत्र के कुछ जट्टों के छड़े लड़के दिखाए गए ,उसके बाद रोहतक की एक जाटनी( बोली से पता लग रहा था ) द्वारा यह आरोप लगाना की ऐसे लड़के ही ओरतों को छेड़ते हैं और बलात्कार /ह्त्या करते हैं | आप के ही समुदाय के लड़कों पर आपके ही समुदाय की लड़की द्व्रारा आरोप लगवा दिया गया चुपके से | इस से ये सन्देश जाता हे की ये ही वे लोग हैं (जाट ) जो सब गड़बड़ी करते हैं | जब की आंकड़े बताते हैं की जट्टों की बजाय दूसरी जातिओं का इसमें बहुत बड़ा हाथ हे ,पर बदनाम करने के लिए जाट ही मिलते हैं | इसलिए किसी भी कार्यकर्म के अन्दर कुछ छुपे हुए सन्देश होते हैं उनको समझने की कोशिश करो | यहाँ मुंबई /महाराष्ट्र में भी लिंग अनुपात कमोबेश वेसा ही हे ,पर मराठों का कोई नाम नहीं लेता ,क्योंकि ये फाड़ कर खा जायेंगे ,कार्यकर्म बनाने वालों को | जाट सुनते हैं और चुप हो जाते हैं | सब से ज्यादा दहेज़ हत्या के मामले इन् बनिए ,भाप्पे ,खात्रिओं के हैं ,आज तक कोई कार्यकर्म नहीं बना इनपर | ये तो एक जवान पढ़ी लिखी लड़की को ,जो एक सुन्दर जीवन का सपना ले कर आती हे , मुर्गे की तरह भुन देते हैं ,ये क्या हे ? ये तो भ्रूण ह्त्या से भी बड़ा जघन्य अपराध हे | पर इनका नाम नहीं आता और ना ही आयेगा |---सदभावनाओं सहित |
ravinderjeet
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ओस की बूंदों सी होती हैं बेटियाँ !
खुरदरा हो स्पर्श तो रोती हैं बेटियाँ !!
रौशन करेगा बेटा बस एक ही वंश को !
दो – दो कुलों की लाज ढोतीं हैं बेटियाँ !!
कोई नहीं है दोस्तों एक दुसरे से कम !
हीरा अगर है बेटा तो मोती है बेटियाँ !!
काँटों की राह पर खुद चलती रहेंगी !
औरों के लिए फूल ही बोती हैं बेटियाँ !!
विधि का है विधान या दुनिया की है रीत !
क्यों सबके लिए भार होती हैं बेटियाँ !!
धिक्कार है उन्हें जिन्हें बेटी बुरी लगे !
सबके लिए बस प्यार ही संजोती है बेटियाँ
खुरदरा हो स्पर्श तो रोती हैं बेटियाँ !!
रौशन करेगा बेटा बस एक ही वंश को !
दो – दो कुलों की लाज ढोतीं हैं बेटियाँ !!
कोई नहीं है दोस्तों एक दुसरे से कम !
हीरा अगर है बेटा तो मोती है बेटियाँ !!
काँटों की राह पर खुद चलती रहेंगी !
औरों के लिए फूल ही बोती हैं बेटियाँ !!
विधि का है विधान या दुनिया की है रीत !
क्यों सबके लिए भार होती हैं बेटियाँ !!
धिक्कार है उन्हें जिन्हें बेटी बुरी लगे !
सबके लिए बस प्यार ही संजोती है बेटियाँ
drrajpalsingh
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Dahiya ji ,
First of all , I m not blaming you, this is a discussion only,
Most of the reasons you have mentioned are correct. Other points are also behind this. These points should be curbed and removed from the society to control the female foeticide. There is no doubt about it . you have diagnosed the decease . No body is declining these points. But what is the treatment, abusing the society only cannot solve the problem. Can you treat this just like cancer that now these are the reasons behind this and nothing can be done. Surrendering in front of these reasons and not discussing the solution or keeping mum cant be a good citizen view.
Discussing it on TV / other forums cant be hopeless . stating that these TV shows are for gaining publicity only , is not correct.
If some people are serious to spread the referred to message, media distortions could be encountered in an effective manner.
Bahut khoob, Ravinder yei aapki rachna hai.............
ओस की बूंदों सी होती हैं बेटियाँ !
खुरदरा हो स्पर्श तो रोती हैं बेटियाँ !!
रौशन करेगा बेटा बस एक ही वंश को !
दो – दो कुलों की लाज ढोतीं हैं बेटियाँ !!
कोई नहीं है दोस्तों एक दुसरे से कम !
हीरा अगर है बेटा तो मोती है बेटियाँ !!
काँटों की राह पर खुद चलती रहेंगी !
औरों के लिए फूल ही बोती हैं बेटियाँ !!
विधि का है विधान या दुनिया की है रीत !
क्यों सबके लिए भार होती हैं बेटियाँ !!
धिक्कार है उन्हें जिन्हें बेटी बुरी लगे !
सबके लिए बस प्यार ही संजोती है बेटियाँ
ravinderjeet
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Bahut khoob, Ravinder yei aapki rachna hai.............
जी नहीं ,लेखक का पता नहीं | ये कोपी पेस्ट हे |
sumitjattan
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The western perspective is due to the circumstances prevailing in their society. The problems as enumerated by me do not exist in western society. The law and order situation is better. Therefore, the girl child are not considered a burden there.
Dahiya ji,
Westerners live life more practically then us ,i am not saying they are perfect but they are more practical . I am 100% sure that no one even consider the law and order situation before aborting a girl child . The so called midium class is mainly behind this . What i can think the only reasons behind this is desire for male kid , very costly living and increasing demand of dowry . I can tell you i heard and even saw people compare the cars which they get in dowry.Its not easy for every one to accumulate such a large amount to pay in dowry. These competitions make the life of a low earning people more horrible . Earlier we are far away from this new dowry culture . For some the reasons are some hypothetical desires of male child for some its burden of status for some its concern of future of the female child .
We are moving away from our roots thats why we are facing these problems . If we consider our true jat culture which our forefathers used to follow then i can assure you that these new social problem will crumble like pack of cards .
Thanks and Regards
Sumit Chaudhary
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संजीव भाई ,टेलीविजन कार्यकर्म पबिलीसिटी सटअंट ही होते हैं ,क्योंकि इन् में तथ्यों को छुपाया जाता हे , दर्द कहीं और होता हे और दवाई कहीं और लगाईं जाती हे | सत्यमेव जयते थोड़ा अलग जरूर हे ,पर इसमें भी पूरी तरह से असलियत नहीं बताई गई हे | कई बार जो दिखाया जाता हे उसमे कुछ छुपे हुए सन्देश होते हैं ,जेसे की :-सत्यमेव जयते में कुरुक्सेत्र के कुछ जट्टों के छड़े लड़के दिखाए गए ,उसके बाद रोहतक की एक जाटनी( बोली से पता लग रहा था ) द्वारा यह आरोप लगाना की ऐसे लड़के ही ओरतों को छेड़ते हैं और बलात्कार /ह्त्या करते हैं | आप के ही समुदाय के लड़कों पर आपके ही समुदाय की लड़की द्व्रारा आरोप लगवा दिया गया चुपके से | इस से ये सन्देश जाता हे की ये ही वे लोग हैं (जाट ) जो सब गड़बड़ी करते हैं | जब की आंकड़े बताते हैं की जट्टों की बजाय दूसरी जातिओं का इसमें बहुत बड़ा हाथ हे ,पर बदनाम करने के लिए जाट ही मिलते हैं | इसलिए किसी भी कार्यकर्म के अन्दर कुछ छुपे हुए सन्देश होते हैं उनको समझने की कोशिश करो | यहाँ मुंबई /महाराष्ट्र में भी लिंग अनुपात कमोबेश वेसा ही हे ,पर मराठों का कोई नाम नहीं लेता ,क्योंकि ये फाड़ कर खा जायेंगे ,कार्यकर्म बनाने वालों को | जाट सुनते हैं और चुप हो जाते हैं | सब से ज्यादा दहेज़ हत्या के मामले इन् बनिए ,भाप्पे ,खात्रिओं के हैं ,आज तक कोई कार्यकर्म नहीं बना इनपर | ये तो एक जवान पढ़ी लिखी लड़की को ,जो एक सुन्दर जीवन का सपना ले कर आती हे , मुर्गे की तरह भुन देते हैं ,ये क्या हे ? ये तो भ्रूण ह्त्या से भी बड़ा जघन्य अपराध हे | पर इनका नाम नहीं आता और ना ही आयेगा |---सदभावनाओं सहित |
रविंदरजीत साहब
आपने टॉपिक को दूसरी दिशा दे दी , अगर किसी भी गंभीर विषय पर कोई कार्यकर्म या बातचीत , टीवी शो जाति विशेष की तरफ चला जाता है तो इसका उद्देस्य और परभाव ही बादल जाता है ,
मै आपसे 100 % सहमत हूँ की यदि इस्स टाइप के किसी भी विषय पर कोई भी डिस्कशन किसी जाती विशेस को टार्गेट करती है तो उसका विरोध करना चाहिए,
लकीन मुझे नहीं लगता की इस प्रोग्राम मे जाटो को टार्गेट किया गया था , यह विषय जाट बनाम भप्पे / खात्री / मराठी --------- नहीं है
This (underline) suggestion is very much true and I appreciate your deep thinking.
In order to tackle this problem, we need to take numerous steps such as:
1.Have strong laws
2. Teaching in schools on these topics is made a part of a curriculum
3.Generate political will to make laws and then implement those laws.
Political will can be generated by common man i.e. people like us, khaps and other social organizations who have the powers to influence politicians.
In order to tackle this problem, we need to take numerous steps such as:
1.Have strong laws
2. Teaching in schools on these topics is made a part of a curriculum
3.Generate political will to make laws and then implement those laws.
Political will can be generated by common man i.e. people like us, khaps and other social organizations who have the powers to influence politicians.
Dahiya ji,
Westerners live life more practically then us ,i am not saying they are perfect but they are more practical . I am 100% sure that no one even consider the law and order situation before aborting a girl child . The so called midium class is mainly behind this . What i can think the only reasons behind this is desire for male kid , very costly living and increasing demand of dowry . I can tell you i heard and even saw people compare the cars which they get in dowry.Its not easy for every one to accumulate such a large amount to pay in dowry. These competitions make the life of a low earning people more horrible . Earlier we are far away from this new dowry culture . For some the reasons are some hypothetical desires of male child for some its burden of status for some its concern of future of the female child .
We are moving away from our roots thats why we are facing these problems . If we consider our true jat culture which our forefathers used to follow then i can assure you that these new social problem will crumble like pack of cards .
Thanks and Regards
Sumit Chaudhary