Getting married in same caste..

there are not many but 99 out of 100 parents who wants their children to mary in same caste.
Agree with you kuldeep..

In other caste like brahman,baniya,chmaar,balmiki etc. everyone want to marry their chidren in same caste.These are our good customs bound us to follow the same caste rule.If nobody wants that his daughter or sister has to marry in other caste then why only jaats are only on target of media and others for same thinking.
Getting married in same caste is not a bad thing, but what If, you love someone truly is from another caste??that time if you sacrifice, the coming life with new partner is just merely a compromise..According to parents they are right but If you go on youth they are also not wrong..As the same you can see in the above news i shared..

And only jats are targeted by media because of Records
The Haryana government also submitted before the court that 21 FIRs have been filed against 113 people since 2005, charging them with murders for honour.

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The media follow this a bad name is worse than bad deeds
 
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By the way, here are some new ones:
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Father found guilty of all 83 sex crimes against daughter​

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wives are very intellectual and smart, they find it hard to gel with the elders in the family.

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Amit jee- you have raised a very good point i.e., gel with elders in the family. This is important to keep the big family together.

Regards,

Urmila
 
Therefore, it is always advisable to find suitable match within the same social group/caste which is always long lasting. There is a kind of social bond which protects the marriages within community if the marriage has the consensus of family. QUOTE]

Singh jee- very well said. I have seen ill matched people in arranged marriage but the arranged marriage lasts irrespective of the frustrations with each other.
My concern is the unhealthy environment that the children grow up in.

Regards,

Urmila.
 
Independent media is one of the core pillar of a vibrant democratic society. They are doing a good job of bring out the issues that are swept under the carpet in the name of 'culture'.

It is not about education, it is about 'awareness'. Education is an indication of knowledge but NOT the proof of it. Thats why we may have academically educated but socially/issue unaware people. Multi-level awareness for various stakeholders including parents, youngsters, execution mechanism (police, courts, etc), and society at large is needed.

So its about Awareness & empowerment (victims and enforcement people with law) and exemplary enforcement (create an example, strict punishment, strict enforcement, significant deterrent for potential perpetrators).

A society is usually what its members want it to be but it is also true that only select few provide the thought-leadership to the society most are followers. Very few provide reformative thought-leadership and those activists are the one to take the society forward in a progressive manner (as opposed to conservative, orthodox, thought-leaders who would prefer to have those youngsters killed for the intercaste alliances). Lets create positive, reformative, constructive and action-orientated thought leadership that can engage the masses (jats of hinterland), not just elite jats on internet with 'purist' views.

Vishal jee- very well written post. Very good ideas :) What stood out was that a marriage has 'various stakeholders' as you have put it, and not just the 2 people who are getting married :) Thank you for posting :)

Regards,

Urmila.
 
I disagree that 'Love At First Sight' and 'Love Marriages' are one and same thing i.e. infatuation and short term ecstatic sentiments. Both are very different constructs. Love marriage does not necessarily equate to 'Love At First Sight'.

In order to investigate further, let use define the love marriage first so that we all can discuss things from a common base albeit with differing views. I am going by the following definition, all other FM (forum members) are encouraged to challenge or debate this definition and we can evolve or modify accordingly at later stages:
Love marriage entails a matrimonial alliance between two consenting adults, with or without the permission of their guardians.

I further propose to expand, yet set constraints around the definition of the love marriage in the specific context of Jat samaj of hinterland India.

Definition of Indian Hinterland Jat Love Marriage:
"A matrimonial alliance, with or without the permission of their guardians and at times wider jat khap society in case of taboo gotra are involved, between two consenting hetrosexual adults of opposing gender of any caste, creed, gotra, race and religion where at least one party belongs to rural or urban Hindu Jat community hailing from historical jat dominated hinterland of contemporary political entity of Republic of India.

Exclusions from the definition: For the sake of simplicity, I have chosen to exclude same sex relationships (not that those do not exist, to be discussed SEPARATELY, for the record Im a pro-gay hetro male), relationships involving jats moved overseas e.g. to a western country. These cases have peculiarity of their own and I suggest to discuss them in separate threads, if anyone is so inclined and if stakeholders of the site (members and mods included) are mature enough and deem it suitable to discuss such taboo subjects.

A recent doctoral level thesis <ref not provided> that studied the survivability of marriages by studying them on a longitudinal basis over multi-year span e.g. at the time of marriage, same couple were surveyed again after 5, 10, 15 and 20, years. The study concluded that survivability of marriage is influenced by few key factors, namely similarities between partners in terms of goals/life-vision/hobbies/shared-values/background, financial stablity, mutual communication and conflict resolution skills, etc. Shared culture is part of shared background hence it contributes to the shared background. But having same culture does not automatically provide sharing shared values, vision of life, hobbies and they more important for the survivability of marriage.

I will differentiate between Caste and culture. Caste does not have impact but culture does, to some extent but not as much as shared goals/vision/hobbies/background.

For example, a jat married to punjabi both hailing form dusty town (say Hansi or Meham) share more in terms of culture as opposed to Hansi-born-and-broughtup jat will ever share with another jat raised in Canberra. "Canberra Jat + Hansi Jat" couple will have less shared background including culture when compared to "Hansi jat + Hansi Punjabi" couple. Thus lesser chances of survivability of marriage.
Caveat: Study was conducted in the context of western cultures.


Interesting. lets take a look at marriage like a 'product life cycle' i.e. each product has a life cycle from design to hay days to obsolete. Another study that comes to mind was about happiness level of couple in marriage. Study found that happiness level is high in first 2 to 3 years and then drops rapidly initially and then slowly, peaking between 7 to 12 years (bulk of divorces happen around this time), this happiness level then gradually starts to pick up and restoring the same level of satisfaction at the time of marriage around 17+years. Those in old age, still married were found to be very satisfied. It is interesting to note why such fluctuation is happiness and mutual satisfaction level of couple from eachother in the marriage.

They are happy initially due to newness of relationship, younger age, lot to explore, less/no responsibility (kids, mortgages, etc).

It drops rapid when newness wears off, added responsibility of kids and mortgages, pressure from career (most are also in process of building their career, trying to move into mid level management, etc), less time for each other, higher stress levels, etc. Couples fight lot more around this time, differences becomes more prominent and tolerance reduces greatly and majority divorces happen around this time.

Then it starts to pick up again, its mainly because most couples have learn to deal with (even after adjusting for other variables e.g. career, financial conditions, responsibilities) each others idiosyncrasies for 3 key reasons (a) diff no longer exist and have found happy middle ground, (b) stopped caring about the diff and accepted the status quo and are at peace with status quo, (c) have enhanced communication skills, still have diff but communicate more and resolve better on case by case basis.

Taking a wholistic view of marriage within not just the caste but cultural context coupled with financial, personal and shared background is the key to better survivability. This is easier to understand when we accept that all marriages go through fluctuation over the life time, some of which can be generalized i.e. those who do not divorce even unhappy eventually become happy in the marriage as they find equilibrium with time.

सो बात की इक बात, अच्छी बुरी साब के गैल हो से,
खुद का खांदे हो, पैरां पे खड़े हो, तोह आपनी मर्जी की करो,
अगर माँ बाप घर परिवार आर समाज (not necessarily jat samaj but where you will live e.g. a western country) ने राजी कर के कर सकते हो तोह और भी अच्छी,

Vishal Jee - excellent post :)

Regards,

Urmila.
 
I disagree that 'Love At First Sight' and 'Love Marriages' are one and same thing

(c) have enhanced communication skills, still have diff but communicate more and resolve better on case by case basis.

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Both the above points are quite valid :) Understanding where the problem lies is the key to correcting it :)
 
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हा...हा...हा...भाई, इसके लिए पहले तो दिमाग में विचार आना चाहिए कि ये संसार नरक है और यहां कितना बुरा हो जाए कुछ नहीं कह सकते...फिर ये सोचना पड़ता है कि क्या ऐसा भी हो गया होगा इस संसार में...इसके बाद गूगल पर सर्च किया जाता है...तब ऐसी खबर मिलती हैं... जब यहां बातों ही बातों में ये खबरें मुझे पता चलीं तो मैं भी हैरान रह गया...मुझे इतनी उम्मीद नहीं थी कि इस संसार में कुछ लोग इतने भी आधुनिक हो गए होंगे...
 
Still there are many families in India, wants their children to marry in their own caste, still people have orthodox beliefs,Do you think a guy/girl should revolt against his/her family to get married in other caste, in a situation when they both love each other.

It depends on how long the 'love' has lasted? Few days, few years? The longer the duration, the more genuine it is and demands a more serious approach by everyone involved. Also, what is the maturity level of the 'love birds'? i.e., are they wordly wise.

Regards,

Urmila.
 
It depends on how long the 'love' has lasted? Few days, few years? The longer the duration, the more genuine it is and demands a more serious approach by everyone involved. Also, what is the maturity level of the 'love birds'? i.e., are they wordly wise.

Regards,

Urmila.


I think urmila true lovers are blessed by God, And some how IF destiny don't allow your friend to be your life partner than we should accept it...I started this thread to know why parents prefer caste..but I don't suggest anyone to revolt against them..Love depends on age..13 to 19 just an attraction 20 to 24 it demands care after that "Saath"
 
Still there are many families in India, wants their children to marry in their own caste, still people have orthodox beliefs,Do you think a guy/girl should revolt against his/her family to get married in other caste, in a situation when they both love each other.
I think that caste is an important institution, in west people are suffering from alienation. Materialism and conspicuous consumerism have fragmented their personality. So I think Jat should not encourage dilution of their identity. Ethnic identity is an important aspect of human life. However after all, marriage is an individual choice and so is revolt.
 
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