For Pseudo-Secular Hindus and Modi baiters

[rathiji]

Rathi ji,

You took me wrong, i said evils are everywhere. We should look with in before blaming and correcting others and this by the way is soul of hinduism. If you also start to blame others and insult, you are being no different than them

बुरा जो देखन मैं चला बुरा मिला न कोए
जो देखा आप को मुझसे बुरा न कोए

Vikas Bhai,

we hindu,arya samaji sanatani believe in Vasudeva Kutumbukam so this whole world is our family. How can we see our neighbour sick mentally or physically. we need to help them n treat them to keep our neighbourhood n world clean

 

[swaich]

No my dear friend you are entitled to differ. It's ur right. I said those things on basis of harsh reality. I can quote many facts about Islamic countries without even going there with help of neutral international agencies and testimony of non Islamic people living there. But before I do that here is a food for thought . Lets begin from reading about MUTAWEEN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutaween

I am aware of this. It exists in some form or the other in a few Islamic countries as the article mentions Indonesia, Iran and Palestine apart from Saudi.

But my belief is that apart from Saudi, it isn't strictly enforced, at least not on the non-Muslims. These countries have strong orthodox lobbies and such Mutaween are created to keep these lobbies and groups happy.

Just Google how many beauty enhancing, cosmetic plastic surgeries women get in Iran and you will get an idea of how religious the general population really is. Pub and bar culture is prevalent in Malaysia and Indonesia. The bombings in Bali, Indonesia happened in a bar.

Remember Shiv Sena and Sri Ram Sena goons harassing and beating couples in pubs and protesting against V Day? This is similar. The only difference is that its government ordained, but not strictly enforced.

 

[vicky84]

There are right and wrong interpretation all across the world.

Yes there are wrong interpretation of Islam across the world as well as in India.

Islam is mixed with terrorism. There are many sterotypes and notions about Islam like polygamy is allowed in Islam. However based on Kuran, it has to be taken in the right spirit. A Delhi court has prononced it's judgment, where Judge said: "There is no blanket sancation for polygamy in the Kuran." Polygamy is infact banned in some Muslim countries like Tunisia, Turkey. An eye opening article on the same:

Towards a progressive interpretation of Islam

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-...ve-interpretation-of-islam/article4295248.ece

Excerpt:

Citing Muslim scriptures the judge avers that “polygamy is neither mandatory nor encouraged but merely permitted. The Koran’s conditional endorsement of polygamy stresses that self-interest or sexual desire should not be the reason for entering into a polygamous marriage” because the original purpose of allowing this practice was “to protect the social and financial standing of the widows and orphans in their community.”

 

[rathiji]

I am aware of this. It exists in some form or the other in a few Islamic countries as the article mentions Indonesia, Iran and Palestine apart from Saudi.

That's good You are aware of this. It was just a starting of what I wanted you to be aware of.

But my belief is that apart from Saudi, it isn't strictly enforced, at least not on the non-Muslims. These countries have strong orthodox lobbies and such Mutaween are created to keep these lobbies and groups happy.

Those Orthodox lobbies are muslims and justify these acts on the basis of their religious scriptures. Irony, govt. implement these rules too. I would like to give you one homework , as you and me both are aware of the fact that millions of non-muslims live in middle eastern countries. Please give me a list of Temples & Gurudwaras. Tell me also if they are allowed to build one ?

Just Google how many beauty enhancing, cosmetic plastic surgeries women get in Iran and you will get an idea of how religious the general population really is. Pub and bar culture is prevalent in Malaysia and Indonesia. The bombings in Bali, Indonesia happened in a bar.

So according to u cosmetic plastic surgery is the scale for being secular or communal. Well... you talked about Iran then try to find out how many women are flogged every day by religious police for dress code and how many for adultery & how many are in jail for human rights activism. Please try to understand you r trying to favor those who still punish women by stoning them to death.

Remember Shiv Sena and Sri Ram Sena goons harassing and beating couples in pubs and protesting against V Day? This is similar. The only difference is that its government ordained, but not strictly enforced.

So acc. to u such acts by individuals and by organized state machinery is same ???? give me a break.

Moreover, I am talking about the countries in west of India that is middle east and sub saharan Africa not the eastern once like Indonesia or Malaysia. There is one exception also in west that is Turkey. It's a predominently muslim nation but also secular like India. So I dont say things without facts.

 

[rathiji]

Yes there are wrong interpretation of Islam across the world as well as in India.

Islam is mixed with terrorism. There are many sterotypes and notions about Islam like polygamy is allowed in Islam. However based on Kuran, it has to be taken in the right spirit. A Delhi court has prononced it's judgment, where Judge said: "There is no blanket sancation for polygamy in the Kuran." Polygamy is infact banned in some Muslim countries like Tunisia, Turkey. An eye opening article on the same:

Towards a progressive interpretation of Islam

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-...ve-interpretation-of-islam/article4295248.ece

Excerpt:

Citing Muslim scriptures the judge avers that “polygamy is neither mandatory nor encouraged but merely permitted. The Koran’s conditional endorsement of polygamy stresses that self-interest or sexual desire should not be the reason for entering into a polygamous marriage” because the original purpose of allowing this practice was “to protect the social and financial standing of the widows and orphans in their community.”

The concern is not if Kuran,Vedas or Bible allows it. We live in a democratic republic of India where our constitution provides equal rights for all Indians irrespective of caste,creed,religion or race. The primary question is why it is allowed in India for a certain sect if their religion says so. There are many things which Hinduism books says shall we implement all those for Hindus here in India ???

 

[vicky84]

The concern is not if Kuran,Vedas or Bible allows it. We live in a democratic republic of India where our constitution provides equal rights for all Indians irrespective of caste,creed,religion or race. The primary question is why it is allowed in India for a certain sect if their religion says so. There are many things which Hinduism books says shall we implement all those for Hindus here in India ???

People often quote that Kuran allows it. Also people mix Islam with terriorism by quoting Kuran.

As far as polygamy is concerned, it is often abused by people. That is why I quoted that article. Polygamy was also abused by Harayan's former Deputy CM Chandar Mohan by converting to Islam.

Coming back to your question, why it is allowed in India. One has to recognize the fact that India is a very diverse country. India has people of different religions living here for thousands of years. Therefore, in a democratic country, you have to recognize different religions and their identity keeping in a view that it does not hurt others. That is why India celebrate different festivals. That is why we have public holidays on Eid, Diwali etc. So is different norms for people of different religions. Muslims cannot marry by Hindu's rituals and vice versa. But yes, if someone abuse the law, then there is a provision of punishment under the law.

 

[rathiji]

People often quote that Kuran allows it. Also people mix Islam with terriorism by quoting Kuran.

As far as polygamy is concerned, it is often abused by people. That is why I quoted that article. Polygamy was also abused by Harayan's former Deputy CM Chandar Mohan by converting to Islam.

Coming back to your question, why it is allowed in India. One has to recognize the fact that India is a very diverse country. India has people of different religions living here for thousands of years. Therefore, in a democratic country, you have to recognize different religions and their identity keeping in a view that it does not hurt others. That is why India celebrate different festivals. That is why we have public holidays on Eid, Diwali etc. So is different norms for different religion of people. Muslims cannot marry with Hindu's ritual and vice versa. But yes, if someone abuse the law, then there is a provision of punishment under the law.

Vicky Mohan,

Oh come on and please stop glorifying the diversity of country. Do you know what aritcle 44 is all about and how it is being abused. Let me tell you

Indian constitution Article 44 states "The State shall endeavor to secure for citizens a uniform civil code throughout the territory of India."

Instead of that their are personal law and unfortunately there is a All India Muslim Personal Law board , here are its objectives

• To adopt suitable strategies for protection and continued applicability of Muslim Personal Law i.e. Shariat Application Act in India.
• To strive for annulment or exempting the Muslims from the ambit of such direct, indirect or parallel legislation, whether already enacted or in the process of enactment or to be enacted in future, or rulings and judgements of the courts of law interfering in the application of Muslim Personal Law.
• To generate awareness about the injunctions of Islamic Shariah regarding personal and social life of Muslims, and publication of literature for the purpose.
• To formulate a comprehensive framework for promotion and enforcement of personal laws of Islamic Shariah among the Muslims.
• To constitute Action Committees for protection of the Muslim Personal Law from time to time, and for striving to implement of the decisions of the Board throughout the country.
• To constitute a permanent standing committee comprising Ulema and legal experts to study laws, rules, regulations and circulars issued by the central and state governments and other governmental and semi-governmental agencies or the Bills introduced in the Parliament and state legislation from the point of view of their impact on the Muslim Personal Law.
• To promote sense of harmony, goodwill, brotherhood, cooperation and unity among followers of various schools of Islamic Shariah, and to advance unity, coordination among them for the protection of Muslim Personal Law.
• To assess currently enforced Muhammadan Law in India in the light of Islamic Shariah, to arrange for study of various issues in the light of various schools of Islamic jurisprudence, and to find appropriate solutions to the issues facing the community, following the principles of Islamic Shariah, under the guidance of experts of Islamic Shariah and jurisprudence in the light of Holy Quran and Sunnah.
• To constitute Study Teams and organise seminars, symposia, public lectures, assemblies and conferences and tours, and publish literature, use mass media for the purpose of achieving the above objects.

We people are living in fairy tales. Bhai chara, unity in diversity, ganga jamuna , Eid diwali, falana dhimkana . I am fed up of this Ostrich type attitude. We know something is going wrong in front of us but we just want to say some poetry.

 

[virj]

Its not the wrong or right interpretation of anything. Muslim believes that Mohammad led a perfect life and his life is the guide for them. Mohammad had multiple wifes and he did destroy all the idols (Arabs were idol worshippers earlier) and killed the idol worshippers. Even today all the idols are buried under the Mosque in Mecca. He spread his religion by sword and that is what they call jihad (Holy War).

That is why it is easy to build a Muslim army against Hindus. Now the solution lies in first accept that there is a danger and then work toward a solution.

The solution is probably just to make our self strong enough and be ready for any danger. Talking hollow secular talks will lead no where. We have to engage with Muslims not through appeasements or reservation but to lift them, educate them. These appeasements will make the things worse.

 

[vicky84]

Rathi Sahab,

India has a pluralistic legal system because India has been a land of people of different religions. Therefore India has to give a due regard to all religions, cultures etc while drafting a legal framework which could work in way that it does not violate Human rights. Plural legal system also exist in western countries like Australia where Indigenous population has been recognised by the constitution. So you cannot ignore diversity. But problem occurs when there is violation of human rights. In a democratic and secular country, such violation of human rights should not be allowed. For example Shriah law isn't compatible with democracy and international human rights law. Path in India is not that easy because of absence of modernisation in traditional laws of different religions.

Vicky Mohan,

Oh come on and please stop glorifying the diversity of country. Do you know what aritcle 44 is all about and how it is being abused. Let me tell you



Instead of that their are personal law and unfortunately there is a All India Muslim Personal Law board , here are its objectives

• To adopt suitable strategies for protection and continued applicability of Muslim Personal Law i.e. Shariat Application Act in India.
• To strive for annulment or exempting the Muslims from the ambit of such direct, indirect or parallel legislation, whether already enacted or in the process of enactment or to be enacted in future, or rulings and judgements of the courts of law interfering in the application of Muslim Personal Law.
• To generate awareness about the injunctions of Islamic Shariah regarding personal and social life of Muslims, and publication of literature for the purpose.
• To formulate a comprehensive framework for promotion and enforcement of personal laws of Islamic Shariah among the Muslims.
• To constitute Action Committees for protection of the Muslim Personal Law from time to time, and for striving to implement of the decisions of the Board throughout the country.
• To constitute a permanent standing committee comprising Ulema and legal experts to study laws, rules, regulations and circulars issued by the central and state governments and other governmental and semi-governmental agencies or the Bills introduced in the Parliament and state legislation from the point of view of their impact on the Muslim Personal Law.
• To promote sense of harmony, goodwill, brotherhood, cooperation and unity among followers of various schools of Islamic Shariah, and to advance unity, coordination among them for the protection of Muslim Personal Law.
• To assess currently enforced Muhammadan Law in India in the light of Islamic Shariah, to arrange for study of various issues in the light of various schools of Islamic jurisprudence, and to find appropriate solutions to the issues facing the community, following the principles of Islamic Shariah, under the guidance of experts of Islamic Shariah and jurisprudence in the light of Holy Quran and Sunnah.
• To constitute Study Teams and organise seminars, symposia, public lectures, assemblies and conferences and tours, and publish literature, use mass media for the purpose of achieving the above objects.

We people are living in fairy tales. Bhai chara, unity in diversity, ganga jamuna , Eid diwali, falana dhimkana . I am fed up of this Ostrich type attitude. We know something is going wrong in front of us but we just want to say some poetry.

 

[prashantacmet]

I will agree with Christians fighting Christians because of WWI and WWII and other wars in Europe. However I am a bit astonished about other two. Will you please educate us about the number of people killed by Hindus. Ever heard of Genghis Khan , Taimur and other Muslim invaders who butchered locals in thousands ? Did Hindus burn any library in entire human history? Did Hindus convert people by force? Did Hindus bring slaves after any war and sold men and women?

RK^2

RK ji.....Genghis khan was not a muslim..due to this "khan" title most people think him a muslim..but infact "khan" was first used by Mongols..and..after the 2-3 generations of Genghis khan.. his lineage accepted islam...Timur belonged to his lineage....Genghis Khan's religion is speculated to be Shamanism or Tengriism, which was very likely among nomadic Mongol-Turkic tribes of Central Asia. But he was very tolerant religiously, he consulted Christian missionaries, Muslim merchants, and the Taoist monk Qiu Chuji.

 

[rathiji]

Rathi Sahab,

India has a pluralistic legal system because India has been a land of people of different religions. Therefore India has to give a due regard to all religions, cultures etc while drafting a legal framework which could work in way that it does not violate Human rights. Plural legal system also exist in western countries like Australia where Indigenous population has been recognised by the constitution. So you cannot ignore diversity. But problem occurs when there is violation of human rights. In a democratic and secular country, such violation of human rights should not be allowed. For example Shriah law isn't compatible with democracy and international human rights law. Path in India is not that easy because of absence of modernisation in traditional laws of different religions.

Vicky,

It's completely wrong. India doesn't have pluralistic legal system according to the constitution framed in 1950. It had during the time of Mughals & Britishers. But post independence our people & leaders chosen the path of democracy & equality of all sects, religions, cast, creed everything.

Let's have a look on some human rights cases. In 21st century , when we are nuclear power and biggest democracy in world, a muslim man can divorce his wife by saying triple talaq and she can't challenge it in any legal courts of India. What a shame ? It has happened thousands of time but many times got the limelight of nation in 1987, Shah bano case. read about it. The APEX court , highest body of indian legal system slammed union govt. and directed them to implement Uniform Civil code according to constitution.

In the biggest democracy and a competent power, a muslim man can marry as many as four wives and produce children with all of them. It's a shame as well as burden on nation as economically and socially. The demographics have changed in many areas and they are being changed.

Muslims live in every corner of earth but apart from Muslim countries it is only India which provides laws to enjoy 7th century customs & traditions. Even turkey a predominantly Muslim country penalise polygamy. It is a crime there.

As per Hindu mythology Lord Krishna had 16000 wives so shall we hindu ask govt. to allow us the same ? Do you want to modernise people or want them to stick to the same 7th century mindset. Respecting all religions doesn't mean playing with constitution and social fabric of country. I think our supreme court knows best about Indian constitution if there is any scope for personal law for muslim or not. Here is Shah Bano case. Just read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Bano_case

 

[vicky84]

Vicky,

It's completely wrong. India doesn't have pluralistic legal system according to the constitution framed in 1950. It had during the time of Mughals & Britishers. But post independence our people & leaders chosen the path of democracy & equality of all sects, religions, cast, creed everything.

Rathi bhai,

India has a legal pluralism. Let me quote one the source:


http://www.ichrp.org/files/reports/50/135_report_en.pdf

In India and Bangladesh, different religious communities have their own personal laws (some codified and some not) that govern many aspects of marriage and family, though all cases are heard in a unitary court system. In Malaysia, a person’s religious identity automatically determines which law governs his or her family disputes, whereas in Cameroon a person is free to choose whether family matters are governed by customary laws or by general civil law which is open and applicable to all. Under the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, Muslims in Thrace, Greece, may choose to use Muslim laws for certain matters.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/shariah-courts-for-women-by-women-to-come-up-in-4-cities/1139298/

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...3151_1_courts-darul-qaza-matrimonial-disputes

"This court will decide within the framework of Muslim personal laws and mainly deal with matrimonial disputes. This is a kind of domestic tribunal set up by the Muslim community."

 

[abhikrana]

No mind is this world is unbiased no matter what one might or might not say. It is always coloured by one's experience.

Yes, one's actions can be rational or irrational, but that again can be very subjective in the same manner as one man's fight for freedom might be insurgency for the other.

Coming back to the point of interpretation, I am not singling out Holy Quran and I am also talking about the PRESENT TIMES,the times that we live in and the times that would follow from the present and because of the present.

Yes, there was a renaissance in the Christian world where the Christian world in a way moved away from Christianity being a state religion or Christianity being a guiding force in all policy matters. Similarly, Hinduism has undergone its share of reforms from Sati pratha to abolition of polygamy.

Why is the INTERPRETATION that you referred to, stopping the Muslims from reforming? Take any part of the world which has Muslim habitation, you will find commotion and turmoil. I am unable to understand and that is the reason I had put this question to you and I still seek an answer to it if you can help me find it since you raised this topic in the context of the Holy Quran as principles of faith being nothing more than the way they are interpreted and acted upon.

A fair question. Now I would request you to read with an unbiased mind. Do you think Quran is the only one which has been wrongly interpreted?

Do you know how many Christians were burnt by the clergy for being witches and heretics? Do you know why the Christians of Europe launched the Crusades in far away Holy Lands aka current day Israel/Palestine? Do you know how Christian missionaries justified the slave trade and forced conversions of natives in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

Yes, that was all justified and supported by the so called interpretations of the Bible.

Even the Khalistani militants justified killing Hindu merchants and other innocents as a part of their fight against Khalsa's enemies as mentioned in the Guru Granth Sahib.

So, the point here is that since ages, some people have tried to convince others of their own beliefs and views by taking support from their holy books. This is nothing new. It has always been people of some religion or the other trying to justify their own actions or thoughts by quoting their religion. If I wish to wage war on Hindus or India in general, like in those videos I will find a couplet or a verse from Quran to support my theory. On the other hand, if I wish to live in peace, I will find a verse that justifies my actions.

My sole criteria for not condemning Islam as some lunacy is that I see more peaceful followers than violent, evil ones. I have the good fortune of closely interacting with many classmates, colleagues and friends who have really widened my perspectives of Islam and the society we live in.

 

[swaich]

That's good You are aware of this. It was just a starting of what I wanted you to be aware of.

Thank you, sir. I am glad you are expanding the horizons of my knowledge. Please feel free to share other nuggets which you think are the only one to be aware of.

Those Orthodox lobbies are muslims and justify these acts on the basis of their religious scriptures. Irony, govt. implement these rules too. I would like to give you one homework , as you and me both are aware of the fact that millions of non-muslims live in middle eastern countries. Please give me a list of Temples & Gurudwaras. Tell me also if they are allowed to build one ?

Ahh, another task to make me more educated, just like you. I hope my effort is upto the mark.

The following list contains list of Gurudwaras in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia and UAE. As you'd know all of these are Islamic countries. I don't have time to dig up similar info for temples, but maybe this list gives you enough idea if they built it or transplanted it via massive helicopters from India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurdwaras_in_Asia

So according to u cosmetic plastic surgery is the scale for being secular or communal. Well... you talked about Iran then try to find out how many women are flogged every day by religious police for dress code and how many for adultery & how many are in jail for human rights activism. Please try to understand you r trying to favor those who still punish women by stoning them to death.

Its one of the scales like others. But the point is that every country makes a few rules to pander to their right wingers. Doesn't mean the local people follow it to the T. Some have moral police, some ban Beef

So acc. to u such acts by individuals and by organized state machinery is same ???? give me a break.

Not individuals, parties like Shiv Sena. You can have your break.

Moreover, I am talking about the countries in west of India that is middle east and sub saharan Africa not the eastern once like Indonesia or Malaysia. There is one exception also in west that is Turkey. It's a predominently muslim nation but also secular like India.

Why make a distinction between Islamic countries? Lets factor them all into our discussion as it only supports my point that its a folly to generalize them all.

So I dont say things without facts.

Let me give you an example of your facts:

All Islamic countries have moral police.
All Islamic countries have laws that forbid you from keeping idols at home or worshiping your own Gods.
All Islamic countries don't allow non-Muslims to build their places of worship.

BUSTED.

 

[swaich]

No mind is this world is unbiased no matter what one might or might not say. It is always coloured by one's experience.

Yes, one's actions can be rational or irrational, but that again can be very subjective in the same manner as one man's fight for freedom might be insurgency for the other.

Coming back to the point of interpretation, I am not singling out Holy Quran and I am also talking about the PRESENT TIMES,the times that we live in and the times that would follow from the present and because of the present.

Yes, there was a renaissance in the Christian world where the Christian world in a way moved away from Christianity being a state religion or Christianity being a guiding force in all policy matters. Similarly, Hinduism has undergone its share of reforms from Sati pratha to abolition of polygamy.

Why is the INTERPRETATION that you referred to, stopping the Muslims from reforming? Take any part of the world which has Muslim habitation, you will find commotion and turmoil. I am unable to understand and that is the reason I had put this question to you and I still seek an answer to it if you can help me find it since you raised this topic in the context of the Holy Quran as principles of faith being nothing more than the way they are interpreted and acted upon.

The reason I gave historical examples, is because when evaluating a religion or its followers, its unfair and wrong sampling to only look at a specific time period. For eg. If I were to look at Sikhism during Abdali's reign, I would say it was about to die. But about 20 years later, it was flourishing under Ranjeet Singh.

But still, if you insist we can take the present times. I think the root of the problem is that still most Muslims are poor, uneducated and backward. If I had the data, I would like to compare incidents of violence in Islamic countries with low levels of literacy and Islamic countries with high literacy. I am sure the latter would have lower rates of violence. Or maybe I will be proved wrong. But it will definitely an interesting analysis.

I agree, everywhere we look Muslim countries are in the grip of violence and upheaval. But at the same time, there are some that are relatively peaceful. But surely the violence of a few (in my opinion) makes more noise than the peace of majority.

 

[prashantacmet]

I agree, everywhere we look Muslim countries are in the grip of violence and upheaval. But at the same time, there are some that are relatively peaceful. But surely the violence of a few (in my opinion) makes more noise than the peace of majority.

"some are peaceful"... yeh baat to bilkul theek hai....par aapne wo 100 main se 75 wala scale nahi maana....aap apna khud ka bata do..wo "some" kitne honge out of 100?...

ya fir

duniya main jitne bhi religions hai unme se sabse jyada fanatics islam main hai..yeh maante ho ya nahi....?

 

[abhikrana]

There is a huge diaspora of Sikhs settled in the West, both highly educated and the so-called averagely educated. Yet I am yet to come across one act of terrorism indulged in by them outside India except for the Kanishka Bombing (PanAm flight) over in Canada in which all 329 innocents on board were killed.

There is a huge diaspora of Hindus in the West and I am yet to come across a single terrorist act carried out by them.

Coming to the point of Education playing a key role in terrorism, can we forget that most of the terror attacks in the west have been executed by HIGHLY educated muslim youth.

Look at any muslim country, either the muslims are at war with the minorities or in case there are no minorities, with their own sub-sects. Why is violence or the Holy War still an integral part of their faith? Why is their interpretation so wrong all across the world if the Holy Quran also preaches peace?

The reason I gave historical examples, is because when evaluating a religion or its followers, its unfair and wrong sampling to only look at a specific time period. For eg. If I were to look at Sikhism during Abdali's reign, I would say it was about to die. But about 20 years later, it was flourishing under Ranjeet Singh.

But still, if you insist we can take the present times. I think the root of the problem is that still most Muslims are poor, uneducated and backward. If I had the data, I would like to compare incidents of violence in Islamic countries with low levels of literacy and Islamic countries with high literacy. I am sure the latter would have lower rates of violence. Or maybe I will be proved wrong. But it will definitely an interesting analysis.

I agree, everywhere we look Muslim countries are in the grip of violence and upheaval. But at the same time, there are some that are relatively peaceful. But surely the violence of a few (in my opinion) makes more noise than the peace of majority.

 

[swaich]

"some are peaceful"... yeh baat to bilkul theek hai....par aapne wo 100 main se 75 wala scale nahi maante ho....aap apna khud ka bata do..wo "some" kitne honge out of 100

I don't know exactly that number. But tell me honestly, do you? Nobody does. So why condemn?

 

[prashantacmet]

I don't know exactly that number. But tell me honestly, do you? Nobody does. So why condemn?

chaliye sahab theek hai.par aduniya main jitne bhi religions hai unme se sabse jyada fanatics islam main hai..yeh maante ho ya nahi....?

 

[rathiji]

Thank you, sir. I am glad you are expanding the horizons of my knowledge. Please feel free to share other nuggets which you think are the only one to be aware of.

your welcome Swaich.

Ahh, another task to make me more educated, just like you. I hope my effort is upto the mark.

The following list contains list of Gurudwaras in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia and UAE. As you'd know all of these are Islamic countries. I don't have time to dig up similar info for temples, but maybe this list gives you enough idea if they built it or transplanted it via massive helicopters from India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurdwaras_in_Asia

Again a piece of sheer ignorance and less knowledge from you. Malaysia is a federal constitutional monarchy which gurantees the freedom of religion so no question. Indonesian constitution also stipulate freedom of religion. Now about Dubai,i.e, UAE this gurudwara was bulit only a few years ago and I am the one who followed this event and contributed to the cause. The land was given by govt. to build the compound but it's the govt which subsidises 95% of mosques and there is a ban on non muslims for proselytising n distributing religious text. So is this the same respect to Hinduism and Sikhism ? Pakistan, I dont think I need to tell you about the state of minorities there including Hindu,Sikh,Christian,Bahai, Ahmedi. Abdus Salam one out of two muslim scientists who ever won nobel prize was insulted like anything coz he was a Ahmedi. Iran, The religion, politics, civil code everything is Islamlic(shitte) and these gurudwaras which are listed in Wikipedia doesn't exist. Moreover the supreme leader is always a Shia Iman and read his views on ur nation . Khameni

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...r-backs-Kashmir-struggle/Article1-628346.aspx

I will be grateful to u if u cud atleast give the same exaggerated list of Hindu dieties temples too in those countries which are Islamic by constitution.

Its one of the scales like others. But the point is that every country makes a few rules to pander to their right wingers. Doesn't mean the local people follow it to the T. Some have moral police, some ban Beef

Banning beef means not killing one animal to eat and stoning to death means killing a fellow human being for so called morals.

Not individuals, parties like Shiv Sena. You can have your break.

That's why Shiv Sena is not a pan-indian party even with majority of population as Hindu. You know the difference between state and individual. State means the constitution and govt. following it and legal framework enforcing. Is it the same in case of Shiv Sena ???

Why make a distinction between Islamic countries? Lets factor them all into our discussion as it only supports my point that its a folly to generalize them all.

I am not making any distinction. The countries which are Islamic by constitution and export Islamic extremism and terrorism I am talking about them only.

Let me give you an example of your facts:

All Islamic countries have moral police.
All Islamic countries have laws that forbid you from keeping idols at home or worshiping your own Gods.
All Islamic countries don't allow non-Muslims to build their places of worship.

Just take it as facts.

Yes, All Islamic countries have moral police. Islamic countries doesn't means muslims in majority it means constitutionaly Islamic. Like India ia Hindu in majority but it is not a Hindu country.

Yes, All Islamic countries have laws and even extremists and terrorists supported by those laws who insults n prohibit other religions specially hinduism.

Yes, All Islamic countries don't allow non-muslims to build their places of worship.

BUSTED.

Long live the dream.