Girl's right in Parents property

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Please put your view on right of girl in parents property. I think it is neither 100% right nor 100% wrong, what u say,

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Girl's Right in Parents property

I think there is right of girl in parents property but it is being denied to the girls by all of us. We boast of lot of things about gender equality but to nothing practically. Who prevents us from giving her due share in the parent's property? We all are practically against giving her her due share.

R.S.Dahiya
 
Ek paisa bhi nahi milna chaiye.

Just my views ...

regards, and RAM RAM.
 
Question of Practicability...

Dear All,

It is not a very simple act of saying 'Yes' or 'No'. There is no doubt in my mind that 'Girls must get share in parents property'. But let us see how this will will create chaos in our villages. For example, say I have a piece of land in my village and it has to be divided amongst the two brothers and five sisters. How would I do it? Can I give a piece to each of my sisters and how will she deal with this? Can she or her husband till the land in my village? Imagine the confusion this will create in JATLAND. There will be migration all over.

OK, the sisters may decide to sell it off. But to whom? The 'Kunba' would not allow it to be sold to anyone but them. If the brother can't afford to buy it, then what? If the brother says that "OK fine, you sell your portion of the land to whom ever, but then don't expect me to continue to give you gifts on all & sundry ocassions". It is quite possible that the age old custom like 'Bhaat Bharna' too may be questioned.

I am not commenting here on those brothers who sell all their land and don't give a penny to their sisters. Nor I am talking about the JATS who don't have any connection with the village anymore and are city bound. In both these cases it is not at all difficult to divide the property equally.

It is not the question of whether girls should get a share in their parents property as most of us agree on this point. The main issue we should focus on is HOW?

I am sure members would have suggestions to unlock this puzzle.

Regards,

JS Malik
 
Will it affect relations?

I think we all are ready to give share to our sisters, but?????????????????

- will it not affect relationship of a brother and sister later (After marriage)?

- Will we able to give full respect and regards to our married sisters after giving her share in property.

- Is a girl actually wants her share in parents property, Lady memebers are requested to put their views on this point.

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RAM RAM.

I dont think girls should get any share in parental property.

We (brothers) pay through our noses to get them married off in pomp and splendour ... dhoom-dhaam. You name it - eg, an average indian wedding in the Uk will cost barest minimum £40,000 with some going as far up as £100k.

Then, on top of that, they go off into their "new" family (no doubt it'll be on the same [or even above] financial level as the current one).

Then after that they should try and claim a hissa on what is no longer theirs! And it won't be so much her who enjoys - more your brother-in-law.

What cheek!

Its gender-equality/political correctness gone mad in neo-secular Indian society.

I say "no chance".

Regards, and RAM RAM.
 
Though all for women empowerment, I am of the view that property rights (rather claim over parental property, as this right already exists for decades) will put girls in a very miserable condition. They will be bigger prey for dowry seekers. What happens when the greedy in-laws/husband after takig possession of the property grabs it and throws her out. Who will support her ? Parents, brothers ? Why should they when she has taken their property away and given to somebody else ? Why should there be the age old traditions like "seedha" and "bhaat" ? Moreover, the girls will be double lucky inasmuch as they will have the right over her parental and husband's property. Enforcement of this right will create several social problems and the present "bhai-bhai ka jhagda" will add a new dimension to it"bhai-bahan-bhai ka jhagda".
 
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My Two Cents (Paisa) on the topic!

Ajay,
I read your thread before and had been keeping track of the replies and didn't wanted to interfere as land had been the most volatile topic amongst jats and jat male members easily take offence to someone entering their domain (bhai-bahi) leave alone behanae claiming their stake. This will lead to further khoon kharaba. On this point, I am afraid this will lead to further chaos on asserting anything from our side. I have travelled and stayed in sourthern region also (Kerala, AP, Karnataka) and have observed their patterns of land inheritence and nowhere I have seen a grave situation like our where the land comes in between the love of bhai bhai or bhai behan. Please read my comments in my other thread where I described how girls have an equal seat as their brothers in inheriting land and I closely mingled and question several of agricultural andhrite families on the sensitivity of the females acquiring the land or how are male members reacting to it. They were surprised at my surprise and to them it is a norm, although they have other tricks to keep the land in the family by marrying the girl in close ties but in general I have seen the girls in their society enjoying an equal status.
If you seek my personal views, I belong to a family where we are all girls and there is no male heir to my ancestral and parental property but still we have seen such messups in the family in such a gravity that we have willingly told our father either to sell it off (once again a problem as my chachas take it for granted that after my father, the land will automatically come to their sons, which in any case is true because none of us sisters have a mentalmake up to deal with that kind of violence and politics...we would rather earn our own money and live at peace and take care of our families) or give it during his life time to my chachas and cousins (we sisters are unanimous at it, not out of love for them but to get spared from this violence and bloody fights that we have been seeing all throughout. Though it is an ancestral land, it is upto my father to decide what he wants to do out of it....we are clear we don't want an inch. The only thing we suggested is to donate the land to school or charitable trust to make full use of it but again the interference of my chachas and cousins will undoubtedly will be overbearing.)
Again, you all always had the right to decide about the lands, the jagirs, the inheritence etc etc since ages....but here we are still stuck up in the fights of basic rights such as female foetal deaths (first let them live), basic education, fighting against dowry harrassment and deaths, hypocracy of the educated ones who even after being educated behave like gootha chaap and others of us who are ignorant lot have mingled in the way of stagnant and ills of backward traditions that they don't even know the word "enlightenment"......"The enlightenment of knowledge to judge the right and wrong and make a just statement and do the right deed."

Thanks and Regards,
Suman
 
May I Say Somthing?

Worthy members,

This is one problem which has caused lots of bitterness in our villages. I am not taking any position here as to what is right out of the two options? If we go by law and equal right for women,then right is right and any crib about it will find no takers and hence when a daughter has a lawful right then whatever she does with that piece of land is not debatable. there is however a social side to it,which is of quite a significance because there lies a danger of bitterness in the hearts of pure relationships ie brother-sister, father-daughter and mother-daughter. Respectful and affactionate existance of any honourable society invariably depends on the later than the formar and truth lies there. When sweetness goes, nothing remains worth possessing. Here problem is not of those people who earn well and can take their right on property lightly but of those whose survival is dependent on a piece of land and hence bloody fights if any will be spoted there only. My all sisters have prefered it to be left with us [brothers] inspite of our insistance that they must own it[ and that option will remain open till we survive]. Here i would like to submit that even if they had taken their rightful land, our excellent relations since our childhood would not have affected a bit and have not changed a bit by their choice of living their part of land with us. It's thus a complex problem. I feel that when law of the land entitles them the equal share, why should a question be asked about it? but if a daughter/sister does not want to take it by way of a choice then why not respect that?


Warm regards
 
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devdahiya said:
Worthy members,

This is one problem which has caused lots of bitterness in our villages. I am not taking any position here as to what is right out of the two options? If we go by law and equal right for women,then right is right and any crib about it will find no takers and hence when a daughter has a lawful right then whatever she does with that piece of land is not debatable. there is however a social side to it,which is of quite a significance because there lies a danger of bitterness in the hearts of pure relationships ie brother-sister, father-daughter and mother-daughter. Respectful and affactionate existance of any honourable society invariably depends on the later than the formar and truth lies there. When sweetness goes, nothing remains worth possessing. Here problem is not of those people who earn well and can take their right on property lightly but of those whose survival is dependent on a piece of land and hence bloody fights if any will be spoted there only. My all sisters have prefered it to be left with us [brothers] inspite of our insistance that they must own it[ and that option will remain open till we survive]. Here i would like to submit that even if they had taken their rightful land, our excellent relations since our childhood would not have affected a bit and have not changed a bit by their choice of living their part of land with us. It's thus a complex problem. I feel that when law of the land entitles them the equal share, why should a question be asked about it? but if a daughter/sister does not want to take it by way of a choice then why not respect that?


Warm regards
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Dahiya Saahab,

I do agree with you. Sister's should have their rights in the property and it should be debated.
People here are discussing about what will happen when the sisters take their share and what they will do, when thrown out from their in-laws house? or how can a brother be sincere to his sister, when she take her share?
It should be strongly debated, only on one point: what happens when brothers take the whole share of the property and shows insincerity to their whole family (take it sisters or parents as well).
As, many of us must have seen this in our real life, when brothers say:
1. ..............main 'bhaat' ya 'seedha' nahin doonga.
2. ..............behan mere 'ghar' mein nahin aani chahiye (even when sister is concerned for her brothers and she is nowhere guilty).
3. ..............'maa' ya 'baap' ko 'chhota' ya 'bada' bhaai rakhega (when parents have given equal rights to their all sons, they should have the right to decide it on their own) (and here comes the 'sisters' to the rescue of their parents and that also without a 'hissa').
One more point to ponder........
What happens when a 'chacha' or 'tau' forcibly takes more share than other's? Is 'he' loyal? It is much better to give the share to our sister than to let our 'elders' enjoy it for free.

I have seen 'sisters' handling their parents, even when borther/s is/are alive and enjoying a good life.

If sisters don't have the right in ancestral property then 'those' brothers should also be forced to leave their rights on the share, who does not perform their 'duties' in the right ernst or are not good to their sisters, without any fault of the sisters.

Many parents are in the courts, against their sons. Why are they there? Is this their fault, that they have given equal rights to their 'sons' only and moreover, if the sisters could also have the right, then they must have given a much better life than many of us, to their parents (don't take it personally, as this is for those, not performing their duties or not loyal to their parents or sisters and I feel that, there are many of these).

Regarding the 'ijjat', one could give to his sister after giving share in the property, it solely depends on the individual and that giving our 'love' depends on 'land' sharing is totally baseless for me.

I am not against/with the sisters right to property but these points should be considered and let their be a LAW, governing the brothers/sons duty also.

I wanted to say much more regarding this, but better next time.......!!!

Thanks to all pondering here and the debate is going very well. I may be wrong on some fronts but lets take it forward.

Dear Jatlanders, this is just for a debate and my personal views (please don't take it seriously).

Thanks,

Shailendra Tokas

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