For Pseudo-Secular Hindus and Modi baiters

[rathiji]

भारत पाकिस्तान को बाद में देख लेंगे, तू पहले डिस्कशन करने की कुछ तमीज़ सिख ले। मेरे पास नॉनसेंस डिस्कस करने के लिए के लिए टाइम नहीं है।

Bold letters with anger. what happened Vicky any problem?

waise jo mera post tune quote kiya usme badtameezi wali baat bhi bata de main maafi maang leta hun .

This post is not a discussion between u & me. If you think some nonsense is going on better save ur time and stay away but don't talk like this.

 

[cooljat]

Truth hurts bro. Wonder for how long pseudo secularists will defend so called religion of peace .. thou it would be interesting to watch. Btw, looks like few of them already trapped in the web of secularism they built.

Bold letters with anger. what happened Vicky any problem?

waise jo mera post tune quote kiya usme badtameezi wali baat bhi bata de main maafi maang leta hun .

This post is not a discussion between u & me. If you think some nonsense is going on better save ur time and stay away but don't talk like this.

 

[abhikrana]

As has been pointed out by Sumit, innocent non-muslims have been killed in Nairobi and Pakistan by Muslim fanatics.

My question still remains: If the Holy Quran preaches peace, why do its followers all across the world kill innocent non-muslims in the name of religion. My question is for all those who talk of Islam being a religion of peace. At this moment, I have not taken any position and would like to analyze this phenomenon threadbare with an open mind.

 

[desijat]

I have a friend(Indian) who married a Hindu from Pakistan and living in Canada. Her husbands family lives in Karachi and have heard that there is no problem as it is shown. So a first hand account.

We have heard about atrocities against Hindus in Pakistan. But the video below shows completely opposite to that. There are many Hindu temples in Karachi. Hindus live proudly without any fear or any interference. And also how good the Hindu community is doing in Pakistan:

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/sp...the-hindus-of-pakistan-aired-june-2006/283458

 

[vicky84]

Bold letters with anger. what happened Vicky any problem?

waise jo mera post tune quote kiya usme badtameezi wali baat bhi bata de main maafi maang leta hun .

This post is not a discussion between u & me. If you think some nonsense is going on better save ur time and stay away but don't talk like this.

Since you have asked, let me tell you. First of all discussion is not between you and me. But started getting personal. Infact your last post was not in a good taste at all.

 

[vicky84]

Just because there are extremist in some community does not mean one has to paint entire community with same brush. I don't think anyone here is supporting extremism. Good and bad people are in every community. But that does not mean one will malign entire community for wrong doings on some. Bad elements are also in Hindu community but that does not mean I will malign entire community. If the lunatic fringe in a community is the criteria to define a community then I am sorry. No community is this world would come as clean. In Hindus we have maoist, who are killing thousands of innocent people every year. But that does not mean a majority of Hindus are extremist.

A lot of countries in middle east are in grip of terrrorism and extremist. Dictators have ruled these countries for a long time. Administration had been week in these countries which in result gave an opportunity to bad elements to flourish. This is one of the reason why these countries are struggling to cope with lumpen elements. But that does not mean I will start maligining entire community for wrong doing of some bad elements. Every country in the world had a good and bad time.

 

[rathiji]

Since you have asked, let me tell you. First of all discussion is not between you and me. But started getting personal. Infact your last post was not in a good taste at all.

Ib baat na ghuma nu bata last post pe konsi baat pe chingari lagi thee tere or key personal attack the nu bhi bata ?

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Members are requested kindly to discuss views expressed in the posts and not the persons who post them.

This could lead to avoidance to much acrimonious situations being reported and re-reported by members against one another

and also smoothen healthy intellectual discussion.

Thanks

 

[rathiji]

I have a friend(Indian) who married a Hindu from Pakistan and living in Canada. Her husbands family lives in Karachi and have heard that there is no problem as it is shown. So a first hand account.

Bahut badhiya chalo koi to sukhi hai wahan. Kyonki mere to musalman dost hai Pakistan ke yahan London me ve bhi dukhi hai Pakistan se

 

[vicky84]

Ib baat na ghuma nu bata last post pe konsi baat pe chingari lagi thee tere or key personal attack the nu bhi bata ?

Chingari tai tere lagi hui hai..Teri post Moderator ne edit bhi kari thi lekin tere baat samagh nahi aayi thi.. Tu pher personal ho gaya..Dhang se baat kar liya kar na to karan ki jaroorat na hai..

 

[shekharjat]

Chance mila to jaroor jaaonga!!

vicky bhai chance to mil hi jayega.......agar appme iccha ho delhi mai majnu ke tile parr makeshift camp hai ho aao ek baar milkar pata chal jayega ki kiya ho raha hai pakistan mai..........bhai 14 saal ki jaise hi hindu ladki hoti hai usse uthha kar le jate hai.. aur conveted karke shaadi ho jati hai.....masjid mai maulvi kehta hai ki ek kaafir ko islam mai lane ke liye .tumko jannat naseeb hogi.........

bhai ye to pakistan ki baat hai bhai yaha to india mai bhi bura haal hai..........muzaffranagar mai dange kui hoye...........

bhagwan ne aapko shi mai........lucky banaya jo app india mai ho imagine agar app pakistan mai hindu ke ghar paida ho gaye hote ............ek baar jarro sochana seriously bhai........rongte khade ho jate hai......

 

[rathiji]

Chingari tai tere lagi hui hai..Teri post Moderator ne edit bhi kari thi lekin tere baat samagh nahi aayi thi.. Tu pher personal ho gaya..Dhang se baat kar liya kar na to karan ki jaroorat na hai..

Duniya bhar ki baat ghuman laag ra nu na bataya ja raha tere pe post me key personal attack tha , konsi post me. Jib te itni garmi te post likhi thee to ib bata bhi de garmi aayi ku kar thee ...

 

[rathiji]

vicky bhai chance to mil hi jayega.......agar appme iccha ho delhi mai majnu ke tile parr makeshift camp hai ho aao ek baar milkar pata chal jayega ki kiya ho raha hai pakistan mai..........bhai 14 saal ki jaise hi hindu ladki hoti hai usse uthha kar le jate hai.. aur conveted karke shaadi ho jati hai.....masjid mai maulvi kehta hai ki ek kaafir ko islam mai lane ke liye .tumko jannat naseeb hogi.........

bhai ye to pakistan ki baat hai bhai yaha to india mai bhi bura haal hai..........muzaffranagar mai dange kui hoye...........

bhagwan ne aapko shi mai........lucky banaya jo app india mai ho imagine agar app pakistan mai hindu ke ghar paida ho gaye hote ............ek baar jarro sochana seriously bhai........rongte khade ho jate hai......

Iss bhai ku pehle hi invite kar rakha hai maine or even best wishes bhi de rakhi hai VISA ke liye.

 

[shekharjat]

भारत पाकिस्तान को बाद में देख लेंगे, तू पहले डिस्कशन करने की कुछ तमीज़ सिख ले। मेरे पास नॉनसेंस डिस्कस करने के लिए के लिए टाइम नहीं है।

vicky bhai bahut samman ke saath keh raha hu........apke pass jehadio ki nonsense defend karne ka full time hai parr ............koi sahi cheezz discuss karne ka time nahi...........chalo hum hi karle lete hai aapas mai discuss............

 

[vicky84]

Duniya bhar ki baat ghuman laag ra nu na bataya ja raha tere pe post me key personal attack tha , konsi post me. Jib te itni garmi te post likhi thee to ib bata bhi de garmi aayi ku kar thee ...

Tune pehle family ko leke likha tha, "family ke saath reh ke dekhna, UP mei"..Kyun bhai tu kaun hai merko order dene wala..Aab tu batayega merko kahan rehna hai..Uske baad tu Visa ke order den lag gaya merko.. Tu hai Kaun? Apna kaam kar ek aud nai padd kai.. faaltu ke drame na rache yahan pe.

 

[shekharjat]

I have a friend(Indian) who married a Hindu from Pakistan and living in Canada. Her husbands family lives in Karachi and have heard that there is no problem as it is shown. So a first hand account.

desi bhai..chalo ek kaam karte hai pakistan ke haalat thode sudhar jaye .......aur app jab india aao to app aur mai.........pakistan chalte hai jyada time bhi nahi lagega.........ambedgar stadium se bus chalti hai...........dono kuch jatto se milenge..meri urdu bhi thik thak hai koi hamme pehchaan bhi nahi payega..........aur kuch mandir aur gurudwaro mai bhi ho ayenge....aur asliyat bhi pata chal jayegi.......

rhetoric nahi hai........sachh bol rha hu mera hamesha se pakistan jane ka mann hai app ke saath aur achha rahega dono side of story jatland parr share karenge............

 

[rathiji]

Tune pehle family ko leke likha tha, "family ke saath reh ke dekhna, UP mei"..Kyun bhai tu kaun hai merko order dene wala..Aab tu batayega merko kahan rehna hai..Uske baad tu Visa ke order den lag gaya merko.. Tu hai Kaun? Apna kaam kar ek aud nai padd kai.. faaltu ke drame na rache yahan pe.

Oh bhai baat sun mere bahut rishteydaar rehte hai MZN me obviously Jats or mera aana jaana bachpan se hai. Ye jo danga hua KhalaPar me isse pehle or iske baad bhi kya haalat hai mujhe kya is forum pe jitne Jat MZN ko jaante hai sabko pata hai. Kawaal me bhi mullo ne Malikpura ki ladki ko pareshan kiya tha. aaye din roz ki baatein hai ye. or teri meri kya family ki baat kar raha hai yahan sab ek hi to family hai , Gaurav or Sachin bhi hamari hi family se the or unki bahen bhi kya hua unke saath pata nahi tujhe.

Or rahi baat visa ke order dene ki , tu Pakistan ki pairvi kar raha tha or keh raha tha jaane me interested hai maine tujhe bas itna kaha "Try for visa soon". Kya pata hum jo Church, Mandir, Shia procession pr roz hamle ki khabar sun rahe ho vo galat ho. Tu sahi facts le kar aaye.

 

[shekharjat]

Oh bhai baat sun mere bahut rishteydaar rehte hai MZN me obviously Jats or mera aana jaana bachpan se hai. Ye jo danga hua KhalaPar me isse pehle or iske baad bhi kya haalat hai mujhe kya is forum pe jitne Jat MZN ko jaante hai sabko pata hai. Kawaal me bhi mullo ne Malikpura ki ladki ko pareshan kiya tha. aaye din roz ki baatein hai ye. or teri meri kya family ki baat kar raha hai yahan sab ek hi to family hai , Gaurav or Sachin bhi hamari hi family se the or unki bahen bhi kya hua unke saath pata nahi tujhe.

Or rahi baat visa ke order dene ki , tu Pakistan ki pairvi kar raha tha or keh raha tha jaane me interested hai maine tujhe bas itna kaha "Try for visa soon". Kya pata hum jo Church, Mandir, Shia procession pr roz hamle ki khabar sun rahe ho vo galat ho. Tu sahi facts le kar aaye.

bhai ji sahi baat west up ke jatto ko rooz ye jhelna padd rha hai........hum logo ki familio ..ke saath kuch na kuch rooj sunane mai aata hai.......jo log west up se hai wo sabb jante hai parr.........badnasibi jat samaj ki ajj iss dukh ki ghadi mai bhi kuch jat bhai hamara nahi musalmano ka favour lete hai........

rathi ji jab tak inn logo ki family ke saath koi bura bartav nahi karta ye hamme hi dosh denge.......mai to chaahunga kabhi kisi ki family ke saath bura na ho ...parr jispe gujarti hai usse hi pata chalta hai..........

bhai ek do log hi to joote ho sakte saare west up ke jaat to nahi jhoote abb iss post parr is baat ke liye attack mat karna ki maine family ki baat kardi.......bhai hum rooj jhel rahe hai agar tum hamara saath nahi de sakte to kam se kam hamre virodhio ki tarafdaari na kia karo.........

 

[rathiji]

Friends & countrymen,

I am here attaching today's main/front page reports of renowned Pakistani newspaper, THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/607996/sunday-mass-murder-front-page/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/607912/ahmadi-persecution-police-bow-to-clerics-to-tear-down-minarets/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/607981/and-then-they-were-gone/

The front page is full of stories and report of mass murder and persecution of minorities. There is one more important thing to note here that at the end of these reports you will find comment from many muslims and people of Pakistan. You will be surprised to learn that they all unequivocally condemn these attacks and think religion is responsible for it. Unlike few Indians.

People in Pakistan are also fed up of these so called Talibanized Mullas responsible for daily mayhem. But there is a lobby of Pseudo-secularists & communists active in India to support these Talibanized Mullas.

I can understand a mulla supporting terrorists as he can give a reason being muslim but I never understood the reasoning of Pseudo-secularist Hindus. We are at war with Pakistan or the idea of Pakistan since 1930's, damm it. We should think Zillion of times before supporting it. We fought three full scale wars 48,65,71 and Kargil too. We have lost many lives of our brave soldiers. On top that we are fighting a proxy war which every year take lives of many civilians too. There are Hafiz-Saeed, Bhatkals, Zaki-ur-rehman, Syed Salauddin and many more working day & night to bleed India and Indians. They ruined the culture the harmony the peace in sub-continent. This is not a fight between India & Pakistan or Religions , It is fight of Good & bad. Pehle bhi aisi ladaiyan hui hai or jab tak manavta rahegi hoti rahengi. Jab jab adharm(paap) badhega dharm(humanity) ki raksha karne ke liye yudh hoga or bhagwan khud saath denge dharm ki raksha karne walo ka.

यदा यदा हि धर्मस्य ग्लानिर्भवति भारत ।
अभ्युत्थानमधर्मस्य तदात्मानं सृजाम्यहम्

 

[rajpaldular]

भारत के लिए सेकुलरिज्म कितना खतरनाक हो सकता है ये नीचे दी गयी बातों से समझा जा सकता है:-


१. सेकुलरिज्म के नाम पर पाकिस्तानी सैनिकों के द्वारा हमारे सैनिकों के गले काटे जाने पर भी पाकिस्तान के विरुद्ध नहीं बोल पाते सेक्युलर नेता क्योंकि बोलते ही वोट बैंक हाथ से खिसक जायेगा अथात वोट बैंक क्या चाहता है समझ सकते हैं।


२. सेकुलरिज्म के चलते हिन्दू देवी देवताओं को गाली देने वाले और हिन्दुओं को काटने की धमकी देने वालों का समर्थन करना पड़ता है और उनके विरुद्ध बोलने में भय लगता है।


३. सेकुलरिज्म के चलते नेताओं को आतंकवादियों को मासूम और सताया हुआ बोलना पड़ता है चाहे वो खुले आम बम फोड़े, लोगो को गोलियों से भूने।


४. सेकुलरिज्म के चलते नेताओ को आतंकी को दी जाने वाली सजा के विरुद्ध बोलना पड़ता है और उनकी सजा को देश पर कलंक का नाम देते हैं चाहे वो खुलेआम लोगों की जान ले ले।


५. सेकुलरिज्म के नाम पर अपने ही स्वाभिमान को बेच कर उन लोगो के चरण चुम्बन पड़ता है जो भारत माता को डायन कहने से नहीं हिचकिचाते और श्री राम को गाली देते हैं।


६. सेकुलरिज्म के नाम पर हिन्दू संतो को गालिया दी जाती हैं चाहे उनको फंसाया जा रहा हो पर मुस्लिम अथवा इसाई धर्मगुरूओ पर अपराध सिद्ध भी हो जाये तो उनको बचाने के लिए धर्म का सहारा लिया जाता है।


७. सेकुलरिज्म के नाम पर अपनी ही संस्कृति को गालियाँ दी जाती है और दूसरी संस्कृति जो इस देश का विनाश का सपना देखती है, सम्मान दिया जाता है।


ऐसे हजारों बाते हैं जो सेकुलरिज्म के नाम पर देश में हो रही हैं एवं शिक्षित युवा तक ऐसे सेक्युलर लोगों की बातो में आकर जय चन्द की भूमिका निभा रहे हैं और देश को मिस्त्र और लेबनान की तरह गृह युद्ध की और ले जा रहे हैं।