Gandhi? Well, How about Chanakya!?!
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shailendra
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...Hold your verile horses back there fella, In any case I was simply quoting someone there...But you know what, I think we both may be incorrect...
Cause if I ain't wrong, and from what I recall it's probably 'Daam' (for Bribery!) ;-)
shailendra
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There you go!!!
Thanks, Navin...
sonalisingh
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Of course, one also wonders what motivation Chanayaka may have in publishing the Niti. Does it not amount to giving away your strategies and educating your enemies ?
Or was it also a strategy to mislead others ?
Or was it really an honest desire to inform and educate ? Or did he do it when he was a mere professor and did not actively play politics ?
Or was it also a strategy to mislead others ?
Or was it really an honest desire to inform and educate ? Or did he do it when he was a mere professor and did not actively play politics ?
sonalisingh
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Oh thank God ! I am not alone ! Phew !
I had seriously begin to think I was the lone Hindustani who just couldn't stand that stuff !
Ugghh...Snore...Yawn !!
Some of those actors were slower than Vajpayee in moving around and getting their words out ! I swear, if I was physically there I'd have punched them and spoken their words for them...
And those Sansktritised dialogues ! Did people actually get what they were saying ? I refuse to believe that the Gaonwalas actually understood anything that was being said.
I had seriously begin to think I was the lone Hindustani who just couldn't stand that stuff !
Ugghh...Snore...Yawn !!
Some of those actors were slower than Vajpayee in moving around and getting their words out ! I swear, if I was physically there I'd have punched them and spoken their words for them...
And those Sansktritised dialogues ! Did people actually get what they were saying ? I refuse to believe that the Gaonwalas actually understood anything that was being said.
shailendra
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...I wouls say both of the above! It is one thing to talk/preach/consult on certain policies and then completely else to be able to implement them....We all know he was perhaps the only one who practised those in a most shrewed manner with fruitful and very immediate results!!!
[How is the serial viewing coming along?...Don't you miss the fact that it does not shed too much light on his Niti's? (how and why...)]
shailendra
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" Hey Matae, Kya Bhrata-shree abhi tak udyan mein bhramad kar rahe hain...?" ^_^
Oh man, all they missed was the golden halo behind their heads! No wonder kaha jaata hai ke kuch jagahon pe log nah-dhoh ke ...haath jod ke baith jaate the just before the appearance of Shree Ram on the little 'idiot-box'!
sonalisingh
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Well it is hard to say. Making the association between the Nitis and Chanayaka's machinations would really require an in-depth analysis...like one that would be taken for
any literary endeavor. It would require both a detailed knowledge and understanding of the Nitis as well as history...both of which most of us lack.
Frankly, I have a to rely a lot on the English subtitles to make some sense of the dialogues. Most of it goes over my head.
That said, the serial has been a godsend. It keeps my old man hooked to the tv hours on
end, and ma dozes off right away. So it keeps them off my back. :-D
Actually, Pa actually relishes the fact that we have found something in common...
...but damn now my VCR is toasted....we were about half way into the serial....darn !
any literary endeavor. It would require both a detailed knowledge and understanding of the Nitis as well as history...both of which most of us lack.
Frankly, I have a to rely a lot on the English subtitles to make some sense of the dialogues. Most of it goes over my head.
That said, the serial has been a godsend. It keeps my old man hooked to the tv hours on
end, and ma dozes off right away. So it keeps them off my back. :-D
Actually, Pa actually relishes the fact that we have found something in common...
...but damn now my VCR is toasted....we were about half way into the serial....darn !
shailendra
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...Whoa! I must say that I am immensely pleased to have somehow been able to contribute here to the other post," Bachao Sonali ko Bachao!" ... in some in-direct way notwithstanding!!! ^_^ ...
[ps. And oh yes...at the risk of sounding cliched; personally very-very glad to see the words 'Ma' and 'Pa' in there too!!! Good job!
Don't worry, it does not make you sound any less tough.....]shailendra
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Here are some more reasoning from Chanakya's Arthashastra:
" When the king under attack cannot afford the time needed to sow dissension among the members of the confederacy, Kautilya advises that it is best to make peace by making concessions, with the time bought by peace, he shall try to remedy his weaknesses. What to do is to remedy each type of weakness as soon as possible." Moral of the story is never take a panga or pick up a fight till you have the power to back it. Or else, wait, build your strength and then attack. You must be able to swallow your ego to do this.
The Weak King - Kautilya cautions against spineless submission and foolhardily valor. It is better to give up what will be taken by force and live to fight another day. Only if the circumstances are not conducive to peace shall he fight. A weak king may try to reduce his losses by suing for peace. Equally, he can employ clandestine methods to kill or weaken the aggressor. "Peace can be sought even after the aggressor starts his campaign by offering him useless things. (12.1.24-31). If this fails an envoy can be sent to dissuade the aggressor from continuing his campaign. If this is also useless, the aggressor can be killed or undermined by provoking rebellions and attacks. (12.2.8-10). Or, he can be assassinated "(12.2.2-7).
" When the king under attack cannot afford the time needed to sow dissension among the members of the confederacy, Kautilya advises that it is best to make peace by making concessions, with the time bought by peace, he shall try to remedy his weaknesses. What to do is to remedy each type of weakness as soon as possible." Moral of the story is never take a panga or pick up a fight till you have the power to back it. Or else, wait, build your strength and then attack. You must be able to swallow your ego to do this.
The Weak King - Kautilya cautions against spineless submission and foolhardily valor. It is better to give up what will be taken by force and live to fight another day. Only if the circumstances are not conducive to peace shall he fight. A weak king may try to reduce his losses by suing for peace. Equally, he can employ clandestine methods to kill or weaken the aggressor. "Peace can be sought even after the aggressor starts his campaign by offering him useless things. (12.1.24-31). If this fails an envoy can be sent to dissuade the aggressor from continuing his campaign. If this is also useless, the aggressor can be killed or undermined by provoking rebellions and attacks. (12.2.8-10). Or, he can be assassinated "(12.2.2-7).
shailendra
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One of Chanakya's policies on War: Quote-Unquote,
'Vigraha', this could usually mean a conventional war, a secret war or a proxy war as is better known today as an undeclared war. The last twenty years have seen proxy and undeclared wars become more effective.
For example: When Pakistan prints fake Rs 500 rupee notes to destabilize the Indian economy, provides protection to the Mumbai's underworld, who in turn dominate the Hindi Film industry and extort money from businessmen and from Bollywood.
shailendra
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Man! Again, come 2nd October and it is 'Bapu' all over the place...while no mention anywhere at all of another equally (if not less) powerful statesman; Lal Bahadur Shastri
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