Ganguly dropped.. great decision!!

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Sabse badhi baat to yeh hai ki logo ki memory kitni short hoti hai... sab bhool gaye ki Ganguly ki wajhe se hi yeh team yeha tak pauchi hai.. yuvraj kab ka hi team se out ho chuka hota agar Ganguly usko support nahi karta to.. aaj jitne bi youngester is team maie hai wo Ganguly ki badolat hi hai...

if they include wasif jafar in last eleven than where Mohd. Kaif will be placed ?
 
Good- decision

My view about Ganguly is that he is undoubtly a good player but
he is the only person who did the politics in the indian team.
so dropping him out and giving chance to another player is just another change in the tean unlike the dropping Jaysuriya out from the Srlilankan team(Remember he is one of the few plyer who made SriLanka World Champion).

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Pankaj Balhra
 
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satyakarwasra said:
Selectors have taken this decision considering long term goals.Gautam Ghambir has already proved himself with Virendra Sehwag for the opening slot. And also selectors have included in-form Wasim jaffer as a reserve player for the opening slot .Wasim Jaffer is performing consistently in domestic cricket for the long time.
It was the direct clash between Ganguly and Yuvraj for one place in middle order.Yuvraj is an aggressive and match winner player. He is doing good job in both aspects of the game. So Ganguly was the oblivious choice to thrown it out.I would again say that it is brave decision indeed.
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hey ! thtz fine if u say long term goals (so called)..but whtz the point replacing a mid order batsman with an opner....comeon guys we all knw tht this happened coz now pawar wanna play his game in his style......i mean first dalmia supporting calcutta guy (ganguli) and now powar supporting mumbaian opner............well lets hope its only a sheer chance .......
but guys i still believe tht no if the policy is tht u'll saty if u perform then its a injustice...................

Roopak
 
Mukesh,You know Yuvraj was out of team for some time when he didn't performed. But when he came again in team, He came strongly. He played a crucial match winning knock of 75 runs(64 balls) in his first match after come-back when India was on the verge of loosing series against Zimbabwe. At that time India were behind of 2-1.So it is the immense talent of Yuvraj that positioned him in the team, not Sourav Ganguly.So please don't place these silly quotes like "yuvraj kab ka hi team se out ho chuka hota agar Ganguly usko support nahi karta to" .

"if they include wasif jafar in last eleven than where Mohd. Kaif will be placed "

Mohd. Kaif also doesn't have a place in this current team. He will play a role of reserve player in next match. In middle order, there is only one place and it will be filled by Yuvraj Singh.Please keep in mind that, Kaif is a middle order player, not a opener. For third test, the Indian team will be like
1.Virendra Sehwag
2.Gautam Gambhir/Wasim Jaffer
3.Rahul Darvid
4.Sachin Tendulakar
5.VVS Laxman
6.Yuvraj Singh
7. Mahendra Singh Dhoni
8. Irfan Pathan
9.Ajit Agarkar
10. Anil Kumble
11.Harbhan Singh
 
actually ganguly was begging for the cricket,,if he has substance he has to prove on pitch not on the channels by giving statements against board or coach...Its been ages that he scored above 50.....

GHEE TOO ANDHEREY MEIN BHI DIKH JA KAREY.......
 
The Question is Not Why he is dropped?

Dear Members,
The question is not as to why Ganguly has been dropped? The real question is the reasons given for dropping him and the manner he has been dropped. There is a lot that has been written about Wasim Jaffer being a conductor's son and that is good for cricket if he is given a chance. My arguments are as under:
1. Just about three weeks ago, when the same selectors/board (led by Mr. Kiran More/Mr. Mahindra respectively) selected Ganguly. Now they are dropping him because they want to keep eye on the future. How come the vision has changed in three weeks? Does it mean that they admit that Ganguly's inclusion in the team for the first two tests was not because of performance. It that be so, the first person to resign is Mr. Kiran More, for as a Chief National Selector, he needs to be open to the public and expose those who promote players for reasons other than performance. So, Kiran More is as guilty as any one else.
2. Sacking the three national selectors the day Mr. Sharad Pawar took over and now dropping Ganguly shows the amount of politics that is going on in the Cricket Board in India. Should there be a cause for Nationalization of the Board? Another thing to make money will be the advertising rights, which will change sooner than later unless current contract holder offers handsome money to the powers involved in decision making.
3. If domestic cricket performance is any criteria, then why not recall Zaheer Khan for Agarkar. Is Agarkar getting younger every day while Ganguly and others are getting older.
4. Once again, Zaffer is an opener and if some one has to replace a middle order batsman, then probably he may not be the right choice. I am sure there are number of middle order batsman who may be doing as good as Wasim Zaffer has done in domestic cricket. However selecting a player from the lower income group, probably may make Mr. Sharad Pawar a Hero in that section of voters and may benefit him in next elections. This could be speculation on my part, but pretty much possible.
5. I don't believe in keeping Ganguly in the team (or for that matter any one else) purely on the past performances. If he has done some thing for the team or Cricket in past then he got rewards for that. Let us ensure we do right thing in present and future will be good.
6. Many members have expressed the views for the inclusion of Mr. Wasim Zaffer in the team for he comes from the poor back ground. I am sure the same members will not like when a scheduled caste candidate coming from a poor back ground gets admission or job ahead of them even if he is as qualified as they are based on his economic background or family history. Let us not have double standards.
7. There could have been better way to handle the situation. I would say, if Ganguly did not deserve the place in the team, then he should not have been selected for the first two tests itself.
8. I am sure, unless Sachin Tendulkar retires himself, there will be a lot of protests from all over the country if he is dropped from the squad for indifferent performance.
9. What is more important is the consistency in the system. Such changes do not give right signal. Selection of Zaffer does not give any hope to new aspirants from poor section of society, it just gives them insecurity and fear of being left out if some one with whom they get associated, loses out in power game at the top. It also encourages cricketers towing the line of politicians and administrators rather than concentrating on the game.
10. Probably Ganguly is reaping the fruits of what he sowed in his prime time.

Good luck for Indian Cricket.
 
He is gone for good

When we talk of impartiality, it never existed in this cricket board of ours. Let us not talk logic as logics have no place in this system.We in india have regional interests and they come before the national interest....like it or lump it and it is going to stay here like that only. What Dalmia did to protect his breed, the same is being done by the present boss. Dalmia had been abusing the power vested in him for a long time and Pawar faced humiliation because of this man, not once but twice. When i say this, i do not support any biased action of Mr Pawar but then thats how the things move here in cow belt.



Dada is a history and he is taking solace in the burning streets of our Kolkotta....[this is BTW biggest example of Regionalism] Ganguly out burn Kolkotta....as if Kolkotta is India. Let Ganguly cool his heels while Jaffer makes hay. A politician has been sent to a place which he deserves best. Selectors have done their job and we are banging our head for someone who is no one.
 
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RAHUL NADAR
 
Dears all,

Though I have been criticizing Dada for his dismal batting performance during the past couple of years, I am of the view that he was a great and fearless leader. In him India had the most successful captain in the history of Indian cricket. I am of the view that he deserved a better farewell. He was one man who could stand upto and look into the eyes of "gori chamdiwalahs", without any blink. He made a bunch of good players "Team India". We have had even better players than the present lot, but Ganguly's team was the best team. Why ? Because he enthused confidence in his fellow players and made it a team. As has been rightly said above, our memory is too short. Only 15 months ago he was our darling captain when we beat Pakis in Pakistan and drew Austrialia in their own country.

It is ironic that he has been dropped after his most sensible and consistent batting performance in the recent past !!! In both the innings he contributed in building up the innings. If performance was the only criteria where does Laxman stand ? He too has been rather erratic, and mind you he too is no teenager. Now the question is, will Jaffer at all be given opportunity in the final eleven ? I have my doubts. If he is not to be given a chance where was the need to bring him in ? If he is given a chance to open and Gambhit made to sit out, why Gambhir was not dropped ? To me, Jaffer is another Brajesh Patel - lion of domestic cricket and jackel of international matches. He has been given several chances which he could not capitalise. It is rightly said above, if someone need to be replaced, it is Kiran More. He has been controversial throughout his tenure. Refer Abhijit Kale incident when he was accused of bribes !!!

After observing the events the whole day today, I am somewhat confident that the selectors will have to reverse their decision and bring him back. After all Pawar is Minister because of lefties who will be on his throat. Our politicians will do anything for "kursi". "Dada ko phir mahan khilidi batayenge aur vapis layenge". If that happens, and if by any chance Ganguly plays a three figure plus innings, will the selectors resign ? No. Siddu has rightly called them puppets.

Here, I may draw your attention here that if there is someone who practices regionalism or parochialism in Indian cricket today, they are the Mumbaikars. Sandeep Patil is after our own Sehwag on Star TV day in and day out. Was he to be replaced with Jaffer but axe fell on Ganguly ? Sehwag will have to play a big knock, otherwise he too may be shown the door like Ganguly !!! Patil has the guts to criticize Pathan and Harbhajan but never utters a word against Agarkar !!!

As regards Ganguly, the matter does not stop here it will become a big issue even in political circles.
 
Though this was posted in reply to another thread, but I am posting it again on this thread as the issue is same.
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Dear All,

The controversy over Ganguly is unfortunate because it is being equated with the efficacy of appointing Chappel as a coach. We should understand certain things clearly and taking into considerations our characteristics. We are basically lazy people (exception only proves the rule) and don't like to work hard. No wonder we fare so badly in almost all sports. One silver medal in individual sport in Olympics in the last 60 years or so for a nation of our size is shameful. Now please don't give me a lecture about facilities, infrastructure and genetics. If I am not wrong even a nation like Surinam has a Gold Medal in Swimming.

What is the harm if Chappel is making the Indian Cricket Demi-Gods go through a scientifically proven physical fitness program? What is the harm in experimenting and making every player believe that he can be made to play in any position for the interests of the team?

The fact is that Gavaskar doesn't posses the talent or aptitude to become a coach (he himself has said this). Even Kapil Dev was tried and we all saw what happened (Vo fixing ka episode yaad aaya jab Kapil bhoo bhoo kar ke roya tha BBC interview main. Natakbazz). Let us not forget that Chappel comes from a nation that has sports in its veins. Just see the statistics. I know some of you might say 'Under Arm Bowling Incident', but then what he did then was very much within the rules of the game and for his team (the rule was changed later). In 'Kalyug' sometimes it is important to forget the virtues of 'Satyug'.

Bhai, Sehwag improve nahin karega, physically & mentally, to vo bhi nikalega. World Cup 2007 mein jeetna hai to 'Danda' chahiye. I am saying this with a lot of conviction. As far as Chappel is concerned, all players are equal. Sabko ground ke 10 Chakkar katne hain to Bhai katne hain. Tendulkar hoga Cricket God for the nation but even he too has to be fit. And by the way he is 'The Most Disciplined' player in the present team.

I am waiting for that day when we discuss about Hockey, Kabbadi and Volleyball with same intensity !!!

Regards,

JS Malik
 
Let's look forward and give chance to youngsters. I think the selectors are looking beyond 11 players who play the game...they want to build a 18 player team...and I rate it as a good move. For those who think why Ganguly was dropped even after scoring 40 & 39...and who think Jaffar as a replacement for Ganguly...it's not the reason. Reason is they want to give chance to yongsters and they already have better players to bat at 6th and 7th position...As Ganguly bats at that position, he gets compared to them(Yuvi and Kaif) and gets himself dropped as he's underperformer as compared to them. I see this as a strong reason!! Kyon?
 
ramksehrawat said:
Dears all,

Though I have been criticizing Dada for his dismal batting performance during the past couple of years, I am of the view that he was a great and fearless leader. In him India had the most successful captain in the history of Indian cricket. I am of the view that he deserved a better farewell. He was one man who could stand upto and look into the eyes of "gori chamdiwalahs", without any blink. He made a bunch of good players "Team India". We have had even better players than the present lot, but Ganguly's team was the best team. Why ? Because he enthused confidence in his fellow players and made it a team. As has been rightly said above, our memory is too short. Only 15 months ago he was our darling captain when we beat Pakis in Pakistan and drew Austrialia in their own country.
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Well Said uncleji.
People like Chapell(Gori Chamdiwalahs) beleive in " Foot dalo and Raaj Karo." policy.

Go through this article

http://cricket.indiatimes.com/quickiearticleshow/1334291.cms
 
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jagmohan said:
Though this was posted in reply to another thread, but I am posting it again on this thread as the issue is same.
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Dear All,

The controversy over Ganguly is unfortunate because it is being equated with the efficacy of appointing Chappel as a coach. We should understand certain things clearly and taking into considerations our characteristics. We are basically lazy people (exception only proves the rule) and don't like to work hard. No wonder we fare so badly in almost all sports. One silver medal in individual sport in Olympics in the last 60 years or so for a nation of our size is shameful. Now please don't give me a lecture about facilities, infrastructure and genetics. If I am not wrong even a nation like Surinam has a Gold Medal in Swimming.

What is the harm if Chappel is making the Indian Cricket Demi-Gods go through a scientifically proven physical fitness program? What is the harm in experimenting and making every player believe that he can be made to play in any position for the interests of the team?

The fact is that Gavaskar doesn't posses the talent or aptitude to become a coach (he himself has said this). Even Kapil Dev was tried and we all saw what happened (Vo fixing ka episode yaad aaya jab Kapil bhoo bhoo kar ke roya tha BBC interview main. Natakbazz). Let us not forget that Chappel comes from a nation that has sports in its veins. Just see the statistics. I know some of you might say 'Under Arm Bowling Incident', but then what he did then was very much within the rules of the game and for his team (the rule was changed later). In 'Kalyug' sometimes it is important to forget the virtues of 'Satyug'.

Bhai, Sehwag improve nahin karega, physically & mentally, to vo bhi nikalega. World Cup 2007 mein jeetna hai to 'Danda' chahiye. I am saying this with a lot of conviction. As far as Chappel is concerned, all players are equal. Sabko ground ke 10 Chakkar katne hain to Bhai katne hain. Tendulkar hoga Cricket God for the nation but even he too has to be fit. And by the way he is 'The Most Disciplined' player in the present team.

I am waiting for that day when we discuss about Hockey, Kabbadi and Volleyball with same intensity !!!

Regards,

JS Malik
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This is called hitting the nail on the very head. Ganguly even if back through a dirty political game, will be a big liability and will be chucked out after a game or two. I strongly feel that selectors should not buckle under presser at this stage and let this chapter be closed so that Dravid can assert as a captain. Can i ask one question to worthy members? What's about the record of Dravid as a captain ? Sehravat bhai saheb welcome on board....i was missing you in particular.
 
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Now..this is really interesting:
http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2005/dec/16sabha.htm

Ab Lok Sabha mein bhee cricket discuss hogi...
Strange thing is that Ganguly ka dropping case discuss ho sakta hai Lok Sabha mein lekin "Why India lost the last world cup to Australia" kabhi discuss nahin hua???

I think, left parties want govt. to raise this issue in the parliament. And most of them are from Bengal....It's a puppet show going on at the CENTER!!
 
Bhai ise hi to regionalism kahte hain.
Waise parliament me aaj bomb ki afwah hone ke karan ye discussion shayad nahi ho paya....:D
 
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Kumble has been declared Man OF the Series.
 
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